Was WoW Classic a Success? Review/My Story 

MadSeasonShow thanks for all the laughs this year mate 🙌👊

Love your videos man, awesome content, and classsic was fun as hell

Thnaks for all the great content you put out there for the community to enjoy. Cheers to a better next year!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you as well, Mr MadSeasonShow. Your videos were a staple in this household during 2020. Everything from the new stuff to the "my personal story of wow" on your playlist. Expecting more of the same from you in 2021, but no pressure, good sir...

Merry Christmas indeed! :D

me 2 I am rewatching his content now

Same I always come back ❤❤❤

I watch his videos as podcasts before I sleep :)

And he loves Toyota's

That's actually crazy how you noticed that lol. Fair play.

totally not on purpose to make a little bit fun of the hypocrisy in the classic community

He's going bald.

damn right

paladins.

Warrior whirlwind combo every 15min, shaman chain lightning is every fking 3sec or something

>classic game design, class design this made you think wow is your fav game? lol

@@stanisawgacki4236 I prefer Class/Game design by miles to Retail.

@@stanisawgacki4236 I think class design certainly got a lot better in TBC and WoTLK, but Vanilla's class flavor, unique class quests, talent trees, stat distributions all are such a breath of fresh air and deep dive back into RPG mechanics after retail where everything was watered down and homogenized. As for game design, vanilla's emphasis on difficulty while leveling, community and group based content, consumables, buffs, unique mechanics like the hunter's dead zone or pet system, professions mattering a lot, all just examples of things where vanilla really shines. Sure the world buff meta is tedious and i'm glad it got toned down in TBC, but when was the last time you gave a crap about a buff in modern wow?

@@TheodoreBotman how is pressing one button for rotation any better than retail

@@Wepospalient I kinda see your point, but to mention specifically vanilla as the best one seems bit naive for me. Many of things you mentioned got flashed out later. I wouldn't argue if you'd come up with class design of WotLK. But Vanilla had so much to improve upon. I care about every single buff I can get my hands on.

Well put.

this is 100% correct, to continue would be throwing your money and time away from nothing new

@Monkey Smell your gay

@Monkey Smell no im Ray, Sun Ray.

I miss everyone whispering me for food AND water in the dungeons.. getting tips was so awesome.. I didn't play wow classic but I did play vanilla. I don't even currently play.. I just miss those days 😪 now I'm 31 and stuck with being disappointed at every game since 😞

That’s awesome man

That’s incredible

How sweet

what are you talking about i she night time all the time and rain i never seen snow but i am sure if a i tired i could find it but weather is over rated

@@userunknown1030 "weather is overrated" now thats a solid quote

@user unknown I think he's talking about actual night time. Night time in WoW, and even in vanilla, is just the sky turning dark blue basically. Not much else really changes lighting wise, not to mention, torches and light source items are just for show basically. Not to mention Darkshire, which is meant to be truly a dark place, is still plenty bright even with low gamma.

@@ionracas8743 It used to be a much darker blue and for weather storms for desert/jungle/forest/snow or even felwood made visibility much lower due to the rain being heavier and the Wind also came into effect, torches and bon fires were really just for looks, but it was cool too see them change the lighting a bit more than they do now. the only thing that bring back the old night time effect is a 1 hour buff Ink potion from DMFI.

@@2_protects_the_1 i love the weather sounds and weather changing in classic it makes it so much more immersive

We didn't need Classic for that, people actually played Vanilla, and are remembering it fondly for years to come.

@@Lupinemancer87 and what about the people who never had the chance back then? Just fuck them right....

@@markmitchell153 Honestly it would be really interesting to find out how many people that play classic played vanilla and how many are new people.

Yup, memories that will never fade away ^_^

@@PetrSojnek huge majority did play on vanilla, it was small percent were "new"

Any how many unhappy months?

dude goobertown hobbies , im a huge fan ,

madseason and goobertown have the best voices on youtube, and crendor, we cannot forget the great wowcrendor

@@troyunderwood5647 None. Stopped playing when I was no longer interested

I was very happy leveling up. Im more into PvE, but once i started raiding, i was very disappointed. The raids were way too easy and simlpe, and i got bored so much that i began watching youtube while raiding. Then i just stopped. BWL was a very cool raid tho, thats the exception. Edit: AQ40 is the ugliest raid ive ever been in.

