We need to have a chat about these 4090 Benchmarks... 

Indeed and generally that's usually the case tech does go down in price barring any unforseen madness like a global pandemic or GPU based crypto mining or both....

I really do think games are at an all time high of being CPU-bound due to how they work internally. For example: Unity is limited by draw calls. Every mesh with every material incurs a draw call, and it's why VRChat runs so bad while barely utilizing a single CPU core or the GPU. It's also part of the reason why Tarkov runs so poorly, though that's mostly down to the insane number of objects they have in the game and the, in my opinion, less then optimal LOD. Engines like UE5 with Nanite and Lumen, and games like Doom are prime examples of the direction that we need to go for future games if we want them to actually take advantage of modern hardware. The hardware we have now is so powerful, I don't think people realize what absolutely crazy things we can do with some optimization.

Exactly. And at those prices, there's no way in hell I'm touching these cards. I already thought jacking up the prices last gen was too much, so I'm going to happily wait this out.

Especially after rDNA3 hopefully brings a good sanity check to the market.

@@DarkSwordsman Draw calls in unity are often easily fixable with optimization from the developers (early on in the project), I guess the problem with VRChat is that the developers aren't really involved in making the maps.

supply and demand 101. People who can afford this will buy it and enjoy it. If you don't got the money then buy an Intel ARC or something

@@TheCameltotem Ha! Let's see how many 4090's will break due the strong bend of the cable. Not sure if everyone is going to "enjoy it" when Nvidia starts blaming them for breaking their 4090, because they bent the cables too much. This adapter is a problem and I am so sure that it's gonna create problems in the future.

@@lgeigerNvidia could have solved the connector problem by having the connector be an L shape where it plugs into the card.

@@raymondmckay6990 Exactly my thought! But I guess that's not a valid solution for a billion dollar company.

@@raymondmckay6990 What Nvidia shouldve done is plan ahead. If they plan to push a new standard, they should have worked with PSU developers 2-4 years ago so at least the high-end PSUs will have that standard available. this is just pure arrogance by Nvidia

Jay, GN, and LTT. The holy trinity.

@@pat7808 I watch all of them. And also Hardware unboxed, Pauls hardware and sometimes hardware canucks(I love their style of videos)

@@punjabhero9706 Yes love the canucks!

@@pat7808 aaaand red gaming tech/hardware meld

@@punjabhero9706 Because this community subscribes to so many others, I was recommended those channels and it MASSIVELY improved my understanding

I agree. Shame on NVIDIA for downplaying this. If you screwed up somewhere in design, own it. Don't hide it.

Honestly though, if someone is that careless as to break off their connector by bending/pulling on the cables, they probably aren't responsible enough to be building/upgrading PCs. PCs aren't adult lego sets. You have to actually be careful with what you're doing. People that break things due to being that careless deserve to lose the money they spend. Hopefully it teaches them a valuable lesson for the future. Better they break a 4090 and learn than to mishandle a car or misfire a gun that can actually harm/kill others.

@@Chris-ey8zf Nope, that's just a sh¡t design, even if the user is careful they would be stuck with an unusable brick or an unsightly opened case until they get one of the 4 cases in the entire market where that crap fits. Jay just showed that he broke the power cable by bending it, so it's not just being careful about not breaking the cheap connector in the PCB.

Vertical mount?

This video and comment aged "well" :)

Exactly - like the very familiar SATA L connectors

Definitely would be smart to have a 90 degree cable to avoid having to bend the cable and risk damaging the gpu .

Whats wrong with having the power connector on the motherboard side of the card and facing down? This is probably going to be the longest expansion card in your case and its not likely you are going to be running two of them.

EZDIV-FAB makes a 8-pin 180 degree power connector that wraps over onto the back plate. I expect them or someone else to make the same thing for the 12-pin. (EDIT: just saw that they have a long 12-pin (not 12+4 pin) to 2x8-pin, so I think they will have one for 12+4)

Was just going to say the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if someone produces a 90 degree plug/extension to solve this problem.

