Toyota Issues TSB for Supra Oil Consumption? - B58 Common Issues

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Let's talk about Oil consumption in the late model B58 vehicles
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@toybm 2 года назад

Engines consuming Oil or Coolant is NOT normal. Not sure why people are trying to justify this.

@sly9263 Год назад

because they're stupid and or used to having shit cars

@defm0de 9 месяцев назад

Normal for BMW engines lol

@torentmonkey 2 месяца назад

Let me explain. Emission driven low friction/tension piston rings lead to this. Wont break, will eat oil. The piston simply does not scrape the oil on the cyl walls due to emission regulations and lead to increased oil consumption. My 300k km m50 engine eats next to nothing doing 25 psi , was doing this before with stock internals and also with rebuilt forged internals. B48 and 58s I had on my hands consume oil BUT, only if you get them hot. In 6000km it ate one liter but autobahn and track usage with 0w30.

@Branflakes1234 2 года назад

Appreciate you validating this issue. I see a lot of mixed opinions on the forums. I've been tracking my oil consumption for almost a year and it showed barely any change from 0w-20 to 5w-30. Hopefully Toyota or BMW will release a real TSB soon

@dom10k 2 месяца назад

What’s a tsb ?

@kern417 2 месяца назад

@dom10k technical service bulletin. Basically an update from the OEM to help techs understand and diagnose an issue.

@technopro-kz4xv 2 года назад

My car is a 440i gran coupe 2017 ZF8HP with only 50.000kms on the clock, MHD stage 1 and Xhp flash stage 2… my B58 has no oil consumption at all between oil changes. My intervals for oil changes is 10.000Kms with liqui Moly 5W-30. Greetings from Spain 🇪🇸 Really happy with my car 😉👌

@pawelludew291 3 месяца назад

0w20 to b58?! Seriously?! It needs 5w40 high performance oil not a piss

@pawelludew291 3 месяца назад

0w40 might be good as well

@JXiong-zo8ig 2 месяца назад

Yes 0W20 is trash 0W40 or 5W40 is best

@TheSupraRegistry 2 года назад

YESSSS I lemon lawed the A91 Refraction blue because of this crap. Had cylinder scoring. You are dead on. I got ripped on the forums over this. But it shouldn't burn like that. And yes 5w30 seems to fix it.

@peterharris7862 Месяц назад

Could bad PCV cause oil consumption my B58 burns 1l every 1500 miles

@armandomunoz2958 2 года назад

A 2021 Supra came in with the same oil consumption issue. Found out the piston ring gaps weren’t at the correct spec causing oil consumption. Newer pistons with rings at the correct gap solved the issue.

@whiskeytangohotel6624 2 года назад

Covered by warranty?

@armandomunoz2958 2 года назад

@@whiskeytangohotel6624 Correct

@kern417 2 года назад

it almost always ends up being ring gap in any platform i've monitored. it was the same issue with VW/Audi engines in the late 2000s.

@mr.m2137 2 года назад

How bad is it for the engine if you keep driving it with this issue? Just topping off every time.

@kern417 2 года назад

It really just depends. If it's consumed due to ring up and usually it just gets worse and worse. The same way you want to use a catch can to filter out oil from going into your intake, you don't want excess oil blowing past the piston rings because it can hinder performance. Basically the car can manage it but you won't be 100%.

@illestpeenoy 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing this issue!! This gives me flashbacks of when I owned an Audi A5 that had really bad oil consumption (they had a class action lawsuit for theirs). Thankfully I’m not dealing with it as of now with my 2018 240i.

@kern417 2 года назад

yep, if people came from VAG FSI days they'd know how this rodeo goes. Just because they're ignoring it now doesn't mean it won't be addressed later.

@skylineOwnZall 2 года назад

You have a gen 1 b58, which doesn't have this problem.

@TurkeyWilliams 2 года назад

I own a 2021 Supra and fortunately it doesn’t appear that my car has this issue. I’ve had the add quart message appear after 5k miles and 3k miles, i just topped it off. But I do have the problem where my car is not able to measure the oil. I will start the process and it will continually fail at 16%. Getting rid of a dipstick is perhaps the dumbest thing ever.

