Video Game Patches Are Borderline Illegal 

This video goes HARD in the second half. Feel free to screenshot.

The thing that really frustrates me is when a 50GB single player game gets a 60GB update. If suddenly the game content was doubled, that would be cool, it's never that though. Most of the time it's all DLC, or micro transaction related. They want me to have immediate access to whatever I decide to buy as soon as I decide to buy it, wether I decide to buy it, or not.

100% agreed. Remember those days when you bought a game, took it home, and played it? That was it, no changes, no tweaks, no constant meddling from the developer's side. We the gamers are encouraging this by continuing to buy into it with every game.

Growing up playing games in the 80's and 90's and seeing how games are now, has made me shake my head. Sure, there were plenty of bad games back then. But the game you bought was the finished product. Zelda was done and worked as intended, Metroids controls worked and the game didn't randomly crash because the developers thought that they could release a day one patch. Day one patches are the most despicable and horrible practice outside of MTX/DLC. Every single game comes with a day one patch nowadays. I just want a game that is finished and works as intended on day one.

This happened with 2k too and it infuriated me. They added shot stick aiming (in addition to the legacy shot timing) to 2k21 and Mike Wang (lead gameplay dev) pitched it to the community as the solution to building in a skill gap. The aiming mechanic was really finicky, but once mastered, you could become a way better shooter than those using shot timing. I took the bait and spent a year becoming one such person who put in the time and effort to master the mechanic. Most players did not, including those who were complaining about no skill gap in the first place. Result was that they relentlessly bitched about it to Mike Wang. When they started advertising 2k22 they specifically stated shot aiming would remain. Few weeks later I buy it, only to spend the next couple hours frantically researching trying to enable it only to find out it was removed right before launch. Moreover, the 2k21 online servers aren’t even active even tho it’s only been a couple years. So not only did I lose my competitive advantage, I also lost my ability to use all my excellent player builds and in-game purchases that I spent untold hours and dollars on in online gameplay. All because I don’t keep buying their very slightly updated version year over year. I was so mad I haven’t played 2k since, including the 2k22 I was tricked into buying. Then I made a Twitter account specifically to tell Mike Wang how he is a loser with no vision or leadership abilities because that’s the only thing I could think of doing to cope.

This is quality. It’s like entertaining investigative journalism. Also, to add to the “stealing”. By adding gigs upon gigs of updates they are also stealing hard drive space. I’m about to drop a chunk of money on a ps5 hard drive upgrade and updates are killing me.

Glad someone is talking about this. Gaming "journalists" dont ever touch these subjects. They should, but they are obviously all dependent on game codes, travels paid by publishing companies, etc. so they are completely biased (kind of.. well.. corrupt essentially). So I doubt the IGNs and Gamespots and whatnots would ever do such an in depth piece as this. Good job!

I definitely believe patches are important, as mistakes need fixing sometimes, and balance patches have a place too, it would suck if you brought a multiplayer game and one character was way too powerful and couldn’t be beaten. I really hate the way the current industry is using them as a crutch though, I think it’s honestly one of the reasons why I’m yet to get into modern gaming, if I had a 100gb patch I would need to buy another hard drive and leave my computer on for several days straight with no interruptions, and I just couldn’t work with that.

Man I really think you're gonna end up one of the most popular gaming channels on the platform -- your engagement is like, a third of your sub count. Absolutely incredible work, as always.

it's such an awesome feeling when someone is able to put into words frustrations you've felt for years, thanks

I don't typically comment on videos and I know this'll just be a drop in the sea of comments but I really fucking hope you make it big man, these videos are hilarious and constantly keep me engaged. Thank you for trying as hard on videos as you do.

This is what I always complain about when it comes to League of Legends, it's constantly new champions progressively becoming more and more overloaded with mechanics so that one skill is not just a dash, but a dash that roots, slows and turns you invisible for 1.5 seconds. When you compare newer champions to older champions it becomes obvious how power creep grew over time. The game is so different now to how it was even only a couple years ago. Edit: It is the same with items having several effects and many more items having active skills that are loaded with damage and utility. The items have changed so drastically.

This is why I’ve known since I was a kid, when Halo and all that was taking over, there was something inherently wrong with online gaming. It’s been a path to stripping players of their freedom since day one.

I've only watched the first minute so far but I have to say: Your editing is just absolutely mesmerizing. I usually just let most videos play in the background, but the amount of love and attention you put into every single second of your videos is stunning. It's so dense, and so entertaining! 👏 👏 👏

One of my favorite games to play right now is Battlefield 4. It started out a broken mess, but after a couple years of patching, brought it to be one of the most balanced shooters I've ever played. And it's very complex in terms of what items are available to you. To this day I'm still finding new ways to play this almost 10 year old shooter. With that said, your editing is far too good for a 29k sub channel. You deserve to be around 1mill with this production quality.

