VTuber Tropes: Seiso 

I- huh... you know what, that's kinda true the more I think about it

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While that may be true, she somehow doesn't fit into the trope as a whole. It's not what she's known for, nor is a something that gets brought up. In the pure definition of the word you are correct.

She earns the "torturous oshi" Category

You spelled "Ina" wrong

Screaming in lowercase lol

Noooo~ w-we're not _hidesHeavyBolter_ that violent, we're _throwsMeltaGun_ just civilised people standing up for -Saint- Pika. /⁠ᐠ⁠｡⁠ꞈ⁠｡⁠ᐟ⁠\ Commissar,clenthegunkoffyourChainsword,quick.

@@ArcaneMaiden Ah, doing your duty for the Man-Emperor, I see?

A Whole chapter of Space Marine was about to drop full force on them

@@Diceboxx A good chunk, yes. I was admittedly one of the instigators, but cooler heads prevailed. XD Ofc, we're just meme'ing at this point, but back then: _The rage is genuine._

@@Nehfarius I see TTS Stands. o7

They don't show the Lewd all the time. So the fan base need to be more creative and imagination to touch the other side, and drawing is just the best way to do it XD

Ina's back is legendary.

If something is "forbidden and unreachable", it makes you want to break the rules even more. That's probably the reason why anal sex exist, or why lolis are lewded. Lewding a seiso has a much stronger impact compared to anyone else.

@@legacymse7095 Could've just said curiosity 😂

​@@legacymse7095is that why ntr is popular?

Even Ollie said that Risu maybe the most unseiso of all HoloID, alongside Iofi.

I hope there's a similar audience for male vtubers as well, as my natural way of behaving in public spaces is completely devoid of profanity and lewdness. So far, though, it has seemed to be more of a detriment, as all the successful male EN vtubers besides Shu seem to lean into language and sus behavior while people like me are wrongly labeled as fake, boring, unrelatable, and even as potential predators. (I've experienced all of those firsthand)

@@s_factor_sam Try Josuiji Shinri. From the streams I've seen he's just comfy and chill and nice with little to no lewdness or cussing.

@@stiimuli Will do

Nah, Yagoo ain't that seiso, but it usually only comes out when he's dealing with and hanging out with Holostars specifically. Make no mistake, Yagoo is one of the boys, but he conducts himself appropriately when dealing with female talents. If you want to see Yagoo unhinged, see how he interacts with Holostars.

​@@NotAGoodUsername360_IT'S MALDING TIME !!_

What’s a famous body part that starts with a B?

@@autismandgaming4532 Brow

​@@autismandgaming4532Bass??? XD

The 4th Wah

@@Naramsit 🔫🐙 No

It's only been a few weeks, eventually they'll turn to the dark side

​@@Eric-vs2henaw bro sure they might change a little in the up coming months. But fuwamoco same feeling with iroha when she debuted that she's going to be the seiso streamer. You can look at the twins past lives they was never on the yabe side.

​@@kinglightning5256 That anime she likes "School Days" indicates the path of Elite Miko. If they had Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni i would believe the seiso path.

​@@leandroiuki4337naw bro willing to bet you 3 months from now they still going to be the same. Like said samething with ina,fauna,iroha when they debuted you know what troupe they fit into. They not going to have a big transformation in months from now expect very little yabe moments from them.

​@@kinglightning5256 I don't know man, considering that one of their favorite anime is Yosuga no Sora and School days, maybe they are actually seiso but only time will tell

Been there

Keeping the dream on life support while their genmates keep bricking it.

Pekora is very Seiso to me. She might be a girl in a literal bunny suit, but she is winning the sponsorship race because she is surprisingly childhood friendly. Pekora's violent outbursts are all of the Saturday morning cartoon villain variety. Pekora is playing the role of Daffy Duck. I am not sure how much of that was acting and how much was what she is truly like. But we know that in her past life she did try to be sexual briefly. If she decided the lewd path is not for her, I am glad that she managed to succeed anyway.

@@VallenChaosValiant She is a certified kindergarten teacher, babysitter. Even her character design is a bit lewd. She wants to make her content to be family-friendly.

Wakipai!!

"Watame brings Vengeance! Revenge for Chechnya!" -Some vidya shitposter

The Watame Factory song rang in my head! WATAME WATAME WATAME MARCH WATAME WATAME WATAME FACTORY WATAME WATAME WATAME CAPTURE WATAME WATAME WATAME FACTORY WATAME WATAME WATAME SEIZE WATAME WATAME WATAME FACTORY WATAME WATAME WATAME OCCUPY WATAME WATAME WATAME FACTORY WATAME WATAME WATAME WATAME WATAME WATAME WATAME FACTORY

As a Chumbud I relate to this, I was just thinking about thinking about the Venti drama too🤬.

I hooe you guys dont have to like us pikamee fans did it's more rage inducing than fun

Wholesome lewd is a thing. Honestly, Marine is a pretty big example of it. She is one of the more openly lewd members and pretty much the most lewded one but her relationship with her chat can be rather sweet and wholesome. As for Shiori and Vtuber tropes, I haven't seen Advent interact that much (they are both new and their stream timing is also rather bad for me) but from what little I have seen and general vibes I get from Shiori (who I watched somewhat more of compared to rest of Advent) she seems to fit the leader role/trope.