@Giulioflorio Год назад

If you put too much oil the car give you an alarm? And if you need to remove the eccessive oil how you Do It 😂 no dipstick its a prank from Toyota😅

@TheLPCGAMING 2 года назад

My ‘19 X3 M40i is driven aggressively with MHD stage 1 and I have had 0 issues, 50k miles. My old N55 was a quart down routinely before oil change interval.

@thatarabicguy487 Год назад

Great video. Keep it going. I have a 2021 M340i. Going on to the 3rd year of ownership. Oil change done at the prescribed mileage of about 13k. Since my last oil change, which was about 2000km ago, I received my first minder to top up the oil by a quart. So did the top up. Dealer told me it’s quite normal for it to burn that much oil. Let’s see if the problem persists.

@kern417 Год назад

as i like to say typical? yes. normal? no. but yes, keep an eye on it. hopefully it's just a fluke.

@mike9588 10 месяцев назад

13K KM right?

@dragosalexandrup 8 месяцев назад

Literally same on 540i in 2000km, 0.3l of oil burned. Did you find anything wrong with it in the meantime?

@m3forty780 6 месяцев назад

I also have a 2021 m340i. Have to add 1 to 2 quarts in between services of 15,000 KMs. The investigative track I’m on right now is following the start of a whirring sound from the engine at about 57,000 KMs. I’ve been monitoring oil pressure and notice once the oil is at operating temp, I’m seeing oil pressure hit 100-110 psi which I don’t think is normal. Would have assumed it would be under 80. This high psi could explain oil consumption I’m seeing coupled with the 0W20 oil used.

@chrisjames2079 2 года назад

I have a 21’ m340i. At 5k I did an oil change then did a road trip in mid September from nyc down to key west, after I was in key west a few days the check oil light came on, it took about a half quart of liqui moli 6600 0w-20, on the drive back no more oil level issues and I changed the oil at about 3k using the same liqui moli blend. As of today I have about 15k and never have any engine oil consumption issues, but I stayed doing the 5k oil changes. I don’t believe in the 10k claims

@drenizeqiri Год назад

105000 miles, 170.000 km and no oil consumption at all. Very happy about that

@kern417 Год назад

Awesome enjoy it

@abbike 2 года назад

Love your videos...but not all X3s with the B58 are soccer parent cars used for slow driving. The X3 M40i with the B58 is pretty fast for a family hauler and can be driven pretty aggressively!

@kern417 2 года назад

I mean I drive my X5 aggressively but that doesn't mean it was designed for it. These are commuter cars that we rip into to make them more fun.

@xxz1434 2 года назад

@@kern417 Nice! in Europe all the commuter and police vehicles are BMWs with 2.0/3.0 diesels and the hybrid 2.0s are also getting more popular, something like an X3 M40i or X3 M are not considered to be soccer mom vehicles here, even the wealthier folk go for the diesels/hybrids even if they could afford the running costs. So its interesting to see in America, something with a B58 is considered average. Most people here buy something regular and then have an M3 or something for fun or special occasions

@kern417 2 года назад

It's because the b58 is mid-tier. A lot of our cars don't even come with diesel or 4 cylinder options because they don't sell. But even in an M, the platform was designed for one purpose and then the M division beefed it up with other components. Not really a ground up design focused on performance.

@betahours9416 3 месяца назад

Unless there is an issue with the PCV system(because the lack of ported vacuum); the oil disappearing is very simple. On short driving periods where the engine is not fully heated to operating temp; fuel makes it away around the rings. When fuel sits in your oil and is heated in the crankcase it turn to steam, removing oil with it. Long story story; heat your engine to full operating temp. Thinner oils just mean less oil pressure and less heat soak. Those engines are new; with even cylinder contribution the engine should be running fairly cool……

@LichaelMewis Год назад

Any idea if the 2023 3.0 Supras are experiencing this issue?

@ambushbullies Год назад

Haven’t had any issues on mine ran mine to 9250 then changed it with GR supra oil that’s what the manual recommends

@esstee9595 2 года назад

So with no dipstick, how do you know how much oil to add? Friend of mine just told me she's going to get a full refund for her '22 Supra over this issue. Toyota wants it back.

@kern417 2 года назад

You have to measure it in idrive. If it gets to minimum on the screen then you add a quart. And if it's only halfway down then put in about half a quart.

