Trope Talk: Tragedy 

That was quick.

Woooo!

You guys work fast

Great episode, though I was hoping references to gangster narratives like Scarface and Breaking Bad

Mask ordered 😀

that movie slaps on so many levels

@@fishkittywhiskers5433 Jack Black is one of the best voice actors of our time, and not enough people acknowledge that.

The entire trilogy was a well-planned and well-crafted story

Best takes

And that's why Lord Shen's voice actor is Gary Oldman, dramatic British guy (?)

Yea!

I had to pause the video for a couple of minutes to laugh at that joke

Yesss!!!

Please

Yes

Looking like a double wide surpise

He IS the Animated Manifestation of the Brier Rabbit, soooooo

@@wiilov who is directly related to Anansi

fun fact: legally speaking, bugs bunny is canonically a former struggling rapist

@@SM-qv2om what?

i think despite that he still interpreted it as "you will die by the paws of a panda", i mean "foil your plans" is still pretty vague.

Actually that would still fulfill it. The threat of the panda foiled them

Even deciding pandas were the problem was an arbitrary decision on Shen's part. The prophecy said "a warrior of black and white". ANY black and white animal could have fit, he just decided the prophecied warrior was a panda, genocided a bunch of pandas, and pronounced his work complete, completely unaware that a panda cub, orphaned by the massacre, was being delivered to the doorstep of a kindly goose in a radish basket... Heck, some people have theorized the warrior of black and white was Shen himself, because he set in motion the events that would turn Po into the Dragon Warrior and set panda and peacock against each other, and he chose suicide over letting go of his pain.

lol it made my day

"Nicely ties it into a neat bow, much like Oedipus' family tree"

Lol yeah, my favorite quote.

I love it to get monolouged at hard and fast..... *coffs* ....Sorry. Gotta do that one. This Compulsive Clownery will be my downfall at some Point.....

She's the tragic heroine of her story. Let's just hope it turns into a Comedy

*T-shirt 👕 when?*

Red in Death of a Supervillain 50% Tragedy, 50% Parody

@@nikgokuhil 100% Sarcasm.

i can't see the joke here, but then Oedipus probably can't see it either

@@themandownstairs4765 family tress have branches, tying the branches to a bow cause incest and stuff

@@ryeryeryerye i... was making a joke about Oedipus blinding himself? I edited it to make the joke more obvious.

@@ryeryeryerye r/woosh

@@themandownstairs4765 also, he was metaphoricly blind to it before and apon his eyes being opened to it, he reacted with gauging them out.

After laughing the first three time 😂

"My cabbages!"

Avatar destroying a man's whole income. Such are the terrors of war.

Cabbage man is the most tragic in avatar. His cart is constantly destroyed

Cabbage. Cabbage never changes.

this fits a little to well

And it's still in thy kiddy pool if you put it up agairt Titus Andronicus.

While the Danish royal family are murdering each other, the Norwegian army takes their castle. A Norwegian prince delivers the last lines of the play. They lost the whole country as collateral damage.

there is an ingenious rap that summerises Hamlet, sadly in german, where they have a line translating basicly to "Hamlet danish dynamit, one dies and takes everyone along" It is great to remember most characters unusual names and is despite how funny it is, quite acurate.

Not to mention the political situation in Denmark that would've followed

@@revan552 I wholeheartedly agree.

What do you mean? It wasn’t raining...

@@rationalroundhead6739 yes it was. *Proceeds to cry

AARRGHHH Why? WHY?! I didn't need to cry today!

@@younggamer7218 oh...

@@younggamer7218 hook, Line, and sinker

What about this, (just as idea for a different kind of tragedy, one of personal perspective) the character has changed the way they live, the realize it, and feel a sense of loss over it even if no one else around them would feel that way.

@@animalia5554 that could be horrifiyingly fucking depressing if you took it in the right direction

@@s_c_u_m3172 I kind of do that personally all the time. That's WHY I brought it up. edit: This specific line of thought that I mentioned I mean.

@@animalia5554 yeah, that is something i think i know. Like... oh, is it still me? Let's just cope by lying ourselves. Wait, did not I hate lying? Well, it seems i changed once again. Oh, but... People are just weird and messed up mishmashes.

