Toyota GT86 TRD v Mazda MX-5 BBR Turbo | evo TRACK BATTLES 

Good to see someone reviewing performance cars who can drive! :)

Meh.. As much as I want the MX5 to win, it wasn't fair... Why not do stock MSMX5 vs stock TRD86??

It's good to see the Miata getting the respect it deserves lol

Only 2 seconds difference on lap time, but almost a 100HP difference. Let BBR have a go at a stock GT86 and then we will have apples to apples instead of what you have done with this article!

Now try this against a boosted GT86.

Stupid comparison really with these two specific cars one being a third party tuner. One has just TRD's stuff thrown on some aero, exhaust, wheels + tires and prob air intake where the Miata has a turbo kitted with wheels and tires. Anyone could have guessed that the Miata would win.

Agree with others...this is really stupid and pointless comparison. A third party tuner edition with a turbo and massive horsepower gains vs. a factory tuner kit with no engine mods. Not exactly the same thing and pretty pointless.

I like both... this Toyota looks better than the standard version

Hope you guys can include tire sizes on each car next time? Thx for the video

I've been a huge fan of EVO for years, and it is tough for me to watch EVO consistently and repeatedly lash the GT86 for the lack of power/torque for its price. I live in Canada, where the equivalent Scion FR-S is $2000 cheaper than the most basic Mazda MX-5, with the FR-S having a solid 30+hp and 10 more lb-ft of torque than than MX-5. I have never heard EVO complain about the MX-5's lack of power or torque, so why is it an issue with the FR-S/GT86? Is it just to do with the price? And why does it always seem that they have track battles of these cars; I thought EVO's motto was "the thrill of driving", not "the thrill of the fastest lap time"? Also - as many have pointed out (ignoring the price discussion), this is a battle between a (basically) stock NA car vs. a turbo charged car that has been on the market for almost 10 years. Just for the record I used to be a MX-5 owner and now own the GT86 and love both cars so I would like to think that I am not completely biased =)

It would be interesting to see the 86 vs the ND 4th gen MX-5, and turbo them both to see how they go (this vid shows a 3rd gen MX-5). At stock the ND MX-5 is faster than the 86 so I assume with both up-spec'd it'd probably stay similar, but it would be cool to see what these new gen coupes can do with a bit of minor work on power, tyres, suspension etc. Would love to own either.

great fun cars, both of them but if you could put Honda S2000 into the mix you could see where your money should go to :D

Cool video, though I must admit that I expected more than 2 seconds of a difference. Should that be a tribute to the GT with proper tires, of rather a less than ideal tuning of the Mazda (which should not be the case) - or is there a 3rd option?

People always gotta criticize... I enjoyed the video. Thanks.

What's about the TRD brakes? In Germany you can opt the gt-86 with a 10.000 € TRD brake. Is this option also on this car?

whats that whistling exthaus sound from tobaru?

How are people saying this isn't a good comparison? The cars are both RWD, and similarly priced! I know which I'd rather have for the money (mx5) and that's coming from a 86 fan.

Should of been the Litchfeild supercharged BRZ vs this BBR turbo MX-5. I think that would of been a more competitive comparison, similar power output and price.

What's with the weird high pitched turbo noise from the GT86 on the drive-by shots?

What does the trd do to the gt86

Is this at Silverstone? The Stowe Circuit?

Thanks! Really great review. Ignore the naysayers... these cars are similar money and they're new, and to car buyers like myself two contenders. I'm a huge fan of both cars. And both are hugely upgradeable and tunable. I think they're both winners.

Cant wait to buy a GT86/FRS/BRZ in 5-10 years when they are under 10k lmao.

I'm curious about stock fighting of these two

It seems that a lot of people are missing the main basis of the comparison : Price. It isn't a pointless comparison at all because it is equal on terms of price. In terms of power? Hell no it isn't fair but that isn't what they're looking at here. They are comparing two cars with similar prices that do compete for the same buyer.

Are there bolt on turbo or supercharger kits available for the GT86/BRZ cars yet? Whipple should definitely make a supercharger kit for them, that'd be a perfect upgrade for those cars. (I always forget what the name of the Hyundai version is called...FRS¿...though I feel it's the nicest looking of the three)

Does anyone know why the toyota gt86 scion frs and subaru brz are all built and look the same

What's that watch? Looks a bit like a Heuer Autavia?

so the comparison here is mainly on the price and not the upgrades put into the car?

Is there really a difference between the Toyota GT86; Scion FR-S; and the Subraru BRZ

Would love to see a supercharged gt86 vs turbo miata. I think gt86 is best raw driving experience while still being somewhat practical vs Miata

Try the 270hp fenspeed turbo gt86 for about £K35

I wish we had the TRD as a package here in the states :P

the gt 86 is meant for owners to tweak and modify. why get a 86 when youre gonna drive it stock

In the states TRD makes a supercharger for there iforce V8 that makes 550hp. I was hoping they would have somthing like it for the 86 buy now.

