We Need To Talk About Minecraft's Community... 

To be clear IM NOT QUITING MODDED MINECRAFT! Just covering the stuff surrounding it, im going to focus on developers rather then historical and current events Also, join discord? discord.gg/cygnusmc

I love how they call Mojang lazy but they themselves can't research a bit about Mojang's history and behaviour towards their employees.

Never forget that rage and controversy sells and gains clicks. The real community is truly quite positive, but so many people are vocal about desiring change. Pay attention to the people who are truly positive. They are the pillars of the community.

I am a mod dev. And like yeah, technically we can push out a lot of features, maybe more than Mojang itself. But we don't have to worry about the game itself, the servers, the technicalities. And we got bugs, many bugs. So, mods are mods, and while awesome, their success does not mean Mojangs failure. Sure they have made mistakes, but who doesn't? They are trying to fix it and I believe they are doing so really Well! And for the question of mod loaders: who cares, really? Yeah sure, sometimes I see a cool fabric mod that I as a forge user can't use, but oh well. All four are good, what's the issue.

People like you are DESPERATELY needed in the Minecraft’s shitty community. You are one of the most positive people I’ve seen in this community in years and this video is fantastic. No fancy editing, no doomposting, none of that bullshit. It’s all genuine. Honestly, Minecraft itself isn’t dead, but the community is on the brink of dying and you’re one of those few diamonds in a community that’s now full of dirt.

Finally, thank you! its so cool to find a RU-vidr who isn't all "Oh no Mojang is so lazy they're killing the game and the mob vote is evil" for clickbait. Honestly I think nearly all of the "heated topics" people are constantly arguing about and blaming Mojang for have a pretty simple explanation if you just stop and actually think about it for a minute, and I find it really annoying when even massive creators with lots of influence just blindly follow these trends. Either way, thank you for making this! been watching you for a decent while now and love your videos!

I originally almost entirely left the Minecraft community back in October because it was just so damn hateful. I’m a third-party creator for D&D, and that game’s creators are actual corporate assholes who tried to illegally deauthorize the license people like me use to make stuff and make a living. We fought back and won. And then, a couple months later, here are these spoiled little brats trying to act like they’re oppressed and that they’re rightfully taking what’s there’s?! It made me goddamn sick. Mojang is one of the best developers out there. Good content, healthy business practices, and listens to the community. This community doesn’t deserve Mojang.

There has been so much misinformation and hostility, and it's crazy how pretty much no one with any kind of platform has been talking about it. Thank you for making the video, stuff like this is the only real way to make the community better

Mojang isn't lazy, they are scared of any change beyond simple block additions

we hate on everything for no reason and uh "i use every modloader i can find btw"

It's been almost a year since this channel started and then I started watching it (yes I was there early luckily). And this video shocked me in how "angry" you are at the rest of the Minecraft community for just complaining, and I understand you. I hope you keep making videos because they are very interesting and often talk about things that can't be seen anywhere else. 100 people might be able to talk about why mojang is lazy or something but there is only one person who tells us about the history of modloaders and server software and that is you! We all love this game so we have to appreciate all the good things sometimes. And uhh where is the price of 7:58? 😜

Another example is 1.20 when it was in early dev and they announced only features that were complete & not announce things that arent fully coded yet & make disappoint, but players still complained, just like when biome revamp was not in 1.19 & cave update got split in 2

Only 1 minute in the video and I agree Edit: This comment wasn't intended to be a top comment, but okay 😅

Minecraft is truly cooking on the datapack side!! Idk about people but the datapack community /modding community is on a high time rn, with stuff like yungs better structures or better end/nether mods! personally im grateful for it too, cause i use a lot of the cool stuff minecraft offers to code :)

First Minecraft video to actually speak some facts

I truly wish watching this video was mandatory. I have never seen a prior video of yours and I can literally hear your love and dedication for this game/community. I feel the same way.