_It was at this moment that she knew her life was a tradgey. She was terrified of changing her life._

We are the victimas

Ok but 19 minutes are rookie numbers, have you Seen hboomerguy

I belive that one cannot conflait dissertation and monologing...

@@d0gbug Truer today than ever before

Ssssshhhhhh

OOP

@@theflickchick9850 Size mega.

You might say that's more of... A bowline.

More like a tree whose roots connect to the branches

Pretty sure Creon was Jocasta's brother, and his son Haemon was engaged to Antigone. You think they would have learned to mix things up a bit. That makes Haemon and Antigone about three kinds of overlapping cousins.

I had to pause the video for a second when I heard that

We are the victims

@@nerco8194 Noooooooooooo

I think that alludes to social media and cancel culture.

1. The protagonist starts out in a good position. (The son of well respected detective and well on his way to being even better then his father with his giftedness) 2. Fatal flaw (Light's narcissistic superiority complex and not being able to empathize for other human being) 3. Fatal flaw causes the reversal of fortune. (This is actually a bit hard to pin down when this happens because Light is in a constant state of highs lows victories and losses, but I'd put this moment at when he gets the Death Note and becomes Kira) 4. Things go downhill. (Basically everything after Episode 2) 5. Catharsis/Denouncement. (Light is finally outed, everyone turns against him, and then he dies) 6. Third-person omniscient perspective. (Ryukk/the Shinigami in general) 7. Shakespeare's collateral damage. (So many lives are ruined by Light's downfall but specifically his entire family is fucked over, Misa and Mikami take their lives after the fact, and the Death Note is taken away.)

I wouldn't say technically, dear... Ryuk makes it very clear that Light just plain CAN'T use the Death Note and expect a happy ending.

@@SexyBeamShooter Yeah but when they said technically they mean that it fits the requirements of a tragedy rather then it just being tragic.

@@coffeewolf5789 You're right. Excuse me, I miswrote. I edited my reply.

@@SexyBeamShooter Its good

So...Destiel?

Though anytime I see a gay friend, I'm often nervous they will be offed. The like the mentioned ticking timebomb we are all made aware of.😬😬😬😬

I actually did read it in school albeit for Drama class and not English and we acted out a few scenes, but Drama's an elective with much more freedom to teach what it wants.

@@sirensong1794 I also know it's studied on my friend's english course - though again it's an elective one we take after secondary school

I distinctly remember having to read it in one of my High School language arts classes (a mandatory course, though I was in the "honors" class).

Very true, they want kids and teens to be wildly unrealistic about the future. Ironically making things so much worse when reality rears it’s head.

I sometimes wish that Mediocraty would not be viewed with such disdain. Yeah, sure, pursue your dreams and all. But some people think if they are not the greatest at whatever they are pursuing, they are a failure.

There is G

In the US, 6 people die that way each year. 5 of them are insurance appraisers.

Refrigerator accidents?

Just ask Kyle Rayner!

@@ClericalError87 Community reference.

Very relatable

His flaw is being a fuckup in general.

Yes, that's also a favorite of mine because the cyclical nature of the story and Hades and Persephone's development make it a tragedy that still looks forward and always sees hope on the horizon. That's the bittersweetness I crave.

Alright, what's the character trait that does Han in in ESB? I suppose it's his highly impulsive attitude considering he takes the first chance he gets to get while the going is still in fact good, even when waiting it out might not be the worst idea and in fact would be helpful.

@@red5t653 I think it’s his newfound sense of morality. If he’d gone straight to Tattooine and paid his debt to Jabba, bounty hunters wouldn’t be after him. But because he wouldn’t abandon the people he came to care about, he got frozen in carbonite.

Wait… That’s not Canon Cannon? 😆

@@keepperspective I mean it might be historical canon since I've heard that Mercutio was meant to be a version of one of Shakespeare's friends who was gay (or maybe even a lover?)

I thought Mercutio was Benvolio's lover

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Ut says that theres 27 comments but the Only one i can actually see is yours

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the great seel of approval

Ok that sounds really really fun, I might try that with my friends

@@florofern6470 You could switch Cleopatra and Lady Macbeth. Macbeth could be more patient with Cleopatra at his side and Lady Macbeth could take care of that nasty Augustus problem. Besides, Antony cavorting with the queen of Scotland (Pictland?) sounds less dangerous than cavorting with the queen of Egypt. Little do they know.

