Ultimate Comparison V2 | FlightFactor 320 VS Toliss A319 by Real Airbus Pilot | UPDATED 

I think the biggest star should go to Toliss' customer service. They listen, admitted if something was wrong or inaccurate and they FIXED them. I think that is the reason, how Toliss is really improving compared to the time it was launched.

Hey man, Thank you for your time and effort for putting this together and many other videos that you have done, they have been educational.. Hope all is well. looking forward for the next stream have a nice one cya!

Thank you for taking time off from your busy schedule to explain marvellously... It's not easy to create videos and explain in a methodical manner !

Real world bus driver here. Have used the FF 320 for the past 3 years to practice for sim checks etc. (Primarily system failures and practicing company procedures/ECAM protocols etc). However, I was always looking for more failure options reference systems which I found the FF 320 didn’t provide. In the past month (June 2021) I purchased the Toliss 319, and while the FF is definitely a better looking machine, the Toliss beats the FF hands down if what you’re looking for is the ability to set up numerous system failures, with a large menu system allowing you to set random faults/at varying times/speeds etc. The FF does similar but not to the same extent as the Toliss. The flying side of things (looking at the sights) isn’t really of much interest to me, it’s more the practicing the system failures while under real time pressure as can be provided in X-plane that’s of great use to real world bus drivers. Great video by the way. Love the channel. Always find you very willing to answer viewers’ questions.

Thank you for your video, Captain. As always top performed. I use both products extensively and i like them both. Happy landings.

Early, I really love your videos V1!! I find really useful your videos to improve my flying!

Thanks to you, I have both models 😎 Great video!

An absolutely awesome A-B review. I hope the developers of both camps get to see this to take notes and address their respective idiosyncratic issues to make them both even better.

Great video! I just purchased it today and I’m very happy with it. I downloaded some liveries as well and I got to say it looks good. I also invested in the BSS pack too.

What a interesting review! Thank you!

Thanks for the great comparison. I only have the Toliss and chose to use it by watching your videos. I frequently watch your videos to learn the operations of the Airbus systems. Thank you, Sir.

For the past couple of years I have been wanting to try Airbus as I mainly fly Boeing. I have been undecided between these two until this video. We need more videos with this quality and knowledge base in the flight sim community. Thank you.

Going from the B737 to the A330 soon(ish) at my airline. Thanks to this video I'll be purchasing the Toliss for some nice basic Airbus familiarization. Greatly appreciated!

Excellent video and explanation!! thanks

The video who give motivation to fly ! Merci beaucoup !

Another A320 rated Captain here. Thanks for your review. Previously I only used the FlightFactor A320 but decided recently to try out the A321 from ToLiss. It's a world of difference. The ToLiss plane is so much better in most regards (not all though). My main annoyance with FlightFactor is that they have done nothing about countless detailed step-by-step reproducible bug reports I filed over a year ago. Some of these bugs are minor, but some are a big deal like completely wrong logic of an engine failure after take off, just to name one. I have also compiled a bug list of the ToLiss plane and will file detailed bug reports. Let's see if they are more willing to fix them. One thing both planes get wrong is Vls not increasing to above green dot when the speed brake is selected. One other thing I don't like is the old systems they use (FMS, ND, TCAS, ADIRS). And there are several layering issues on the PFD and ND (some symbols should be on top / underneath others), not to mention the poor resolution of the displays. Although the systems in general are much better on the ToLiss, there are some errors, like when you do a raw data ILS with the auto thrust off, then go around, it doesn't go into OP CLB instead of SRS, which is wrong. I have also found one of the FlightFactor developers to be arrogant. Even when providing real plane video evidence of some issues, he was very stubborn to admit he was wrong with his implementation. Eventually he fixed it but was noticeably angry. Not professional.

Yeah, I'm kinda partial to the Toliss fleet. Started out flying the 319 but I do fly the 321 NEO quite a bit. Just depends on my mood for the day....sports car or bus. Thanks for the comments/thoughts and taking the time to make the video. Well done.

Great job on this review. I don't have the FlightFactor but have the Toliss A321, and wanted to know if I'm missing something, and this video shows how detailed the Toliss line is.

Stunning video!