Good video straight to the point ! Regarding the buyout and delay between 1.8 and 1.9. I actually attended all the irl Minecraft Summit in Stockholm And jeb said at one of them that the delay was cause by the legal process. Bassicly the whole code was put on pause and nothing could be added until the buying process was finalized, wich took close to a year. Then after they sought to correct the game from all the Notch code, wich took several update as we know. Hope that help clear up a bit this past event.

Amazing, I appreciate you sharing the truth on this! your like the only person ive seen actually be kind about this!

Your channel *seriously* needs more attention!

I'm watching again this video after about one month and I want to say that what you do is excellent. You can talk about stuff without much controversy and without all of that misinformation. Thanks for what you do for us, for Minecraft community! ♥

6:27 Thank you for brining this up, fr. I think the main thing that I would say on this though is that cubicmetre's was seriously lacking in the department of explaining that paper is not bad, but that it is not for technical players. I think he was pissed because he was getting a ton of comments of people asking why things don't work on paper, and that showed in the video. The video itself was informative, but also horrifically simplified and the title was quite misleading.

Your videos are some of the best documentation of history related to Minecraft. I hope you can still make interviews and historically relevant content. I understand why the community is making you hate trying to produce this stuff, but it's so valuable, I hope you can find a way to make more anyhow.

I too have been very frustrated with some of the toxicity coming out of the Minecraft community as of late, but I will say that I don't think the whole space is rotten to the core, and it *is* possible to step away from the toxicity and find communities and groups that aren't that bad. I do think a lot of the toxicity has been a vocal minority that has ruined it for a lot of people, but I think the best possible solution is to simply be the change you want to see. I personally have started trying to go back to the simpler way of playing Minecraft, not caring about all the opinions that are constantly being thrown around, and I have sometimes been surprised to find myself simply enjoying things that I would have normally thought I wouldn't like. Even though I personally may not like everything that mojang has done in more recent years (frankly, I never liked everything that was changed, so nothing new there) the game I once loved is still there to be played and enjoyed. Don't let them take that away from you :) I've appreciated your efforts to cover less well known projects that are attempting to unite mod loaders, and your efforts to shout the pros of all the mod loaders (rather than blindly subscribing to one or the other). Choose to continue making videos or not, but thank you for what you have done.

"I use 69420 fps mod loader btw 🤓" joking aside you are completely right the actual problem are RU-vidrs which is why I watch you. You are different than them and more like a normal person also sorry for that recording session o7 (yes I didn't find the damn emoji)

I always change my mod loader to fit the experience, trying to find the middleground where everyone can have fun together. When others have problems, I will just recommend your channel. If this brings you negative comments, then I am sorry and I really enjoy what you create. Maybe you will have an impact on some people for the better.

MAAAAAN - dont even think about stoping making videos! stay determined my brother in arms!

>Paper is not designed for technical players One of the issues with Paper that Cubicmetre brought up: it's Bukkit fork that keeps dangling a lot of outdated stuff. Also he shown a case when Paper happen to perform much worse than Fabric server AKA just vanilla MC with a little bit of extra™ >Fabric at the moment does not have the tools for *list of things* I guess you didn't even bother to look up for server side mods then. Recommend to check out Patbox's mods btw, he did a lot of cool stuff in this regard and even beyond >Forge can be performant For owners of weak machines it's often the case that they literally can't launch Forge modpack consistent of similar mods as Fabric counterpart. I've heard of plenty of such cases. And even when mid tier PC is on the table, when we're speaking in hundreds of mods, each FPS, each TPS is a huge victory. People don't use ton of optimization mods to play Bedwars in 5000 FPS, they do so to play modded in stable 60 FPS rather than witnessing their stable 60 FPS dropping to 10

Please dont stop making content you creat, at least take heart that you are making a change in a broken community, and it is only people like you who can revive the good side of the community.

Uuuugh yeah I totally agree. A lot of these types of people are impossible to talk to: “ah kissing the ass of a major corporation again I see.” It’s like dude no I’m just saying your expectations for updates are outrageous and you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

It's helpful to remember that the 1 percent of reddit nerds online, that complain about the mob vote or whine that the updates are "boring," are only a small minority of the overall Minecraft player base. Most players will see the new armadillo and go "Wow new mob? Neat!" or "My wolf can have armor now? Wow!" Instead of going into a 3 hour geek rant about the literary complexities of Minecraft and how it "lost" its original illustrious charm.

