As a guy who owns probably 1-2k in Packout plus another 4 or so in Milwaukee tools, I have to say, toughbuilt has some of the BEST designed and fair priced tool items in the business. Their 16” tote was what got me started. I still use their journeyman electrician bag as a metering bag and I’m blown away how well their stuff works for the price. If I wasn’t in Packout so heavy I would look into toughbuilt.
The fact they responded this quicky and are addressing it as soon as possible shows theyre committed and actually are listening. I dont own any box solution and Im neckdeep in Makita XGT but their Makpack boxes SUCK. Ill wait for the updated rollout, and go Toughbuilt.
I agree (about toughbuilt) and don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the brand. Great hand tools. But... I'm just baffled with how they either let it slip their mind about the half boxes or that they released it knowing. They should've waited just a bit longer. But I assume they probably really wanted to get it out before the holidays. An adapter (unless they nail it) just sounds like extra work and more parts that aren't needed. In the long term I really hope they can solve it without changing the entire thing because I'd hate to see them pull a DeWalt where they have an old system and a new system.
@@TheChipiboy They probably know that the half box needs redesign, but thought about the adapter alternative and allowed the go to market with old and future half boxes.
The fact that they listen and put forth changes says a lot! I have many TB products, love them all, I also have a lot of Milwaukee power tools so I went straight to the Packout for this setup, I didn’t realize TB made their own version wish I did, would’ve picked that first. TB is awesome definitely keeping my eyes out on them more.
I want thay radio, but I can't seem to find the real estate for it on a stack. I am able to get to a single stack for day to day mobile, but it's too tall already. But nice sound system
TB is American designed* just like many other brands such as Milwaukee, Dewalt, Klein and Flex. Stacktech and most other toughbuilt products are made in China.
The biggest flaw is that you can't open a box that has something on top of it. Not even a toolbox with an organizer on top. This greatly effects storage capabilities.
You can. Release the lock, tilt the stack above it, open the latch, then drop the stack back on it. I actually prefer this, I've forgotten to lock my packout a few times.
I think Tough System or Systainers have the best access of any Modular box. DS Carrier, Tough System wall/van rack, SYS-AZ, and MW1000 allow you to pick any box regardless of position in a “stack”.
@@user-pt7zg3ym8m First thoughts are Van fitouts -can access from both inside the vehicle and outside from the slide door depending on setup. Also work bench on one side with drawers on the other. A few scenarios i can picture in my head where it would help
They do look better. The side rail is nice too. Good to see tough built getting into this realm because their other stuff is great. Unfortunately i just dripped money on packout so i wont be getting any of these but theyre nice
Just stack it different the Milwaukee stuff is junk compared to it. So glad this car out sold my Milwaukee stuff in Craigslist. Broke lots of parts on them over a few years.
They can remove those tapered edges on both sides of the half boxes and don’t need any adapter plate. Since the stacktech is only gets clicked into the groves by the front and back of the box and not the sides.
The big flaw is that almost all manufacturers have not made them so you can work out of them 😂. You still have closed boxes stacked together with tools inside. You have to unstack all of them and set up your tools somewhere else. Hello , get it? The Rigid ones I've used for 10+ years are easy to stack, and then I just use a portable Toughbuilt table to set up my tools. If another company designs them to work out of, I may consider them and sell my Rigid boxes. I have the 1st gen Rigid. I like the rolling box better without the disconnect feature..
I still haven't seen a single toughness test and every review on here the toughy boxes are completely un-used. The same price as packout, only available at Lowes, numerous design flaws.
TOUGHBUILT STACKTECH connecting mechanism… problem solved? The new stack tech boxes connect faster and arguably easier than Packout boxes. But they currently have ONE BIG flaw- a full size box can’t attach to the top of two half boxes! I just got word from someone at toughbuilt that the design team has listened to the community and will be releasing a solution to adapt your current half boxes and next summer the half boxes will have a different lid design. I’m happy to hear how fast toughbuilt is listening and adapting to what the consumers want! What do you think?
