Watchmen: Rorschach and Nite Owl confront Ozymandias 

Great observation, you're the real detective

@@Woventhunder 😊

@@Woventhunder great observation of his observation, you are the real detective.

@@nothing-kn3tc great observation of his observation of his observation you are the real detective

@@kencarson3451 great observation of his observation of his observation of his observation, you’re the real detective.

Rorschach got thrown into a wall and a pillar at like 20mph and he just walks it off

It's an aspect of the movie I didn't like at all. They're all given superhuman strength, toughness, and agility. It takes away from what was a key aspect in the comic - that these are really just normal people, well trained perhaps, but no less mortal and prone to error than any of us.

It's also just a movie, folks. They even got their asses handed to them in the Graphic Novel many times. This is just a little bit more stylized.

@@dogewood5499 C’mon dude, we know it’s just a movie. Good lord.

Exactly.

Perfectly put.

Yeah, if you have any experience with depression it is obvious from the beginning that Jon has a serious case of the sads. He is literally too powerful and too smart for anyone to understand him or have an intelligent conversation with him. He is alone. Forever. And he knows it.

Well? Finish the sentence; you've only got half a thought here.

@@r0bw00d He already executed his plan, but he's explaining how he did it while fighting. What a true villain.

@@notamemethememe589 Let Davon correct his own comment.

@@r0bw00d if you can tell what he means in terms of human to human interaction there's no issue if your a soldier of the English language and grammar as a whole tho then yeah I guess it's wrong? Lol tf?

Its weird that people keep calling Ozymandias a "villain", I thought if Watchmen taught us anything, is that heroes and villains aren't your typical black and white characters and sometimes you need to do bad things to achieve the greater good. If some "hero" held on to his principles and let mankind destroy itself, you'd still call that being heroic? I'd say being a hero is being able to make these tough decisions.

I wouldn't call it "nerve" so much as "real recognizing real".

The pot calling the kettle black is still correct. The kettle's black.

To be fair, if he was correct that everyone would die if he did nothing, he didn’t change the fate of the people he killed. However, there’s no way of truly predicting something like that

That's because he knows what a sociopath is lmaoo he made the world a better place tho united the entire world you gotta spill some blood if you truly Wana make a.difference.

sociopaths are callous + manipulative, not just callous

Exactly; this scene is Batman pulled into three people, fighting one another

idk much about comics or superheroes, what makes Ozymandias so much stronger than his nite owl and rorschach

@@jetdry8651 the fighting in the film is much more exaggerated than in the comics, with the human characters punching through walls and such. But what makes Ozymandias a superior combatant is that he has completely mastered self-discipline to an extreme degree. He trains his body to Olympic levels of performance and meditates to keep his mind calm and controlled, even during times of extreme stress. Nite Owl has martial arts training, but relied more on his engineering prowess to create technical solutions to problems, like his airship having crowd control measures or his suit emitting a sonic pulse that messes with equilibrium, and thus is not as skilled in combat. Rorschach meanwhile grew up on impoverished, suffering bullying and abuse before becoming a ward of the state where he was considered a boxing prodigy but never committed to much of a career. His trauma gives fuel to his rage and allows him to push past pain and fight harder than the average person, but not to necessarily a superhuman level. Ozymandias, on the other hand, demonstrates the reflexes and practice to catch a bullet.

@@TheDoctor2nd damn, i heard somewhere young ozymandias got beaten by comedian in his prime

Jet Dry, Yeah, it’s referenced in the comic that at some point in the past, the Comedian and Ozy fought it out and Comedian won. I think that’s part of the reason Ozy goes and kills Blake himself; it’s partly revenge for humiliating him, something an egomaniac like Ozy can’t stand.

that seems really far fetched

@@phomairolls actually it's not, most martial arts don't call it as much, but anticipating and predicting what your opponent will do in a fight is a technique taught in pretty much every combat martial art, what it really boils down to is psycho-analyzing your opponent, looking for those "little twitches" to clue you into what their doing, IE someone with a gun will almost ALWAYS look right where they're planning to shoot you right before they adjust aim and fire, if you can detect that twitch, and respond in the window between the look and aim adjust, you can make them miss because they'll instinct fire when you move, and you move out of the line of fire just enough, is it reliable once the lead is flying in earnest? no. but if their only a few foot away and one shot is all they'll get, making that one shot miss could be the difference between you disarming them, and you on the floor becoming another statistic. Now am i saying just go out and try this? hell no, it can takes years of training to develop both the perceptive, and reactive ability to even attempt this feat, and even then only as a last resort, but it IS possible.