Dude, this video opened my eyes. THANK YOU for making it. I'm going to be more cautious when buying add-ons and DLC, because, well, we know they're not going to stop being predators if it's making them money. Fantastic vid dude. I'm waitin for you to blow up with millions of viewers any day now.

It's so stupid that all these issues could be solved with just waiting and testing more and finally putting it in a public test server before finally adding it to a game. That way people can get a feel for the operator to see if their inclined to purchase

Agree about having more buffs than nerfs. Completely disagree about stopping fixes/patches/updates for games.

I'm not seeing anyone mention that smooth as hell pen flip toss at 3:25.

What needs to happen is a version control system like git. Every tiny thing that changes from patch to patch should be revertable on the player's side. Some games kinda do this, with titles like zomboid keeping major game releases archived in the "betas" section on steam but overall you're just kinda screwed if the devs don't feel like paying that sort of attention. Another big issue is server support, since most modern multiplayer games don't let you host your own server (for literally no reason) you're stuck relying on the devs to support older versions. Or they could literally just *provide some degree of mod support.*

your channel is going to skyrocket soon enough, thank you for all this amazing content. i binge watched your whole channel 2 weeks ago and now im just eagerly waiting for new uploads

This is why I've always liked FFXIV's approach to adding in new classes, the game isn't balanced around how much damage or healing or whatever on the individual as much as it is on knowing the content, and maintaining maximum uptime, meaning that your party's dps as a whole is important, and doing mechanics makes sure no one dies losing out on that DPS. This means essentially EVERYTHING is viable, at the highest levels of play. It doesn't matter what class you're playing. And very rarely do they outright nerf for no reason, instead choosing to rework classes that have become inefficient or aren't where they should be. And making minor tweaks elsewhere to create a more happy medium.

Patches/Nerfs/Balancing are vital. People want more content which creates more complexity as you stated. Now Siege has like 60 operators. Things that weren’t OP with 20 operators become OP at 60. I think the only issue is if they are intentionally releasing things OP so people buy them knowing they will nerf them immediately. I’d like to think this doesn’t happen, but I’m sure it does some. I think in online games you have to accept your play style, op choices, etc. will have to change at some point. Might not always feel fun at first losing something you enjoyed or something you enjoyed change but ultimately it does keep the game from getting stale. Forces you to learn and try new things and find something else to enjoy if that thing has become problematic for the health of the game. I think that is a good thing for continued enjoyment. PS: Old House was still ass.

so glad to have found this channel - love seeing such high-quality, passion-filled content! Cheers!

I definitely understand and mostly agree with the frustration of patches potentially removing your favorite play style, but I don't think the solution is to just not have patches anymore. More playtesting is definitely going to help solve some issues, but there are always going to be unforseen consequences to any content you want to add as a developer. I can't believe I'm actually going to use them as a positive example here, but Dead by Daylight is actually pretty good with how they do balance changes. Whenever they release a new character, they have a Player Test Build to let the community try things out and essentially assist the devs in playtesting the game (or realistically playtesting the game for them) so they can get more and better data. Additionally, when they make changes to killers (survivors are all just reskins) they usually either make smaller nerfs or offer a buff elsewhere in that killer's kit. This does rarely lead to killers losing legitimate play styles, like how Ninja Deathslinger isn't a thing anymore, but more often than not the changes are at least attempting to let people play how they want without that way being overpowered. Of course, since DbD is asymmetrical, balancing is a nightmare, and with the MMR system everybody is using the same 8 perks because they're the strongest, and it feels like creative expression in the game is dead because why be creative when you can win instead, but I did say I can't believe I'm using them as a positive lol

I honestly can't belive how blind I've become to this, and now that im aware of it im pissed lol. It really is just standard practice nowadays. Even games that aren't even that old in retrospect like BO1, MW, etc. Rarely had balancing updates. Everything was just the way it was. Sure there would be exploits/bugs that were patched, but the core game stayed virtually the same. I miss those days... You would get on to see a new update and actually be excited because it usually meant new stuff was being added to the game. Not just a useless 45gb update changing everything.

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Bro if your content keeps being this funny and at the same time very informative, you'll get to 1M in no time. Keep it up

Holy shit. This is so well made. I looked at the view count expecting it to be in the millions.. And so disappointed to see how little attention it's getting. This is such an important message to the gaming community, it's something consumers should be thinking about. I hope this channel starts taking off. The gaming community needs more channels like this to wake gamers up to the b.s. going on in the industry..

