Turned into fudge, turned blue, stretched into a freakish giant, and... made smelly. Seems Veruca got off easy. A couple showers and she's back to normal.
Travalon I feel like that the incenerator was never going to work because of either Wonka knowing she was going to do that so he turned off the incinerator or the incinerator was always broken because Willy Wonka has the mind of a 12 year old and doesnt know how to fix an incinerator
You know what the funny part is? Veruca is actually a well-mannered and polite child overall (in comparison to the other three at least). She introduces herself to Willy Wonka politely at the beginning of the movie and sometimes throughout, and only makes snarky comments when her father is around. She was the only one who wasn't mean to Charlie (well Mike wasn't either I suppose). It really is her father's fault that she ended up spoiled. Wonka did a good job in realizing that and making sure that he was punished as well (he's the only parent who met a bad downfall among all 5).
Kafss she only introduced herself because she wanted the prize. and i would agree, it is the parents fault on why the children are spoilt, maybe wonka should have punished the parents too
Kafss Only Augustus and Violet were mean to Charlie. And I would say it was all the parents' faults for how their children ended up. Bad children aren't inherently bad; they have to be raised in such a way to where they're allowed to act like that. Also, what do you mean she only makes snarky comments when her father is around? Are you saying she's a nicer person when he's not around?
...and the movie would go from dark to gorey as well as PG to PG-13. If Tim Burton were make Charlie & the Chocolate Factory even more darker and twisted than it already is, I feel like he would probably use that twist to throw us off.
songofthesouthfan2 I think given roald dahl logic, he saw the golden tickets winners on TV and devised the tour with plans for their punishment based on their faults, (Gluttony for augustus, gum chewing for Violet, Verruca's greed and spoilt attitude, and Mike's interest in Television and video games, for which he saved him for last.), the last entrant was poor kid he couldn't find fault in, which was Charlie Bucket, except he didn't understand how a poor kid could love his parents more than what he offered, putting Willy Wonka at fault and not the kid indeed.
What I like about the movie, though, is that it's never clear if Wonka did plan everything or not. I personally think that he knew Charlie would win the special prize at the end just from seeing the interviews of the children on TV, but didn't intend on the kids actually getting into dangerous situations since he always tries to convince them not to do whatever it is that they do.
The only thing I remember about the song from the book was from Violet who sang about a woman who chewed so much gum she ended up chewing her tongue off, which apparently the movie sings about too.
Very LOOSELY taken from the book. They only take certain phrases and repeat them over and over. The songs from the book are really long and far wordier than these...but to be fair, pretty much any movie adaption of this book would have had to shorten or change the songs somehow.
Veruca: Daddy, I want a flying glass elevator. Mr. Salt: The only thing your getting today is a bath and that's final. Veruca: *points out that Mr. Salt also was in the garbage chute, so he also needs a bath*
Does anyone else find it oddly ironic that the two movies titles felt misleading? Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory - Main focus is Charlie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Main focus is Willy Wonka
I guess that in Charlie And The Chocolate Factory, it focuses on Charlie because he's a saint compared to the old Charlie. The old Charlie was being a little selfish which is one of the reasons why Ronald Dahl hated the old film. But Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory focuses on Willy Wonka because he was the better person in the film. But I don't know, that's my own theory.
@@thanatosvorigan4986 Well in the 1971 movie, Charlie is better because he actually acts like a kid. Sure he cries when he doesn't get the ticket, but any kid would cry when their dream is crushed. Sure he's a little selfish, what kid isn't? But I think that gets made up for with Wonka's test at the end of the movie which he passes. In the new one, Charlie is a perfect child. He doesn't act like a real kid as he is too perfect and rather bland in that movie. He doesn't have a test to go through because there was no damning qualities to him.
@@simonster-9094 Why do you have such a problem with the remake Charlie? That's what he's supposed to be like since the newer movie is a lot more faithful to the book. You're acting like it's a sin for a child to have a good heart.
@@thanatosvorigan4986 I'm not saying the 2005 Charlie is bad, I'm just saying the 1971 Charlie is more relateable because he has more emotions like a regular kid would, but still has a good heart.
those Squirrels are NOT Computer Generated according to the Wikipedia. The animals were trained every day for 10 weeks before filming commenced. They began their coaching while newborns, fed by bottles to form relationships with human trainers. The squirrels were each taught how to sit upon a little blue bar stool, tap and then open a walnut, and deposit its meat onto a conveyor belt. "Ultimately, the scene was supplemented by CGI and animatronics," Burton said, "but for the close-ups and the main action, they're the real thing.