PCB is not long enough on most GPU to put it there. Actually connectors on 4090 FE are on the END of PCB ) Only fan and radiator are behind that point.

I have an MSI 3090ti with the 12 pin connector facing the side panel. These cards are so big, and so long, that if the power connector was at the rear, it would bend even worse. I guess the only benefit to that would be seeing the RGB "carbon" motherboard leds that are hidden by the PCIE wires but then it'd be uglier and the wires in the way of my fans. Now that they don't sell a lot of cases with optical drives, they aren't as long as they used to be. I guess it really comes down to what kind of case you buy. (My 3090ti is in a corsair 4000d, and it fits great, and the adapter doesn't touch the glass)

@@onik7000 that's why they put a little daughter pcb (when it's more than just the power) or just a cable that connects the PCB power IN to whatever place you would like the connector to be (and then fix that connector to the metal or plastics structures from the heatsink), it's not like they can't do what EVGA does, they just don't care that much or the feel it will look "out of place" or "bad", cost is also a thing, but i feel it's very negligible in this case, as it's just a little extra cable and fix points (redesign would be a bummer though, with machining cost and all).

It wasn't even a foresight. Last year I ended up having to send back a FTW3 3080 because I wasn't able to get the glass side panel back onto my Corsair 280x w/ the PCI cables attached to it smh. They could've at least sent out some type of communication to inform buyers that they fixed that issue.

@@onik7000 if only they could invent small pcb boards and capacitors with wiring to add the Power Connectors at the end... if only, what a world we would be living in.

Oh this is good to know! I have a 750 watt power supply, and I think I am going to splurge for a 4090 eventually, coming from a 2070 Super. I'd really rather not upgrade my power supply, and if I can hit 95% graphical power with my current power, then I am more than happy. 4090 is OP as is; I can deal with a 5% graphical power reduction.

@@R1SKbreaker (coming from a person who owned a 750 watt power supply)

​@@R1SKbreaker I would get a 3070 now and then wait for 50 series. That's my suggestion.

@@ryze9153I'm actually just going to stay with 2070 Super until the 5000 series. After I upgraded my CPU, I'm a lot more content with my current setup.

@@R1SKbreaker I'm hoping to have a 3060 ti or somethin like that pretty soon.

Or just next to the cards name

no, Power consumption is just an AMD fanboy Argument just like "no one needs RT anyway" if you are concerned about Power consumption buy a Laptop

@@ramongossler1726 Power consumption is a thing people who pay bills care about, you know people with responsibilities.

@@ramongossler1726 Power consumption raises your power bill, affects what power supply you need and heats up your PC as well as your room. Also although this is a small matter for a single user several people using large amounts of power to run their computer creates pollution and can also cause black/brown outs.

Bills aside, when using something like PCAT so that you actually get a good messure of GPU-powerdraw it would actually be a good way of seeing how system-bottlenecked the card is.

I would say that for most people it's unnecessary. I'm still running a 2080 FE and it does enough for me to play anything on my PC. Unless you're working in CAD or streaming/creating video, you don't really need anything this powerful.

@@originalscreenname44, those of us that only game in 4K would disagree.

@@hoppingrabbit9849 yea, 1440p 160 fps > 4k 90 in my opinion

@@CornFed_3 if you're only gaming in 4k then you need it but most people are playing in 1080p

Ya snooze ya lose bro. Get the 4090 and call it a day.

there goes my plans making a ssf build. the cooler itself is bigger than the entire build

@@woswasdenni1914 if the waterblocks for them are the same as the 3090. It’ll be a quarter the size, if you want a small build custom liquid is going to be the way now

I thought the 3090ti was huge but this thing is a whole nother story, haha.

Agreed, I think my 3080 is massive. But it's nothing compared to that beast of a card. 🙂

@@outlet6989 It'll fit in a full tower case, as long as you don't have drive cages to worry about. And you're thinking EATX, which is for dual-socket MBs

I last week nabbed the 6800xt after seeing a mod video that taxes this card to comfortably run as a 3090ti . Been having some power draw issues thought would have been safe using same modular psu that my dual 1080s .