Agreed...a lot more fun. The travel is harder, the questing is harder, etc etc etc....but going over to Shadowlands and my puppy could play WOW successfully by just spamming buttons randomly.

@@MeDuderify Obviously you dont do endgame content in Retail if you think Classic is hard lol. For me Classic was boring as fuck lol. I wasn't able to reach level Max since i was so bored of it

@@francislanglois5489 Just wondering did you level with friends? When did you start playing?

@@notguitar I started playing last week and am already max level on a mage, solo grinding most of it. Now working on a warrior. Classic WoW is a very spesific flavor.

So much fun over the last 15 months for sure.

Some communities are better than others. I play on the RP servers, which are much more friendly (less of a rat race). You have to let the rat racers/streamers rush through all the content, max out, and finally bleed off of the servers before the community can be re-established. I can't wait for TBC realms to come out so that the Vanilla realms can heal.

@@madrox1989 Yeah, you hit the spot. The way most people played to reach 60 asap and the crunched intervals between patches meant a casual trying classic had no chance. I quit phase 2, heard I dodged a real f fest. I got a month's worth of nostalgia. Would like to go back and try again if they make fresh servers.

@@flaviuscarp My enjoyment plummeted right around Phase 2 as well. Questing in parties, doing the outdoor dungeons (like the undead area in Teldrassil), struggling through instanced dungeons, or even just goofing around is quite enjoyable especially with random friendly people. Leveling, and tackling things traditionally/practically is the experience I wanted out of Classic. I could only imagine the experience must be the worst on the PVP realms lol. An army of engineers dualwielding thunderfurys, yikes!

@Rosa Barks That a lot of people subscriped to WoW, which most likely wouldn't have subscriped otherwise. Given, it is not a success for me, but for me, unlike Fun or Nostalgia, but it was a success for the company.

@@madrox1989 did they confirm the burning crusade?

Thanks for watching!

I also spammed click this on my phone as I was dropping a dice, gratci

Same. Alive god.

I’ve got to experience things in classic that I couldn’t remember when I was 15 when I first started playing, and gaining new friends that have carried over to retail! I’ve lvl’d 4 60s in the past year in classic, which has been amazing especially being able to progress in each of the raids on my Shaman that I haven’t experienced in retail! Classic will always have a fan base even if/when TBC is announced

You dont have to be sad over it. TBC is gonna be a blast. TBC was but an extension to Vanilla. Many people say : "It was vanilla... but better". If they don't put TBC out, people will eventualy get bored of Classic and Classic would die. There's already way less players then when it started a year ago.

You arnt using "cringe" correctly.

@DCA What do you mean? It happened as i said: The interest in classic waned completely... if TBC hadn't been out. lots of people would had cancelled their sub a year ago... TBC kept the interest and is thanks to its success that we getting WotLK classic this year... So please explain to me, how is that y comment aged like milk? :)

Meh, Outland, haven’t played it. Vanilla is forever.

yep that was always the biggest draw backs of classic. though like i now if you got the right gear you could manage. classic gear sucked never made me feel like i was any stronger lol. whites felt like greens and purples are some time worse then a green lol. that is classic for you though never made any sense.

That’s too bad. I rerolled several times because I never felt that click with a group. On my 5th character and 3rd server I finally landed in a random group of people that I instantly vibes with and have spent 6 months talking in discord doing bgs and raiding together. I hope you can find those people for yourself :) good luck adventurer!

@@jimbotheimpaler4756 yeah no thank you i will pass lol. all that work just to play more of a game i am already paying for and taking time to level and gear in isn't what i call a good community or helpful i always remember those classic andies talking about how great the community is and how helpful they are not what i have noticed at all. though i am not saying retail is better just saying you can avoid all the drama with retail you kind of have no choice in classic.

@@userunknown1030 that "drama" and finding people you click with is the entire identity of an mmo. If you can't get along with ANY group of people you shouldn't even be playing an mmo. There's a ton of single-player RPGs in the world that give you virtual friends. If you want a real helpful community, find a private server with a LOW population. Low-pop vanilla private servers tend to have VERY friendly communities.

