Today, we have a look at upgrading the SSG 10, to find some consistency. Can we do it? SUBSCRIBE: / @bigbirdsairsoft SUPPORT (BECOME A PATRON): / bigbirdsairsoft Music: www.bensound.c...
Another very solid video ..thanks for taking the time to make this,although I dont have a NOV SSG I do have a VSR.clone I am upgrading ....dont think I will do the TFC mod myself as I dont want to screw it up but the other stuff is easily doable and I will find a good tech to do the TDC ....thanks for all your time and effort ....dont forget that M14 !!! 🤣
Paul Narraway yes, it comes with a hop arm for a VSR hop unit, with a vertical piece that pushes directly on to the hop rubber. You can’t use this with the AA unit so it just pushes down on the AA hop arm. Just make sure the hop arm is shimmed.
I appreciate how detailed your videos are, sometimes it’s hard to hear some of the things you’re saying though. I like your videos a lot and they’re very helpful, but maybe use a mic?
HowItsDone if you notice I have a mic on, but the connection broke for the first part of the video. I’ll try wearing it closer to my face to see it that helps 👍
great video. I've upgraded my batch 1 ssg10 too. the stock was crap. scratchy, dirty, not consistently, metal shavings, Nozzle slams in the wrong angle into the Hopup Unit. I just use the receiver, standard Hopup Unit and Trigger unit. maybe I switch the Hopup Unit too. but actually the Gunsmithy Tdc works also in Stock. I prefer complete action army parts. Now it works great. if had this information before... I had buy a well or bar10... so I wasted 100-200 Euro in a ssg10 because I swap 90% - great video... I like ur reviews
Pinselkrieg Alexandris thank dude 👍 yeah I agree the tdc works really well in the standard hop unit. It does suck that the first batch needed attention. I was told batch 2 was better but really that’s too late.
The Action Army chamber definitely has a good deal of wobble and it is very irritating. I ordered the whole new Airsoft Philosopher setup and I think it should beat most systems but I guess I will see.
It would be nice to have affiliated links or any kind of links.... for people like me that have hard time to get the names of the stuff that you are upgrading. Or at least on the description. Thanks and great video Whats the name of the innerbarrel and the chamber please?
Why do you think the AA hop chamber didn't increase the consistency that much even though it uses a screw to the hold the hop arm in place compared to the TDC mod? Great video!
wph2005 yt that’s a great question and I thought about this myself. I think it’s all to do with stability and flex. The screw holds the hop arm at the end when applying pressure. The TDC applies the pressure further along the hop arm and stabilises it more consistently stopping flex or wobble. I’m talking of fractions of a mm movement but it all adds up. That’s what I think anyway lol.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT Thanks for the reply. I'm in the process of upgrading my hop chamber to the AA one as well. I had originally done the TDC mode on the original chamber so I'm hoping it will line u properly! My original chamber may have a defect in the hop arm be cause you can clearly see it applies more pressure on the left side.. even with the TDC.
wph2005 yt yeah I’m not a fan of the original unit, the AA is way better as the chamber isn’t screwed together like the original. I’ve changed so much on mine and it is truly an awesome sniper. I still use it along side my silverback.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT I had a chance to get my AA chamber installed and try it out a bit this afternoon... a completely different rifle! I had done a TDC mod on the original and that lined up will enough to also work for the AA chamber. Shoots much straighter and more consistent now!
Great Video. My SSG10 is coming soon (probs batch 3 or above) and I like the idea of a more consistent rifle. Would you say I can get away with just getting the Gunsmithys TDC and AA chamber for a more precise grouping? Thanks.
F T there really is but you need to fine tune everything to make it perfect. I was testing mine at the weekend for maximum range and I was getting consistent shots with the bb dropping off at 90m. I had the odd shot pass 100m but not so you would hit anything accurately. They may have been caught by the wind. I still have a few things I want to try including a flamingo hop rubber.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT Hey mate, been thinking about this comment you left. What exactly would the fine tunings consist of on the AA chamber? I'm thinking of doing this if it really makes a noticeable difference. Have you found anything else over the past month to make a more consistent SSG10? Thanks, man.