Toughbuilt addressed this issue on another youtube channel. They said there's one that allows you to connect a full box at the top and that will come out soon. My guess is that it could possibly be the full length compact tool organizer.
Seeing how they actually respond to feedback, maybe it's worth complaining about how easily tools pop out of their electricians tool pouches. So many times have I reached to get something from my tool pouch and it's gone, and I suddenly understand the significance of the clang of something falling to the ground that I hadn't paid attention to 10 minutes earlier!
Toughbuilt could make tougher boxes structure by designing stronger walls and or material vs just doing thicker walls, most of their products are bulkier by comparison to other competitors.
The Packout boxes are just as easy and fast to stack. Te Packout is a true, one handed release though, but StackTach you need to either use 2 hands or touch the box two times to remove it from the stack. Every Packout release is by the handle. Every StackTech release is not by a handle.
I could have found all these issues and more had i been invited to the focus groups. Anyone who's baled hay knows the value and benefit of being *able to* 'tie off' the top of the stack with a single bale.
I’m not sure how you commit on oversight on a product attempting to compete with an existing product that already considered and solved said oversight.
I hope they will redesign their 1/2 organizers. The latch is weak and easy to accidentally unlock. And the handle should not extend beyond the existing stack form. Because when the stack tips and falls over that handle will take the full weight of the fall and be destroyed and the contents of that case will be all over because they picked a easy open latch and not a rugged to handle falls and abuse without opening. They are off to a good start but they need to tweak a few things to be on par with the red barron.
Ya ever seen that episode of south park where theyre telling butters simpsons did it 😢 well it goes good for this, milwaukee did it, milwaukee did it, milwaukee did it 😅
Responded with a flaw instead of re-designing the entire box is proof that they view their company as lesser than Milwaukee or Dewalt. Just invest in the r and d of Milwaukee or Dewalt. Buy the better product. Stop defending garbage. Unless they pay you
The design team was probably aware of it when they made it in the first place. This isn't some let's wait on the customers to tell us what's wrong. They knowingly had a bad design and didn't fix it until it hit the stores first
It just makes sense to me as well, the smaller boxes are going to be lighter than the large boxes, plus they need to be unstacked to open them up. The only full size box I would even think about putting on two half size boxes would be the full size parts organizer.
@@miles13242 How about wanting to put full-size anything on to Ammo cans? You can't defend those design deficiencies by saying they responded fast. Ridiculous!
@user-pt7zg3ym8m if you're going to put 2 ammo cans next to each other, there is no reason to not just get a full size box and use a divider in it, one less box to deal with and more space inside then 2 ammo cans with an air gap and at least 4 inches of wall between them.
Don't have packout stuff but if they're making an adapter it's just another way to get you to spend more money why an adapter? I get it's easier to create an adapter but would be much more convinient for consumers to just get the box design changed instead of coming back to a supplier 3 times to buy an adaptor plate
@@JakeWeihe it is considering the cost already ..they are only 10 bucks difference from pack out … you shouldn’t have to buy a plate to fix a fumble … but sheep will be sheep
That’s dumb how did you release with that basic flaw. I get it but that’s modular system 101. Cutting corners to meet deadlines. Must of sucked for that one person pushing for the fix. Been there.
IMO half boxes should be on top anyway. What if you have a half box and the open tote? Can’t stack on top of that anyway. Or just a single half box? Still can’t stack over it. This seems like a petty complaint
What if i have two half boxes with very heavy items and some fulls with very light but bulky items? What if i use a full size box way more often than two halfs? There are also tools like vacuums that are halfs but have packout on top, not just the base. Why can't i stack a vacuum and a half tool box or a few half organizers with a full on top? I think you're only considering your usage. Clearly, it's an issue for several owners since the brand is taking steps to fix it. Having to back track and create a solution, means there was initially a problem or flaw.