I mean if Avatar was told from Azula's perspective it might be a tragedy (Prodigy beloved child, fatal flaw is treating people like chess pieces, downfall is being driven mad when her most loyal chess pieces turn on her and she's then outsmarted by a water tribe peasant she considered beneath her) but it's not told from her perspective.

to be fair, she’s referenced avatar a lot. probably because it’s a god tier show but still

@@hellothere2464 That it is

No BB either

Also no Magnus Archives? She’s been recommending it through the last trope talks and it’s tieing up rn

Also, the slide at 18:01 gave me serious Matt Groening "Life In Hell" vibes, omg

@Luvjeet SINGH In my picture? Just me as an anime character, no big deal.

@Luvjeet SINGH I thought I looked like something from Assassination Classroom

I'm still a big fan of her Shakespeare videos, 💙💚

No matter what the play is , Cesar always dies

Caesar is the Sean Bean of Shakespeare 😂

“Okay, you saw her reaction. What are you waiting for?!” “I’m going to listen in on her in this confessional.” “And then?!” “Well, I can’t kill her there because then she’s absolved of sin and goes to Heaven. So I’ll wait until she’s actually cheating on me so when I kill her she’ll go to Hell.” Iago then left to bang his head against a wall repeatedly.

@@animeotaku307 You're absolutely right 🤣🤣🤣🤣

And they'll probably mess up A LOT of things

When's the Catharsis!?

There is no maybe.

Oh look it's the same fucking joke repeated 9 billion times again HA HA HA HA HA

You could make a “Tragedy of Trump” pretty easily. He starts in a good position: Wealthy and Politically Active with a family. He has several fatal flaws: Vanity in particular, making him think he knows and can do anything better than anyone else Then you could have a whole second act of the 5-act play where his half-assed attempts to do anything in office lead to ridiculous situations, a chaotic cabinet, all those sillier twitter fueds. But then in the third act we start seeing more and more party radicalization, his attacks on Black and Muslim representativds, the failed disease response, the BLM movement and then that ends with the election he lost. Fourth act is his steady breakdown as all his power slips away, his family life falling apart, and all his attempts to retain the Presidency backfiring up until the (act 5) January 6th debacle and the subsequent destruction of his financial and political empire, banning from Twitter, second impeachment and the ignominious end of his presidency.

Wait..WHAT!?!(Too bad the Magic Records are lost.)

Her point is more alone the line of fate zero. For someone like Kiritsugu, the fourth holy grail war is a tragedy. For those Kirei, it’s a comedy

Sorry for the late reply, but I can think of another such good example: the stories of both May and Luke Castellan within Percy Jackson and the Heroes of Olympus. In the case of May and Luke, both had the flaw of Pride, but one took it a step further by having a strong protective drive (Luke, specifically). You also can't tell the story of one without the other, as May's downfall directly leads into Luke's story truly beginning. May starts in a decent position, having a talent for truesight and prophecy and even wooing Hermes. However, her Pride gets the better of her after hearing the state of the current Oracle of Delphi and she believes that despite having had a child, she can become the new Oracle. Unfortunately, it is impossible for a woman who has "known a man" to become the Oracle, and instead her mental state is shattered, leading to the rough childhood that Luke goes through from that point onwards that leads him into setting out, meeting Thalia Grace and Annabeth Chase, and eventually reaching Camp Half-Blood, though it came at the (albeit temporary) cost of Thalia's life to get there. From here, Luke develops an intense disdain for the Olympian God's because of how many of their children go unclaimed or seemingly unnoticed, ignoring how much his mother's situation had pained his father, even if he couldn't always be present. This, coupled with the whisperings of Kronos led him to steal Zeus' Lightning and eventually become the host for Kronos' power. However, his downfall was that he cared: he knew the Golden Fleece could revive Thalia, and as such allowed it to reach Camp Half-Blood and do exactly that; his promise to Annabeth when they were younger always caused him to stay his blade while she was around and, ultimately, was what let him fight against Kronos' influence long enough to defeat himself and preserve Olympus, which in turn protected his chosen family in Thalia and Annabeth.