Very interesting comparison, thank you so much :)

🍿🍿 this is gonna be good.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY IN DEPTH- REVIEW! :-)

Amazing work as usual V1, the flight sim community should count itself truly fortunate to have someone with such an incredible insight and depth of knowledge as your good self to share such superb content with us.

Thank you for helping me decide. 🙂

thank you for this deep comparation

Yay ToLiss A319! V1, any tips on how to bind the tiller. It's an understated yet important control, but I haven't really taken the time to properly use it.

I'm happy with my ToLiss fleet is Airbus, but none the less awesome video!!!

To me the ff a320 always felt a bit more accurate/serious BUT the performance impact makes me go with toliss 99% of the time. While the FF a320 seems to be extremely heavy on performance (also on high end rigs) the toliss runs as smooth as the default cessna 172. where I get like 35 fps with the ff a320 i get 100+ fps with the toliss, and that just makes it so much more enjoyable to fly (i use a 144hz monitor) and landings and handling in general feels more precise with the higher framerate.

Love the Toliss A319, pleased I opted for that, but slightly prefer the lighter FF flight-deck. This comparison must have taken an age... thank you.

you forgot the jar 😂😂😂😂😂...thanks for the vid....i enjoy both...the FF more for the visual immersive side and the toliss for the smooth experience it has become.

8:26 it looks like the FF has been in IR align mode for longer as the heading on the PFD is also showing. The Toliss does get to the stage the FF is at when a few mins remaining

Thank for this comparison, very high quality details. Can you make a comparative with the Toliss vs Fênix? Did you have something to tell us about which is better?

Enjoyed the comparisons How would you match Toliss with Fenix, Flybywire and Inibuilds?

interesting, always flying Toliss as FPS matter, and the FFA320 as you said the pitch is more sensitive comparing to Toliss one, now is even much funny with the Neo Version of Toliss great comparision

I'm happy for the FF users regarding the updates but I'll stick to my ToLiss.

great job thank you

Nice job man, by the way, this scenery around the airport is Ortho? Tks.

Awesome

FF now has fix info yay! :D

@V1-Simulations can you do a new one of these since both have been upgraded since the X-Plane 12 update

? Do we have an update on this video? Excellent work

29:29 this has been fixed now

It might be worth a re-visit again with the newer version of the FFA320. I feel the FBW has improved since then, but on the other hand, it costs another $20, whereas I feel it should have been FOC.

And we are here, 10 months later, with probably the most accurate simulation of an A320, intended to use in the most stunning simulator ever created in terms of graphics. Wow!

Excellent video; nice work! Even before you started the video I was thinking Toliss wins hands down. I've flown both the FF (Airbus and Boeing) and the Toliss planes many many times and time and again the Toliss just seems to fly better, navigate better and simply operate better. I occasionally use the FF and I RARELY fly the JarDesign A320.... it needs alot of work. But if anyone ever asks me, I say ToLiss is just the way to go.

Everytime I get disappointed with glitches on the A32NX I go back to XP11 and fly my ToLiss, it's always such a relief that everything just works.

i've always wanted to ask about the initial pitch after Vr of the flight factor, whether it's too sensitive or not. if i pitch up 10 degrees then release the stick after right away the nose DIVES back down. that isn't correct the fbw?

The thing I appreciate about the Toliss A319 is that is uses the Laminar data refs and the nave data from the GNS430 folder. Using the Laminar data refs enables the default settings in the Bravo throttle quadrant, whereas the FFA320 uses custom data refs and forces one to program the Honeycomb software. Using the GNS430 folder for nave data GREATLY simplifies updating nav data. Way to go Toliss!

Hi, Just one question regarding a different topic that we can see on your beautiful video. What are you using to enhance the quality of your XP11 Vulcan visual appearance? It looks so crisp… Xvision or another add-on? Or none? Thank you !

agreed the comment about FFA320 rotate feeling, too sensitive to pitch, not good.

I have none of these products and my Xplane 11 isn't even installed and i watched the entire video. Sometimes it's just nice to see real pilots talk about these study level aircraft.

