In Pre-Sequel Clap would easily be the strongest non-siren lorewise. He was able to emulate most of the Vault Hunter’s abilities and even had some Siren powers, and had the H-Source, digital omnipotence, stashed away deep in his code.
in addition to this, claptrap only 'died' as a result of him being tricked by his 'friends' which would be understandable as how little he has, but even after being shot in the robotic chest and killed off using his very on H source, he managed to survive, at the cost of his powers. So in reality, Jack had to shoot claptrap and use an omnipotent source of absolute control in a failed attempt for claptraps life, but ends up only taking away his powers.
Wilhelm straight to S tier. I mean, he beat Lilith as WELL as 3 other B/C tier people at the same time. Either Lilith hadn't worked on her powers yet, or Wilhem got screwed over.
from context, he probably attacked sanctuary by surprise and with a small army, beating the vault hunters as they were trying to evacuate civilians. he won because the story needed it, But Lilith should be invincible with her powers. (even Tyreen should have been toasted on the spot) @@hungryal
Yeah, the first four VHs should be below the BL2/TPS ones. It is explicitly stated they failed to defeat jack, which implies the BL2 characters are stronger. Wilhelm defeats the first 4 VHs, but loses to the second set after a good fight. Nisha as well. TL;DR in terms of power 2>TPS>1 characters
playable wise, amara has the more diverse powers lore wise however, its made pretty clear lilith is the strongest, girlie shifts entire towns and stopped a planet by phase walking into it
I do think that Zer0 would beat Moze. Mech's not mobile enough to keep up and big Z's sword is crazy. Especially after it's neat upgrade in 3. And honestly I think Krieg could chill in A tier, I don't necessarily see him losing to Sal.
It depends on the distance, if it's mid-range, Salvador wins because Gunzerking is best at mid-range and puts out more firepower, close range Krieg wins because his Badass Psycho mutation could potentially tie him for strongest physical VH with Brick.
same argument could be used for athena as she literally has a captain merica shield along a sword with her close combat fighting style, the only reason she got outed was cus she was third partied whilst protecting some useless sun bitch and tanked 3 fucking rocket launcher shots
I think the first thing one must do is separate in game powers from canonical ones. Which includes nonesense like money shot that somehow makes the shot stronger Simply because things like self healing isn’t a thing. When the vaulters get shot they feel it and must get medical treatment afterwards, since they are still human Also it would make later game protags better by default since they have more expanded and complicated skill trees and playstyles Next one would have to separate those with objective super powers from everyone else. This would mainly apply to Sirens The next tier should be “more than human but not reality breaking powers by definition” Brick as an example is purely human but he can punch through robots and throw cars Then we could finally start separating by actual accomplishments and training. Which is funny because that puts Roland and Axton as basically the bottom of the tier just above the tales protagonists. Since they are just “good soldiers with a turret” Tales would be the bottom tier however. Their whole thing is that they are the least qualified people to vault hunt in the world but still try to do so
still only 5 minutes in but i feel like you guys are lowballing zero here. In his echoes it shows that he is only vaulthunting to feel SOME sort of excitement or challenge. I also feel like hes above flak. In BL3 agaisnt katagawa using the same tech zero was handing Katagawa his ass. This shows that zero is more than just his abilities but also has the skill to overcome any obstacles. Also I feel that Sal is on par if not above Lilith at least in borderlands 2. Reasoning being that lilth is getting her butt handed to her by the bloodshots, a single bandit group, whereas echoes in Thousand Cuts show Sal takes out bandit groups solo. I always seee Sal as just a gun wielding maniac but there is indeed a reason for his crazy high bounty (besides being able to solo any raid boss with ease) Also while I hate CL4P-TP, i have to say you are lowballing him because this should just be taking in account their time as vaulthunters not as a side gag character years later in his life
Yeah, Zer0 is definitely a really strong vault hunter. I think he could easily fit in the top 3. Sal is also an absolute beast. I also think... Maybe Krieg should be a bit higher? But overall, yeah, good rankings 🗣️🗣️🗣️
The bloodshot argument for Lillith being below Sal isn’t true to lore In the lore she was besieged and fought them of alone for weeks by the time her bl2 vaulters came. Which they also did in a group of 4-6
Loved this vid, release the beast is also 100% cannon because krieg was heavily mutated due to Hyperion experiments. Also his gauntlet injects him with the stuff used to heal and mutate him making krieg the only VH who can cannonicaly heal like wolverine. Overall great vid boys 👏
Wilhelm is easilyyyy above Athena, wilhelm almost killed lilith, Roland, brick and mordecai single-handedly, so much so that they all had to run away including everyone at new haven. Athena fought mordecai and brick and lost to them.
Brick and Mordecai captured Athena but barely. So its safe to assume she is stronger than them individually. Willhelm had to be poisoned in order for four Vault hunters to beat him, including a Siren, he is the strongest.
I feel like lore-wise, Liltih should be the number 1 Siren because she legit sealed the moon-vault-key thing. Seems like that's a good qualifier for lore based powers.