I used to own an original MX5 BBR and upped the boost to 9 psi on stock internals, added bigger injectors and an Apexi NEO fuel management unit. Was totally reliable for the 5 years I owned it and sold it to a local racer who reckons it was pushing 200BHP + totally bullet proof car and those engines love to be turboed as I beleive they were derived from the old 323 turbo rally car.

In USA alot of 86 frs and brz are for sale. Young drivers can't learn stick but get a license at 15, get suspended license/tickets or crash and often have rebuilt titles as a result. So many for sale I avoid like the plague. Finding a clean title or unmodified sample will be very difficult.

Those timed laps didn't seem too tidy, but great video nonetheless.

na 4 cyl vs turbo 4 cyl? Why not a crawford turbo kit on the gt86?

Honestly, you guys have some of the best camera work I've ever seen in your reviews.

Imaging how much quicker the MX-5 would be with properly sorted suspension to dial out the oversteer.

Rims on the Mazda look sweet 😍

I hate that TRD doesn't mean anything performance related anymore. Fancy seat covers, fog lights, functionless wings, stickers, etc are not Racing Development, Toyota.

Try the Lichtfield edition of the gt86!!!

Why compare laps of a stock 86 vs a turbocharged Miata with more power that also weighs less?

Why is there so much over steer?

This man can drive for sure lol! BEAST!

Not a fair comparison. The miata was fully worked and turbo'd.

Similar price.. plus thats tire noise is the tyres, not turbo

What's he on about they do a turned version of the GT86, it cost 8 grand extra I believe & it had 250 bhp 0-62 in .5.5 & did a 170 mph yes please

I hope everyone realises the UK TRD is nothing more than a body kit and some other tart parts, plus a nice exhaust. For the same money you could buy so many more TRD parts for a non-TRD-edition GT86...and focus on stuff that will affect performance like carbon upper strut brace and under brace set.

I expected the lap time gap to be larger.

Iconic really, Only the Miata has earned that status given its been kicking ass since 89. the gt86/frs/brz are new and have not proved they can stand the test of time.

the question: can you get a bbr mx5 in the U.S? L:/

Hey Mazda, you should really be paying attention to this video. This is proper Zoom Zoom!

nice skills

Hopefully people understand when you start adding more power to the 86 you need to spend more money on all the other parts of the car to bring it back into balance. Just buy the base model, enjoy it for what it is, and you'll be laughing at the end of the day and saving all this money on tires, fuel, and maintenance. The money people spend on tuning their 86 is crazy! They could have bought an STI or V8.

Imagine the spit on the steering wheels after this guy reviews em

It's just too bad that Honda S2000 is no longer available. That would have easily be the best of the 3. Mazda MX5 is just a bit dated, and the loose rear end. Just don't seems to be as well developed car as compared to the 86. Given HKS Supercharger kit or Greddy/Trust Turbo kit? I think we would have a clear winner between the two.

17" rims, 18" rims...are they 3-piece wheels then?

also considering the MX5 has been tuned, thats not a bad time for a stock brz/86 with new tires

What about a TRD 86 with a tubocharger bolted on with about 300hp

Given that this race track had such a long straight, it is obvious where the Mazda pulled the 2 second advantage. If it were a consistently twisty track we possibly would have seen even times or even the chance of the Toyota taking the win.

What a hell of a comparison is this Meaden? You should compare apples with apples. Give a call to Litchfield and compare with their GT (so just to stay in UK).

I Guess this would be better to og up against fensports GT86 the street Version black one...

id take the mazda ANYday of the the gt86... what an awesome package BBR have put together their!! That would suprise afew car on the street!! very cool!

This comparo is a joke right? They went and essentially got a dealership souped up GT86 and compared it with a NON-OEM aftermarket tuned car.

This is a fair comparison on price. Sure the 86 might be better if you get a similar power to the Miata. But how much is that going to cost? And how much would it cost if you want to give the 86 some proper power (say 500bhp) which may require an engine swap and/or new gearbox, brakes (unless I'm very much mistaken). You're probably talking 20 grands worth of upgrades, easy. Then the 86 is on a par with a BMW M2, Porsche 718, Audi TT RS. Would the 86 be able to take on those cars with 500hp? The point goes back to what the reviewer said. Stock, the 86 is a little on the expensive side. Even though I love it to bits, I have to agree.

Britian, you really have the short end of the stick with the GT86. In Canada, the list is right around 25,000 CAD. And I could select the wheels and tyres for easily for 2000. You should be disappointed that you can't get such a great car for a reasonable price, as you all are. Also, evo really bashes on the engine, but I don't think it's bad at all. It's a rev-machine, and although I haven't driven McLarens and Mercedes AMGs and all that, I think it's a fantastic, enthusiastic engine. And honestly, you don't need to me sideways all the time to enjoy rear-wheel drive.

