I noticed that with Baldurs Gate, virtually every NPC is entry is: "This NPC can be found in _insert location_ . There are many NPC that you can interact with in BG3"
I remember their wiki and walkthroughs being very useful and accurate for my first DS3 playthrough (this was a couple years after release), but when Elden Ring first came out their wiki was infuriatingly bad and difficult to avoid in search results.
You haven't seen shit. If you played the new Pathfinder game when it came out all their wikis were barren, the Lich page took a month post launch to get edited and they were nuking comments telling you how to do it. All their pages are just templates that get filled in sooner or later if the admins felt like it that day. Hell it took them a week or more to update that big meta INT sword that got nerfed in the first Elden Ring patch. So people were getting pissed that this god sword sucked ass.
must have been all those comments they stole and threw into their guides. I stopped using it because they would strait steal content from others and reword whatever it was and claim it was their own in the guides.
If a game is fresh they’ll be conflicting information on things so it makes sense I don’t get why people are shitting their pants. They are helpful source of information
@@Themostfluffiest People are definitely exaggerating. If you go to their builds, like for Divinity, it's probably a 15 minute video and it explains how the build works and the mechanics fairly well. What they don't do if go full on data miner and give you Google docs spreadsheets full of motion values, calcs, and formulas for scaling. But generally, you can take a build from them and run it through the highest difficulty in whatever game you're playing with no issue.
i feel like it’s becoming increasingly common for companies and elements of our government to respond to accusations with “oh no. nope. that wasn’t us, we didn’t do that. issue solved, thank you!”
Recently these actions are getting caught, before they were working and issues were really solved that way. Now we like to keep them accountable and they have hard time adjusting. Maybe they will develop something better soon.
THANK YOU for talking about this situation! The Baldur's Gate 3 Wiki that they have is abysmal, while the community BG3 wiki is quite good. It's a damn shame they are hiding the work others put into a competitor.
I feel like I'm getting an aneurism when I check stuff on the fextralife wiki. Like they're literally just copy and pasting shit from the 5e SRD. Meanwhile I later learned about the community bg3 wiki and holy shit it actually doesn't waste your time and just provides you with the info you wanted to look up.
My problem with fextra and fandom and sometimes a few other sites that used to be bigger is when they stagnate with a bad wiki. Its okay if its bad and unfinished at launch but keep working on it until its accurate and complete. There's a bloodborne wiki made for free by fans and its BEAUTIFUL and incredibly well filled out with detailed accurate information. I always found with dark souls fextra is one of the only options and kinda sucks even years after the games releases. Elden Ring seems better so why not go back to the older games?
Fextralife: "Our sponsors are aware of the embed, and it's a great deal for them to be able to promote their content on both twitch and to our site users at the same time, particularly in the prime location that the embed has on our website" also fextralife: "No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue"
what about click through rate? Plenty of people probably join the twitch stream through that embedded link. A big number of them probably dont even have twitch accounts so that could explain the lack of chatters.
@@TheIrishMugFug That doesn’t explain the lack of chatters because you can see the usernames of the people who DO have accounts and are logged in on their browser yet the chat is still dead because none of them are actually in the stream. The upside to twitch fighting ad-blockers is that anyone with an adblocker automatically has the embedded stream stopped when they visit the website. That made me happy to see when I was looking up some Monster Hunter info and misclicked the fextralife site.
Thank you for coverin this. I am an Editor on the BG3 community wiki and it was so hard watching how Fextralive is always the first search result on google with their half-assed content and stream promotions while the community wiki struggles to show up at all after all the SEO work we put into it.
The thing is, at some point fextralife had some good advice, good guides and the misguidance of their page was more often than not a misconception of the game community as a whole, but a little after dark souls 3 release, their guides started to take a turn for the worst to the point where they are now, and it became even worse when they were acquired/did an acquisition
Yeah, it sucks. The Dark Souls 2 wiki was a valuable resource for me going through the game but somewhere around 2016 or so the quality of their wikis just nosedived.
I used their guides and builds for Divinity Original Sin 2 so often but they really did get worse. Have you seen their Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous section? Absolute incomplete garbage with grammar errors galore. Feels like each section has their own people and the DOS2 one is the best arguably.
@@Misanthropolis yeah I remember that too. I used the wiki for a bunch of stuff in Dks2 and even for Dks3. Their Elden Ring page was horrible on launch though... I mean really shitty. A whole bunch of info was just fake, I remember them later on changing like half of some pages and still posting incorrect info. Usually it was quests and where to find items, it was frustrating. I don't get why they couldn't just, you know test the info, see that it's incorrect and just leave a note on the page explaining that the guide is simply incomplete. I wasted a lot of time on their site while playing Elden Ring following that incorrect info. With Armored Core 6 (which I'm a complete newcomer to the series unlike Elden Ring which is a soulslike.) I'm not making the same mistake, if I need info I look it up on YT and then on Google and I avoid fextralife because I definitely don't need to waste 1h finding out that I didn't need to do X to get Y but something else.
I felt the same about Polygon when it came to Tears of the Kingdom. Their guide was so bare bones even months after the game’s release. I ended up completing the game 100% and wrote down a bunch of completion tips for people at work who were struggling with the game.