​@@GuvernorDave Your statement is just generalizing few experiences that you had and you saw, now you are doing a general statement out of it. Most of the private servers, are not like you are trying to impose. They are closed communities. Some pleasant, most are not. Classic is a place for experienced people and any new player has a fcking hard time to catch on, even in leveling. If drama and loneliness {,,finding people as you said it,,} is what creates identity for you, you are playing the right game. In classic WoW you cannot avoid the drama and you cannot avoid being lonely during farming, grinding. Classic WoW is great game, but its actually for people that are bad at playing. Classic for people that are good in LIVING the game. If you want to just - have some fun with it - you probably gonna cry after a week. You have to loose part of your life to be able to enjoy Classic.

Some people are just like that as their base nature no matter if their day is good or bad. They just have phsical and mental need to be that way. They need serious mental health support but thats how for rest of us to deal with. Just block/mute/delete try to move on. Sometimes yes its headache but even in real life you just need to look around you for few mins and sorrounded by unstable people. I tend to keep to myself in WoW for most part bec since playing from 2007 untill now I've seen alot of maniacs around me. And alot of fun stuff too. I guess Its also perspective thing on how each of us deals with adversity. I'm 30 now and alot wiser than when I was 11 years old playing Wacraft 3 on Battle.net but I still have much to learn in life. But least now I know to spot toxic people alot quicker and to be rid of them. if anyone made it this far down to my comment then thanks for reading/listening :D

@@GenjiShimada. Lol.

Complains of the maw and WQ yet has no problem leveling an alt in classic which is infinitely longer and more annoying. Unless you are spamming dungeons with mages.

@Thiago Silva um maw isnt optional. It is required to do if you want to progress your character

@Thiago Silva maw isnt optional it increases player power via enchants/gems. world quests increase your renown. torghast is how you get legendaries. snoozefest.

@Thiago Silva exactly its necessary to get into the high end content, which 99% ppl are working torwards.

@Thiago Silva I dont hate shadowlands and I agree torghast is just too easy now. It used to be fun before the nerf, now its just as boring as islands spam. Mages could kill the final layer8 boss in like 1 second pre nerf. Now we kill it in 0.5 sec

::clears throat:: "He he hello m'lady" *tips fedora*

I know what you mean. Like Madseason I think I'll play Classic forever (hell, I think I could play nothing but Tauren warriors again and again and be happy!). I just hope they don't kill it by moving to BC. I really, really wish they had gone with Classic+...but that was always a pipe dream.

@@krausewitz6786 TAUREN GAAANG :D and yeah, classic+ would have been so good. I'd enjoy that so much

Tiny Elly

@Derp Inshmurtz he's quite clearly being ironic

It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.

but it matters by the experience

Aperture science

You think you do but not.

@@velho6298 its seems they where right though it is kind of funny it all worked out like i thought it would people would be stock for the first few months and they where after that it would tick down to only a few servers with just retail rejects lol. and i was right lol. accept for the retail rejects most of those people don't like the game because it is to slow. i guess fast pace is king lol.

Thank you. This is so true

Classic difficulty is preparation, which means playing the game outside of raid time, farming the world itself to make those consumes and battling others for those resources. It also means social organisation, lacking the easy mode tools of retail means guilds have to go the extra mile to recruit, retain and keep happy 40+ raiders every week, which only became more difficult the more raids were added, doing every raid is a big time commitment but is absolutely necessary in Classic due to linear raid progression and no easy catchup gear/modes. Unfortunately for many they instead take the retail mindset, just raid logging, buying boosts and buy gold from botters instead, causing the massive inflation of gold and bots started taking over the economy and murdering the levelling experience for those who didn't boost. I wish people respected the game more but seeing how ubiquitous boosting was it is clear you could never bring Vanilla WoW back, it's Boomercraft today with players spending plenty of real life money to throw at botters/boosters to make the game easy instead of playing the damn game.

that’s because classic is mostly about the leveling, and SL really starts at lvl 50-60.

