Vaush Wants You To Be Nicer To Russian Invaders (orc discourse revisited) 

Except people would absolutely call out racialised dehumanising language used against Israelis, the left are correctly conscious of doing that. You're just opening up a blatant hypocrisy.

that'll be Vaush's next piss take

@@mehblarg5011 aka kharkiv kid finder

As someone who loves the pyromanic little giggling maniacs, we do not claim Vaush.

I always thought that it came from soldiers wearing no insignia being called little green men back when they were first spotted in Crimea

@@gergosoos2870 little green man nickname was given by russian officials to explain what is going on in Crimea. Only after the “referendum” Russia admitted that their army captured Crimea. But before that they used this nickname to mock Ukraine. As “ we know that you know”. Green - because of camouflage, little - as to say they are insignificant.

Correct. Tolkien was super popular in Russia in the nineties and it remained in the zeitgeist of the opposition that saw in the Kremlin the same oppressive Eye as the Tower of Sauron.

@@gergosoos2870 /watch?v=cwbSP4Onzh8&t=565s this is a review of Red Dawn (1984) where the Russian reviewing the movie ironically calls the Soviet soldiers "orcs". This was uploaded in Dec 2012 and thus before the Crimean crisis.

It's funny that over a year ago, Putin actually handed out gold rings to the 8 members of the Commonwealth of Independent States. This shit just writes itself.

another Ukrainian here to second that. sometimes the volume of uninformed or plainly ignorant takes coming from outside really overwhelms me, but people like Tyler help me realise that not everyone walks around with a hollow cranium

Bro morbed

It doesn’t help that Russian state TV actively feeds the flames of war and genocide

I can be wrong but in my impression ppl mostly only call russian soldiers orcs and then russian propaganda swoops in and claims "look they are calling us all(civilians) orcs, russophobia!" And in my opinion calling terrorists with ugly nicknames is the least you can do, but we should be doing more to help

@@gyderian9435 Yeah, I imagine some people are applying it to all Russians, but if they're Ukrainian, I can't really blame them. But my understanding was that it was about the army broadly.

It's an attitude I would totally support from like a gaming or comedy stream but from a big thinker commentary/arguementaty streamer it's sad lol

i prefer it not be used at all, im not russian or Ukrainian though, but i think its used as a blanket for all russians because it never specifies the soldiers as being the orcs, they just say "russian orcs". It is dehumanizing and right wing and sussy as fuck. I understand hating the government of russia and the evangelists of Putins autocracy, even though many fighting right now were either not born or children when he claimed power and grown up in a environment that is intended to be an incubator for this exact kind of horrors. There are so many things you can call them but its just used way way way too casually

yes but it still is not the right thing to do, just because something has been done does not mean it should continue too. It is right wing and reactionary to dehumanize entire groups of people like that and leads to more and more bad things.

Which is crazy because I've heard racist people say it without the hard r in a hateful manner.

Yeah, I try to avoid Lefty in-fighting because I hate it so much, but hearing Vaush say THAT made me go, "OH, maybe we DO need to fight sometimes."

Wuf

@@westsidetyler Fascists can't defend their country. Only people can do that. Ukraine is a country of people though.

​@@westsidetyler did u not see his reaction to the n word lady where he spent two thirds of a twenty minute video saying why the "soft a" isnt as bad and we shouldnt call people racist for it or cancel them straight to hell or whatever strawman in his head

they both come from very rich famiies too, hasans dad even was a founding member of a right wing turkish politcial party! and his uncle well we know about that jabronie fake ass progressive who was a republican until he realized a opening in the market for left wig media as it had zero occupants and he got $$$

pigs are as smart as a very intelligent 2 year old or a slow 5 year old, so i mean you could call people worse things. Actually pigs might be a tier bro animal, they love doing puzzles and stuff and they get seperation anxiety from their crew when they are gone. they have a insane sense of navigation and they get sunburned like us so they mud bath like arnold from predator to stay cool