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Have been thinking about one of these for awhile till I saw the out-of-box accuracy, I'm currently getting 45mm consistent groupings at 20m with my TM mws gas blowback rifle clamped in a frame so I'm thinking is it really worth the expense for 150 feet per second? Great video once again I'm sure you enjoyed making it but thanks for your effort.
Thanks mate, it depend on the distance as much as the groupings. I’m getting a good 90m out of mine with decent accuracy using .45’s. Having said that, a good MWS isn’t far off. I’ve upgraded my TM scar and I’m getting good accuracy at 75m on .32’s but that little bit extra does make a difference. Of course, it’s a very different style of game play, and that is often the deciding factor. I am a sucker for upgrading bolt action rifles, and I’ve been working on my AS02 recently, but you get to a point where they are all similar but none are cheap. Is it worth the effort and expense? Only if it puts a smile on your face while doing what you need it too. Personally, I think the best bolt action I have used so far is the SRS but I still love using the SSG (or what’s left of it). I’d love to get hold of an MWS at some point.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT cool if you do decide on an mws I feel it only right and nessessary to point you to the TM Mws thread of the UK Airsoft forum where some of the crazies are getting 80+ m out of there 0.4g slinging dmr'd rifles! And for a gbbr it is simply the best to tinker with, with so many upgrade parts it's unreal!
Do you have a parts list and suppliers for these mods? With the tdc mod how do you make sure it's exactly at the top of the barrel? What effect will shorter barrels have?
I plan on doing all these upgrades/mods. Anyone have any other Rubber and Nubs? or the link to the AA ones as I cant find them. I would like to try them.
Looking forward to upgrade my ssg but I'm having quite a hard time finding decent comparisons between the stock hop up chamber and the action army one. I'm planning on installing the tridos TDC and snipetor r hop along with one of these chambers. I've heard the AA chamber has a better seal, however the stock ssg10 chamber has a bigger hop window(?) Anyway what is your take on both of these chambers? Thanks
The SSG is a very standard chamber with a slightly better hop arm. It’s two cast parts bolted together and will never have the tolerances that a (high quality, not Aliexpress) machined billet unit will have. As for the the utterly stupid ring that “improves” the air seal 🤦♂️. There are a few great alternatives but the AA one is the best balance of price and quality. The air seal on mine is literally insane. The TDC is a must in my opinion too. This is only my opinion though. People love to argue about these things, however, I’m always really impressed with mine and it’s one of my favourite RIF’s only bettered by my upgraded SRS.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT Thanks alot for the info, I might buy the AA chamber then, not only due to its' better airseal but also because it can fit GBB barrels. Since there are no 370mm VSR barrels which is what I need for a good cylinder/barrel ratio for the .48 BB's I'm using (380-390mm would be better but, eh.) , that might come in handy. Don't want to mod the barrel, and having a one piece hop up chamber does sound better.
Nice job ! I m also thinking about getting the AA receiver but i have a question. As i can see the receiver has Press fitted thread inserts for the triggerbox screws, but are in the box also included spare Press fitted thread inserts in case the threads strip ? Thanks !
@@vasilissarakiotis8694 yeah no problem. I’ve even gone bigger on some. When I do upgrades, depending on the quality of the threads etc, I’ll put helicoil’s in a brand new gun. I did it recently with a Cyma AK gearbox.
Im sorry but I think you're wrong. Me and my buddy used to shoot one inch groups or better at 20 meters with STOCK utg l96's and sub par bbs at best back in the day. I've seen so much gameplay of this rifle and its never been that bad. IDK what bbs your using or if your barrel was bad or you're just crapping on Novi but whatever the case may be, it's definitely not been what I've witnessed.