In Vanilla/Classic you're just a lowly adventurer starting out, by Shadowlands we're god slaying immortal killing machines

I don't know why they trivialize the 1-50 game so much. People end up at level cap barely knowing how to play. I would think they'd want it to be challenging so they can sell level boosts anyway

@derp derpin you agreed with me by disagreeing with memlmao

@@username18990 if you actually think this you probably haven’t tried mythic castle nathria yet lmao

@Rosa Barks agreed. Hence why im guildless in wow atm. Bit extreme but forces socializing with people.

When everyone can do everything, nobody is special.

not a sliver.. it was actually as close of an experience as it could get. U can't come any closer tbh. blizzard for once did a way better job than it was expected. The community however, didn't.

@@akhsdenlew1861 Well Blizzard definitely made a lot of mistakes. They did do a better job than expected, but the bar was very low.

@@magistermittens124 they couldn't do more to make classic a better experience. Most of the experience is ruined by the community anyway. Blizzard had such a little part to play.. they basically released a ready-old game and the community had to decide how to approach it. And they did.

@@akhsdenlew1861 I loved my time playing classic! I wish they would reset the servers every couple of years and I would be down for another 1-60 grind!

@@enubisgaming6829 1-60 lvling and up untill mid-BWL content, the game is actually quite good. After AQ release, it's big nope for me.

I don't know c'uthun is pretty fucked up.

@@2Eliishere for some reason we have a very easy time with him. Lose maybe 2-3 people from stupidity but kill him super easy. Ouru, Visc were a little frustrating where we still had issues, and pretty much no good loot ever. We're pretty casual though (6hours per week raid time max)

but classic was never a hard game...Only a time-sink of a game. it was all about how much time can u spend inside the game. Just look at the pvp system. Probably the worst pvp system in the entire gaming industry.. lmao That rank 14 GRIND doesn't even worth my spit.

@@akhsdenlew1861 you can say the same thing about all MMOs

@@2Eliishere no u can't. Check out GW2.. not ridiculus time/gold sinks without purpose. Look at FFXIV, Retail wow.. MUCH MUCH better. The older the game is, the grindier it is... The Systems are just bad...

They've started banning thousands of accounts every day.

@@BigDaddyWes source?

@@Tatti12321 bro, trust me - source

Their current customer service has been terrible. I've spoken to GM's about 10 times during classic and had ONE positive experience. The other times were all just copy pasted broken English or messages that show they didnt even read my message. Friend was told to turn Warmode off when he was complaining about exploits in classic. They dont care, The report system just works by people mass reporting.

@@TheodoreBotman You've spoken 10 times to GM in a year, it's like almost once every month, so imagine every single person in the world who play the game "talks" to them that frequnently, ofc they don't have time to do anything...i guess you are the reason so many people can't even contact them once with a single real problem they have....lol

Ok, I'm NOT crazy. Thank God someone else heard it

Truly up there on the incredibly pathetic scale 😂

for real like , ID investigations vibes lol wtf is wrong with people

@@van.deaux.1694 well i don't now i always here the loves story where people have meet there wives or current girlfriend on wow so i mean it isn't that odd really. i am sure it happened back in vanilla to just not to many people where spamming about the game like they are now.

Men seeking women has always happened, and I get tired when that behavior is labeled as bad or creepy . That said, when you do it in such a nerdy, cringy way as this, it's no wonder you are single. No woman is impressed by your spreadsheet abilities. :)

@@jimmym3352 I agree with you, but the spreadsheet was extremely creepy and seemed like borderline stalking, if not just straight up stalking. I don’t think it’s should just be described as nerdy and cringe, it’s much worse.

Same here, never played wow before classic launched last year and it was legit the MOST fun I can remember playing with my friends. I’m 25, so most fun in about 10 years.

I fucking loved Phase 1, i'd gladly do it again.

Probably because Blizzard made it too easy... Private Servers had it correct with how hard it should be.

@@hoyschelsilversteinberg4521 They didn't made easy, im playing since 2004 vanilla, and everything is on point as i remember, the difference why people saying it was super hard because nobody had any addons, and any clue how stuff works in wow as mmorpg was something new back than, lots of people was grinding instead of doing quests since in other mmorpgs you had to grind also like in lineage 2, runescape, everyone was fresh in game without any experience, for most people was they're first mmorpg game, so private servers only increased difficulty a lot since everybody forgot about classic wow difficulty and because on newest expansions was so easy to do leveling most people start saying how it was hard back in the days, but actually it wasn't, its actually similar, raids in current wow is much harder compared to classic, because we now used to level so quick currently, we forgot that leveling back then was quite easy also, because lots of people was grinding mobs like in other mmos who taken even more time.