This is a great video! I know Mojang may have made some bad decisions, but recently they're adressing many community suggestion. There are awesome features added for data packs, such as custom paintings, banners, discs and even enchantments. And resource packs have been receiving good updates since 1.17, like the ability to use core shaders. Someone even made a resource pack that is like a shader (It's called VanillaPuddingTart).

Such an great video

Finally! I've been tired with the minecraft community for a while now I've felt like I was the crazy one. Thank god, someone with a following said something.

i checked in after a few months and this guy is still underrated as hell

Love this raw emotional rant. Keep that spirit man.

If you going, a voice of reason will go out too and there are not plenty of these; We desperately need some At least, you, yes, you are the source where I get my minecraft news and you are a great source where I inform myself too, one of few I just think we do need your voice and of course, it is your choosing if it will still be out there, but I just want you to know all of this does matter, even if just for my case only! You do matter, and your voice does make a change Nonetheless hope you have an amazing day bludster👍

I need to say, I see you and two other Minecraft RU-vidr (Flowstate, Waxfraud) as the future of Minecraft Content. Wish you all the best for this channel (:

That's what I was talking about for the past few years. I hope that RU-vid trend of speaking shìt about everything in this game will end here. We need more content makers that will spread voice of reason so that people learn to appreciate what they have.

This video pretty much sums it up. The only thing I campaign for is to make everything on a single loader, kinda like the old days when we only had Risugami's. For this I suggest Fabric because it's very lightweight and minimal, fast to update and is already home for a ton of solutions, but nothing prevents a new loader to be made exactly for this purpose. I look at Paper and I realize that it can very well live in modules inside something like Fabric, its API be split from most of the optimizations. The whole community needs to wake up. People don't realize that there will always be drama and splitting into projects solves nothing, that the more we split the more we hurt ourselves. The same goes for Linux, the recent Hyprland fiasco is disgusting from every point of view as an example. We need to stay strong. Lunar and everyone that helps keep this amazing channel alive, keep doing your job, we need to start somewhere and having an educator like this one is a great milestone.

I relate how you feel at the end, i was to bullied and this game was there to distract me from secondary school hell. I opened it up in 2017 first time in few years and still today in college

I'm agreeing with almost everything in the video but the one thing I hate the most is that Minecraft seems to not care about the redstone community at all. They refuse to add quasi-connectivity to autocrafters (which wouldn't just open a whole new world of opportunities, it would also be more consistent since droppers and dispensers react to qc already) and didn't wanted copper bulbs to have a one game tick delay just because these kind of things don't exist in bedrock. But as a redstoner who made redstone in both versions, redstone in java is waaaayy better than redstone in bedrock, it's more reliable (due to update order) and there are a lot more things possible in java than in bedrock (also because of qc). So there should rather make bedrock redstone more similar to java than the other way around (the only thing I miss in java are movable block entities). The things Minecraft didn't want to do because of bedrock where also things everybody in the redstone community heavily wishes to be done and I see no reason to not listen to the redstone community when it comes to redstone features since they know best what's best for Minecraft redstone. I just think there's no one in the Minecraft team that has knowledge about redstone and they don't think it's a big deal for the redstone community to implement the new redstone components differently (not how the redstone community wishes). I also have the feeling Minecraft hates that qc exists in java but they can't just remove it since this would break too much. Minecraft just disappointed me as a redstoner too often lately the reason why I lost all the hype for the new update and even quitted Minecraft. I don't get why Minecraft doesn't listen to the redstone community at all.

i think your right however i think a abstract rant about "the community" is fundamentally analysis that does not properly adress or exsplain the causes for all these things i think it would be better for a more indepth systemic analysis for why this is so in the first place.