@J0n.M Год назад

Great information. Thanks for posting this. Considering a used '21 Supra from a BMW dealership and will only Toyota dealerships have the diagnostic software to see if oil light has ever come on in the past? Can the oil light indicator be "cleared" to hide the issue?

@kern417 Год назад

Dealership level software. You can also try using bimmerlink

@ianvelarde8517 Год назад

Mine just started to consume a very small amount of oil. I probably put about 1700 and it looks like it burned about .3 of a liter. I just switched to the Liquimoly 5w-30 from an 0w-20. last oil change didn’t consume any at all 🤔

@Vosovogalsyncope Год назад

Nice video! Only reason keeping me from pulling the trigger on a M car is no oil dipstick. Like why BMW...

@AhmedElsayed-ox1db 2 года назад

Should i do the transmission service (340i zf8) at 50k miles or wait, and what’s required.. is it only the oil & oil pan or should i also replace the transmission cooler

@ff9230ff 2 года назад

Any body have the can’t check oil level? My is alway stuck at 18%

@mfeng.b58 Год назад

My 2020 m340i kept getting stuck at 17%. Took it to the dealership and they replaced the oil pump under warranty. All good now.

@ff9230ff Год назад

@@mfeng.b58 I have replaced the oil level sensor and it is still stuck, I will try the oil pump now. Unfortunately my car is tuned 🥲 dealer ship is the last resort for this problem. Thank you for ur solution 👌

@kingsolomon4392 2 года назад

great content!

@dgpgarage9291 2 года назад

There is no official TSB for Supra oil consumption, Also Toyotas industry standard allowable oil consumption is no more then 1qt in 1100-1300 miles. Anything more is considered excessive.

@etherdawg 2 года назад

Were changes made with the 2022 b58 engine to correct the oil consumption issue?

@kern417 2 года назад

I'm not sure but you don't hear as many issues after 2021. Time will tell

@TheNickCrank 2 года назад

just a heads up but that wasnt a tsb that you showed, it was a tech tip and has nothing to do with an actual tsb. you also added a larger turbo which im sure has the adverse reaction of more boost pressure which equals more blowby. turbo engines driven hard will see oil consumption and it doesnt matter who built the engine. might be beneficial to check if you have the correct oil feed and drain for the oil pressure you have to make sure the turbo isnt adding into the consumption issue.

@kern417 2 года назад

A TSB is a tech tip. All it says is to top off oil and interview the owner to relay that information to corporate so they can maintain statistics. My car has not burned any oil in almost 5 years of ownership. Again watch the video. This is an issue that primarily affects 6port TU engines. There are countless gen 1 B58s pushing 600+ HP with no excessive oil consumption. Stop making excuses for OEMs.

@TheNickCrank 2 года назад

@@kern417 yeah man youre right, i have no clue what im talking about. been a master tech at toyota for 4 years and a tech there since 2014. but if anyone wants to listen to what im saying heres a few real tips. if the vehicle returns within 1500 miles after the first top off we have to make a tas case or at least thats what our fts requires us to do. within certain mileage, code history, and driving history, you may get a goodwill or free engine rebuild after the tas case and oc test is done. 1500+ miles between top offs is normal for all manufacturers with oil specifications going thinner and thinner. thicker oil and upper induction cleaning can help with oil consumption. we can view your vehicles driving history with techstream so take that as you will.

@TV-jv4dj 2 года назад

@@TheNickCrank what State are u located?

@TV-jv4dj 2 года назад

@@TheNickCrank Any 2020 model that came in for the same issue?

@kern417 2 года назад

@@TheNickCrank I've worked in automotive for the better part of a decade. I've literally written TSBs for techs like you. But what do I know.

@panthersfan3168 2 года назад

Hey Kern how do you feel about the s58 engine? I know it’s 90% different than the b58 however I am I just curious if you would make a video talking about it or a compare/contrast, pros/cons

@kern417 2 года назад

It's a solid powerplant. I can't wait to see what it's truly capable of when OBD Flash tuning becomes more readily available and people tinker with them more.

@yeelee0927 2 года назад

My 2020 M340ix consumes oil from max to min like every 3,000km… This is really annoying as the dealer says it’s all fine, some of my friends with the same car have this issue while some don’t.