I play a lot of airsoft, and I build a lot of guns and Novritsch snipers are decent out of the box guns for people who can’t or don’t want to upgrade. It’s that simple. People who think these sniper rifles are some sort of holy grail, have never used a really good one. I only did the shooting tests because people wanted to see them, but it only shows 1% of the story. It can sometimes be difficult to get good groupings at 20m with a good sniper as the hop rubbers are more efficient and the the Magnus effect causes an upward inflection over short distances that is hard to judge. This can make it hard to set a scope for a short distance, yet as the BB stabilises you get a good predictable distance accuracy. At 20 meters I have an upgraded TM that has a worse grouping than a £120 Cyma. The TM is r-hoped with a EDGI barrel and can hit people at 65 to 70m on a still day. The Cyma can beardy break 30m because the hop rubber is junk, but that means it can consistently lob a BB over a short distance with less backspin and get a better grouping. I have a Well L96 here that I’m working on, very similar to the UTG, and they are junk out the box with no range but can lob BB’s in the same way the Cyma does. That’s why I don’t really do the grouping test anymore and i probably got a better grouping as I hadn’t applied any hop at the time. I see so many SSG’s being used in the field and I regularly let people try mine, every single person said they were mostly happy with theirs until they tried mine. There is nothing wrong with Novs products, I own a few, and at the end of the day, an SSG is better than an average Well gun or out the box VSR, but be realistic, they are still built to a budget. The cylinder and piston are okay as long as they are clean, the trigger box is great, the hop and barrel are mediocre at best and the 2 piece receiver is cheap. If people don’t agree with me that’s fine with me, as I know what mine can do now and I’ve got 5 upgraded sniper rifles to benchmark against each other, as opposed to watching edited RU-vid gameplay or read reviews.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT that's my point. Those utgs were junk. Something was wrong with that gun you were using. Ive been playing airsoft for 22 years so I'm not just blowing smoke.
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Razvan 21 oh god yes! The Nov barrel is nothing special. The AA barrels, even though not expensive, are actually very good. You have to remember, it’s not just about diameter. The Nov barrel isn’t bad, but the quality of an upgraded barrel will beat it.
Roach well, I changed quite a few things at once but it’s currently a seriously good gun. The TNT hops act like an r-hop. Also try the Flamingo rubber as they are similar in design. Both a move on from the maple leaf. Personally I recommend doing the hop unit, barrel and nub if you are changing the rubber.
Yeah that’s true and I wondered about that, but when you factor in the cost of the cylinder, piston, trigger box, bolt then throw a maple leaf stock in too, the difference isn’t huge. I keep thinking of doing a “make an £80 sniper epic” series.
Quick question: How did you make the Gunsmithy TDC hop-arm fit the AA hop-up unit? Mine seems to have its opening for the nub not aligned with the patch of the rubber
DasJokerchen I didn’t mate, I used the AA arm but make sure you shim it either side to improve it 👍 unfortunately the gun smithy arm only works with the standard chamber. I wish they did an AA version.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT Alright, that makes sense. But you probably didn't install the spring below the hoparm since you don't need it anymore, right? I wanted to install mine today and you really helped me out here. Thanks mate, you rock!
DasJokerchen I left the spring in, i think it helps to keep consistent tension on the arm. Can’t stress enough how important it is to shim the hop arm. Also something I never show on camera is I seal the hop rubber with a good quality silicone. Mine has an amazing air seal. Just let it go off properly. Glad it helped 👍
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT I could imagine that the spring slightly "bounces" with every shot shaking the hoparm and making it a little bit more inconsistent. But I'll try it with and without the spring to see what performs best. I use a bit of teflon tape around my hop rubber to the barrel (which makes it seal fine) but I have problems with the airseal between nozzle and rubber. Any suggestions besides some silicone oil?
DasJokerchen let me know your results with the spring, I’d be interested to know. No, nothing else really. Oh btw I use JB Weld silicone sealant for the air seal if you do use it.
Hey, out of interest do you know if the drill hole for AAC is in the same position as if it was for the stock hop chamber? I already have the gun smithy TDC on the stock chamber but I'm thinking of changing to AAC? You reckon I'll have to drill another hole? Thanks
It’s impossible to say mate, it depends on where you drilled the original hole. You might be lucky and it’ll work. If it doesn’t, the other option would be to get a new outer barrel as they’re pretty cheap.
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT I've installed it, it's exactly the same measurements if anyone was wondering. Original TDC measurements calculated using Gun Smithy's guide.
Damn GREAT VIDEO again.. i'm getting one of them guns but i want to send it to you to do what you done to yours... So were about you or you...oh plus i'll send you $500 to hook it up
@@BIGBIRDSAIRSOFT Thanks for the info. So the top rail is still the old one from the SSG10? Cause the screws of my rail seem to be screwed. I can't really tighten them properly
M M yeah the original rail will fit right on using the same screws. One of the threads on my SSG10 receiver stripped when I took the bolt out for the first time lol. I have since replaced the top rail with a maple leaf one and they are really good too.