@@dennisnicholson2466 I saw a article about the same thing! Seems like it requires a custom cooling setup to see real improvements though, and probably doesn't work with every game. If I find myself running up against the card's limits I might consider it

good old 1050ti

Same but msi 6950xt

I got that STRIX 3090 White edition he is showing for $999 2 weeks ago. Been eyeing it for months.

getting rid of my 3080ti for the 4090 lol

@@liandriunreal i just got a 1080 after my 970 died ..lol

3080ti is a great card. Certainly an excellent first build. The cards are getting so good that last gen is worth the savings for me personally. I'm still on a 2080ti running 1440 ultrawide decent. Most single player games I'm fine with at 60fps and online FPS can always drop the resolution if required. I'll probably upgrade to the 3080ti while prices are good.

@@liandriunreal you must hate money 3080ti is more than enough for anything out right now

@@mattgibbia2692 like what? Most games with high detail textures and RT on my 35” UW 1440p monitor are dragging ass with my 3080. Cyberpunk it’s like 45FPS even with DLSS on performance mode. With no DLSS it’s like 15FPS.

Bit of a tangent but what are the recommended psu sizes now?

Gamer's Nexus did some power draw testing, stock was 500w and overclocked with the power limit / power target bumped was pulling over 650w. Seems to me the large coolers are necessary unless AIBs want to set a lower limit than FE.

@@ChenChennesen 10000W if you want to be safe with the transient spikes and future proof it.

@@kimiko41 Wasn't it mentioned in this video that the card got to 3Ghz while maintaining 60-ish degrees in a closed case with factory fan curves? That sounds like even the fe's cooler is arguably overbuilt already.

@@randomnobody660 or NV is binning chips for FE such that they get an advantage.

Then you can take two Ls when buying one of these

@@Digitalplays4090 would be a great card for Blender artists, AI training, and simulations. Not so sure about gaming though.

Interesting thought and I wonder if it has been explored by RnD at nvidia (seems like an obvious thought now that you mention it but it escaped me entirely up until then, so who knows)

@Anonymous did you see 43 FPS in Cyberpunk RT vs 20ish with 3090? Nice uplift for RT titles.

tech ciiy!

@@paritee6488 derBauer too - running at 60% power target was like a 2% fps drop in most titles

Of course, you get diminishing returns after a certain point. This is why there are laptop 3080tis that run at 180W and still get like 70% of the performance of a desktop 3080ti.

@@Trisiton those sound very interesting but I just have one question in my mind tbh: how are the batteries? Just asking so I don't accidentally run into a razer or alienware situation

@@Trisiton 180 watts? on a laptop? those things must only run for a solid 28 seconds

Intel's cards won't be if they are even still making them by that point and didn't give up

If i dont have a card at all (1050ti died on me a year ago). Should i wait or keep the 4090 i ordered?

​@christopherlawrence4191 how is the card? I just got one

That's the one thing that would make the most sense to me. Problem for me is the damn things are so big. I do not want to run a card that big in my case. Those 90 degree adapters should exist regardless though. It's a pretty important piece overall.

Id unironically rather not, rather have a bigger card and better perf. Let some AIB have their trash perf for smaller size

@@leeroyjenkins0 1/3 of cooler size means 1/3 of power needed. Means 150 Watt less you have to pay for. Means cooler temps all around. For 5% penalty in performance.