well it depends on how the takes are applied, like for example most are dumb as fuck because they stan china for some reason, this i think has to do with what debord called the spectacle and obsession with imagery and representation instead of being, so they see china and their opinion is informed by the representation of what they think china signals to other people not the actual structure of it, because if you just look at the country its obviously not communist or left wing, its a unique place on the left right line because it doesnt fall into it because left-right split is very much a european thing that came from the french revolution. Asian countries have different political systems and histories. It is very hard for me to ever be convinced that a left wing country can be authoritarian due to the fact that authoritarians is very very anti left wing politcs. remember the leftist all these people actually are influenced by is lenin, not marx, and lenin was fundamentally a right wing deviation of marxist philosophy and his ideology was structured in a way that the only thing that could come out of it was what you had with stalinism in the massive police state etc via hia vanguard party. All the countries that became communist in the 20th century are far more influenced by lenin than they are marx, in china they straight arrest ACTUAL marxists. Like the amount of letists who i see justify imperialism by other countries with similar goals and aspirations as america is befuddling, it is very very simple that if you are against imperialism, you are against any invading force, end of it. That doesnt mean you have to support sending weapons and shit because some people are legitimate pacificists as a part of their moral beliefs and reject all violence, but even if you don't agree with sending weapons you at least can understand who is the moral right and if you cant do that then by god you dont have to blame america and nato for the entire thing, its absurd. It makes no sense either because literally invading ukraine just makes russia have zero buffer with nato states. like it doesnt make sense to try and conqur and control a country that borders like 7 NATO countries and say "its because nato is getting too close, they sat down two seats away rom me so i moved to the seat next to them"

@@user-th7cw4dl3o Azov still exists in the form of the 3rd assault brigade, its founders went there as well as some of the more right wing elements. They still use fascist iconography for their units and platoons. Azov men are spread around the entire UAF, others went off to form Kraken unit which reports to the Directorate of Intelligence, these were mostly 2014 veterans and football hooligans...

@@user-th7cw4dl3o this

@@mehblarg5011 I'm not sure there's a military without a strong right wing elements and stronger than average right wing presence. But calling them nazis now is like calling any other military nazis. Some time after it was integrated in the army, Azov underwent a serious screening process, cuz apparently not everyone in it was even a Ukrainian citizen. A lot of people were removed, Azov's leaders were changed to people from the actual military, not from the regiment itself. All that seems to be left is the wolfsangel, but none of their actions seem to indicate any issues. The people purged from them founded a bunch of organizations. As they are rooted in an ex-USSR FC, they have undeniable nazi roots, but it seems they were deeply reformed, and all that's left is some symbol which... they are at a war, they can look at symbols later.

Azov were incorporated into the National Guard in late 2014. Five years prior to Zelensky winning the election.

@@mehblarg5011 The 3rd Assault Brigade is composed of new recruits. The pre-2022 Azov was surrounded in Mariupol with very few escaping, and those who survived are still POWs with around a hundred released so far. They have also removed the iconography. The 3rd OShB uses three slashes and Azov SSO uses three daggers.

nah, there were a ton of POWs taken in Mariupol, somewhere around 900+ iirc. the Russians even made a big deal on their state-controlled TV shows that they were gonna give them all the death penalty. so far a handful of POWs were released including the Azov commander who is definiely a far-right ultranationalist, then a couple of dozen went on trial but ended up just getting prison sentences, and the other several hundred are still just being held while awaiting trial/release

I also prayed that we’d make better decisions as a nation in the future…that was 20 years ago…I gotta “shush” my inner demons when I pay attention to what people fixate on…

Because he opposes Russian brutality of another nation?

Shit bro I love America and NATO and I kinda despise the Russian state

@@westsidetyler well I'm not defending Russia. I hate the russian state as well man. Just saying I deeply dislike this whole orc shit. That's why I live in Brazil and love it so much: I can oppose Russia whilst opposing the USA and NATO.

How the fuck USA or nato made your life worse to the point you need to oppose it

And to be clear I'm not trying to be clever and say "well they're all not sees", quite the opposite actually, the average Russian soldier is in a situation they have no control over, and the Ukrainian people are under invasion from a military force. I'm saying if some sub-set of either side could be correctly referred to as not sees or fash then reference my above comment.

Teach me to comment before I've finished watching a video😂😅 ADHD go BRRRRR

I would say a peace treaty with russia at this point, with blank stipulations, would be an act of delayed suicide. I really dont know much about Orban but he seems like a nasty little pimp

I think a peace treaty isnt a bad idea, the problem is Putin is a psycho and probably wouldnt allow it without some insane conditions. I mean, I would accept giving up Crimea and the Donbas region because those have been under Russian control since 2014. But Putin probably wants it all.

@@westsidetyler I can let you in on what kind of person he is. He regularly funds propaganda campaign during elections, calling the opposition leftist warmongers who want war. They also regularly demonize the West, while not saying one bad thing about Russia. He also regularly takes EU money, but spends most of it on luxury items for his family and friends, while spending only a fraction on actual infrastructure and other necessities on the populace. Also, unlike other European leader, he keeps a close relationship with Putin and other Eastern dictators.