***** They're real when they jump on her, however they used a stunt double for that shot. They're only CGI when they pin her down, knock on her head, and drag her into the garbage chute.
HE SAID THAT SHE AS GOING TO THE INCNERATOR!!!!! WTF!!! CHARLIE YOU WENT THROUGH THIS HEN YOU WERE A KID AND NOW YOU ARE GOINGTOBE KILLING MORE PEOPLE!!
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure anyone can definitively say which version was closer to the book (which I have read). I always heard that the Burton version was much closer (mostly by those who prefer the Burton film), but when I read it, I didn't see that as being glaringly obvious. Both films deviate from the book a little, but in different ways. Now I will say the Burton version is probably more accurate in what it includes...like Charley's dad and his job at the toothpaste factory, the story of Prince Pondicherry and his chocolate palace, the squirrel scene (instead of geese). As far as dialogue goes, it's hard to say. Both films include lines from the book that the other film does not in some places so I would say that's a toss up. But what stops me from saying the Burton version is definitely more faithful to the book is the plot about Willy Wonka's childhood, Willy Wonka's dad, and really the whole focus on Willy Wonka in general. That one plot point permeates the entire movie as soon as Willy Wonka is introduced, and the story is supposed to be about Charlie, not Willy Wonka. If that element were removed, then the Burton film would hands down be closer to the book. But that added story angle makes it quite different. If I was absolutely forced to pick one, I would probabably say the Burton version is closer (even though I much prefer the original 1971 version with Gene Wilder), but I don't get at all why people are acting like it was by far closer to the book. Both movies take liberties with the ending, the Burton one FAR more so. The book ending basically has all the children being weeded out except for Charlie, Willy Wonka telling him he got the factory, they go to his house, and just immediately take the rest of his family back to live at the factory. The End. The whole plot with the gobstoppers and Slugworth isn't in the book like it is in the 1971, neither is Wonka reacting and getting mad at the end to test Charlie.
ddivincenzo1 I don't know about the other scenes. But in the original movie you don't see Veruca's dad get his ass kicked by a squirrel. MV96 I don't know about this movie, but in the original, the low-quality candy bars were made of wood.
I just noticed that all of the songs sung by the Oompa-Loompas have the same lyrics from the book. Some parts were taken out to shorten it, but it really is closer to the movie than the original movie.
Veruca Salt The little brute Has just gone down the garbage chute And she will meet, as she descends A rather different set of friends (x3) A fish head for example cut This morning from a halibut An oyster from an oyster stew A steak that no one else would chew And lots of others things as well Each with its rather Horrid smell (x2) These are Verucas newfound friends As she will meet as she descends These are Verucas newfound friends ~Instrumental~ Who went and spoiled her who indeed? Who pandered to her every need? Who turned her into such a brat? Why the culprits? Who did that? The guilty ones, now this is sad Dear old mum, and loving dad
The best moment in the whole film is when Johnny Depp says 'To the incinerator'. He perfectly, brilliantly captures the restrained-but-not-really glee.
I love when people say they don't like this version because it doesn't tell a story. For one, it gives you the entire backdrop to Mr. Wonka's chocolatey fond heart and how he basically started this factory from scratch. That's an incentive and a motive for the younger generation. It shows the actual hardships endured by lower class families, aka the story line of the bucket family. It shows each story line of the other four lucky finders as well, for entertainment and it obviously helps aid your mind for how these kids were raised. The lyrics to every Oompa loopa song is completely original straight from the book and it flows with it's own creatively impressive decade twist. The fact that Gene Wilder or anyone else wouldn't want to see this movie is beyond my comprehension.. And to be honest I was even exposed to the original Willy Wonka longer and I still would watch this one over it any day.
We can agree to disagree. I agree with Nostalgia Critic about Willy Wonka being better because...even though Charlie wasn't part of the title, the plot found a way to make him a meaningful character, and he had an important choice to make at the end of the story. November 28, 2018, 8:51pm
Do people actually use "it doesn't tell a story" as a reason to prefer the original? The 1971 version is filled with those strange cutaway gags that disrupt the main plot
The last part Id have to disagree I think they’re both good and I can’t say I like one more than the other but bravo for this comment because I agree completely!!!
I’m also a bit curious if the reason Gene Wilder wouldn’t see it is because he was battling alzheimers and he didn’t want to confuse himself and wanted to remember it when he did it….