@@leeroyjenkins0 You are both utterly missing the point, and a perfect example of the type of idiot who lets scalpers (be they the official producer or a third-party) keep stake in the market. Which is what NVIDIA is doing right now by marketing their 4070 as a 4080. Additionally, your comments further paint the picture as someone who doesn't have the money for a 4090 in the first place. You've just demonstrated that you have no understanding whatsoever of how GPUs work. Guess what? With less power draw and 5% less performance, you are still in a range where overclocking can bring that performance back to a degree that is utterly unnoticeable in actual use (this ignoring that we are talking loss of 1-3 frames or so in most real-world loads). Furthermore, that reduced power consumption? Less wear on parts, means more reliability, not just on your gpu, but also psu. This is also ignoring that the transient spikes that were being caused by GPUs are still unsolved as of yet, and are capable of killing other parts in the system (yes, they are claiming the new power supply standard solves it, but those aren't commercially available yet and will likely have most consumers priced out for the first year or two. It's also a really bad precedent to be having a totally new power standard for PSUs popping up solely because one manufacturer refuses to work toward efficient use of power). Further yet, momentary power spikes were what was consistently killing 3080ti and 3090 cards, yet nvidia's response was, to my knowledge 'we added more capacitors' which isn't a solution, as those capacitors will still end up getting blown. Put bluntly, Nvidia tim tayloring it in search of tiny advancements in performance is absolutely a bad idea, from engineering, consumer, and environmental positions. Literally from every reasonable and informed position, it's a bad idea. Furthermore, that power draw actually is reaching the point where a high end pc will risk overtaxing standard american in-home circuits. The TLDR here, is that NVIDIA absolutely did not have to draw that much power for a substantial performance gap over last gen. They are being exceedingly lazy/arrogant and trying to brute force the situation in a way that is almost certainly going to result in failing cards and potentially damage to other parts in the system.

Personally, I think NVidia took a look at what AMD has in the pipeline and decided to go all out. Because they'd probably have been beaten in the benchmarks if they didn't. Although given how huge the coolers they've strapped on to their cards are, I don't understand why they haven't just abandoned air cooling for these cards and just gone with water cooling only.

I heard that was more an issue with the manufacturing process. The one they originally planned warranted the 600W and massive coolers, but the one they ended up using sits at 450W and doesn't need those monsters.

That performance sells lol this card gonna be sold out

Honesty just gonna stay with my 3080ti cuz of that

@@eclipsez0r that's the most disappinting part about this.

@@eclipsez0r yup, I already hit the plug up.

people who would spend money to 3090ti before crypto crash have every reasone to buy 4090 cards especially with those insane performance jumps. Yeah we hate NVIDIA, they are dick and overpriced but let's stop being stupid here, their product is still absolutely competitive that's why people still buy them, they are not pointing a gun at you.

yes evga all the way

Excited too, but I'm going to be shocked if their top of the line can get close (single digits) in fps to this in most games. The uplift in rasterization alone is insane.

@@surft Well leaks suggest they do match it, sometimes even beat it. I do expect RNDA3 to be very very good.

@@surft AMD and NvIdia both expect AMD to *win* in pure raster performance by 5-20% with the 7950XT

@@roccociccone597 the leaks always say that though. Literally for the last 3 generations there have always been links that AMD has something huge coming and then they release some solid cards but nothing like the leaks hype up.

@@jakestocker4854 well rdna 2 was pretty accurate. And they mostly match nvidia. So I’m optimistic amd will manage to match or even beat nvidia in raster and get very close in ray tracing. And I hope they won’t be this expensive

@reality8793he thinks he’s smart 😂

AMD has fuck all. Buy what you want now, or spend yoursl life waiting

@@Malc180s lmao. Probably a userbrnchmark fan boy. AMD has the 3D vcache. The 5800X3D's tech will only improve with age, they've stated it not just applicable to CPUs, but GPUs as well.

@@georgejones5019 Is it going to improve their shocking ray tracing performance?

@@georgejones5019 the sounds false. GPUs are a lot less latency sensitive than CPUs are.

@@HeloisGevit Ray tracing is just another tactic to make you buy their next latest and greatest cards, let alone the last 2 gens of cards have been been bad for Ray tracing. This 4090 is the first card that can actually manage it properly

Do that kind of thing with high-end military hardware and it works really well and is robust.

Better to wait for ATX3.0 PSU's to release instead of an Adapter.

@@andytroschke2036 They are already available

@@antonchigurh8343 where? All I can find is ATX 2.4 with a 12VHPWR. ATX3.0 hast several other additions

Good idea! I waited for a while and recently went the used gpu route and got a 3080 for $550. But im sure prices will drop a little more, just keep an eye out!