Greatest guy to pop up on my RU-vid this year.

The editing and comedy of this channel is amazing so I was shocked to see there wasn't at least a million subscribers,. especially given this video is over a year old, is just absurd! Keep up the amazing work

A big thing about Melee that no one talks about is that it did have a balance patch. The pal version made characters like fox and Marth a bit weaker, but no one plays it anymore. Partially because America has the biggest player base, but mainly because people want to use the stronger versions of those characters.

I've been saying for a long time that there's no longer a that sense of anticipation with games. Or at least not at all like it used to be when you'd get the game home and rush immediately to the console, carefully pluck the disc from the case and set it in the console to then boot it up, watch intro FMVs and jump right into the action without downloads ruining everything. Even _after_ purchase, any excitement you'd have to play is curtailed by updates for game or console. Even on single-player games, you're REQUIRED to follow through with these time-killing updates otherwise the console throws a fit and threatens to sign you out if you try to do anything before performing updates. Cheap, always online "live service" games, updates, constant bugs, complete games butchered to sell in chunks to make sure they eke out that $100 from you, always running the risk of arbitrarily having content/playability of the game you paid $100+ for, taken away when publishers feel like it, and terrible experiences from unavoidable PvP sweats/trolls/cheats. What a fucking nightmare modern gaming is.

Warframe's answer to this: Warframe releases and is either OP or weak and lame. If OP, leave as-is. If weak and lame... Wait a year or two, then *finally* buff them. If that is not enough... Wait a few more years, then release a total overhaul of the Warframe's ability kit.

This is exactly why I completely stopped playing competitive games in a serious way, stopped taking part in teams and tournaments. Companies unbalance everything that works, pushes new cosmetic BS and DLCs while never really fixing core issues within the game, it's just not worth the stress.

Great video! I only just discovered your channel and I’m loving it! But while I agree on your points about more buffs for balance, there is a potential problem to that: If you keep buffing everybody else to balance, eventually everybody becomes balanced, but you also lose a sense of identity This happened in world of warcraft, where by the time the 4th expansion rolled out, everybody was so buffed, all sense of class identity was lost, so they *had* to nerf things back during the next expansion. This is a HUGE oversimplification of what happened, but yeah: the point I’m trying to present is that there is a ceiling to buffing to balance.

Sell it now, fix it later or don’t who gives a sh*t? -Gaming industry at large

Early Access: Patches, He's on to us. Patches: Oh Earl, my endlessly unfinished friend. Next-Gen Rereleases: *Laughs in 7 Days to Die*

I called it years ago, but most people dismissed it as "slippery slope fallacy" Or worse, "that won't happen" to put faith in corporations is to be made a fool

I've experienced games patching my playstyle out of em before. It's caused me to stop playing and never look back every single time it happens.

The Ascent is also guilty of this but they're not making money out of the patches. They have no new content. One day they dropped a patch, nerfed players equipment and abilities and said, "You had your fun!" (actual quote). And the game is a PvE game. They're taking away our fun in a game where you should be able to be as strong as you wanted to. And speaking of making money in competitive games, you're right on the money about that. League of Legends have done this for years. They make a new Champion, make it super strong during the first couple of months of release, grab those skins money from that new champ and then finally nerfing it... Before introducing a new Champion again. I think they're releasing 4-6 new Champions a year now since last year.

Masterfully spoken and well edited! You are a criminally under-appreciated creator.

The gasp I let out when that fake desk went into your side 😢 I felt that, brother

Usually I just put youtube videos on in the background but with your gold editing I just have to watch in full

What a emotional roller coaster right here! Came to watch expecting nothing, emotions went down when it felt if will be complaining about big patch sizes and how often they are, but then it hit right in the spot - nerfs and buffs, and DLC exploits! And on top of that - highly appreciated the high production value of the video you are adding to it - very well done.

He’s not lying haven’t even watched the vid yet but warzone is taking the piss all the time funny how guns get buffed when they have new skins and nerfed when a new one comes

woah, your editing is incredible. Gotta love how you just came out of nowhere with your A game

“money” Cuts to advert. I like you.

2:53 goddamn this shit killed me, fuckin dope video king. Also, COULDNT AGREE MORE.

Always with the high production value It's really a slippery slope this whole update/patching because it can really save a dumpster fire or make something fun into a joyless entertainment

Bruh how is this channel not big. It has 10x better production than 80% of the big channels

With the editing and quality of the videos on this channel, you'd expect it to have 10 times the subscribers. Top notch work.