Test should have been brz Litchfield vs mx5 bbr

Interesting review to watch...of course it was a forgone conclusion that a more powerful and lighter sports car with otherwise about equal handling capability would be the faster one. It would be far more interesting to see this redone but for the GT86 using the TRD Griffon... which still has a normally aspirated factory FA20 motor with a little bump in HP but in an extremely stripped down and focused track day car (to the tune of 600lbs weight reduction.) Review would be just as relevant as the original (not that much relevant between the two cars) but way more entertaining... The BBR Turbo miata would still have a 40+hp advantage, but It would be many seconds slower due to having a sizeable weight and suspension/traction disadvantage...(which is where the entertaining part comes in - how many more seconds slower?) I wouldn't mind having a miata one bit if I could properly fit in one. Car enthusiasts are lucky to have two nice low cost sports cars available to choose from (stock), you really can't go wrong with either. I went with the GT86 (FRS) over the Miata because of fit, I like coupes over convertibles, and styling.

A more valid comparison and interesting comparison would have been with the Fensport 86 that is running the AVO Turbo kit. apples to apples.

Jota Sport's throttlebodied MX5 would have been a better match. Sounds awesome too

frs is a band wagon. miatas have a spec racing class for a reason. both great cars at the base price.

I'm an EVO subscriber but I've never understood the downer they have on the Toyota. Jeremy Clarkson, Steve Sutcliffe, Chris Harris... they all love the car. Is it because EVO has too much of a focus on lap times over on-the-road enjoyment?

is that what trd quad exhaust sound like, the sound of zzzzzzzzzzzzz when gt86 drive passed by the camera in the video

FRS is under powered but it doesnt cost $43k. Its more of a looks and drifting car than a performance car. The MX-5 may be faster on the track when tuned but it doesnt make the sound or handling as the FRS. Even if you can control the MX-5 more.

I love the gt 86

Toyota/Scion needs to slap a turbo upping to 70-80 more hp along with the TRD dressings and they wouldn't be able to keep them on the lot. It would sell like beer at Hooters/Twin-Peaks!!!

perhaps nobody had ever drift on a ae86 like i have.

The MX5 is a Tuner car, the 86TRD is stock. Why didn't you get a Tuner 86? Invalid comparison!

I tried sitting in an mx5 the other day @ a car show. I fit, barely, and I cant work the clutch. I do fit much better in the BRZ. not that it matters cuz i cant buy either but its nice to dream haha

Litchfield or ideally Fensport's efforts at the GT86/BRZ would have been a better comparison to the BBR MX5

The Mazda with a 270+ HP beats a GT86 TRD with a difference of just 2 secs! C'mon guyz, If you bring the Supercharged 86, it'll be better performing than the Miata...

A pointless comparison... why compare a factory N/A car with an aftermarket modified turbo charged car? Compare a factory car with a factory car, or an aftermarket tuned car with an aftermarket tuned car, but don't nonsensically mix and match the two.

wait until they test a 270-320hp gt86,

An HKS Gt86 270 hp will smoke that mx5.... And for the same price....

how are you gonna compare a modified car vs a factory car? get a factory miata and redo the comparison and lets see the results then. but great video on how just rims and tires on a GT86 can make that big of a difference

he is comparing with a modified turbo charge Mazda to a TRD 86!

the gt86 looks like its on stilts with those 18" rims. there is way to much body roll as well.

Boosted MX5 vs TRD...Stock 86.. and the 86 was only about 2 sec slower..HMM I wonder how a Boosted 86 would've done.. :)

Toyota ricing developments

Trying to make a fast lap with the gt86 kinda beats the purpose of the car. It is only meant go be incredibly fun, but the performances are not its goal..

So now do a vid with a turbo gt86 vs the turbo mx5 .... dumbasses

I'll stick with a £25k GT86 and save myself the £8k in tuning thank you very much

I love miatas but if you buy one new, you've made a HUGE mistake. You can buy a mint used one, maybe just a couple years old, for like half the price. Or you can just buy an na or nb for like 5k and spend the rest on upgrades

I think Im one of few that is a JDM fan but just totally dislikes the FRS/BRZ/GT86.

A lighter tuner car with more power is always going to win on a stock heavier car. Try an 86 without the TRD crap and just a simple turbo/supercharger against the BBR. Similar money then....

The mx5 did a better time while being sideways all the time. :))

this is bs and so not fair, and the frs STILL imo woops the miatas ass because this... -FRS mods wheels -Miata mods wheels turbo exhaust dampers springs WAY more hp and still only wins by about 2 seconds lol