@kern417 2 года назад

Sorry to hear. It definitely should be addressed even though they claim it's normal. Some people say that going to w30 or w40 reduces the consumption

@TV-jv4dj 2 года назад

I bought 2020 used Supra for this reason. I do not like losing oil that can’t be tracked.

@meowpwr 2 года назад

I have a 6 port Supra. My first 3k miles I was definitely putting in oil more than I should. I think I added an additional 3 qts so I was burning through 1qt every 1k miles. After going with a top mount kit my tuner suggested changing the oil to 5w40 and I have gone another 2k miles now and haven’t had to top off yet.

@kern417 2 года назад

that's great news

@TV-jv4dj 2 года назад

I don’t know man. If u lose a quart per 1,000 miles, that’s something I would let Toyota to deal with. That’s just too much for me. A quart per 3,000 miles? maybe.

@meowpwr 2 года назад

@@TV-jv4dj 🤷‍♀️ everyone’s different. Oil is like gas in some sense. If u drive harder don’t u burn it faster?

@richardzarate5250 2 года назад

Kevin is there anyway you can help me get Ista + for our platform? I've been trying to get it for a while now and when I have succeeded downloading it doesn't connect, I don't mind paying for it. I need to code a new TCU after wrapping the roof.

@kern417 2 года назад

if you already have it, double check your settings to make sure it's setup properly. For F/G series, you should be using a local area enet connection. you may need to set a static IP address as well.

@cristiangutu6318 2 года назад

Im glad i got a 2017’ 540i. Im on Bm3 stage 2 e50 and never had any oil consumption. While my friends have m340’s and they all burn oil

@universalg_ 2 года назад

My friend who has a 21’ m340 put catless downpipes on his car and his car started to have issues. It started to fume a ton of crap out the exhaust, car drives slower, and burns oil. Now that he put the OEM downpipe back on the car is normal and does not burn any oil with 5w-30.

@Enthusiastlist 2 года назад

@@universalg_ it’s still burning oil the cat is just hiding it

@universalg_ 2 года назад

@@Enthusiastlist for real bro? He took his car to the dealer and his turbo was smoked with oil from what I was told. I recently swapped his intake for an mst intake and the film within the intake and turbo inlet was more wet with oil compared to my gen1 b58. He normally checks his oil with the idrive and it still has consistently stayed the same

@kern417 2 года назад

Yes, this is really a gen 2 issue.

@nchaw6 Год назад

I have a 21 Supra and I have the same issue.. Bought the car with 3,350 miles and I got the engine oil at minimum notification at 6082 mi. Now I'm sitting closer to 9K miles and I measured the oil level and it's almost back at minimum. Currently, I have a DP, JB4, and CAI installed but I'm planning on changing everything back to stock and taking it to the dealer. Should I advise them that it's the piston ring gaps? Will I be fine taking my car to the dealership after reverting back to stock? Your response will be much appreciated.. Thank you.

@kern417 Год назад

They should be able to diagnose it for you. There are a lot of potential causes

@davec5237 2 года назад

Great information, thanks for sharing 👍

@danielwilliams214 2 года назад

Someone needs to take a look at the rings. Toyota isn’t new to oil consumption issues. 2az engine had this problem and was put in a lot of things.

@kern417 2 года назад

It always ends up being piston rings on any platform I've seen experience this. Same with VW/Audi engines.

@thegeorgeman1 2 года назад

The b58 is a BMW engine so not really a fair comparison

@danielwilliams214 2 года назад

@@thegeorgeman1I’m sure Toyota had its hand in putting it together. Also if there’s an oil consumption problem it most likely the rings. Just like every other oil consumption problem

@thegeorgeman1 2 года назад

@@danielwilliams214 From what I've heard, Toyota had their hand in the engineering process of the gen 2 b58 in order to make sure it was up to their standards. However, i'm fairly certain bmw has complete control over assembling the motors along with choosing parts suppliers. Regardless, they should definitely both try and sort the issue out asap as it's not a good look.

@danielwilliams214 2 года назад

@@thegeorgeman1 the Supra is a gen2 b58. That’s where the problem is lol. Gen 1 don’t really have the problem. They disappear coolant tho lol.