3090 prices dropped like Crazy in Sweden the past weeks. From 2600-ish USD to 1300 USD now. So I'm upgrading my brand-new rig which has the 3060ti to a 3090. 4000 series, it's overkill for any game right now and the coming years unless you NEED 4K ultra at max fps... My 3060ti will go into a future desktop I'll get for my old room at my moms place. Hate for it just be abandoned.

@@Bdot888 i might look into something used actually. Not something ive ever thought about doing but it could save alot of cash!

@@Erikcleric definitely not in the market for anything over 1k but the way prices have been trending, i dont think that’s something ill have to worry about soon. I get not wanting to toss parts, it feels like such a waste. Ive got a bunch of old parts taking up space in my closet that im never going to touch again but i cant get myself to get rid of them lol.

Nvidia is too damn egoistic and they are fully aware of frying 12 vhpwr connectors as well as it's very low durability. They just don't give a damn about anyone except their bottom line. So, if you fry your PC or break their connector off the PCB they think everyone will go out and by another 4090. The only way they will do anything about it is if there is massive backlash publicly especially if people start frying their PCs en masse due to the low durability of the 12 vhpwr 4 way adapter.

This one isn't a big concern to me... I buy a top end GPU every 4 years or so unless something breaks (for example, my 980 TI broke, MSI didn't have any left so the sent me a check, I got a 1080TI) I build the PC and I don't ever touch it again really, then I build a new PC years later. Who the hell is hooking and unhooking the cables constantly? On my list of care issues, this is really low, unless I am misunderstanding, its only an issue if you hook and unhook it 30 times.

@@Cruor34 cool

a 90 degree connector would make things a lot better/easier, surely nvidia or an aib can find a little space and just have the connector just come directly out of the bottom of the pcb, would direct the cable straight down where most cases have the power supply

@@Cruor34 that 30 times was under "ideal conditions" which means with the cable being inserted straight in with no wiggle and without bending the cable. its almost certainly a lot less than 30 times if you bend or insert the cable in "not ideal" conditions. also keeping it in a tight angle might wear the cable/port down over time and considering this connector could be a serious fire hazard this is completely unacceptable.

That cable solution is just lazy. A 90 degree adapter with about 20CM of cable before they split it, would be a lot cleaner and easier for customers to fit into cases

Someone will make an adapter eventually. For my 3090’s I got u-turn adapters that have been excellent since launch. No bends needed at all

I am not a betting man but what is the chance that they didn't create one so that the after market do create them and then can charge a 79 or 99 dollars for them as an extra part? Remember they put caps on prices, so that would be a way for them to give, say asus, an easy way to make 50 or 70 dollars extra on the 4k series that technically doesn't count in the price of the gpu itself.

@@joee7452 Since nvidia seems to treat their AIBs with utter contempt as shown with evga leaving the GPU market entirely because of nvidia, I somehow doubt that's the reason.

I bet they planned to do but sometimes it is too late to implement.

I've been waiting for what's next across the board for 3 years now, whether it's due to cost or lack of power, most of the things I've been interested in has pushed to the side. I have a 3080 12gb and i7 8700k so I'm happy enough for now. Will be looking at Intel's next cpu though

@@Silver1080P Do you find your 8700k bottlenecks your 3080? what kind of resolution do you play at?

Why on GPU’s that powerful and huge they need space and proper cooling? As hell as a high wattage PSU. SFF builds are good for low to mid range PC’s.

Never understood the point of putting high wattage cards in itx builds , very stupid.

Tbh the engineering challenge of getting that much power in a small space seems fun and I’ve had a mid tower for like idk 15 years lol I just wanna try something different

@@shadowjulien5 you buying cutting edge hardware just so it can be throttled in a itx setup , unless you are doing a custom loop i see no point.

@@Adonis513 thats the point of the challenge they talked about. if they can get it to run properly on air, thats a win. if they can fit cooling in that tiny box, its a win. for some people, just chucking big ass parts with big ass numbers in a big ass case with big ass airflow, well, it's boring as hell, regardless of performance.

Those will finally be viable and not useless lmao

Maybe not, but any of the other 6950 XT numbers still apply. They likely all perform within 1-2% of each other. Bitchin' card though. Even with the 4090 released.

