I Ultimate Comparison I Flight Factor 320 vs ToLiss 319 by REAL Airbus Pilot 

You need to assign your keys properly.You have engine 1 assigned but not the full package.

We should stop the nonsense and call it M.C.D.U.

@@DavidAmmerlaan If the real pilot wants to call it a McDue then I am calling it a McDonals.

Faggy McFegit MCDU lol

I guess he’s a easyJet pilot, my friend used to work for easyJet as cabin crew member and said easyJet pilots like to call it like that

He said “McDo” and he’s referring to the MCDU. Known as an FMC/FMS on Boeing aircraft.

Which ones did you try? I have tried in several international airports and waiting more than 5 minutes didn't work after calling GS. Thanks.

@@BokeFlyingSimulations Yeah its not perfect, sometimes its really slow and buggy. Last time I tried was at EDDF, it worked quite well there. Its still better than nothing.

@@FlapPlays I'll give it a try again. Thanks!

I was not aware of this either I will also give it a try, thanks for the tip!!

haha thanks for noticing what the culprit was! I had done some control re-binds and must have missed the second engine reverse lol

MajorLeon43 what is Efb

@@eliash5098 Electronic Flight Bag- the tablet you see on the left side

Oh

Lol just dont download virsuses

The EFB is not there to watch little movies. It's kinda their own fault.

Yes precisely lol Thats awesome news about BSS!

6 months later they didnt come out lol

@@rocco1 next month!

Phoenix 990 awesome! Checkout my professional Series to walk you through preflight-shutdown

I would not disagree with you there, but don't count ToLiss out, when FF first came out I was very displeased with the quality and even got banned from the forums for expressing my feelings lol however in recent updates yes, FF has that quality edge. I think the competition is good for the developers so now we (customers) may benefit from their competition ;) I do not own the JAR and would be hesitant to make comparisons on the 330 as I am not type rated in that specific aircraft.

@@V1Sim banned from the forums for expressing your thoughts, typical and that's why I dropped civilian sims completely, all the devevelopers are freaking hacks and scammers.

@@Galf506 Not all, but majority; get what you're implying though.

Thanks for the kind words! As for your first question I will answer as best i can, it is our procedure to aim for flaps 2, 180kts at 2,000AFE, it is at this point we push for managed speed and lower the landing gear. We are required to be "stable" by 1,000' AFE (+20kts -5) The airbus is known to be slippery on the approach and your best use of "drag" is going to be the landing gear. I can not recall trying to do an approach at flaps 1 and decelerating, this to me seems like it would end up being an unstable approach due to high speed. Remember at flaps 1 you only have extended the leading edge slats and INCREASED the idle N1 percentage (FADEC goes into landing mode) causing an even slipperier situation. I will look into this further and perhaps put together a video on how to execute a "stable" approach. For the second question, looking at the ToLiss flap extension I dont know if you noticed in the video @ 50:34 the flap extension seems rather fast, this would indeed confirm your observation of requiring significant pitch down, now the airbus is designed to keep you at 0G so when adding flaps in "theory" the aircraft should require 0 change from the pilot, but as EVERY airbus pilot knows when adding flaps the system is not 100% and in fact it does require a touch of nose down pressure to maintain level. For the FF requiring a pitch up this could be due to you adding flaps at non "equilibrium" situation, this behavior can be effected by so many different factors I could not type a reply, but this I will, make sure when you select flaps 2 make sure the aircraft is at the vfe next -10kts and in stable flight. I will investigate this further and prepare a video as well! thank you for your observations!

@@V1Sim Thanx for your reply. Regarding to the first question I forgot to mention that I'm mostly flying in Europe (Germany) and I observed G/S interception is usually much higher than in the US. E.g. EDDF 25L is ~3700 AFE and 25R is ~4700 AFE. So there is a long way down to 2000AFE and I wonder how to do this. I referred to the (my copy) of the FCOM 3.0.3.18 for decelerated approach with flaps 1/ green dot at the FAF.

@@V1Sim What about flying into KLAX where you get cleared for the ILS with intercept of the glide slope at 40mi from the airport...you wouldnt be configured until within 10mi or so, right? What would you do in that situation? Just curious as it's a unique approach compared to surrounding airports in that area.