@AlexLester1 2 года назад

68k miles on my 18 440 and after 6,500 miles on the oil change it’s still at max, starting to wonder if my oil level sensor is faulty I’ve never had a car burn 0 oil 😂😂

@fzr1000981 2 года назад

You haven't owned many BMWs then

@fzr1000981 2 года назад

Do these engines run a catch can? How is oil blowby managed?

@kern417 2 года назад

It is recirculated to the intake

@fzr1000981 2 года назад

@@kern417 right but that means it ends up coking the valves without a properly sized catch can - won't get washed off with DI and will cost power

@kern417 2 года назад

@@fzr1000981 the b58 doesn't really have that issue

@fzr1000981 2 года назад

@@kern417 they all do unless it has a baffled head like the Type R. How many people actually scope their intake valves for buildup? Basically none

@kern417 2 года назад

@@fzr1000981 how about everybody that has installed port injection 😂 This isn't a Type R. It's not an issue on our cars. You can check your charge pipe at 100k and it's dry. The engine has tight tolerances that limit blowby.

@gustavomota7244 Год назад

My 2016 340i also does this. We beat on it ALOT tho soo 🤷🏽‍♂️

@cynicaljohn3198 Год назад

Why bother keeping it? It's a BMW and BMW has had multiple lawsuits filed against them for oil consumption issues that they refuse to acknowledge and accept. It's not just BMW with problems, it's German cars in general along with the Volkswagen group. Did nobody learn anything from Dieselgate? You're better off just leasing a German car for a few years so you can get rid of it before a gasket blows or some electronics malfunction.

@kern417 Год назад

BMW is in the top 3 automakers for reliability currently 😬

@cynicaljohn3198 Год назад

@@kern417 Citation needed. (Hint: It's a CR and JD study based on only 12 months of ownership). You ever wonder why it isn't based on more than 12-months of ownership and how BMW jumped from #10 to #3? But that's okay. People will always try to justify spending money on a lemon that can't seem to stop eating oil every 700+ miles or needs a gasket replaced every few thousand miles because it's leaking oil.

@kern417 Год назад

@@cynicaljohn3198 my car eats 0 oil, along with millions of other cars. This is a specific issue to this MY/Generation as explained in the video 😬

@fzr1000981 2 года назад

0W-20 is a concession for fuel economy and way too thin. 5W-30 is best viscosity for street cars

@kern417 2 года назад

Lol

@fzr1000981 2 года назад

@@kern417 you don't anything about oil, I've researched this for decades and my brother works for GM Advanced Vehicle Engineering so go f yourself, sheep. What is said is EXACTLY right. BMW also specified 15W-50 in their n/a V8 and we know what a train wreck that was...

@germanengineering204 2 года назад

Hate hearing of these types of issues! B58 in my 21 M240i has no oil consumption problems so far! Knock on wood!

@jaydevries1020 2 года назад

Mine burns a quart every 4000 miles. 2021 Supra.

@kern417 2 года назад

not the worst i've heard of but definitely not ideal

@JXiong-zo8ig 2 месяца назад

5W40 or 0W40.... 0W20 is trash

@LuizPauloDT Год назад

I have just changed the oil in my 440i after 16k km. I monitor the oil level regurlaly and the level was steady in the MAX mark since day one from previous change. Seeing all the problems and hearing that is "normal" some oil comsumption, It made me a bit paranoid wondering if there could be any problem with the sensor xD. Should I consider myself lucky with a healthy car or become paranoid and find a way to measure the level somehow for peace of mind? :p

@kern417 Год назад

I haven't had any issues with mine either. It is mostly an issue with B58TU engines

@Tupeutla 2 года назад

when are we going to find a cheeseburger into you engine bay ? ... you did already Redbull can , now straw ... need to watch all the videos to play the game ...

@dapetik 2 года назад

I can't believe you buy such an expensive car and have to deal with this. None of my Toyotas burn a drop. That's unacceptable. It's a shame Toyota lowered themselves to partnering with BMW and having a oil thirsty engine in a car with a Toyota badge

@shanemitchell5807 Год назад

If the engine was designed by Toyota there wouldn't be this issue. No engine should consume that much oil. Typical German crap engineering. My i30 N doesn't consume any oil and has done 87K and I give it the beans on a regular basis.

@kern417 Год назад

😂😂😂