Finished watching the full video and I have to say you did a very fair comparison and fully explained and demonstrated the difference between the two planes. Very well done. Now for that Zibo vs Toliss 🤣. Just kidding. Lol

Very nice, thank you, just one thing you didn't mention is the ground handling objects that the FF has and toliss doesn't, maybe it doesn't matter to you but it's a big advantage IMO.

I purchased both, but I never again used the FF since I have the ToLiss. There are so many issues regarding system depth, if you are simulating failures it becomes just hillarious nonsense with the Flight Factor. ToLiss is not perfect, but very close to it! I love this plane, especially with the neo variants.

How to set the settings so I could practice a320 emergency procedures in msfs2020? Thanks

How close to real a/c or level d sim for flight model?

Are you using some sort of environment, lighting, sky, weather, etc. mod here? Details please.

Why does the stall warning on the Toliss only go off when the plane is in Alternate or Direct law?

I had FF first and loved it even though it smashed my frames. Now I don’t fly it at all. Toliss rules the roost for me. A340 coming also. Both models exterior still looks a little off in my view, but I’m inside so not a deal breaker at all. If I want a super high fidelity fix then it’s over to FSLabs. Good stuff V1 as always. Hope you and yours are well and safe.

Were those updates for the A319 mentioned in the video, also applied for other Toliss Airbus aircraft? I mean, is the current quality of the A319, representative for e.g the A321 as well?

While the Flight Factor might be the deeper simulation I think the Toliss Airbus fleet offers a lot more versatility for ablichten better price. You can almost get the a319 and a321 for the price of the Flight Factor. So as someone who has all these birds including the A321Neo upgrade and has started on the Flight Factor on a PC with severe performance issues my recommendation would bevor start your Airbus experience with one of the Toliss Airbus to get the most for your buck and have a flying experience that generally doesn’t lack any features. And if you want to really dive deep into the Airbus world then get the flight factor to appreciate all the extra little details (if your PC can handle it) I personally Fly the a321 most of the time and then do a little 319 and 320 action in between. That’s the good thing here, they are all different aircraft and it can’t hurt to have them all👍🏼

anyone knows if i want to practice non stardard operations and failures of the a320, but i have toliss a319, is it a big difference in terms of system functions, ecam status, qrh? or i must get the a320?

which is best for ifr realism ?

Also toliss for A321 , so need both i think, since different type of aircraft n glad they build it really well.

Another point in Toliss favor is OS compatibility as it runs on all of X-plane's supported platforms. If you're a Linux user you're SOL on the FF 320.

I want to build a A320 cockpit. Which one of these two let me pop screens out (MCDU, PFD, etc) in a separate window so I can drag to other monitors? Which one is more friendly for cockpit building? (access to custom datarefs, etc)

So you are impatiently waiting for the IEA V2500 turbines for the Fenix Airbus too hm? ;) Do you also have the Flight Sim Labs Ltd Airbus A320? They say this one is especially good and based on ProSim cockpit instruments.

Excellent video both for its objectivity and for the depth of the systems discussed. I own the FF 320 and the Toliss 321. I think the conclusions would probably be quite close between these two. Do you plan to analyze the Toliss A340-600 when it is released please ?

How do you have realistic houses

Is the tollis 320 better then the Fenix?

As FSL don't provide 319SL, I kinda want see if I should get ToLiss one for my high land operation. But still, seems ToLiss only provide 5B6 and 2524, not the 5B7 or 2527M we use on high land. Right now I basically used one that I copy the FSL A321's engine data into A319 to get somewhat closer to 319-133 without winglets, few of them do operate on highland, but most of them are -115W and -133W. BTW for highland operation with 737, PMDG doesn't came with that option+RNPAR with RF capability, so I stick with iFly then...

What are your PC specs? Can't find it anywhere in your new videos

To be honest, I had reservations about your last video; some things I didn't agree with, but this video was really well done and very objective. A+. The only criticism I have is how unweildy and unintuitive the Toliss stuff is (MCDU lag, 1-way manipulators), the FF just *feels* like a more polished presented product and probably should have gotten a star for that IMO...

great video and comparison Capt! was wondering what happed to you!

I'd like to know how many of the issues identified here have been fixed by Toliss since the video came out!