@@Krahamus I also played since the beginning and have played on private servers ever since BC was released. Classic is way easier than Vanilla. They fucked it.

@@hoyschelsilversteinberg4521 when bc was released all private servers was bugged as hell, it took years to make good servers, and only few where true to retail, as that said blizzard have all data for old wow, drops, health, and list goes on, private servers had to guess only what was like to play old wow, and they made it to difficult by all these guessing.

I'm holding out for WoD Classic. That's where the REAL action will be!

@@baldie80 I hope your joking lmao

@@YAHWEH-YESHUA-MINISTRIES totally, yes lol. That said, if they do get as far as WoD then they’ll have to bring back WoW Tokens to a “Classic” era of the game, and that can only be hilarious, if only to see how the heck they figure out how to do it! Also, strangely, WoD does hold a special place for me because it’s the first time I joined a regular raiding team...HFC was a good, fun Raid.

@@baldie80 the content was good in dreanor it was just tainted with the bad anti social crap since cata and garrison. And lack of content. Sadly WOD could have been so much more

I leveled a warrior and it was the most fun I had despite the roadblocks I came across. I levelled a warrior alone before so I knew what to expect.. and avoided it. We started as a group of 5 totally random guys, lost our priest around lvl 20. Managed to find a permanent replacement soon after. Well, that is until lvl 45 when we lost our shaman because he didn't like Classic all that much and our group kinda crumbled at that time because people's time off was running out and we had to return to our actual lives. Three of us still kept tight and reached 60 around the same time. We got out pre-bis together but went our seperate ways when it came to guilds and raiding. I never really cared about raiding in WoW but was spoken into becoming a class leader and, well, that was absolutely not fun. First month or two was okay when it came to raiding - we killed Rag week 3, but soon I started fearing logging on and having to deal with these people. Harder and harder rules were being implemennted (must have all pre-bis, most of the buffs, these WBs, all enchants, etc) which I didn't agree with and had to be the one to enforce for 20 warriors. Tried looking for another guild to go but it seems like I have stumbled upon the hardcore server (Progress was on our realm). One day I just said bye and never logged back in again. This was before BWL came out. At it's best it was the most fun I've ever had, at it's worst it felt like a soul-crushing job.

I think a good amount of people quit near that BWL and rocky phase 2 launch with the pvp system/no battlegrounds. For me I love bwl and AQ is that "meh" raid for me. Not sure why...maybe I'm just traumatized from all of the "bug" levels from oldschool nes/snes games. Merry Christmas to you as well!

@@madseasonshow AQ was a slog and I think ended up being a major contributor to me stepping away from the game once KT was killed. Something about the fights and duration of the raid felt gross in addition to the "mechanics" at times felt very unfun to deal with. Once we got to a point of doing AQ, BWL, and MC binding runs in a single night much of the fun was sucked out. I could tell that AQ had an adverse effect on a lot of the raiders as well and people were noticably more irate than usual as opposed to the fun fast clearing of BWL or the meme-filled stupor of MC. BWL is still by far my favourite raid and I truly believe I could raid that all the time and never get bored.

How will you play Diablo Immortal now?

@@madseasonshow does he not have a phone anymore?

don't you guys have phones?

Sadly people don’t seem to mind and not many RU-vidrs speaking out about this issue!! For example I try to play the Original way and everyone in the game told me how to played etc etc! But I want to be clueless!

FOMO, fall behind your world quest grind and be not allowed to raid

I appreciate it! I do have a Shadowlands video coming up soonish that you might like

@@madseasonshow I look forward to it then! :)

Just try classic. Its the best mmo of all time

@@tristanbeaumont8048 debatable

Thalnos perhaps? I just made new characters switching from horde to ally 4 60s still on that server stuck in t2 and no one to play with lol

@@limacrap Skeram currently 97% Horde as of writing this, what a joke

Nothing would make MC hard it's just an easy raid. Dungeon gear being so good in later patches is probably the biggest difference. Warriors can be in full blue gear up to like AQ40.