Good job. That's exactly my opnion. Finally, a youtuber is talking facts about community ❤

I’m also frustrated with the negativity and cynicism. That said, I think your videos are helping to make a case for those of us who appreciate Mojang and the Minecraft community. I hope you continue to create optimistic Minecraft content to celebrate the community as a whole! ☺️

Just found your channel and can't wait to check out your other Videos about modloaders. I love mods and I love modern minecraft. Although there is a lot of negative people in the community right now, we shouldnt try to prove them wrong, but rather just enjoy the game. That will do the trick.

I have been playing and watching videos about minecraft for over 10 years and I have never encountered any hatred, rants or anything similar. I just play, mod and watch let's plays. Only after watching your videos, I get confronted with this and I was very upset about it, because you are one of the view that cover modding on a technical and developer interview level. You are part of this and you actively contribute. I am looking forward to your change in direction, specifically ignoring the negative aspects. Celebrate the communities and the devs, instead of calling people out. Share joy, not distaste. But PLEASE stick to modding! You are one of the view creators who cover it from the perspective of developers and technicalities.

I needed this video

I play on bedrock and it’s tiring arguing with friends and I hate it. Someone needs to stop the Java community from being so hateful.

Great video

i never thought it was possible, but its happening! people im this community are finally realising how the toxicity im here against mojang and other things is total bullshit, seriously this video is awesome, never related so much to someone about this game

I use a custom launcher with every major mod loader built in.

I would hope that on the side of custom modifications more projects would merge, especially the mod loaders/server software, so that most shortcomings can be addressed. Like something like cures forge did to modding so setting up servers for your needs get easier for all the ppl that are hosting servers on one server software with then a browser for server configs so with every part being modular but i guess this will probably not happen any time soon if at all.

The smartest movie I've seen this year. Greetings from Poland 👌

Well spoken!

The community sucks but we cant change that really. Id say 1.16 was actually the biggest mistake of mojang, if mojang knew how much backlash bcs of the following updates being more "lazy", "small" and "mild" then they would forcefully break the 1.16 into two The community just expects new ores, dimensions, biomes every update. Even when we get an end update people will want more afterwards. Mojang needs to mkae the people understand

Oh, btw, there's a few other youtubers that share your opinions about the community being too negative, check out Xisumavoid. There's stuff on his xisumasays channel, a video explaining why mods aren't integrated into vanilla on the main channel, and a couple others iirc. I think the only way for the narrative to start shifting is to start forming groups/quasi-groups of youtubers that sometimes discuss this with each other in videos. The main problem is probably it being mentally taxing, but on the other hand having a thinking, reasonable person to talk to usually improves your mental health.

I only use the OG Risugamis Mod Loader with Elemental Arrows, More Stackables, Sign Tags, Death Chest, AudioMod, Floodgate, Spawner GUI, (most importantly) Block Distortion, Griefer Creepers, Recipe Book, Shelf, Biosphere and Armor Stand. And then I throw in ejhopkins Wild Grass and the one crystals Mod I can't seem to find ever again..

This is so, SO true.

It has been quite a while since I last subscribed to a Minecraft RU-vidr. I am also sick of the complaining, and ungrateful people in this community. I started playing Minecraft at the end of 2019, and I've seen a lot of stuff and learned a lot about the game. I would have never thought a game would last as long as Minecraft has. The fact that it even gets updated still is amazing. Sure, there have been things in updates I didn't like, but it's still Minecraft. Thanks for sharing something different than other content creators, your video seemed genuine.

Instead of saying mojang is "lazy" they should be developing more tools to make updating minecraft easier. They also need to work on increasing performance for minecraft by maybe trying to implement features from mods into minecraft, like immediately fast, memory leak fix, ferritecore, and entity culling. It does not need to be done all at once, just get added eventually. Infact, this approach has already been done with the starlight mod.

the distance in time between the peak of minecraft and its revival is the same as the distance of time between the revival and now. we have gone through another cycle, perhaps its time for the community to die down again.