Thanks V1 for that amazing comparison video! Something got my attention tho, the "moustaches" on PFD to indicate normal, alternate and direct laws. It seems both aircrafts do not show direct law's orange cross, hope at least it's indicated elsewhere like DIR LAW on ECAM. FF's moustaches are really small (even in normal law) and hard to see 😔

How about systems malfunction simulation? Engine, Hydraulic, Electrical, Pressurisation failures? FF did not have a blue target when I switched to Toliss (Toliss had it and that's why I changed sims)...

Very good point on pitch FF320 sensitivity. Every FF plane have issue with pitch sensitivity, specially on landing. Toliss pitch sensitivity is much much better. I have both but, FF320 is in the hangar after, no more than, 10 flights. Simply both Toliss319/321 are better

Hi is there any good A32* add-on for system failures on the MSFS2020 on the market?

How do you get this level of detail of the buildings surrounding the airport ?

Thanks for the great review! I use the FF, but would I be better off with the toliss? I don’t really care about FPS at all, and customer service isn’t that big of a deal for me. But would you say switching is worth it? And what would be an appropriate price for the FF do you think?

Pls do this for fenix

the reason the flightfactor rotated weirdly is because only in the flightfactor you need to set the trim accordingly for takeoff

There are some important points you didn't adress or i cannot understand your comment. The last beta of the FF320 for example has the FIX INFO implemented and the RAD NAV is completely implemented as well, not sure what you think is missing here? There are also MCDU functions that are missing in the Toliss and that are modeled in the FF like PERF-changing, SELECTED NAVAIDS etc. so i wouldn't say that Toliss-MCDU has significantly more functions. You can create custom waypoints and save them with the FF as well by the way. I cannot judge the exact performance behaviour of the aerodynamics and its absolute possible that Toliss does that better. But you didn't adress for example the simulation of the buttons by pressing them (with animation in the FF, without in the Toliss, giving a much better immersion in the FF). And you didn't adress as well the excellent simulation of the refueling panel in the FF, that is completely missing in the Toliss where you cannot reful in realtime. In the opposite you adress the possibility of changing options in the Toliss that is missing in the FF. I have the feeling your comparison is a bit biased in favour of the Toliss.

15:10 the nose wheel sound 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

Would be interesting to see cross platform comparison between Toliss and FBW NX mod

Excellent video as usual. I recently purchased the toliss a321 and am very happy with it. I was thinking of getting the bss iae sound pack for it, I was wondering if anyone knows if the interior sounds that come with it work no matter the engine variant I am flying with (cfm, p&w, leap). I know the engine sounds obviously won't, but am curious about the interior sounds, thanks.

Tollis, for me it seems to be of better quality and more elaborate than the plane from the flight fact

14:44 you can see how much fps the ff a320 just eats! looks way smoother in the toliss. But ofc this comes down to pc

Is there a chance you can do XP airbuses vs P3D FSL buses to settle or fuel the debate some more? :). Thank you, great concise and informative video as usual.

looking forward to Fenix A320 review !

I've played both.

FF for me. It's more realistic which is why I play this game.

A question to the expert: What happens if I just switch off ELAC on both sides? I am asking because the planes behave differently.

Thanks for the comparison video - but please count the number of times you "go ahead" lol.

I own both and prefer the FF320 much more. As mentionned in the comment i also have a bit the feeling you omitted many points where the FF320 is doing a better job and highlighted all points where Toliss does it better. It sounds a bit like your view isn't completely neutral and a bit biased. But i respect those who prefer the Toliss ;-) Anyway, thanks for your video.

Ldev still not simulated in Flight factor?

How accurate is the Toliss neo? Is it less accurate than the CEO?

This is an interesting review. I wish I had seen this two days ago before I purchased the FF A320. I also own the Toliss A319/21, but I bought those because I couldn't find the A320. I don't know why Toliss didn't just include the A320. I'm still trying to get everything sorted out with this A320 in terms of installation of the aircraft and sounds. The instructions are written so poorly it's unbelievable! But I do see how the FF A320 affects fps. It's atrocious. This is a year-old review. Do you have any updates?

When airspeed goes below VAprot; autotrim disconnects; thats cause, the aircraft pitched down. FF320 was okay