As somone who commissions a lot theres a lot of artists that will send their completed works without requesting payment first. It's important for artists to be rigid about payment before even starting a commission.
Yeah, any artist that’s trusting enough to do that with me I tell them not to. I also insist on getting a watermarked or signatures version for my galleries.
That's incredibly risky! I understand the incentive and show of good faith, especially if there's a need to self-promote, but damn this is why I go through Fiver, where I absolutely must provide payment first before they start. Protects both seller and buyer and establishes a potential good working relationship if I become a return buyer.
When i was younger i would have fall for it though (actually i did, in real life): there is this strong fear to be badmouthed to others as bad artist or bad businessman or both
Id only say the sketch is a good thing to send for free first but then the artist should demand payment for the final edit. The one the commissioner will be using
Sounds like this person is made that the artist isn't subbed to them?? And that means you don't pay the artist for work (If that's what the implication is). This person is literally just a scammer.
It sounds like maybe (and this is speculation) the v tuber was using the fact that the artist doesn’t watch them as an excuse not to pay them (?) idk, obvs could be completely wrong x
@@nushia7192 true, to some it may seem like just a dick move, but what he did was an actual crime, it probably wont be pursued tho, online commissions are for some reason ignored by the law
Absolutely disgusting. Artists are such nice people. Bought a model a few months back and even though it was only delayed a few days she gave me free additions because she felt bad. Never asked for any of it. We are still friends now and we talk regularly
some are some are not. just like in anything. there will be good people and there will be bad people. Glad you had a good experience and that you and the artists are now friends.
@@markburton5292if I’m not mistaken if you know about the Kwite situation, Orion was an artist as that’s how they knew so many RU-vidrs. Orion was the bad person in that situation lying about SA and a lot of other things. So yeah don’t give anyone a free pass no matter what kind of work they do as anyone can be scum. Teachers, doctors, charity workers, religious figures, celebrities, artists, etc all have examples of people being scum.
@@markburton5292 Yeah true. I tend to know who the good artist are because they often interract with me before I even ask them for stuff. Just tend to be in similar places on the internet
@@symptomofsouls i rely more on known artists, specially if they already have a patreon, i dont commission artists that are rather small/unknown or i just haven't been following for a while, there are some that are recently starting and have excellent works tho
To confirm, I did most certainly unfollow them. Blocked as well. No time for people who blatantly disrespect artists, especially in the VTuber community where artists are so important.
it also sucks that you spent HOURS of your life to work on something that you just have to delete because some jerk didn't pay for your hard work... At that point just tell someone if you dont want the art anymore - wasting your time on anything sucks
I’m currently facing the same but opposite issue. I’ve paid for an artist to design and rig a model on fiver and after push back after push back has stopped responding. $1200 paid and so far just a concept/sketch and now silence. About to get screenshots and all evidence of payments for non work before I take it public if I do at all(I have no platform at all, totally new to everything). Just sucks seeing it happen on all sides. People should just get what they paid for and pay for what people have worked on. Just be honest…
@@mystiquelane8219 I have contacted fiverr now that I have taken all screenshots and receipts and made sure I have anything should they try to delete profile or anything - as I said, I'm very new to this so have no idea if there is a time frame so hopefully I can dispute it. Just sucks seeing it happen on all sides, last month with Bao and all the vtubers having thousands taken for work that wasn't done made me feel uneasy about my situation and now basically the same thing except this time vtuber not paying for work that's been done.