@@westsidetyler I can let you in on the kind of person he is. He takes EU money and then spends a large chunk of it on expensive luxury items for himself, family and friends while only spending it on a fraction of necessary items for the populace. While various leaders in the EU and West cut all connections to Putin after his invasion, he still visited that guy and kept up good relations with him, even vetoing a lot of help to Ukraine or trying to tell the West to take Russia seriously. Whenever it's election seasons, the entire country, from the streets, highways, cities and even the internet is filled with propaganda ads, painting the opposition party as warmongers of the West. That's a good summary for a starter. Sorry for the wall of text.

​@westsidetyler Orban is the kind of leader the institutional GOP want to have. Authoritarian but with juuuuust enough deniablity that it doesn't impede international affairs.

What kind of stalker stalks everybody?

@@westsidetyler Tyler the world's first reverse-gangstalker

Nor do I care about those conditions or those people

They're actually pretty different. You see, in 2015 Russia was threatening a full scale invasion of Mariupol, but gave up and settled for a rocket attack that hit residential areas. Azov was one of the units tasked with protecting the city of Mariupol, so they reached hero status among the populace (there's even videos of 2022 Mariupol refugees being interviewed and praising Azov for protecting them in the recent conflict). Hamas does the rocket attacks on civilians and then endangers their own people. Azov takes all the bad publicity for doing a bunch of stuff that's only been reported by Russian media (read: stuff that never even happened) and then puts their lives on the line to protect their country. Hamas does stunts to piss of Israel and when heat comes their way they hide under civilians to then cry crocodile tears for international sympathy. It's actually cartoonish how they act the polar opposite way.

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Hamas are a bunch of assholes that only make things worse. But you have to consider that the circumstances are quite different. People tend to behave predictably depending on their circumstances. Hamas has a lot fewer reasorces and have fewer options. Azov got US and EU grade weapons and were likely better equipped than the russians. Meanwhile Hamas stands no chance at fighting Israel head-on. Hamas hides underneath civilians because there is literally no other option. Even if Hamas wanted to avoid hiding behind civilians (which they don't), its not possible, Gaza is to densely populated.

gross, get out fash

your name is literaly fucking colin lol slava ukraine please

7 million of Ukrainian fought against nazi Germany. 40k for nazi Germany. To call that “strong history of sympathy” is weird. You would not say the same about Russia, yet ROA had 800k members

Being in eastern europe during WW2 is being in-between a rock and a hard place. There was no good decisions to be made during that time, only suffering and getting genocided and fucked by 2 more powerful nations. Being a nazi collaborator on the eastern front is nowhere near the same as being a collaborator on the western occupied countries. People should not glorify Bandera, it is just a losing argument to complain endlessly about him as a way to make Ukraine look bad.

Yeah, and some fought for survival, not ideology. Like Finland was a democratic nation but fought against commies then nazis without allying with the allies

@@gyderian9435god bless the Finns

​​​@@gyderian9435At that time, the USSR had a temporary alliance with Nazi Germany thru a non-aggression pact between 1939 - 1941. It was only until Hitler went psycho and started trying to invade the USSR that things went sour.

Where from

@@YohanRoth georgia

@@davitdavid7165 would not consider Georgia as part of Eastern Europe. It’s Caucasian nation. But whatever. Either way it’s a cuck behaviour to be Georgian and try to appease people who consider you as part of their empire. People who already weighed and won wars against you in modern times.

@@YohanRoth this. the Abkhazia/South Ossetia stuff was a prototype for Crimea/Donbass, a Russian appeaser from Georgia is literally the last dude that should be weighing in on the invasion of Ukraine. like actually net negative value of opinion. guy has just internalised that Russia is the bull and he sits in the cuck chair, and then tries to project it onto other conflicts

My intuition is it’s generally not helpful and I feel distasteful when I see say westerners go on about Russians being orcs - but in terms of Ukraine I a) don’t think its wrong, similar to the arguments in the vid and b) there’s no stopping a deep hatred of Russia there now for generations and that’s on Russia

Nah

"Russian" isn't a race. it isn't even a singular ethnicity cause Russia has tons of ethnic groups. it's a nationality. sorry you can't grasp that, maybe go to school or something, idk

​@@disregardthatAnything can be a race, that's how social constructs work. I agree that calling Russian invaders 'Orcs' is generally okay, but this is a terrible argument.

@@westsidetyler It is. Your unwillingness to engage with how Russians are percieved as non-european is intellectually lazy.

@@disregardthat As pointed out race is socially constructed and you can absolutely be racist against a nationality. Sorry I'm not as into measuring skulls as you are.