@@denzilbrowder5509 This is true, most people don't know but the majority of recent UFC champions take at least the equivalent of a Psychology Undegrad's first year education at a university.

@@phomairolls it’s not in the graphic novel it’s mentioned that the only one to beat ozymandias in a fight was the comedian. Who he wipes the map with at the beginning.

@@brianholloway6205 even then when Comedian is older Ozy still ambushes him to further his chances at winning.

In the comics comedian whooped ozy when he was young

@@COMEDIC_EDDIE Dude, this movie sucks. Horrible casting, horrible editing, horrible pacing.

@@AndyCutright I know, right. I saw this movie in theater when it came out and I thought it sucked.

@@AndyCutright You’re crazy. This movie was ahead of its time. If it came out now, Marvel would look like a bunch of pussies.

This is truly an amazing comment. All should read the graphic novel twice ... basement kids need to stop crying for the moon.

Yes, and I think casting Matthew Goode as Ozzy was inspired. So unexpected, yet portrayed him so well.

THAT WAS YOUR LAST MISTAKE MR. BOND

which is ironic, because Rorschach sent his journal out days ago. Making his " Sorry to disappoint" even more impactful in a completely different way.

@@spottedslash4256 i think that’s why at the end he was somewhat okay with Manhattan killing him. If he’s gotta die just to let the world know a man lied to the world and killed millions just for the sake of peace, so be it. Because while yes it is peace, but it’s still based on a lie. A false peace.

​@@spottedslash4256Yeah, Rorschach knows the worst humans can do after all, he is prepared fot everything

Ozy still wins that fight. Dude is nigh-unparalleled in combat. The only 1v1 fight he lost was against the Comedian (before the events of Watchmen) because: 1) Comedian’s twice Ozy’s build. 2) Comedian fights dirty.

He is only a man, Mr Anderson

He would. But is Ozymandia’s motives really better than Thanos? 🤔

@@danielbautista9062 A very good question 🤔.

His outcome was better measured by far. He put the fear of an actual god into people on earth. It wasn't just randomly lopping off half of a population to make the other half live better lives, it was pounding humanity into a single piece instead of a bunch of countries having petty prideful political squabbles. He gave them an enemy, a permanent one they could never hope to beat, bearing over their heads and promising instant obliteration on whimsy alone. It was no longer Russians, Chinese, Americans, British, Koreans, Turkish, and Japanese. It was Humanity, and God. He turned all the players on the stage into one role, just to fight the shadow he cast on the wall, a wrathful god that didn't even exist.

@@cj6498 I guess it just comes down to whether or not you think the end justifies the means. I tend to side with Steve Rogers. Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die.

Ozymandias is smarter than thanos i bet

Ozymandias is more like Lex Luthor. Reason why they associated in the crossover.

Well Rorschach is The Question and Nite Owl is meant to be Blue Beetle but its understandable to see the as Batman types.

Rorschach is Batman’s id. Ozymandias is Batman’s ego. Nite Owl is Batman’s superego.

Night Owl is Batman without all the hangups and angst.

@@chrismarcellus6933 Nightwing?

World’s Not-So-Finest…

I wonder what's his special powers except super smartness.. Does he have any other powers??

If Manhattan can see the past and the future. Then he knows it all

Well ozymandias has both of those, but the other 2 definitely at least have durability

@@adamcamacho4146 I know, but the point was they didn’t. They were just legit normal, average, humans in costumes, and all the mental problems that implies.

I wonder if they had Dr Manhattan 'boost' them when Dr Manhattan was younger?

They definitely have superpowers of some kind, just nothing compared to Dr. Manhattan.

Not even close, numbnuts🗿 "honestly" yeesh

I remember I felt bored the first time I watched this movie as a kid... But now, I find it easily one of the best CBM ever made. One of the reasons why I believe that only matured people enjoy Zack Snyder's style.

loved it from the start

"underrrated" What are you talking about? People never shut up about this movie and how great it is.

The book is always better but a decent translation.

Agreed, my friend. First saw the first cut way back when I was 18 and loved the Hell outta it. It only got better when Snyder released the Director's Cut: penultimate.

Intriguing

@King Edrick Snowbeard Stark Shang-Chi knows every fighting style in the world and so does Ozymandias. So who would win in a fight between them?

Hopefully Iron Fist would get beaten extra for his shitty tv show.