This is the reason why I enjoy the Beta-Minecraft content so much lately. People still upload videos playing beta 1.7.3 and even encouraged me to play it myself. I enjoy it, it's simple, it doesn't have overcomplicated mechanics that have been added and started a new war on why Minecraft "sucks" nowadays, no arguments about which version is better, yada yada... JUST a simple version of Minecraft you have to get into because it's been such a long time. And it's great! Now Imagine needing a year to release an update, changing things over and over and over again and having so many meetings over some pixel content for a game. And when you finally did it, your boss is finally happy and your anger towards this whole situation can be turned into a feeling of pride and happiness, some smooth brained-"organisms" as I would call them here rn, go into the internet, talk big as if they could do everything better and call YOU lazy after making all of this. It's not like Microsoft is the reason updates take so long. Look at the poisonous potato update. They could fingersnap new features into the game like Thanos, but Microsoft wouldn't let them. I feel like every community gets ruined by some annoying sh*ts online nowadays... can't have fun after 2015, awe man

Thank you. Period. Just thank you.

2:26 i love how the car is going backwards to represent him going back to the statements of people one by one

minecraft players probably care about few pixels more than their lives, i think it's all started with the fireflies getting canceled and damn peope still care about fireflies so much.

I’ve been so tired of the mod loader war, I’m happy you mentioned it I remember asking about devs using sinytra connector for the port a few days later someone said forge sucks or fabric is better (idr remember) I was like the eye blinking and “what” meme

hell i'm a technical player and even i play on places with spigot or paper sometimes what we're saying isn't it's bad overall, it's great at what it aims to do, it's just not good for vanilla survival

Lately I am getting one controversy video after another. The worst part? Most of them have under 100 views! Btw, I am so glad soemone is finally talking about the real issue.

Like I heard in a video about something similar to "Minecraft sucks" or something. Is, "Just play the game". Which I think is so true, to stop the hatred, and just play the game you love. CygnusMC stay save man.

You sound like an voice of reason, in an ocean of yelling. I have seen a lot of videos like you said and your perspective is honestly refreshing and reasonable. I didn't even know Minecraft had an mod loader or the server issues. This is a pretty good video, enough so I wanted to comment, its an shame you are tired by the community's toxicity.

i reformed my wax cube to this video

I just hope that eventually, we get a modloader that everyone can agree on. I know its probably not going to happen, but one can dream. I do greatly appreciate mods like Sinytra connector for trying to achieve this, and i'm not trying to hate on one modloader or the other, I just think it would be really nice if everything could be done together.

I know it's dumb, but It was a jumpscare seeing my comment in the video.

I would call myself a technically interested persaon in regards to Minecraft and have played around and created things with commands blocks from some time. For every snapshot that comes out, I am as much, if not moreso (sometimes) interested in the technical changes to commands, datapacks and more that allow people to create continuously more awesome things inside of Minecraft and I think Mojang has been doing a nice job in bringing the game forward in that aspect with really interesting changes and additions.

Banger video

thank you thank you thank you thank you

I'll be honest, I admire the mojang of the present, while they have their flaws, the fact that they allow, and encourage creative modding and changing to their game in general is a decision that can keep minecraft alive even when the game is in between long update times. And for the record, I use any modloader I can get my hands on which play the mods I want to use.

This is the most red-pilled and based piece of educational content I've seen in a while man. Minecraft is not what you choose to see as, it's just Minecraft, a fricking block game. I don't really care about hatred or whatever the hell others say, I just want more absolutely magnificent jokes about watching shorts on a toilet. So please don't quit as this is one of the only channels to fulfill our basedness needs

That taxi really was going backwards huh or my eyes are playing tricks on me

What about the 1.20.5 - 1.21 update? What is your expectation and opinion on that?

Hey Cygnus, I hopped on the train a bit late, but lately I've been back on minecraft after 5/6 years of so, and started watching your videos as a consequence. I just wanted to point out the fact that, unfortunately, the drama part of a community is always the noisiest one. What I'm trying to say is, some people don't act like you described in the video, they just don't speak up as commonly as the "haters". For this reason I also wanted to let you know that, that quiet part of the community not only loves you, and the content you are portraying, but also would be much sad if you stopped making it!