What method of payment did you use? I know PayPal, if used properly (as in, the transaction wasn’t labeled as a gift, but either an actual purchase or was an invoice sent to you) PayPal will refund you if the other person can’t provide proof they gave you the product or service you paid for. PayPal is really good protection from scams when used properly, a clear indication of someone scamming you is when they try to just make you pay them with it marked as a gift/unspecified transfer, instead of sending an invoice that specifies what product or service you’re paying them for, as they are intentionally avoiding being accountable to any promises. In general too, I would advise in the future to never part with such a large amount of money without a contract as a safeguard. I also would not have handed that much over little to no work done. A professional artist often does quick concept/sketches as apart of working out what you want and to THEN be able to give you an accurate quote for their full services. Or, they will only charge a small fee for that concept stage (typically permitting several no-extra-cost re-draws until you’re happy), then if you like it, will quote you for what the final project would be, either wanting payment in full or a percentage as a down payment before starting to work. As a safeguard to both artist and buyer, agreeing to work/pay in stages can be helpful too, after the concept stage, you’d pay just for the model (with a fixed deadline, be VERY wary of an artist who is so unfamiliar with their own process to not know how long it’ll take as that suggests they haven’t actually ever finished projects for clients before), then if you’re happy with the model, you’d pay for colouring/texturing it, then again for rigging (with a fixed deadline too) possibly also with a preview of the rig in use before sending them the payment as rigging will be the most expensive part, just to be sure when you do pay for the file to be sent, you’re actually going to be getting what you paid for and not an unusable abomination. I can tell you as an animator myself, that would be super quick and easy to do and reasonable to ask for. The artist isn’t handing over the file yet, just a quick video clip, so it’s no risk to them. Just make sure you both agree to that as a condition for payment from the very start. Staging a project like this is actually something artists are advised to do instead of risking working on a whole project only for the client to refuse to pay (even if the artist denies them the product it’s still wasted time) so no legitimate artist would be offended with a client approaching them with a desire to do business in this fashion. Also, outside of PayPal, there are actually specific banks that allow you to report transactions that were scams and will give you the money back, so check with yours as to whether you have such a service available to you. But as others have said, absolutely escalate it with Fiver and report this person. Even if you fail to get your money back, you could at least prevent them accessing anymore victims by getting them banned.
This kind of thing happened to me too. I commissioned an artist, he drew a sketch, stupid me sent the rest of the money, he never finished it. Also artists say they accept my commission and never get back to me about it. I respect art as a craft, but I will not trust artists to be reliable or follow through again. I'm going to be fine with freebies and ai art, but those betrayals still stung. I've never had a good experience commissioning art.
It is insane that I have made content for 8 years and never got away, but someone who is a legitimately disgusting person gets a brand deal with no effort!
That's life for you, Scummy people will bootlick their way or lie their way to get a brand deal while leaving lots of important people that's related to their character in the dust
@@Anugrah_Amriza It's really sad, to succeed in this world you either need immense luck or be a terrible human being, which is also why I don't watch that many streamers anymore, there's a 50/50 chance of them being utter filth... Like a few certain higher end VTubers...
These guys need a platform that takes the commission from the buyer up front and delivers the money to the artist upon delivery. This shit where you get to snag stuff and run is nauseating
That would be a fantastic system! We just also need some transparency, where both parties can log in and see that money deposited (like looking at a bank account statement-you can't withdraw from a statement, but you see how much is in there). This way, there is also no way for the third party to take the money and run or only pay out a partial payment without it being immediately evident.
@@Kira1807-uy6fe that is why reputation matters. If i know the artist has a good reputation i do not mind paying up front. if they don't then i may not. However that is a two way street. remember the vtubers that paid upfront and then did not get the services they paid for. Scammers on either side need to be called out and held responsible.
The only issue I see with that is the platform would likely take a cut of the artists profit which is not good for them. A 50% down payment sounds like the reasonable middle ground to me. Most scammers would prob not pay a down payment.
As someone who has commissioned many over the years, if your potential client isn't offering to at least pay half at the sketch stage then do not go any further. And when you reach the end, only preview a low quality version until they pay in full.
I've been doing this with artists I commission over the years even when they don't ask for it. I've always been doing it 25% up front, another 25% at around the half way mark, and then the last half when it's done. Although not really anymore, since I only buy from 2 artists I've been working together with for between 6-10 years. Those 2 I pay upfront, then give a little bonus when it's done, because we've been working together for so long. Also sometimes I request 1 piece from them, and get 3 different variations.
@@Deadsnake989 Likewise, I "negotiate" with my artist friend of over six years now until it's higher than what she wants and even add random cents to mess with her. It's fun.
@@EndThusIAm The one I've been working with the longest. The projects I normally ask her for, her normal price is $100. She *REFUSES* to allow me to pay her more $50. Which I get around by paying her $50 up front, and another $20 bonus when she's done. Edit: Which btw I think $100 per project is underpriced for the time, and quality of her work.
As an artist myself, the commissioner should always pay first before seeing the art, PERIOD. Its to avoid any type of scam, plus if the artist ends up not being able to due to irl problems, they can give the money back. And to the people who say "well they could make their prices cheaper...." No, art isnt cheap. My art professors always told me to charge for how many hours you put into it, charge more especially if youre using materials you bought yourself. To artists, your art is worth it, and people who see value on art will buy it(long as you are not price gouging of course). Never lower a price for someone who doesnt see the vlaue.