I hate when people insult this movie, but what annoys me even more is when people call it a REMAKE!!! IT IS NOT A FUCKING REMAKE!!!! This is an original take from Tim Burton, he was not making an attempt to outshine the previous movie, he was trying to create Roald Dahl's strangely charming but creepy world. Saying this is a remake is like saying that Nolan's Batman was a remake of Burton's. It wasn't, it was two different directors each taking a go at creating the world. You can prefer one or the other, but just because I prefer Nolan's batman to Burton's, you don't find me hating on the1989 Batman movie. Just appreciate both movies for what they are instead of starting a pointless argument.....
YES thank you! This movie is a lot more true to the actual book, the other one was more like a nice, sugar coated version of it. It's great for the nostalgia, but honestly I prefer this version better.
I agree it wasn't a remake. This version though I don't think is very good (sorry to disagree with you) actually has great music, a pretty fun adventure and a fair enough cast. The first one is sort a classic because how touching it is. Looking back on it, I don't think either is worth seeing as an adult. Not that either one sucks just because if you seen the touching classic, you probably seen it as a child and outseen it over and over again. And seeing this one now is like The Brave Little Toaster after Toy Story. In other words, it's not that its bad, just once what else you saw people could meet it's just not the same. Again I don't think it's a bad movie, just one that was made to early.
Jackie Newberry Oh, I see where you are coming from. From that point of view I get why you and others prefer the old one to this one. Thank you for actually saying or well typing that because I never really got why people hated this movie. Most people just said they hated it because Depp's Willy Wonka, they thought it was just too weird or *sigh* it was a remake and remakes suck. And hey don't be sorry for disagreeing ;)
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***** I know. I was kind of pointing it out to the remake haters, to kind of point out the book itself was about as dark as this film....minus the daddy issues Wonka's going through.
LYRICS: veruca salt the little brute, has just gone down the garbage chute, and she will meet as she decends, a rather different set of friends, a rather different set of friends!(x2) a fish for an example cut, this morning from a haribut, an oyster from an oyster stew, a piece of meat no one would chew, and lots of other things as well, each with a rather horrid smell! horrid smell! these are veruca's newfound friends! that she will meet as she decends! these are veruca's newfound fr-ie-nds!! (instrumental) with ahhhs who went and spoiled her? who indeed? who pandered to her every need? who turned her into such a brat? who are the culprits? who did that? the guilty ones, now this is sad, dear old mom and loving dad.
I still can't hear "Brute". I'm literally in a completely silent room smashing these headphones, which are good headphones, against my ears and I hear "Brit" every damn time.
MediaLover194 ok that explains why it's in there! :D But like... who got in their house and stole that thing from the wall?? :'D (I know it doesn't really matter and that there's no real explanation :D)
Me too. It's always so satisfying to see someone else pay for their sins. Complicated interparental relationship. Obviously, the parents hate their daughter violently. That's why they named her Veruca. Then, to hide this fact from themselves and the world, they spoil her magnificently and turn her into a superbrat. Sort of hidden dark prophecy being fulfilled.
Mike Walk I kinda liked Mr. Salt (in the 1971 version) a *ALOT* better than his rotten daughter. He was funny. The dads in the 71 one were funny and I like the one Mom (Mrs. Tevee) that one. Mr. Salt probably spoiled his daughter because she kicked him and she was kind of mean and scary to children (NOT Charlie, but the girl who one the golden ticket, that she didn't find herself). The girl in real life seemed nice, though.
They should have had a different song instead for this scene. And it sounds like this: 2011 Kati Wolf - What About My Dreams? (Main Version) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KYF0unv2e8c.html It came from the TV show: Eurovision 2011.
Anyone who prefers the 1971 songs out of nostalgia needs to immediately watch this scene. Hands down, this song (and all songs) surpasses the original by a longshot.
The strange coincidence with the 71 version and this one is striking. The 71 version had different Oompa Loompas but one size fits all song for the kids, and this version had identical Oompa Loompas but unique songs for the kids.
Lord Prince Zuko nope only the 1971 version, he wanted Squirrels checking if a nut is good or not, and not golden geese that lays a good or bad egg. he truly hated it so much, he demanded the title be changed to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factory, the book is Charlie and the Chocolate factory, The Dahl Family loved Burton's portrayal of James and the Giant Peach, so he was perfect for the task of directing the 2005 version..
Da Triton I like both versions. I like the visuals of the modern one but I think the plotline with his father was quite boring. The original one wasn't so entertaining but it has Gene Wilder who portrayed Wonka amazingly. I really love his performance and there were really good songs (Candyman Can, Golden ticket, Pure Imagination)
Lord Prince Zuko I'm Talking about TIM BURTON!!! Okay, so Tim Burton Produced James and the Giant Peach, the movie was marketed at the time as Tim Burton's James and the Giant Peach when i went to see it.