I still feel like Wilhelm is too low in the ranks, he destroyed the first vault hunters as well as many other large feats. He was Jack's ace and everyone feared him. That should've been enough to put him in S tier, bro was so unstoppable that Jack had to poison him before the fight in borderlands 2 because he was so strong. And even then, he still puts up a reasonably hard fight. Furthermore, his death surprises everyone showing how strong he would've been if weren't for the poison. Im pretty sure in his prime Wilhelm would stomp everyone on the list (individually, but in some cases in a group) the only vault hunter I'm a bit unsure of is Athena, but that's only because of Wilhelm being impressed by Athena after finding out she killed Knoxx. But that's it really. Also this is just my opinion you don't have to agree, I'm just a fan of Wilhelm lol
Solid list, the second tier list is interesting. Gotta say I’ve never played a character that I loved as much as Athena, especially when ya can level up her shield abilities and melee stuff, felt like a demon of destruction!
zane is now the strongest vault hunter in 3 gameplay wise no cap the only thing moze has is she requires far less gear literally all you need is a flipper or unkempt harold, a re-volter, and her blast master class mod you don’t really need a god roll on this shit either. a cryo chain zane build will mob thru pretty much everything in the game in a blink of an eye it’s so nasty.
oh and zane’s ammo regen is ass especially compared to moze who basically doesn’t run out of ammo i killed summo idk how many times to get that bullet buffet re-volter just for zane
@V3RAC1TY zane was an assassin, but those skins were for alternate timelines. If the vaulthunters chose different paths in life, zane could have been assassin one, but in the main timeline, he chose to retire to become a vaulthunter.
I just play Zane like the doom slayer and it’s probably the most fun I have ever had in borderlands especially with the super shotgun just jibbing everyone regardless of level
we need to take into account the fact that mordecai beated zero in a sniper challenge, it´s been said in BL3 so he lore wise is kinda strong than possibly zero at the very least stronger in longer ranges than him, adding to this he actually won the moxxi´s underdome agaisnt lilith so he could outclass all of his peers from BL1; and wilhelm is a INMOVABLE S as he almost kill all of the BL1 characters alone and he was poisioned by jack in order to be killed because if he was complete he sure as shit would have defeated the BL2 VH with ease.
the strongest (in game) IMO: S+: Moze Zain Sal S: Fl4k zero jack A: Amara Maya Athena Kreig B: Lilith Gaige Neisha Mordecai C: Axton Aurilia Claptrap Wilhelm D: Brick E: Roland (literally my 1st VH)
Gamplay wise, Zane and Moze are on a league of their own. Hustler Zane and Deathless Moze laugh at your survivability. I'd edge it more towards Moze because she can go boom or brrrrrr. While Zane just booms from another planet. And then maybe Salvador people would be mad if you don't put him up there even though BL3 VHs are just a different breed with the lack of dependence to God rolls for the most part. But in terms of fun? Amara and Fl4k easily. Then Zane then moze then an empty tier then anyone else after the empty tier
Ok but like, Fl4k relies a fair bit on their pets and there isn't a single one of them that Krieg wouldn't literally eat in a fight. I wager Krieg broaches into A tier by beating Fl4k.
Top 3 strongest non siren characters in my opinion is Wilhelm, Zer0, and Zane. In the lore, Zane is literally the most dangerous operative/hitman in the galaxy. Theres a reason why so many corporations want him dead and why his retirement plan is literally vault hunting. Its kind of similar to Zer0 with how he does vault hunting because he literally found everything else too easy. Matter of fact, Zer0 and Zane are 100% on the same skill level, they just do it differently. Zer0 has much more agility and speed than Zane cause, well, hes a ninja and def not a human, plus he can go invisible which is a major plus. Zane, however, has way more versality with his tech than zer0. Like come on you can't beat a literal shoulder cannon, shield that even protects him against siren powers, teleportation (Zer0 has that too tho), a digi clone which is basically 2 zanes, and digi-structed drones that can shoot missiles and grenades. Plus, while its not canon, it's basically confirmed that if Zane stayed in the assassination buisness, he would've have gotten a Zer0 suit (which actually raises more questions about zer0). Zane and Zer0 are def in the same skill level, BUT i think Wilhelm was the strongest non siren character. I mean dude was so borgged out that he could take on the entire sanctuary with the 4 original vault hunters INCLUDING lilith. The only reason why the new vault hunters killed him was because Jack poisoned him before the fight. Fl4k and Moze are definitely up there with Zane and Zer0 but just a wee bit behind.
if we're talking about lore, peak wilhelm took on newhaven a short time after bltps as shown in the end credits, and in my opinion athena and wilhelm are tied, so they both stupendously strong also Athena in greek mythology s the goddess of war so like eh
Amara is in lore the weakest siren of the main 3. It is said Maya has "had" the most potential of the three but got snuffed and we were able to see the progression of Lilith powers. Amara's are quite limited in all actuality.
Athena is the best most trained assassin around trained by atlas since a very young age. Maybe zero dethroned her but she is still very very very strong in lore.
And in the world Lilith sux escpecially in BL3 along with Maya, so i'd lower them down to C to D, but if we're just speaking based on their lore/capabilities? all sirens are in S. Even in BL1, Lilith can only phasewalk and deal elemental upon entering and exiting, which at this point every siren is able to do minus the phasewalk which is in itself a useless ability in game but lore wise is powerful. Lilith is just like a better Ava, causes problems and deaths, did nothing but being beat down one sided. Maya can brainwash ppl and phaselock a planet Amara's just a jack of all trades for siren powers Lilith can phasewalk, teleport, fly and being a firehawk etc but eh, BL3 writing really nerfed her down to a lvl 1 mob. Moze is just a war veteran with a battlemech, i'd say all the assassins would find it easy to off her. I suppose it all boils down to who get's the first strike.
This feels very clickbait, you say this was lore centric rather than opinion, then you proceed to put wilhelm in the same tier as athena and way below a character who he almost killed lore-wise, if you put lilith in S, you would have to put wilhelm above her