Yes, reputation is also important . soo it can be hard requesting payment before showing any examples. I'll say just have water marks or whatever before fully commiting to the agreement if you're new i mean.
"the commissioner should always pay first before seeing the art, PERIOD" Period? So you expect people to pay money for a custom product and not be able to see the product and make any adjustments until they have paid fully for it? I disagree with that on so many levels. Another reply gave imo the best solution. Pay X for a sketch and then another portion for a mid-development piece and then the rest for the final product. Trust me I hate seeing artists being scammed, but I also don't want to encourage this "artists are angels who would never scam" attitude because an artist could just as easily scam a commissioner and vice versa. I've seen and know of tons of artists who do payments in steps of development and it's great. I get to see progress in the artwork and decide if I want to pay for the next step of work on the piece or if I'm not fully satisfied I can ask for adjustments and pay for the additional changes or decide I don't want to continue and then both me and the artist are happy because they got paid for the work they've done so far and I got the raw sketch/first draft/whatever stage of development the piece was in. It's like any other contracted work. You pay them for the work they've done - so far - not the entire cost of the project upfront because if I did then as the buyer I'm left praying the artist doesn't ghost me and block me and run away with my money.
I do make shitty art, if i want to commission someone to do it for me it's better to put a downpayment first. There's chances that the artist is the scammer just like the commissioner, and no side likes to get scammed.
@@DaShikuXI I mean, sure I guess. That seems overly complex tho, a 50% down payment at the time of commission and then full payment before they send you the finished art (maybe after showing you it with a watermark) seems more reasonable to me. But I have never heard of artists scamming people. I’m sure it happens, but it’s almost always the other way around. Artists usually have no reason to scam anyone, it’s bad for their business if their reputation crumbles. They need happy customers.
@@YuYuYuna_ Down payment to get started, then send them either a low res image or one with watermarks and if they like it then you get the rest of the money and they get the high res image.9
Damn. The guy that made all my drawn assets is also from Indonesia. Cool dude, worth commissionning. pay your artists, folks. (his name is ashmish btw)
As someone who has commissioned artists several times…they should always get a down payment or full payment before. This is so disrespectful of their talents and beautiful artwork it makes me sad. Edit: I have used both methods and the artists for full payment have given me the art I ordered. And I don’t really care if you disagree with my take :)
Full payment is risky for the buyer but I agree with down payment. IMO the best way to do it is in steps. If a full completed and colored piece is $60 lets say then you could set incremental price points for each stage of development for you. (Just random example) you could have line art be $15, line art + base coloring be $15, 2nd to final draft be $20 and final draft be $10 for a grand total of $60 for the whole project. That way the amount of risk is drastically reduced for both parties involved. If I commissioned something with that method I could ask for a line art, pay for it, see if I want to have it colored/progressed further and then pay the next "tier" amount to get the next step of development done. The artist gets paid as they work (ease of mind for them) and the buyer gets to spend a relatively smaller amount in increments for each step rather than one big chunk where they are basically hail mary praying that the artist doesn't ghost them and run off with their money.
I do metalworking commissions sometimes and I always make the client pay for all the materials before I lift a finger on their project. It's not a direct analog to digital artwork, but I feel like the principle is still there.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor In construction that is the norm. In artistry the standard is 50-50 so they are willing to pay atleast the software material and set ups before time spent, but it also gives negotiating power for the customer for revision. I got screwed during the revision phase before so I had to redo my business because of that guy. Meanwhile my friend got screwed by an artist wholesale. It's just most art people dont have much experience dealing against scumbags. Heck, I had a 50% discount once and the client still refuses to pay upfront. Underselling also did not work. Then realizing some of them was my own friends I have met and given doubt benefit. Regardless of good intent, we all need to be brash against scammers.
Yeah, down payment is the safest option for both side of the parties. Besides that, how this artist got scammed 9-10 times and not have any measures is likely a lie. But then again, humans can be this stupid. Talent =/= intelligence.
I don’t want to get in the habit of thinking artists can’t scam a Vtuber because we have seen that in the past, but recently Vtubers have been scamming a lot of artists.
Such a shame. Always make sure you get full payment before sending the finished piece. There's a lot of shady people out there looking to get something for free.