Red Devil and XFX/Sapphire has always been my favorites when I've had AMD Cards. Red Devils seem to be what EVGA was to Nvidia. With XFX/Sapphire coming close.

@@vespermoirai975 idk if I'd call the Red Devils that as the Red Devil RX 480 actually cut a lot of corners. Mostly applied to overclockers, but I'd still refrain from running Furmark on them. Unless you want to risk damaging them. Old card now, but still a relevant issue.

@@ArtisChronicles If I remember right there was a thermal pad fix for that. Could be thinking the R9290

@@ArtisChronicles I had a Red Devil 580 and I loved it. That was their top tier card. Red Dragon below it, and then any other models. I wanted a Red Devil 6800XT but prices were ridiculous. Finally got cheaper but got a 6900XT Gaming Z for less.

Personally Im totally fine playing in 1080p and the 3060ti is more than capable of playing every game I own on ultra settings with at least 100fps . I got it in a $1800 CAD pre-built PC during the chip shortage , while people were paying that much for a 3080 by itself. I felt like I made out like a bandit and still feel super good about that purchase.

thats why i went with a 67000 xt for my upgrade. running 60fps on a 4k monitor. i watch youtube and streaming services more than i play now, so it made the best choice for me.

More impressive is the fact that it comes very close to the 4090 in some games at 2K/4K.

@@craiglortie8483 same I mean 4 k at 60 fps for single player Is really fine, I only Envy More fps for competitive but playing comp at 4k Is NOT even a thing.

@@FlotaMau I play war thunder fine with my Philips monitor. The settings I turn down are the same as I would to improve game play. I stay locked between 55-60 fps all game. Lose a few ms from monitor but nothing I don't lose from age.

@@taekwoncrawfish9418 I don't think it will be quite so linear, but we shall see.

@@carlwillows benchmarks dropped it’s pretty Linear

@@taekwoncrawfish9418 same architecture lol right everything

I nailed a great deal on a 3080 last month, and I'm all sorts of happy. It will last me a long time. Most likely somewhere around the 5000 to 6000 cards.

@@Its_Me_Wheelz For sure. I had my 980 ti up until recently. The 30-series are going to last a long time.

@@Angsaar011 In all honestly, I was running a 2060 super, and it ran everything I play with no problems. Mainly ESO, HLL, COD, and a few others in that kind of games. I had no intentions of upgrading. But like a said, I got a great deal on the 3080 and so, here I am.

You should have waited for this card.

@@yyorophff786 not at these prices.

Agreed. Even mid-range GPUs are way more than good enough for gaming on a monitor. VR is what really pushes a card now. Flat-screen gaming is yesterday's tech. How does the 4090 improve MSFS in VR.. that's a more 'worthy opponent'.

VR is growing? Last I checked it was stagnant with declining interest and sales.

I'd love to see a 3090 vs 4090 comparison on a Reverb G2 headset in the most popular VR games.

has the VR landscape changed? VR requires a fluid high framerate so much that no (sane) game developer takes any risks. or has this changed? When I bought into VR (CV1), every game targeted RX470-RX480 (GTX980/GTX1060). I somewhat got stuck on BeatSaber so didn't follow evolution since, but to my memory, the only games back then to break with this were flatscreen ports to VR.

Vr remains gimmicky

It is justifiable. Take the performance increase per dollar into account. The 4090 costs more, but it gets a lot more fps. If you have a 1440p 240Hz panal and a high end cpu you will feel that increase. The 3090 will feel S L O W in comparison.

@@jondonnelly4831 Old flagship GPUs were the beasts of their time yet the price increase wasn't as tremendous over a single generational leap.

Exactly, my full tower Thermaltake Core X71 wouldn't even shut the glass side panel with one of these mounted. If I went vertical mount, the card would be starved for air shoved flush with the glass. No thought about current cases on the market was given when making these GPUs.

just cut a hole in the side like a supercharger sticking out of a muscle car hood

Imagine this in an O11D Mini.. 😅

Cost of the card, cost of a new PSU, and cost increase of electricity to run this monster. Nah… I’m good.