Shoot! Whenever new “operators” or “legends” or “whatever” are introduced. It always frustrates me that they are overpowered and need nerfed. I always just accepted that they would be needed in a few weeks, it never occurred to me that the companies could be making them op on purpose with the plan of nerfing them later as a marketing strategy. People who wouldn’t buy the balanced version would buy the op one….

Played Wow since vanilla and League since launch. (Not torturing myself with them for a few years now thankfully.) But it always seemed that balancing something wasn't a huge concern, not after a relative balance was achieved. It always seemed like there was a rotating wheel of bs, nerf this and buff that, then nerf that and buff this. It got to the point where I reckoned it was only to keep it fresh. Once I was with the drooling masses that got hard off hearing patch notes, I knew that was the real reason. We were all just Pavlov's Dog.

I'm glad you tackled this. Anytime I bring up the fact that I hate patches, people go ballistic on me. I like playing the game I paid for and having it stay that way. I don't like buying a game, then a series of "updates" transforming it into something completely different and unfun.

im so glad i found this channel. theres so much effort in each video and theyre so funny

This is seriously one of the first channels I've ever turned on the notification bell for. SERIOUSLY! Triple A quality content for free!

When Borderlands 3 launched I loved to farm the right gear to melt bosses in seconds if I wanted to. I played in singleplayer after all. Problem is, the second I got the gear I wanted, gearbox patched my character and his gear so baldy that he never felt the way that made me pick him in the first place. And this process happend multiple times. It felt like the time I put into this game was worthless all of a sudden. This ruined the game for me big time.

Your newer videos are really well done. Great work bro. The editing is splendid.

this video is amazing. The humor the editing the way you presented is top tier

Next level editing right here It was super visually engaging, the pacing was good and everything flows nicely to the next video. Really impressive great work

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amazing video! you deserve way more attention, keep it up, this video alone topped most of the top youtubers, great job

They removed the house? Christ. One of me and my mates' best plays was on there rescuing a hostage. Everything they change about the game revolves around balancing the "pro" scene (impossible) instead of having fun in difficult situations.

4:48 I disagree on that being an issue. Expecially if the exploit is due to a bug. The alternative is power-creep. There is a saying that "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." ... Ultimately, thoguh, it depends on how much the developers truely care about the community, and how much creative agency the corporate side allows those developers to have.

Oh my actual fucking god!!! So much effort was put into your videos! Seems like you spent ages just by making them! Please, tell me, how didn't you burn out already? I need this sacred knowledge! (besides actual passion that shines through you, maybe you have one more secret?)

I'd just like to say I'm here before you hit a million subs. This amount of editing and skits will burn out anyone and I hope you keep going. You deserve greatness because you have something not most have.....a dope necklace. And content i guess but mostly a sick necklace.

You unlocked a core memory there with the THPSIII foundry map!

DUDE I have been saying this for years, I've been playing fighting games since early 2010/late 2009, and not only as a game design student, but as someone who plays games competitively, the way people balance games, pisses me off, sure it takes more effort to buff someone to your own level, but it's much better for retaining your playerbase, because you can still play the way you want to play, just other people have tools to play around it, vs. your playstyle getting totally gutted

Dude this channel is insane the level of presentation is off the chart, I'll drop a Sub for someone who clearly put time and effort into their content

Just the title alone had me realizing exactly what you meant and I am ashamed I needed you to point it out to me lol. Found you from the Dishonored video, you do great work. Never stop! Btw if you edit this, even more props cuz I know this takes a fk ton of work.

Just discovered your channel and have been binge watching your vids. Man your channel is awesome.

Here before you get more famous than you could ever imagine. You put so much work into these videos, We can see the effort. They're intriguing, fun to watch. And keeps me on this channel wanting more. Keep it up man! I'll always be a diehard supporter of yours.

I subscribed when you said “I was sitting down, eating my boogers..” I had to pause from how hard I laughed. You earned my sub. 😂

I think the updates past year 4 in siege is genuinely what killed the game for me

Imagine buying a car that has no wheels- that’s exactly what happens when you buy a game. Good channel and you are hilarious

Your right, patches used to be the result of players blatantly cheating or rampant exploitation of a glitch, but since all the pay to win garbage ass developers came along it's usually just done just to boost in game purchases . I wont touch free to play games like fortnite . I know people who spend more on that nonsense in a month than there console costed .

The first time you get a notification from a person you've just subscribed to is always the most memorable one. I can tell i'm in for a ride just from the first few seconds after the eyecatchy intro. Edit: incredible video.... welp. see you in a JonTron amount of months.

That intro was hilarious. Literally my experience when first got my xbone and a copy of dying light. I was so confused.