@@linka1886 haha yes LAX is always interesting, I fly there quite often too. On average we get cleared approach like you said 30-40 miles out, they way the arrival procedures are designed however, they link right into the approach as well. So its actually very simple we just follow the published arrival altitudes all the way down to the G/S and just fly like a normal approach. When it does get complicated is when LAX starts changing your speeds. When that happens its easy to get a little high on profile so its not uncommon to actually disconnect the AP apply full speed brake and get back down to profile then re-engage or handily the rest of the way in. Sometimes we may even be slowed up to the point where we are flying flaps 3 with the gear up still several miles out as well.

Holger Teutsch I fly a 320NEO with sharklets in Europe, and all I can say is, unless you're very light (like 55-57 tons) having Config 1 will not let the aircraft decelerate on the GS by itself. In fact it might even start accelerating slightly if it's very heavy. Most of the time we aim to be Config 2 and not more 180kt on the GS intercept (unless it happens 20-25nm away, in this case, a bit of magic with speedbrakes and landing gear is required :D). Also, you shouldn't be ashamed of using speedbrakes on final approach if you have to. For example in London Heathrow the standard procedure for them is to give you 180kt at around 15nm and then at some point they ask you to reduce speed 160kt and maintain until 4 DME. Even with Config 2 you really have to pull the speedbrakes in order to achieve that, otherwise controllers start asking if you are even slowing down (the aircraft in front is 3nm and the one behind you as well 3nm). Just remember speedbrakes are automatically stowed and inhibited when in Config Full for the 320.

Yes having an older MCDU is no issue, just looking for consistency between 2d and Virtual cockpit is what I was getting at. I will do more adjusting with the sounds and the 3d option thanks for pointing this out.

If you want the honest answer, neither is worth the asking price, but there's no other option.

Aaaaand the update is LIVE :)

@@BokeFlyingSimulations awesome! I will be making a video highlighting these changes! Im very excited

@@V1Sim The full list of changes is pretty good this time. I am happy about them!

colbeny yes I fly both! They are both good and I will be doing an updated review soon as Toliss has made many improvements. However if you are going to be practicing for your real sim I would lean more towards the FF solely due to the fact of the secondary flight plan functions are all there and then the presence of some correct warning lights in the overhead during certain situations. However if you want to practice failures the Toliss features a failure simulation where the FF does not. Both fly well, and the majority of the normal flight control laws are all there for both of them. If you take a look at my A320 checkride video you can see I go through a practice check ride in the FF. If you go the FF route I highly suggest the BSS sound pack, if you go Toliss the sounds are immersive enough. Either way you can’t go wrong but you are also correct in the fact that Toliss is making a lot of headway in progressing their airbus while the FF has almost become a lost cause and what you see is what you get. Good luck sir! Enjoy your training!

@@V1Sim Thank you for your detailed answer! :) I think for the beginning I'll go for the FF as I need to practice the FMS first. Then, when the failures come in, I'll maybe invest in the Toliss also. And I'll definitely buy the BSS, just for immersion because we all love it haha :) Thanks again and hope to meet you on the frequency soon ;)

Ffa320.. with bss, most realistic thing ever.

There is a texture replacement pack available for free on the Xp forums

Sinbad683 i have toliss 321 for xplane , so i find its good. It will really help in your type rating. Still didnt try the ff320. But i like fslabs 320 on my P3D.

@@ShakthiKabilan Oh nice, thanks for your response. I'm still working on my PPL. LOL

FF A320

And after external power connection, shouldn’t there be some initialization sounds/beeps?

Also with the ToLiss overhead: You can turn on wipers without any power lol

@Vslsnks It is also commonly known they ship malware with their $100 / $140 Airbus :)

@@davidtsw Incorrect lol

@@theparadoxdoge4310 That is indeed correct, they have done this.

@@davidtsw Actually, what's commonly known is that the malware situation was ages ago and happened because of one of the team members who didn't tell the others. Xplane snobs however, refuse to listen to that because they can't stand the thought of their precious XP not being regarded as perfect :)

@@sharko4093 You are ridiculous. If only you knew how much crap I talk about X-Plane. And get over it - FSL shipped malware with their expensive Airbus.

the FF was just updated for the third time in a month

@TheFsxChannel201 Depends on your pov. VR and dev interface were both highly requested features. And they stated more updates were to come in order to fulfil their roadmap. Just being objective here dude.

yes, the jardesign a320 is a total waste of money

a drag racer

Jump N´ Run what about the A317? JK

Zuikis how is it abandoned if it’s had over 100 updates since it was launched? Only thing I don’t like about toliss is the horrible textures and bad modeling in some systems