I'm deep into packout and really like toughbuilt products but these new toolboxes are a bit too close to the mark but too far off for me to consider. No disrespect to toughbuilt though, I'm sure if they will be extremely comparable if they can iron out the issues fast. Toughbuilt makes extremely nice products in my experience, I think they are going to be a big seller soon. I love my 1000lbs capacity tables so much that I own multiple of them
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Because weight and what is used most is a factor. I have several half organizers i use as tool boxes and are heavy and used way less than some full size organizer i keep on top. Another spot is my vacuums. I have two packout vacuums and i keep a tool box on top that i only pop the lid on and rarely pull out the truck. If I'm rolling in, on the roll out, i just want to stack and bounce to the truck. I don't want limits on which i have to put on top and blah blah blah.
If i bought this system and got to stacking and found this out, I'd definitely consider it a flaw in design. Come to think of it, i simply expected this to be the case when i got into packout. I legit didn't look to see if they were designed that way. I expected it. Seems natural & obvious.
@@djaa7 just stack the other box under it ? So many other things need to be worried about and made over that i wouldn’t want smaller boxes in the middle anyway i can’t see in any situation where i would stack it that way
@@OCReventsAndbuilds i use half organizers as both organizers for parts & as tool boxes for "kits." If i have a small heavy box i use rarely, and a larger box i use often, why wouldn't i put the larger box on top? You really couldn't imagine that scenario happening? How about just getting things together after a long day and wanting to stack and leave and not having to worry about the order of boxes. Just stack as it's closed up and who cares if some large boxes end up on top of smaller ones on the way to the truck. How about my two packout vacuums? I use those rarely. So i have them on the bottom and a full size box on top that i use a lot and doesn't weigh much. So i can easily move it to the side if i need a vacuum or both. Otherwise, I'd have to move both vacuums like 15 times a day, to get into that tool box and it would sit lower instead of comfortable standing height.
Ill still buy them shit the mikwaukee crate wont allow you to stack the ammo boxes on top they dont click.correctly and will fall off if you put them on top so every1 makes a booboo even the great TTI "chinese company" who owns milwaukee lol
What the hell is this stupid trend of all these companies trying to out stack each other, this is ridiculous. There is no way I would purchase any of these type of “systems”
It's really personal preference based on how a person likes to organize. Maybe they have something that doesn't take up an entire box but rarely use it and just want to keep it on the bottom. Or MAYBE toughbuilt plans on releasing power tools in the future and makes something like the packout vacuum or maybe just certain power tools like a basic vacuum and light or something. Pretty much just whatever will add to stacktech without being a full fledged lineup
@@meme5887 I totally agree with you that it is preference how someone organises there own stackable toolbox. In my experience owning stackable boxes and lugging it around on jobs each day. I fell like the structure is compromised when you position two of the smaller boxer anywhere apart from the top even if it has adapters because it makes the other boxes less secure and rigid. I would like to hear other peoples thoughts
@@stevengrimshaw1981 o I see where you're coming from then. Well as long as someone doesn't have their boxes above the half boxes packed really heavy to where you need to really lean in to get it tipped, should be less of an issue. Like a detailer (towels and other fabric stuff, spray bottles, etc) wouldn't really need to worry, for example.
@@stevengrimshaw1981i keep halfs underneath all the time in my truck. I use organizers as tool boxes. I have a "kit" box for every job type or tool type. (I'm a plumber.) I have some half boxes with tools and parts that are heavy and rarely needed. I have several full boxes i use a lot. So i keep heavy stuff low and high use or light weight on top. I mounted plates to the truck floor and my entire truck is organized in kit boxes. I have a soldering kit. A pex kit. A pro press kit, drills kit, masonry kit, meters & gages kit etc. I also use a color system for organizer boxes i use as tool boxes that helps me id what a box is instantly. So i know i painted box is tools and a clear lid box is parts. Each tool kit gets a color. So i can send any new guy to grab the yellow box cause I'm doing soldering or get me the gold top cause i have my high torque impact wrench and special sockets to open clean out caps. Etc.
The Lid of the toughbuilt seems Like a one up I kind of don’t like the Ridgid Box’s Convex lid. I feel like having a Concave lid, you could throw your pencils and squares and shit on it like a lunch tray and go up a flight of stairs no problem