Your little music clips go so hard. jamjars theme from banjo tooie and even more from dk 64.

It's shit like this why I recommend everyone wait a year after a game or it's DLC has come out before spending any money, since this tumor exists partially because we keep sticking our heads in the proverbial nuclear waste. If we all stop buying games day 1, they can't just toss a patch out of nowhere that completely invalidates what we originally bought, or get caught off guard by a bloated patch. It would also force companies to build back their reputations by making actually good games to entice customers.

Your videos are the embodiment of everything about this industry that's been pissing me off! Nobody's talking about this stuff and I don't get it! So thanks man!

so much money and time iv spent on siege i dont think ill be able to cope this loss

Man, your vids are so well produced, I'm gonna enjoy waching your channel explode. Great content man!

The three days grace scene made my entire 2021. I used to watch that music video on my PSP Demo disc! Also congrats on the 10k it's going to be 100k before the next.

Just found this channel an hour ago, and I can't stop smiling this entire time - the videos are just so fun, cozy, and also informative! Liked, subbed, and turned on notifications because I legit want to see what you do next. Good luck! :D

Wow didn't know you knew about melee like that. Really cool.

damn man, a lot of effort seem to be poured on this video. and you totally have the youtube personality. youtube suggested your video and seems like your channel won't stay at 50k for long. keep it up, good luck!

The amount of work and editing In the first one minute of this video would take me 3 weeks to replicate. These videos are mind blowing and informative!

You make a lot of valid points and I do miss games that come out as is. However, there are many fighters that are released with big mistakes that do need adjusting. I wish there was like a 1 patch rule or something. Unfortunately as you said, because they know they can patch it up they don't bother balancing initially anymore.

dude your editing and videos are so entertaining! more Manley Reviews

The amount of effort and detail you put into every video is stunning.

It's pretty clear to me there that you approached this from a R6Siege/Counter Strike perspective and tried to apply this to broader gaming because you assumed it works similarily there... but I'm afraid that is not an issue that broadly applies to gaming as a whole. Just a small section of it, and in some games patches/tuning are something actively anticipated by players. Take World of Warcraft, for example. It's a game that has both PvE and PvP in it, and you can see players constantly asking for fine-tuning from the developers because a balanced experience is quite clearly what they want. It is not used as a sort of predatory monetisation scheme (it's a subscription-based MMORPG and the cash shop does not shower you in player power or provide character unlocks), and the approach of "buff everyone to the level of highest performer instead of nerfing the outliers" doesn't always work out because doing so without exceptions would have impacted the difficulty of PvE encounters by making them way too easy when everyone's power levels are astronomically high. The philosophy there is also that you should be able to create a character and stick to it, which would've been made impossible if we agreed that balance patches are bad even if it leaves some of the classes incapable of being even remotely competitive. Your points might be sound for Siege or Counter Strike where there doesn't seem to be an attachment to the characters/guns you're playing (correct me if I'm wrong), but there are games where no longer bringing in patches would've been their swift deaths and frequent tuning patches are not a predatory practice. But still, even if I cannot agree with you putting something like World of Warcraft in the video, I have to admit it's very well made! You speak clearly, your arguments are valid, and the editing is brilliant. Still gave this an upvote and hoping to see more content from you :o

I was browsing YT once and I saw a vid of one Russian Pay-Day 2 YTber, who told one interesting story. That game is still alive just because of DLCs and dedicated playerbase. Devs added medieval-themed DLC once, but sales went horrible, because who would want to buy a crossbow to shoot once in 4 seconds while you can get a normal gun that has a decent amount of damage and fire rate? So the devs just turned crossbow's damage up to a point where it could almost one-tap strongest enemies in the game. After that, when huge amount of people bought it, they nerfed it immediately lol.

Sometimes the algorithm hits, this has been one of those times! Looking forward to exploring some more of this channel.

MAN I"M STILL SO ANGRY ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF OLD HOUSE!!

this editing is absolutely mad holy shit 10/10 props to whoever animated all that nonsense!

This channel is such a hidden gem and I am so excited to be here in the beginning

I can 100% promise you that not even employees knows the User Agreements. People would be so surprised to know how many bs polices companies enforces on their customers without those polices being even mentioned in the ToS. Most notable example is how EA COMPLETELY blocks your account even if the violation occurred on a single game. There also is the fact that they straight up refuses to unlink your third party accounts or even do something as simple as changing your email and password, which I'm pretty sure it's illegal, it definitely is in the EU, but it most likely is in NA too. Videogame companies are a complete joke, there is not a single one that is worth praising anymore, if you want a suggestion, just stick with indie developers.

I wasn't ready for the Three Days Grace cameo.