Great video, overall a good summary of what is souring the community rn. It's definitely unfair to criticize Mojang for being lazy for not "making enough content", as overworking the devs is not really something good for them or the game. Although I do think they can be more adventurous with the changes they decide to implement (a good example is the crab claw, it would've changed minecraft in a very significant manner) while scrapping some of the more boring changes to relocate dev time, I can't really blame Mojang's devs for not working enough, my dissatisfaction has mostly come from the approach they have taken. As for the modded side, I wholeheartedly agree with your points of the community. Having used most modloaders throughout my years in Minecraft, I can definitely say all of them have their uses. I just wish none of these modloaders or bukkit-derivative software tried to establish themselves as the status quo for every player. Paper can't market itself as being for every server, as it doesn't explicitly state that it has made any compromises to any unknowing player. Fabric on the other hand works well with small amounts of mods, however it can't really compare itself to Forge in heavily modded scenarios. Every loader has something it excells at as opposed to the others, and trying to market one as "the ultimate loader" is just misleading. Those were my ramblings, I hope they weren't too incoherent lol.

LINUX MENTIONED! +1 sub

I bought the game ten years ago. Im actually happy and suprised that it still have updates. I feel that people just nitpick.

Minecraft has been in my life since beta, scine leaving school, getting married, even now my daughter plays it with me and I have a son on the way who will undoubtedly join too. That fact that it is a quality game that has stood the test of time should tell the community, everything we need to know about it

Great video, I wish there was a modloader that allowed any mod to be used with it.

Hate is something that happens to big games like this and I do have my own personal problems with the game. I do believe that most of the newer content is a bit more fun than past updates, not saying they are bad, but all new content adds more value to the the game but most don't want to accept newer content, because some people are not to adaptable to change. My point of this comment is not to gain anything none other than hopes that this community starts to accept that this game is bound to change, evolve, all overall be a better game, everyone in my views needs to accept the roots of the game and if notch was still the owner of the ip, minecraft would be a hell load different.

Fabric does have the Tools for Mini Game Servers... there is a Server called Nucleoid MC as far as I am aware that is completely Open Source and Collaborative with the Community.

I was saying the exact same thing! I rarely find bugs in the game (sometimes in mods but very rarely) but that also could be due to the simple nature of the game 😀

A lot of people need to realize that these updates are free. and even if they are bad and even if mojang doesn't give what they promise at the end of the day its a fun game that is really meant for the developer, modder and casual player. the point is that you can make and play whatever you want. That's the real beauty of the game. a lot of people get echo chambered and bombarded by opinions its easy to forget about the silent majority of players just having fun building a house and surviving their first few nights before moving on to a different world. The community is actually overwhelmingly wholesome and positive. most people who just watch the latest minecaft drama video and comment on youtube videos dont actually play the game.

Why is the car driving backwards?

the way their driving backwards

I agree with you 100% everyone in the community need to grow the fuck up and just appreciate what we have.

Im pretty sure 12 hour crunches are not legal in Sweden

Up!up!up!up!up!

I use arclight (fabric and spigot plugins) BTW

I have only one single friend and that because of playing Minecraft I love this game so much I want this game to be forever alive❤❤❤

I Don't know what to say, but I defenetly agree.

Finally someone has mentioned it I thought I was the only one who remember just how much code was being changed in the game during 1.7 - 1.13. The only thing I wish that was also mentiend is that before 1.13 Minecraft was still using the old block ID system and from what I remember they where running out of block IDs. 1.13 remove block ID and comply used the new String name system the game uses today. I still remember an early tweet from some dev saying that they cant add colored beds during the time of that tweet cuz it would add too many block IDs. Modloaders like forge got around the block id issue with some fancy trick in code that I don't understand. And does anyone remember just how smooth the game ran during 1.10-1.12? instead of focusing on features they can focus more on performance.

civil war edit: womp womp