Lol you ppl whinning about the original being better. That egg room part was boring. She runs around to sing then drops to the garbage? Btw Nutroom actually happens in the real book! Something that the old movie changed.
The new one has better parts than the original for sure. The other kids and parents are way more intresting in this one for one thing. The only thing I dislike about this scene is the song but that's just me tbh.
i'm sure we ALL know this but that face that willy made when he was opening the gate pretty much YELLS that he KNOWS what he's doing. XD this scene gets to me everytime.
Fun Fact:Though in the West End and UK tour musical Veruca is thrown to the garbage chute,in the Broadway version they decided to go a little bit further.
@1:50 🎵🎵 *_a rather different set of friends, a rather different set of friends_* 🎵🎵love that part!!😂😂the singing and music for most part of the movie really sounds like some Beatles inspired music!!👍👍
You now what...? I liked both movies! So shut the hell up with all the arguing on which one is better. It's preference. Both movies are excellent. If you liked the original, pure nostalgia and y'all grew up with it. If you liked this one, it's cause you liked it enough to see it, cause y'all are more likely to be older (not saying anybody is old) seeing the older version first.
I like this one better than the older version cause it has more songs, then the other one. Although, they're both really good. The last time I've watched them. Keep up the good work.
I love this song and I also love how all of the makeup they put on Jonny Depp doesn't even look like him and I think that is so cool. I mean if u look at Jonny Depp today he doesn't even look like that the makeup artist did a awesome job.
The part of the song that goes "And lots of other things as well, Each with a rather horrid smell" is actually from "George's Marvelous Medicine", one of Dahl's other books. It's part of the song George sings as he stirs the soup pot containing his strange brew while it cooks.
When I first watched this movie, I was kind of creeped out by how dark and weird each kid disappears. But a few years later, i've grown to enjoy the movie more and I can watch it over and over again (even though my parents don't really care much for it and like the original better)
its funny, any other film if it divulged so far form the book you'd have tonnes of fans complaining, how dare they not do it like the book. This one is very close to the book and the least accurate one gets prefered. Swear I remember dhal hating the original version
I think I read somewhere that Roald Dahl told them that they couldn't call it Charlie and the Chocolate Factory as it didn't represent how he wanted the books portrayed. I like both films, the 1971 version mostly for nostalgia and the remake for quality.
Veruca salt , the little brute, has just gone down the garbage chute, and she will meet as she descends, a rather different set of friends,a rather different set of friends, a rather different SET OF FRIENDS! A fish and for example that, this morning from a halibut, an oyster from an oyster stew, a dream that no-one else would chew, and lots of other things as well, each with a rather horrid smeeeeeeell... horrid smeeeeeeell.... these are Veruca's new found friends, that she will meet as she descends, these are Veruca's new found friieeeeennnnndddddssssss! INSTRUMENTAL! Witness spoiled her, who indeed? Who pandered of her every need? Who turned her into such a brat? Why the culprits? Who did that? The guilty ones, now this is sad, dear old glum, and lovin....DOWN! if anybody is wondering what that is, that is the song!
Connor Backtrom Yeah because dreams are chewable in the first place. XD I'm very sure it was "A steak no one else would chew" (seen as how i don't know, the oompaloompa was holding a steak?)
I think what you have to realize is that Wonka planned to rid four out of the five kids in a series of tests. Each test is designed to play to each of the children's weaknesses Augustus (food), Veruca (greed), Violet (competition, record holder), Mike (television/video games). And as per the original there was a second wave of test, Slugworth and the ever-lasting-gobb-stopper. So Wonka knows from the very beginning what is going to happen and who is going to fail where. No intention to kill.
I didn't like this movie much in comparison to the original Willy Wonka, but I did like this number because it reflects the mental instability of Willy Wonka (at least in THIS movie). Just look at his face when he lets Mr. Salt in and when he's dancing to the Oompa Loompa's song.....how do say "Sociopath" in Oompa-Loompish? It shows how much both he and his workers enjoy the prospect of this little girl, who could possibly be dead at this point, it's creepy. Also the tune is nicer to listen to than the rest of the soundtrack in this movie.
Bet Veruca was scared of squirrels after that. And probably having nightmares about garbage. "A rather different set of friends" eh? Since when did she have a set of friends to begin with?
Veruca's father was the only one to really learned his lesson while the other parents were only concerned for the outcome of their child after the factory.
This scene is sad. I mean how the Oompa-Lumpas just through it onto Veruca's father's face that he has been a terrible father in his entire life. Also, that garbage chute always kinda creeped me. It really looks like a black hole.