Seriously though. No one going to make it better for artists but artists. It's the same for everything. You gotta fight for what you think is right for you.
I am so confused about cases like these. Like what does the scammer think the artist is going to do? "Oh the person who commissioned me to draw art for them has blocked me. And is refusing to pay... owell i guess im not getting my money. Guess ill move on to the next person and hope that they will pay."
They're basically hoping they'll just get away with the scam and the artist will just shake their head about how they were tricked and have to do better next time.
I was wondering something similar. I thought, “When it comes to these disrespectful messages, do they think the artist won’t post the messages for everyone to see, or do they think people who read the messages will be proud of them for fleecing and mistreating someone?” It’s arrogance either way. I would add the artist should always come forward and tell how the person cheated them. Staying silent only helps the rude scammer.
OH WOW I can't believe I got noticed by Hero Hei Edit: Regarding the "not worth watching" thing, the artist said it to the scammer out of spite after the scammer refused to pay
I think it was Pipkin Pippa who said that she likes to work with Indonesian artists because of how quick and easy to work with they are. She also compared them to American artists and how some of them have really bad work ethics that turned her off from working with that community altogether. Other Vtubers should really lambast this individual for scamming this artists. Vtubers and Artists should have a mutually beneficial relationship. People like these are harmful.
When I draw for commission, I don’t move unless I get a deposit and an email exchange. It’s sad that artists get taken advantage of, but you can avoid this by having a strict deposit policy and only removing watermarks on full payment.
Damn it's insane to me that a VTuber would scam someone when they have to maintain a public image. They're probably gonna get blacklisted by artists now and hopefully get more backlash from the community. Artists already have it tough, scamming them out of their livelihood makes you pure scum.
They wanted it in 2 days SO they could get away with this scam. Payment processing takes awhile esp. if you are a solo artist and do not have a company... My advice : Ask for at least 50% upfront and for god sake make sure the payment is processed AND cleared BEFORE you send them the finished product! Also get a company (LLC) it's not that hard and makes dealing with payment processors easier and faster.
I think it's more embarrassing that this dude can't even afford the $50 commission. That's hella cheap for a full body! And the way the scammer is trying to pull the "You're using an alt account because you're a coward!" Bruh, what else is the artist YOU BLOCKED supposed to do? 😂
I'm sorry if sound preachy or pretentious, but at this point I got nowhere else to say it. The greater love has cooled off and is probably the reason God doesn't visit us anymore.
There's a general agreement that it's bad to go after peoples sponsorships, but when the sponsorship is based off fraud I think that goes out the window.
People often go after sponsors for stupid reasons when it’s not deserved, but in this case they 100% deserve it. Scamming is horrible, they wasted that artists time and deprived them of payment.
i was their video editor, they paid me but the deal was a package deal ( so theyre suppose to hire me for more ) but after i told them off about not crediting me and taking the credit for editing it, they insulted my editing skills and it went downhill from that… i ended up making a tweet thread warning people, they asked me to take it down and promised to credit me in the description and never do it again. but they did do it again, and when we group’d together calling them out, they removed my credit.
the vtuber is actually a serial scammer. i forgot how many times exactly, but so many people mentioned that. their "method" is scam, then pretends to quit, then rebrand with a new username too. most people would forget (since they're irrelevant anyway lmfao) so it's easy for them to disappear and rebrand. in this particular case, anyone who mentions the artist's name or tells them to pay up the debt gets blocked. they then locked their account, put a bio saying they quit.
This is why I don't do commissions for random people and only friends. My friend commissioned me for a $50 profile picture and paid me as soon as he could and I put a lot of effort into getting it done right for him.
When a business or individual starts announcing delays and those delays become lengthy, the business or individual is experiencing internal problems that they are attempting to cover up with a "just business as usual" attitude. Research is crucial before becoming involved or you are forced to decide to take a loss or keep wishing for results that may lead to a loss anyway. There are circumstances beyond the business control that may have led to this and careful research into past business practices will determine whether this is a minor issue or impending financial situation.
Shit like this is why so many artists are "paranoid". It's why I think artists should always show a morphed, tiny, or low-res version of the finished product as proof that it's done and only send the full/hi-res image after they get paid.