Depends on the writer. Sometimes Thor can obliterate whole planets with ease. Sometimes he struggles with an angry moose...

Either one of them could potentially take him even solo, especially Iron Fist. Cherry picking how one writer had a fight turn out isn't very fair.

Instead we got some repurposed woke shit.

I actually dig it. A lot.

He's supposed to be a discount Superman-type character, with insane durability and other abilities that I can't remember. The clip doesn't show these aspects since you just see him dressed like a common crook doing assassinations, but he isn't just brains and reflexes.

he doesn't just have incredible reflexes, but he can read body language so well (like how he read doctor manhattan's body language) that he is able to predict their actions

The combat is massively exaggerated from the comics (one of the few things Snyder took way further, since otherwise the film is a slavish shot-for-shot, panel for panel remake of the comic most of the time). Ozymandias is mentioned to have used his intellect and richest man in the world resources to give himself cutting edge treatments to make him stronger than peak human but we never see anything like this ridiculous punching-people-across-the-room stuff.

Incredible reflexes still does not explain him catching a bullet after it has been fired from a gun.

i mean the comedian did rekt him before, maybe ozzy took that as a challenge and trained to become the best he could be

I mean, Ben Affleck's Batman was pretty damn ruthless

he is outclassed.

I don't think that would have the intended effect, he wanted to make it so nobody in the world could ignore this, and to make it such that the thought of nuclear war was so unpalatable to everyone, that they would never consider it again. It's like the aftereffects of WW1/2 compared to Vietnam, all were horrific examples of human violence, but the former two left entire nations (even the formerly aggressive imperialist British) and entire generations so put off war that they couldn't fathom ever being in another (and this effect continued until the next few generations "forgot" their history). The British disarmed after WW1 and were very reluctant to enter WW2 despite the encroaching German front precisely because of their previous experience with such war (and also because of other issues like antisemitism in the ruling class and such), for example. The Americans made a huge deal about 9/11 (largely because they'd never actually been attacked on home soil in any significant capacity within the past century), but compare 9/11 to Nagasaki and Hiroshima, which were completely unjustified in my opinion but they had the intended effect of scaring the entire world into submission (which also placed the US at the top of the geopolitical power hierarchy funnily enough), meanwhile 9/11 just led to a generation of warfare the initial cause for which was largely forgotten. The Japanese still remember Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and they completely change the outlook of their country based on it, and the threat of utter destruction should imperialist Japan take up arms again. Imagine if a 9/11 scale attack hit each Capitol City, it would be horrible yes, and a tragic loss of life. But do you really think it would change the outlook of those nations? Now launch a Nagasaki/Hiroshima level attack on the same cities, what do you think the response would be? Because I think the latter would result in a joint commission of those nations working together to prevent this ever happening again, the latter would lead to some form of international treat banning nuclear weaponry completely, and just generally have a much larger effect than the 9/11 scale attack. Also I don't think Adrian has fine control over the energy output, he weaponized the process that Doctor Manhattan uses, but he hasn't had time to completely control every aspect. Not only that, but this probably is the minimum amount of people he thinks will achieve the intended result. If you are going to kill potentially millions of people to achieve world piece, it's probably better to err on the side of caution so they didn't die for nothing.

@@AveSicarius_The Americans made a huge deal about 9/11_ Yeah, they should have just sucked it up. If it had happened anywhere else, it would still be treated with the respect it deserves, but because it's chik and cool the hate america and refuse to empathize with americans, it doesn't fucking matter. Talking about 9/11 the way you do actually makes me feel sick. You're fucked up. _Nagasaki and Hiroshima, which were completely unjustified_ You are so wrong its hard to believe. if the parts of Japan that were redeemable hadn't responded to the bombs by taking the brass and murdering them so they could surrender when they did, the Japanese officials would have forced the americans to kill to genocide the japanese, either through actual demographic obliteration, or getting so close that no culture survives at all. You don't know anything about the actual bombs, Japan's response, or fucking anything. You reek of public education designed to brainwash you into thinking of americans as worthless, evil apes, and its gross.

@@AveSicarius There's also the point that almost-literally annihilating the major cities so it's ludicrously difficult to properly rebuild them is a longer-lasting lesson than completely wiping the places out or merely levelling their CBDs.

I have a mix of respect and loathing. 😁

Dude, stop

@@hahahaaha7208 w*man

@@hahahaaha7208 Female detected, opinion rejected.

What do you expect from modern hollywood Of course, they would turn him into a joke

It is their plan to humilliate and undermine every white male character.

Peak human