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@phonehoppy Год назад

Maybe part of the high consumption is because it is so spacious. It takes much more energy to heat up a larger volume of air, and to keep the temperature, because there are so many ways the heat gets lost from the cabin.

@chazsmith4351 Год назад

I think you're right. Good way to test would be if Bjorn could get one of the cargo vans and run the same test. The cargo van should only have to heat up the front portion of the cabin and not the cargo portion. Though there may be some leakage there. Seems that with all those windows there would be lots of heat loss.

@volkswagen_transportbilar Год назад

We did a 640 km test of the Cargo against the Pro here in Sweden (in Oct and +10 degrees, so not winter) and got 8% less energy consumption on the Cargo (23,8 KWh vs. 25.8 KWh). But then the Cargo is also almost 150 kg lighter in the spec we used.

@ramblerandy2397 Год назад

Sat in my ID3 during break and Bjorn is setting off the Voice Command feature with all his ID references. 😁

@tesla-spectre Год назад

Increase of 18-25% is actually pretty good from summer to cold winter, I would think. It is just that consumption as such is very high (van) and the battery in my opinion too small for a van which is often used for long trips. Many will probably even want to tow a small trailer and go about 400km at 100kmh on a highway before taking a break. That is then with trailer probably more than double of what the Buzz will manage even in summer. Ithink it could be a nice option but 9nly with a 100-120kWh battery at the very least. 🤷‍♂️

@onlineo2263 Год назад

I wanted a Buzz until I saw how poor the range was. We drive at 120kmh, and the range at that speed is terrible in all weather. Definitely needed a much larger battery 125kw+ would be ideal... But even 100kw would have been much more useful for road trips. We live in the UK and travel in school holidays so most chargers above 50kw are hard to come by and have long queues at the times we travel! Tesla has not opened up it network except at about 10-15 supercharger sites. So fast charging is not useful and there will be no ID Buzz for us. We will keep the Tesla instead.

@sergeikulichkov7748 Год назад

In my volvo v60 phev it's more than 50% 😢😢

@tesla-spectre Год назад

@@sergeikulichkov7748 that is enormous... sorry to hear. in my Model R LR it is about 10-30% (the faster the more difference) and that is already with a heat pump

@wintersun398 Год назад

@@Moody_Blues_ you cannae change the laws of physics!

@tesla-spectre Год назад

@@wintersun398 yeah that is why it needs a much bigger battery to be really useful

@Veroxzes Год назад

It’s -14C here in northern Sweden this morning. I wish you could test in this temperature. Another thing I’d like to add is that the Buzz would be even cooler if the Buzz in the center display matched the colors of the Buzz you are driving instead of it always being silver. Buzz.

@elektrischabfahren Год назад

Heat Pump and a bigger Batterie is was the IDBuzz need.

@stephenholland5930 Год назад

Can't believe a Norwegian-spec car doesn't have a heat pump as standard.

@lumberjackdreamer6267 Год назад

The Nissan Leaf has had a reversible heat pump since 2013.

@The_Ballo 11 месяцев назад

You mean get rid of the battery

@nothere572 Год назад

Are you ever going to test the bZ4X? It would be a good laugh.

@hwanju94 Год назад

the reason why it doesn't have same decrease rate as 90km/h run is, that the increased time of using heater makes more effect on range of 90km/h run because of low speed.

@shmadmanuts Год назад

Indeed! Just like the AC in summer. Heater/AC consumes energy per hour, not per 100km ;)

@audunskilbrei8279 Год назад

Was about to post this but you beat me to it. I agree with you.

@paulhurt839 Год назад

For the benefit of people (like me) in the UK and elsewhere that think in miles/kWh, this comes out to... 2.33 miles/kWh at 52mph, and 1.75 miles/kWh at 68mph. Vaguely in line with what I get from my Vivaro-e, though I haven't got enough numbers for it in sub-zero temps yet. Cold is a killer, clearly. Takeaways? 1) forewarned is forearmed 2) Drive slow, be ready to charge more. Thanks Bjorn.

@SteveLoughran Год назад

Yeah, here in the UK "stay in when it snows" should be rule, given how people are coping. I might put my old US snow chains for sale on eBay -they don't fit our current car. Could probably get £200+ for them this week -ski resport prices. (z chains -buy some if you are ever in the US)

@matthiashejlskov5008 Год назад

It seems to have just Slightly better mileage than the stellantis vans, but i think it seems to have a bit better range at high speeds and low temps. Probably better battery temp management. I have a peugeot e-expert and get a bit over 350wh/km at 110 at similar temps, so i suspect i would be over 400 at 130. The buzz is a much smaller internal volume though, so really it makes more sense to compare it to the kangoo e-tech.

