I’ve just bought it. And honestly, I do think that ableton stock 909 kick is also really powerful and still has its place. I’ve just tried it on some of my tracks and here’s what I think of it : - It’s punchy (slightly more than ableton’s 909) - it has a beautiful round sub (not boom, SUB , really low stuff) - if you need precision, you have all you need to make the perfect kick BUT, if you are a beginner and think that this will solve all your problems, then I’ll advise you to limit yourself to ableton’s stock 909. Even though the Vermona is a great machine, you’ll still need to process it to make club music. Learn that first or you’ll just get lost in all these parameters.
Yeah you made great point, especially since last major update, they sound really good. I like the Vermont because they sound very round, that's why I actually keep it, because no other machine/vst does that type of kick. But of course for modern track it needs a lot of process
@@audioreaktthat’s exactly what I’m thinking about it 3 months later ! And the roundness is exactly what I loved. But when you need to spend a lot of time processing your kick drum every time, it starts to be annoying. Still, it’s always great to have it around, especially for techno.
First of all thank you for the tutorial, very thorough! Regarding "being expensive" it's worth mentioning that, since there are many people that don't quite get comfortable with "one trick pony" hardware, you can find good bargains in the pre-owned market. I bought my Vermona Kick pre-owned for $140 (incl. shipping and tax), I also use another "one trick pony" as my main bass source (Moog Minitaur) and am quite happy with both. Now would you mind sharing a list of processing effects you use? I downloaded your rack but I'm a ancient and am still using Ableton 9... 👴🏻. Thank you!
Yeah true , that must be a nice combo, the Vernon's plus minotaur! I think I showed the effect chain in the video, if no, send me an email at audioreakt(@)Gmail(.)com and I send you a screenshot of the chain this way you can replicate in live 9
@@audioreakt Thank you! Just emailed you! Another thing: for build ups I sometimes use the Vermona Kick + Another kick, then add delay/reverb effect on the Vermona and start increasing the pitch/noise up.... it creates a nice and simple build up for techno loops....
@@audioreakt I used my MBase with the Digitakt, I had some kinds of issues with the midi program. I used to have the full Vermona DRM MKIII but i had to sell it....I still miss these kicks though. How do you use your MBase ?
@@Ethan-qe7cr haha I would like to know too ! I am gonna answer you the basic answer everyone will tell you and that's not gonna help you neither but : EQ, saturation, compression. Then after how to set this is hard to say...sorry for not helping you haha
@@audioreakt pretty sure Bodzin uses the trick where you make a copy of the kick and reduce the length then saturate loads to make an impact transient to add to the original (amongst other processing as well obv)
Awesome review dude. I used to own one if these and wasn’t impressed but I didn’t try and process it so heavily, really comes alive with that rack! Might even get another 😂 Looking toward to your review of the Jomox!
Yeah that was holding me back from buying one to be honets, I was like, it's sounds goods, but its sound a bit old and obsolete for modern production...but hell yeah when you put effect it's like the machine is on dopamine !
@@audioreakt it sounds mint, be nice layered :-) Have you had many good kicks out if the Arturia 2S? I’ve got one put away for my 40th but not allowed to open it for 2 weeks yet ha ha!
@@audioreakt I found it and got next day delivery. My first kick sounded big! I totally agree with your comment about being able to push analog/hardware more than digital. That's my personal experience anyway.
you're, good question I haven't really overprocess the kick of the rytm so far so hard to say, but they both sound great anyway. i don't know why I have two limiter haha just I tried and work so left it.
I use midi out of my soundcard into the Lancet Midi In. Then in ableton I used the External Instrument device to send midi to it (with a midi clip with a 4/4 pattern for the kick). Then take back the audio from the machine into my soundcard.
@@audioreakt I own a Jomox Alpha Base and have some opinions I have formed about the analog kick drum since owning / using it. I will keep these to myself till you make the video as I don't want to influence you, but, would love it if you could compare the actual transient "punch" of bass oscillator between the Vermona & Jomox without the noise or click. Very dependent on the ADSR of each and with the Jomox there are about 8 parameters influencing this (Pitch, Decay, EVAmt, Gate > PTAtk & PTDec, LFO & Compr) so might be a pain in the ass but I'd love to know which one hits better. Phaww boy, I am a nerd haha. Love your vids, keep em coming! ::)
@@benjaminalfred4383 well I already recorded the mbase video, so I have my opinion on it already. I didn't compare them one to one as for me they both sounds very good and there is not one sounding "better" than the other. But both have pro and cons, the vermona is more fun because of "one knob=one function" so more direct but more limited in term of sounds (less parameter to tweak). It's funny because The Mbase is the exact opposite : having one knob for all the parameter make it less fun and more "complicated" to use (less direct), but have a wider possibility in term of sounds. I like them both for their own reasons but if I had to choose one it will probably be the Mbase as pluging a midi controller on it will solve the "less direct" problem (which is what I did on my review too)
Great Vid. I have the vermona Kick Lancet here with me how are you getting Ableton to trigger it. I m trying to use the Iconnect midi with no luck. Thanks
Thanks . Yeah by midi, my sound card have midi out , plug to the Vermona in. Then check the manual because I think there is just one note triggering the kick, like C1 or C0 or something else, I don't remember, but if you don't trig that exact note it doesn't work.
Question is.. compared to others like tr09 boutique, drumbrute, volca kick... really worth buying this? Is more expensive considerating its only a kick maker not a drummachine
never had any of the machine you've mentioned, so I cannot really compared. It's true it does just kick but it does it well, and you have more control than other machine usually. Depend your need too, if you're dawless, I would recomend to get a drum machine first as this one just do kick...but if you already have a drum machine and look for new way to make kick then it's worth it...
Definitely not worth it. It sounds like trash, honestly. I had one. I recorded some samples of it that I never use. It couldn't make a single decent kick.
Technically you can do everything in the box. I think hardware is mostly for better workflow, creativity, and hands on experience rather than ‘programming music’ with a mouse and keyboard
Yes, you resume it perfectly. Better workflow and more fun. But I would say also for kickdrum than an analog kick drum will "better" react to effect than an in the box kick. This is all subjective obviously and you can make great kick in the box, but this kind of raw/punchy kick are easily made with a machine like this than with a software...
Bro I had this thing - this is the worst kick machine I have ever used. What a piece of garbage. Couldn't make one good kick. I just got an RD-8 and it's 1000x better in every way. I don't need 900 goofy kicks - I just need 1 solid kick. And to think the Kick lancet was like 2x as expensive as the RD-8....
I disagree, it's really good, a lot of punch, the drive is really good, you can have different waveforn, it's more versatile. But for sure if you just want a classic 808 , then better get the rd-8