Part of that is because only 1-2% of people are vr players and many have standalone VR headsets that dont interface with a pc

I have the Reverb G2, They brought out a new powered cable due to connection issues. (usb wasn't providing enough power) Side note: I have a 1080ti. looking towards a The AMD equivilent of the 4080. (I'm boycotting Nvidia)

Same bro

Same

SAME

I skipped, but I don't have autism.

Facts.

That was cheap I bet 😂

same - looking at a 3090

@@exq884 wait to see if the 4080 is better or the new amd card

I'm in the same boat. I saw a 3090 for $950 on newegg two weeks ago and sniped it. I'm kinda sad that the 4090 is so much better, but at the same time I was super excited to finally get my hands on a 30 series. Still a massive leap from my previous card.

@@zerogiantsquid Life is about being happy with what you are able to get, rather than being upset about not obtaining perfection.

Just bought rx 6900 xt for 800 euro lol prices are good.

What I've seen from the test is that there is no need for me to get a 4090. I play none of the games tested, so there is no interest.

i dont think its worth upgrading a 3070 at least for another two gens

@@adamahmadzai2357 depends what resolution you play it honestly.. for 1080p and 1440p no not really but for 4k yeah it's a big deal. Then again DLSS makes 4k gaming on a 3070 much better

@@malazan6004 3070 has the power for 4K DLSS, but not the VRAM. I’m finding that out trying to run my HP reverb G2

I’m sitting this out too. I was hoping for a 4070 12gb with 3090 perf for $550-600. Let’s be real, the 4070 is $900 and is called the 4080 12gb. This means the 4070 they actually release won’t be much faster than a 3070.

Yeah I have a 3080, just gonna skip this gen. Not worth the upgrade, I dont even use the 3080s full potential, Nvidia should have waited for games to catch up cause even brand new releases aren't utilizing the cards fully unless you have a stupidly expensive setup and with motherboards becoming as expensive as the CPUs the money you would otherwise have saved with lowering solid state memory prices and DDR4 is wasted now that we've got ddr5 as mainstream on most new platforms. I'm happy with my 3700x and a 3080, I only play at 1440p so I'm good thanks. That price drop pisses me off though, I could have gotten buy on my 1080ti if I had of known they would drop prices by that much.

We'll only get there if people stupidly keep buying 'bad' (meaning unreasonable or absurd) products.

Oh yeah. Not talking about how throwing 600w of heat inside the PC case is a bad idea too. I'm pretty sure we will start using external GPU like some gaming laptop did.

That was true for 3090ti, this is much more efficient and doesn't have those crazy 2-2.5X transient spikes 3090ti had, and you can target 60% power and only lose 10% of the performance. If you want you can even use it with only 3 pins attached on much lower watt PSU.

Der8auer tested tuning the power target and the 4090 got about 90% performance at 60% power target.

@@Daswarich1 Those are amazing numbers. Well worth the compromise IMO

Technically the only thing a gpu transfers it's electricity to is to heat. So it's technically as efficient as your electric radiator 😂 and a free side effect if you need the heating!

I run a 3090 + lots of high end components in north Norway and i dont need any heating in my gaming area i can say 😁 they do produce enough heat and 2/3 of the year i even need 2 open my windows haha 😅 So the high powerdraw kinda translates to heating the house 😅

Holy hell. How much is your energy bill? I thought mine was bad in AZ when I had a 250 dollar bill for a month in a studio apartment in the summer.

@@TheVoiceOFMayhem1414 Nice! My idea is to adjust the fan curve on my GPU so they don't kick in till temps exceed 70 degrees. I think that way my PC could generate some heat while idle thanks to wallpaper engine always running and working the GPU a bit. Could save some electricity! 🙂

Get a 3090 (not TI) instead. Decent performance, less overall wattage, and it can double as a heater with the hotspot potentially hitting 100c.

daym bro ur rich

I'm waiting for the day where Jay "changes" the iFixit ad by just adding even more explosions.

Thanks for sharing the info re: cablemods 90 degree cable 👍🏽.