@philorgneopolotin8762 Год назад

Jeez that’s like 9,000 lb hummer EV efficiency. Pretty bad. Guess it’ll be much better in the summer… but man that’s low. Doubt you’ll see many costs savings from using electricity instead of gas alone

@matthiashejlskov5008 Год назад

@@philorgneopolotin8762 eh, my electric van costs me 3€/100km. My old diesel van was over 20. There's just no comparison. It's so much cheaper than the brand new ev van costs me as much per month as keeping my 5 year old paid off diesel van.

@The_Ballo 11 месяцев назад

...or just buy a regular van that you can fuel up

@AllanSustainabilityFan Год назад

~170 miles at 55mph (90kph) is a bit rough for a van, which is often meant for long trips... VW needs to add a heatpump asap. And maybe an extra 10kwh to the pack, then it would become much more practical.

@nothere572 Год назад

From what I hear, a ~100kwh pack is coming on the long wheel base. Unsure if it will make its way to the shorter wheelbase though.

@lenuvian Год назад

@@nothere572 Really needs 200 kwh

@samusaran7317 Год назад

@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Or quit being lazy and learn how to take shorter breaks while driving.

@samusaran7317 Год назад

@@lenuvian Not really. Less than 10% of people could afford that. More range isn't always better. You need to charge eventually, get over it.

@PanEvropa2004 Год назад

I remember commenting few months ago, that ID Buzz won't be sufficient enough in winter for highway driving. I can't imagine the pain people would have to go through if they were to travel in minus degrees on highway for few hundred kilometers, the consumption is just too high. If you compare it to diesel van, the difference is even more striking.

@shmadmanuts Год назад

Well... the diesel van will spend almost nothing to heat the car after the engine is warm. In an EV - the battery will lose energy to heat the car. but how much? 1-2 kW/h? Also, with only the driver, won't air recirculation waste way less energy than getting fresh warm air constantly?

@DG-uv3zw Год назад

@@shmadmanuts It`s not just the energy to heat the cabin. It`s much more then that. Basically, something like id Buzz needs totally radical ideas and advance tech to be usable with current battery capacity.( Tesla heat pump tech at least. But it`s not enough) Just a gimmick, I said it a month ago. A city van.

@ronbally2312 Год назад

??? what math are you using? What is the consumption of such a bus under similar conditions on diesel?

@Benjamin_Jehne Год назад

@@ronbally2312 We have a VW T4 4x4 and it takes 10l/100km in cold temperatures. But the Buzz is way smaller. So the consumption is really really high for what it is. I also wouldn't feel save with this range. Thats absolutely uncomparable to a real VW Transporter.

@dragospahontu Год назад

@@Benjamin_Jehne still the ID Buzz is 3× more efficient

@kingphiltheill Год назад

Exactly what I thought. Not fun for family road trips in the colder months.

@felixmerz9019 Год назад

Offering no heat pump in a brand new car with this price tag is fairly sad.

@stephenholland5930 Год назад

Especially for the Norwegian market. Those crazy Germans!

@chargeheadsuk Год назад

Found your channel, looking for info on Kempower, so glad I found you! Great info, and ironically saw how inefficient the new ID Buzz was on a spreadsheet I have so interesting to see real world test. 💚⚡💪🏽

@easy08154711 Год назад

Your work is very important to drive the improvement, thank you for your honest opinions!

@rogeriogomesosorio4755 Год назад

UAU… that’s a big difference, although it’s understandable. Keep up the great work. I’m long time fan. If you don’t mind me asking, what app do you use to live stream?

@Gaijin101 Год назад

If the delta is lower at high speed than low speed , its probably due to higher base power requirement in winter. Aka, heating of systems.

@olestampevestergaard4746 Год назад

If you have not gone back to the warmth yet, I am pretty sure that the renault megane coldgates, it lost 10 percent soc over 2 days in my garage, in below zero temp. And would not charge above 50ish kwh on a 270 charger

@terjebergstad4190 Год назад

I ordered the Buzz with "heat reflecting rear windows" and also with 19" Venlo rims. I wonder how much my configuration will differ from the one you test in winter.

@simonborjars8425 Год назад

I would also like to know how much these windows affect the temperature. Is it reflecting sunlight to keep the cabin cooler in summer or is it reflecting the heat inside? Or both?

@Zedus-rl9hp Год назад

IDs have never been known for good winter consumption - with such a large vehicle, this has an even clearer effect. If possible, the area for the ski holiday should not be further than 190km away, with a stopover then about 300km. Everything else then becomes laborious.

@esaedvik Год назад

Kind of absurdly wide tires on the van? Seems a bit weird. Surely that and lack of a heat pump would make a huge difference?

@stefanschulthess5397 Год назад

It will get a heat pump in future. They had to roll out without because availability issues. That's what I've heard. The power socket should also get much more juice.

@DG-uv3zw Год назад

On id cars, heat pump is not very helpful in winter...

@stefanschulthess5397 Год назад

@@DG-uv3zw They have engineers and can improve it...? I'm quite happy with the consumption of my ID4 GTX now.