Yeah! I really appreciate the attempt to categorize it, it isn't perfect but felt really close, and cover a big area of the tropes. Good job DN.

@@gokbay3057 ya, she for sure seems to be the leader, but I was asking more in terms of her classification on the seiso scale/subclasses. As far as advent goes, I’ve mostly followed Shiori but their group dynamic is really interesting. It may be too early, but they don’t seem to have a heart to me. Rather they all seem to just click so the heart isn’t any one person in particular. And each member is very distinct in terms of appeal (Fuwamoco the cinnamon roll, Nerissa the powerhouse, Bijou is more chaotic and shitposty, and Shiori the comfy(?))

I feel like Shiori is a sleeper seiso. She seems to say sus things, then quickly move on so chat doesn't have time to think about it. She's good at maintaining control.

Preach!!!

But keep in mind fellow tako: World domINAtion but slowly

A smile worth dying for. I agree.

@@floatingpasta8099 One cookie at a time

Ew

My mum loved her too, would go to war for her

True and then we add shinri too while i know he's aware of some lewd stuff, he is still seiso as content creator Might as well add Rikka, the only seiso from stars jp

Word

Agreed. You are a based person

Well Sora is referenced as "the Goddess", much to her not wanting the title, so no matter what Sora will always be viewed positively no matter what. Truthfully as far as Vtuber tropes are concerned I'd place Sora in the enigma category.

for Sora, thats her "Goddess" title that protect her, i think all Gen 0 and 1 have this protection. because if u said something mean to them, u basically dead. they dont belong to anyone and can do anything.

@@brandonhowell5096 I mean to be fair not many can match up to her in terms of seniority and experience. Also she has a lot of good will build up that many OG Vtubers even back then only have good things to say about her. She just has that Aura that no other have. You either want to worship her like a divine being or you want to protect and take care of her like she is your younger sister/kid. You get this weird dynamic a lot in her stream. Where Soratomo calls her Aka-chan (baby) since she is often pretty childish and giddy when she streams. But every now and then she flips the switch and becomes a professional giving the Soratomo life lessons or talking about the troubles in her life and then you realize “Wait a minute, she has been doing this for almost 6 years now” then you are just at aww with how she talks. Her words have a strange weight to them that I can’t really describe, that you just can’t help but kneel in respect.

@@tanvoltz4623at awe* but yes! Great speech! *nods*

Sora kinda repels being held to expectations because she's just so genuine and supportive. She's fully transparent and means everything she says. There's nothing to filter, she's just a loveable person.

Rin is actually legit asexual.

Pikamee would kind of be both sleeper seiso and cinnamon roll. I still remember the "9 years old is best" tweet

I can't be anything but the impolite of a lewdtuber. I don't even use profanity nor innuendo in my daily life and won't force myself to be fake by using such in my content. So, I guess that makes me a rare seiso indie male EN vtuber. Which kinda seems to be an anti-selling point, thus far, reducing my reach and visibility. I won't change myself for that reason, though. At this point in my life, I refuse to change for anyone besides myself. I just hope I can reach the audience that enjoys wjat I have to offer, because it's currently hard to get the visibility needed to do just that.

I would like to report a doppelgänger sighting to the time police, I’m not going to die after reading this comment am I? Seriously though, SAME. Gura perfectly toes the line between being super yabai, without making it her thing like most of NijiEN (not my thing). And being a wholesome Cinnabon.

@@Rar830 Yes! You get it! I agree too, I can't really get into NijiEN. Also doppelganger? Am I missing a reference or did you mean my and your name? Haha

​@@RawBlueI think they meant that the both of you think the same. ⊂(･ω･*⊂)

So tenma was right about giving it a bit for the mask to fall off

Seiso isn't gender bound. It's a trope for a reason. I'd say altare falls under one for the seiso subclasses

I mean he included Luca Kaneshiro for seiso, other seiso en male vtubers are Shu yamino, Ike eveland and I think ( haven't watched a lot of them but from what I've seen) Sonny brisko, doppio dropscythe and ver vermillion

I'm surprised he did not add Shinri from holostar EN on the video.

Bettel and rikka can be part of it Bettel curses a lot but isn't sexual Same goes for rikka, even if his collab partners are giving lewd jokes the contrast is just great

I'd say that we can fit the trope. I'm a living example of one who doesn't even use profanity nor innuendo in my daily life, so I'm naturally devoid of such in my content. Problem is, it seems that being such as a male vtuber more often results in a detriment to the breadth of one's appeal and reach, while female counterparts reap the benefits laid out in this video. I've personally seen people calling seiso boring, fake/not real, unrelateable, and have had someone tell me that my very nature made them suspicious of me as a potential predator. That kind of unjust negative connotation was kind of a wake-up call to how people can view a clean male vtuber. Regardless, I have no intention of being anything but my genuine self. I just hope that doing so doesn't prove to hinder me long-term, as I'd like to someday be able to afford putting more time and money into videos and streams than I'm currently able to.

Vore, mental corruption, NTR A-Chan is literally the most culture member of the company that puts Marine to shame You just won’t know if you didn’t pay attention.

​@@tanvoltz4623is that why I've recently seen rule 34 of Nodaka getting railed over an office chair while A-Chan calmly watched?