Word of advice to artists: Don't send the goods before you're paid. It's either payment upfront or payment upon completion, NOT payment upon delivery. The second you send them the thing they want, that's it, you have no leverage, they can ghost you without a care in the world. You might lose a few commissions cos they won't trust you to not just take the money and run, but others will still use your service and positive feedback will help cover those losses by bringing in more work in the long run. The bottom line has to be your money, not their demands. And to those who commission, yes, I know this can be dangerous as some artists are scum who'll take your cash and run, but we all live in the same shit creek where various turd monsters posing as good people bubble up to the surface to dump on your life. So be sure to find artists who are trusted by many, not some random cowboy online. Look into complaints or suspicious amounts of blocked or missing comments, look for signs they're not good people and will scam you. You need to be vigilant and put in extra work to ensure your dosh is going to the right talent.
Deposit or nothing. Pay in full or nothing. You're an artist. These things are going to happen. Transactions are business. You are responsible for yourself.
Paying in full up front is how many, many people have been burned by artists in the past. Either a half now, half later approach, payment per piece approach, or payment just before recieving a piece approach (as then it's evident you've been taken in minutes and can react quicker). I'm sure there are other systems one can use out there that I'm not privy to, but paying in full then hoping the artist does the work isn't a good system, either. With that said, you are correct in that commissions are business and they need to be managed as such.
@@TwilightRogue15 Half and half seems the best way to protect both parties. That way no one will be cheated for the entire amount. It does suggest that everyone can be cheated out half, but maybe the initial deposit will keep the commissioner honest enough cause they don't want to get nothing. The artist has the incentive to finish to get all of the payment then. It's still hardly perfect however.
@@TwilightRogue15 Absolutely. Many people argue that "oh, but them the artist can scam the commissioner". Yes, they can. And that's why you only commission *expensive* art from artists who are reputable. People who have a reputation to uphold would lose much, much more by scamming someone than whatever amount they got out of the scam. There is a huge difference in value over a product for the person who makes it vs the person who buys it. For the person who makes it, it's often their livelihood. They can't afford to take risks, or cut corners, because each loss is a direct hit to the income they need to *live.* So yes, the person who makes the product calls the shots, and they have every right to be very rigid with payment policies.
@@TwilightRogue15 That's why I said that's for *expensive* works only. Of course, there is nothing wrong with trying it out with new people, but I personally would never drop $200+ in the hands of someone completely unknow.
The fact they had a queue for payment was the largest red flag I've ever seen. I'm shocked the artist didn't pick up on that either being a scammer or a highly irresponsible person.
I guess that kobalt person account got deleted by twitter or he deleted himself due to all the heat they were getting. If they were trying to become a vtuber then that is a bad way to start because now he gave themself a bad name. Now they are going to comeback later with a different name and try to start over.
@@AzakiTheDemonWhoLaughs I’m doing good :3 I still use discord but I don’t have it back yet Ive lost privileges to use discord for now due some family issues, though I’ll have the app back at some point this year.
I heard a story from a professional commercial artist whose boyfriend's boss commissioned her for company concept art, now that art design is all around L.A to do with this company, she never got a cent. It's pathetic.
When you get scammed once, that's all it takes for an artist to change their policies. I did a commission for my high school teacher. The one person I thought I could trust and knew had money. He wanted it done super quickly too. So I finished it and he refused to pay. I only asked for $25! Luckily I kept the art and refused to give it to him until he paid. He made me feel like scum for asking him for payment for the entire school year. The day of graduation, he told me he'd pay me later and that he wanted me to redo the piece completely since it wasn't what he wanted anymore. He literally had no means to contact me once I graduated, never once asked for my phone or email. So I just gave up at that point. I later sold the piece at a convention since it was generic enough. Now I ask for money upfront before I begin work on anything. Side note, I heard that teacher got fired years later for hitting a student.
Ironically, for me, it's the local clients who try to get out of paying me money for my art commissions. All my international clients thus far have never even questioned my stand on payments first before starting any commission work. Not only that, they've been extremely respectful of my time and work pace, allowing me to take my time working and take ample breaks when needed. Meanwhile, local clients have been disrespectful, always rushing me, always asking for revisions way beyond what's reasonable, and as I said earlier, will even try to get out of paying me.
Pay for the work before you get it. The artist has more reason to distrust you than you do them. Artists: only release low res, water marked works for final approval. Nothing else until payment is recieved. Not half, no installments; all of it.
imo what artists should do is send a version splashed full of watermarks until payment is met then send the unwatermarked version so at least if the commissioner is trying to scam you, you can piss them off and possibly make it so they cant use your work without people seeing who actually made it or without it looking jank if they dont know how to remove it by editing.