@Xennox2 Год назад

Is it possible to get a range test for Id Buzz Cargo FULLY LOADED? That would be nice:) The company i work for i going to buy one of those. I said "it is not going to work" Their reply, yes it will it has 420km range. I said "Not fully loaded and in the winter" :)

@SamuraiTacos1 Год назад

i want the buzz in the usa its such a dope bus van

@gard3l Год назад

You should put some extra/max vehicle load

@JKJK-cu4xr Год назад

Bjorn, What is the app that you use for all the power consumption and battery temperature readings in your videos? Thanks!

@lumberjackdreamer6267 Год назад

The Nissan Leaf has had a reversible heat pump since 2013. And heated seats and heated steering wheel help.

@furorentonori5838 Год назад

Mine doesn’t have it

@lumberjackdreamer6267 Год назад

@@furorentonori5838 The heat pump is on the SV and SL atrium level. The case model doesn’t have it. Why did you buy the S level? The SL is so ,icy better, with the leather seats and surround camera

@RobertPuklin Год назад

No heatpump? Oh lord...

@nickdegroot2445 Год назад

Wondering if they will bring it to market with heat pump as ID.3 and ID.4 actually have it optionally. When are you going to the arctic circle and sleep in the ID. Buzz?👌🏽

@peterhelmer396 Год назад

You have been busy!

@declanosullivan8749 Год назад

200km range from a 500kg battery uhh😮 It wasn’t even that cold either, -4c is warm right now for Northern Europe Batterie tech needs to improve, way too heavy for big vehicles

@bartwaggoner2000 Год назад

OK, this needs to be tested with a full load of passengers on the same trip. If this is the best an empty van can do, oh my.

@PurpKing4377 Год назад

you would be killer at guess the weight games lol

@MKTED62 Год назад

can't believe they have a place to weigh a car..you know the games you get with the car well the driving game let's you charge on the move...it's going to be the future

@JakobFischer60 Год назад

Interesting question, can an electric car be thirsty? How do you call consuming power? Is power liquid?

@Hybridog Год назад

Does this Buzz have a heat pump? That could explain the poor range in super cold weather like that. Those things suck electrical power.

@thidaradlagnegren7775 Год назад

Hello, As you're an expert about the EV car. We've a problem to load the car with our Solar system at home. Could you do that with your EV via your Solar system at your house in Chiangdow?

@rolfsrolfs Год назад

Why are almost no electric car transforming into more aerodynamic cars when they go fast? I think I saw one, the latest polestar do some adjustment, but not in the front of the car like I'm imagening..

@Robis- Год назад

@ Bjorn when are you getting new Model S?

@eirikhordnes1153 Год назад

Which obd-reader and app do you use? is it possible to download detailed trip data from it?

@eskilmr Год назад

Plz test the new model s plaid!

@paulogomes8762 Год назад

1 er and cold ❄️❄️❄️

@VladPayne Год назад

Test it in -25

@Nilla_S Год назад

6:15 😂😂

@landmonkey22 Год назад

Will the buzz do 200?

@RSProduxx Год назад

37? seems excessive...

@roybm3124 Год назад

Airfryer lol 😂🤣

Год назад

Cabin heating is an issue even in fossil vans of that size, the large outside surface area and large % of window are are significant loss. The relative % change difference between high and low speed makes at least mathematical sense, too if cabin heating is a relevant factor. Cabin heat is constant per time and not distance or speed, so its relative impact is lower at high traction energy consumption. Maybe you have the cabin heater numbers in the app?

@guidomescalito Год назад

kWh/h what the hell

@louisrodriques9323 Год назад

It’s a running joke.

@billyray323 Год назад

After driving a few EV's during summer & winter, I've cincluded, that the batteries aren't good enough, not dense enough for good range, nor is the charging infrastructure any good, especially in the UK Motorway service area, Grid serve 50kwh charger only charging E208 Peugeot at 16kwh ? Madness .. why so show !

@Locke311083 Год назад

Ist da echt eine Trommelbremse hinten?

@SuperEgleh Год назад

@alessandrodebortoli9878 Год назад

To me it's just absurd to buy a vehicle with such poor energy efficiency, regardless whether it is ICE or electric. I just don't get it! And those 20" inches wheels just don't make any sense.

@SuperEgleh Год назад

poor? 35kwh/100km is equivalent to 3.5litres of diesel/100km. that's pretty good in the cold for a car with such a frontal area.

@schunkelndedschunke6914 Год назад

Different wheel sizes front to back...fail.

@Veroxzes Год назад

Why is that a fail? Pretty common for RWD cars.

@schunkelndedschunke6914 Год назад

@@Veroxzes Is it s sport car? No. I want to change my wheels from time to time from the front to the rear. "Its common" is a real weak argument.

@Veroxzes Год назад

@@schunkelndedschunke6914 Didn’t consider that. I was thinking they put bigger tires on the back because the motors are there thus more weight, but the balance is 49/51.