@@rayhatesu I am pretty sure the reason of may insanity is that, under hades curse, the Oracle couldn't be replaced.

@@lori0747 that was a small part of it, but her issue was compounded by her parenthood. Even were the curse not in effect, she was trying to take on the duty after already having been ineligible to perform it.

@@rayhatesuthough the May trying to be the Oracle thing is kind of muddied, by Hades cursing the last Oracle to stay the Oracle until the Di Angelo kids are accepted.

Clearly you haven't been on Netflix or Roblox recently

Lol @Random Commet I know what you mean XD

Okay Romeo + Juliet tho

@Alvi Syahri If you find it again, please please *please* tell us the name

West Side Story isn't a rom com, but it's still a good modern retelling as opposed to just sticking the original script in a modern setting.

@@christiancasaverdepertica1802 it's called Romeo x Juliet, and boy oh boy is it quite a watch.

Romeo and Juliet but it’s Seinfeld or Curb Your Enthusiasm

Just dropping in to say I love your username.

@@annakamaralli9627 thank you!

I heard it died...

have you ever heard the tragedy of ugly barnacle the wise?

The only story that ever made me cry

Laertes basically is Othello playing Hamlet. Which ends up being his fatal flaw.

A nice pondering session on just that topic goes by the name _Crime and Punishment_ if you have a week or so to be horrified and think about murder far too deeply

Holy **t, he's right.

and vice versa

@@vaclavjebavy5118 Comedy is a tragedy with good timing?

@@mastray4783 It could be shitty timing too if you were going for tragedy.

I got a good laugh from this

Nice

Which nicknames specifically?

@@alexanderkazantzis8019 He probably means Hamartia (The Sin, likely for Giratina being it was 'sealed away for its crimes') and Peripeteia (The Reversal of Fortune, likely for Absol because it shows up before disaster strikes.)

@@QuantumWaltz *DING DING DING* Here's a cookie!

His hair also got redemption arc

@@name-gu8ml So, Zuko's hair grew every time he got closer to heroism.

I actually didn't think his hairstyle in Book 1 was that bad. In fact I thought it was cool. His Book 2 Haircut (or at least before they went to Ba Sing Se) not so much. As for the rest do the series, yeah that was the best one imo.

I think his hair cut was so terrible because we shouldn't sympathise with him yet. He needed to be ugly, every pretty bad guy gets the "but what if he has a good reason we don't know or a tragic backstory, deep down I am sure he is nice" treatment. And for Zukos ark to work as great as it did, it was critical that the audience doesn't give him that treatment before the writers did. So he looked unappealing at first and looked more and more appealing as we were more and more allowed to like him for story reasons.

@@IISheireenII I was just making a funny but hey you could be right.

Honestly, this is a lecture, not a monologue. Yes, she's the only one speaking, but she is analyzing an academic point rather than bemoaning the pros and cons of suicide.

@@Osric24 a monologue is, by one of it's 3 readily accepted definitions, a prolonged talk or discourse by a single speaker, especially one dominating or monopolizing a conversation. While I don't disagree on the video being a lecture, that doesn't mean it isn't a monologue as well, on the mere basis that since the only one capable of contributing to the discourse within the video itself is Red, that automatically makes the entire video one very long monologue since it IS being directed towards an audience, one that cannot directly respond to the discourse until after the fact.

This gives me vibes from that one Brooklyn 9-9 skit. I was in my bedroom on youtube, and I listened to a monologue, but I couldn't tell who was speaking. They were talking about tragedies, especially greek ones.

That is almost certainly what she was referring to!

Responsible RU-vid commenter.

I don’t see the problem here

imagine having school on a friday lmao

Same

@@legacyxmania9460 * questions in friday school *

"My name is Peri Peteia, but my friends call me Peri Peri because I'm spicy!"

Err, that’s not the reason why that monk thought it meant “goat song”, but yeah, it could have meant “goat song”

Well, she never watched Game of Thrones, and judging by how she talked about it in her Plot Twists episode, she probably will never watch it.

@@GurrenPrime is there a point to watch it after s8

@@paulovinasrocha6166 I don’t know. I haven’t seen it either. Sounds like there isn’t though.