This is why I am glad I have a good relationship with an artist for the different commission works I have done (who happens to be Indonesian as well). I used to fork over full payments but I eventually was able to split them up as it is easier to pay the full price that way and save money. Now she even starts the next commission when the final payment of the last one goes through whenever she has free time. We discuss the poses, the references, the designs, etc for a rough draft and I begin the payments on payday. She recently had a person do something like this so me and some of her other clients gave her support. She's a nice lady who does fantastic work and is sweet as a button. We all told her to make sure to get a down payment first from here on out. As other comments have said: it takes $0 to not be a piece of shit and scammers are some of the worst people on the internet
Idk what stages there are to making the art but I think it would be fair that the artist makes something, you pay half, they finish the product and you pay the rest. One side fulfilling their side without the other one putting anything up is risky unless you're dealing with someone with a lot of credibility built up.
I've seen artiest do the "pay half first, pay the other half after showing the client the first few drafts." That's an effective way to run the business. I've also seen artiest ask for payment upfront and then they work on the commission which is as effective as well
just reminder $50 is almost half month salary to low income ppl in indonesian... for american ppl $50 isnt much but for indonesian is quite a huge deal
I cannot stress this enough to artists. Always ask your client to pay at least part of the full price of the commission before you start it. If they can’t pay right away, then don’t bother starting it until they do. There’s actually a lot of really terrible people out there who will scam you if you don’t do this.
don't do any work until you've been paid first no matter what someone says. This is coming from a very experienced artist having done commissions for 12 years.
Wow this Kobalt is a POS, really disgusting how dismissive he was, and it wasn't even a large amount he owed. Like bruv 50 isn't that much for a commiss wtf.
This is one of the reason why I don't accept commissions anymore when you do what are requested within the time frame and they make excuses like those one and delay the payment until they just scrap you off. It is painful and frustrating, I hope the artist can go through all of this and scammers will never stop no matter what.
I no longer bother with freelancing I tried for years but when the contract happens, or is brought up, look over there super man, oh shit I got a Drs. Appointment and talk around the entire thing, I got tired of that real quick.
I've commission a lot of artists and talent. it's always good to do half or full upfront payments. 1. It shows you're professional and serious, it will absolve you of any wrongdoing of the business transactions. and it shows good faith when trying to built a good working relationship. even when i wasn't satisfied with the end result I would always let them keep the money. it's just not worth the hassle to have conflict. If you are an artist definitely do upfront payments. Though if you have a great working relationship with the individual. You can be more lenient with payment if they've consistently done good business with you.
why are there more and more vtubers that start drama and embarass themselves on twitter for being terminally online, its almost like all the twitter freaks, scammers and weirdos see vtubing as an easy get rich quick method while thinking they are invincible
the pro gamer move would be for the artist to post their files on github or where ever vtuber stuff is hosted at for free with unrestricted license and advertise it around so that lots of people start using the model, meaning the scammer has to pay someone else for a unique model or look like a fool in a free model. LOL
@@exocept1998honestly not really, it’d make a donkey of the scammer, as for the art is already unfortunately a lost cause (that scammer isn’t gonna pay)
"You use alts to contact people!" *Doesnt seem to understand that that is only happening because they blocked their main* Why are people like this? Dude didnt pay them and blocked their main account. No sane person who gets that context is going to care about them using an alt to talk to someone.
Artist should always ask for payment upfront, half or in full, but always upfront. I get that sometimes is hard to put a price to your work as an artist, but people who like what you do will pay and are willing to do so. If someone doesn't want to pay upfront, well though luck for them, move on, most commissioners are willing to do so. Value what you do, the time you invested in developing your style, in acquiring your skills, and the service you provide.
If you think about it, if you pay first before you get the art, you might get scam, same if it's other way around, So in my opinion, its best is you pay half the cost first and pay another half when the art is done
Dude trying to get free raffle art out here. Mother of mercy. I feel like artists need to seriously avoid this guy. Cause he won't pay for the art HE'D requested for.
I got scammed by a "dear friend" and VTuber last year, it took almost eight months before I snapped and got my other friends involved. I was given huge promises, the dangled carrot of a computer valued at $2k, that I was going to be their "channel artist" and so much more. *Never again.*