@Andrew Stevenson Yea killing MC in green and level 58 totally better than retail. Derp

@Andrew Stevenson Maybe because LFR isn't the end-game content, but MC was? LFR is tourist mode made for people to simply see the content if they have no time or means to do so otherwise. The real content is Mythic Raiding. Good luck thinking bypassing tedious levelling means you now are qualified to clear that. Then again, you classic Andies would probably even fail at LFR to begin with.

@Andrew Stevenson Literally who cares about 'welfare' legendaries. Legendaries have always been a dumb part of the game. You can see it in Classic. Do you really give a shit about seeing some dude pass by with a HoR or TF these days? It only felt great back when the entire game felt like a great unknown. That's the problem with you classic Andies. You care way too much about the color pixels of items rather than what the item represents: a way to enhance gameplay. All your points are utterly pathetic. Even Normal mode retail is far far more difficult than anything Classic has to offer. And that is coming from someone who barely even plays retail anymore. There is a massive truckload of content in Retail, yet you think raiding is all there is to do LOL. There's Mythic +, dozens of dungeons, solo content coming out the wazoo, Torghast, dailies, weeklies, world quests, sanctum building, pets, a massive range of battlegrounds, Arenas, flavor content such as transmogs and mount/pet collections. To actually think that Classic is better than retail when it comes to that, when all people do is get world buffs and raidlog is uttterly delusional. There's absolutely nothing to do in Classic. You need to get a grip and stop masturbating over the Classic pixels. Scarcity equals value in Classic, that is all. The only reason we remember items is because there were barely any of them. Again, the only thing classic Andies care about is the 'value' of items rather than the challenging and interesting gameplay. Probably cause you were too bad at the game to be able to actually do anything above LFR difficulty. There are a shitload of raids worth remembering. Just because YOU don't know them (as you were too bad to progress in them) doesn't mean they don't exist. MC was just one of the first ones, but if that's your idea of an epic raid, then I guess there's not really much left to say. Go do your one-button rotations and pleasure yourself in SW/ORG whispering "retail bad". Comfort yourself in the fact you'll never be good enough, but at least the item that dropped from a 15 year old version of the game had value.

@Derp Inshmurtz Who said they are a dumb part of mmos? Why are you misrepresenting my quote and putting it quotation marks? That's not at all what I said, so no clue why you're attributing those words to me if not to purposely take my words out of context. And then there's no point to discuss anymore because the goal isn't a discussion, but to "gotcha" me. The implementation of legendaries has always been bad in WoW. That's my point. There's no achievement in RNG, I'm sorry. Getting 2x 2% droprate items isn't a testament to your skill, it's simple RNG. Being the one chosen to get the item is the only part where you have influence, and that has 0 to do with the game and everything with the social fabric of guilds. Again, that's the very point I'm making. Classic Andies (not saying you are one) are obsessed with the purple pixels and how much value that item supposedly has rather than the gameplay of the GAME itself. They don't care that the vast majority of content is dogshit and poses no difficulty. That's a fine way to play, but to act as if that's objectively superior to complexity and challenge is disingenuous.

Classic is still great. There major problem is retail. I can never go back. Shadowlands is awful. Ever since WOD the never will never be the same. Classic is a heaven send

@@YAHWEH-YESHUA-MINISTRIES "There major problem is retail. I can never go back.."... git gud ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iWiPb4UVFOE.html

@@YAHWEH-YESHUA-MINISTRIES Shadowlands reminds me of MoP/WoTLK tbh. The expansion is not bad whatsoever.

@@preds43 anti social and fast lvling . Half the game being in a queue. Broken covenants. Broken RNG gearing. Half assed story and questing. Wow has sucked since WOD no debate

Mission tables. All mellee classes feel the same all caster classes feel the same. Nothing unique anymore. Toxic community. Ruined ass story. Story acts like your the only important person in the world where millions play the game and everyone is treated the same way so it breaks the emersion of the game. Most of the game can be played solo. Retail is a joke