God yes. what's worse is their "Guides" come with a 4 paragraph preamble. When pomemon SV released I wanted to look up how the Terrastal boosts worked. Clicked the Polygon Guide and got an explanation of pokemons history with this kind of gimmick between Megas and Dynamaxing, only for the article to say "It makes your STAB hit harder, click on our other pokemon guides for more info."
Fextralife's wikis for more niche games are complete garbage and usually stay that way long after release. I've played the pathfinder crpgs quite a lot and the wiki for the second still has listings for items that aren't even in it, they just carried over the entries from the first one.
When I got into Monster Hunter World, their wiki (at the time at least, which was after the game had already been out for a while) actually felt pretty solid and was genuinely helpful. Now that I'm playing BG3 closer to its release and want to look up some mechanics, I'm seeing that they are NOT consistent at all and decided to start avoiding them as best I can. Especially glad I did with all this info.
Some games are very solid while some are absolute shit, seems like the inconsistencies are on a game to game basis. They had almost all the items from remnant 2 on the wiki within DAYS of release, and i thought they surely would put more effort and manpower to bg3 pages since its much more hyped and almost guarenteed hit. But noooo, its been 3 weeks and the pages are like some high school wiki project. Pretty sure the quality of fextralife wikis are just based off how much they can datamine on day one and move on to other games right away.
Same here, their wiki is actually pretty good for older releases. Using it for Monster Hunter helped me a ton. However on release of Elden Ring and around a month or so of it being a new game Fextralife was full of completely BS information. I wasted hours on their guides only to find out that they listed the wrong NPC, or wrong location etc. I don't understand why they can't just test the info and if it's incorrect simply say the guide is incomplete which would be totally understandable for a game like Elden Ring on/near release. Eventually I just looked things up on YT. Today the ER wiki is pretty decent but I still try to avoid it and mostly use it as a supplementary source.
sorry ton say but like usual charlie is misinformed and then misinforms a million+ people, that's a fucking WIKI... aka EDITTED AND WRITTEN BY FUCKING RANDOS..... you can literally see the history of edits on every page and who did them... i'm about as rando and a nobody as much as you can get and yet you'll find my name in the edit history of a lot of pages from like a year ago or shortly after the game came out because i personally added a bunch of info and fixed a bunch of incorrect info/horrible english on A LOT of pages, if you goto the elden ring page and look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... so if you find shit that's incorrect or not there and you DO know the info... fill it in and be a bro lol
I never used actual Walk-through guides from them, but I always liked them for Souls games to look at weapon stats and requirements. Same with Elden Ring for item location.
It's crazy that an embedded stream still gives the stream a viewer. Always thought you needed to have the stream's tab open and also thought I heard that the stream needs to not be muted to count as a viewer. I don't use twitch very often, but I'm surprised I hadn't heard about this free viewers strat earlier, I feel like it would be used by more companies and streamers than a shitty guides website.
It's absolutely a thing, if you're curious I highly recommend Devin Nash's vid on what he calls "Legal Viewbotting", and it's a phenomenon I've experienced first hand. Twitch is totally ok with it, and I can tell you that streamers are ok with it too since it just pushes you up in the category for no real cost.
The first time I became aware of fextralife's practices was a few years ago, when I was researching some weapon upgrades for Code Vein. I arrived at the fextralife wiki, and it was embarassingly barren (the game was out for like a year or two at that point). It was empty to the point where I questioned why they even bothered in the first place. And then I noticed the embedded chat, and it immediately made sense...
Peeve really queued me into how shady Fextra is. He's been singing it from the mountaintops for years and he's absolutely right. How Twitch just stands by is beyond me.
The fact Twitch doesn't even have basic protocols that detect multiple tabs from the same IP viewing the same stream and doesn't register that as 1 viewer instead of 2 is utterly ridiculous. I've seen small streamers who only get 40 views on a good day ask their viewers to open multiple tabs each to boost their count over 100 so it can push it up in the category then have other people latch on to inflate the viewers further. On YT that's against TOS.
Maybe you stopped listening but i believe it was stated as merely a theory that multiple tabs of the same ip leads to multiple views. Where was this some proven truth besides in your mind? I truly would love to see some kind of tangible evidence this is true. That being said fextralife is a trash website with garbage info and should remain in the dark corner they came from.
RU-vid counts each refresh as a view so if you open a bunch of tabs with a stream then refresh a bunch itll count each tab refreshed as a view.. Not recommending it but that is how it works..
man. I actually used their guides for code vein builds and I typically avoid internet drama so I had no idea this was going on, kinda sucks just now finding out they’re problematic
Well its not that they are problematic to their audience. The info is a bit shit, thats annoying. Its not problematic behavior though,just frustrating. They are problematic when it comes to advertisers, because they are falsifying their numbers in order to get inflated ad deals. But that doesnt matter to you or me.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 exactly, they really arnt doing anything wrong, and if I had my own twitch and guide website I would be doing the same thing, and even on the side of advertising, people are only assuming that the numbers arnt real. At the end of the day everyone is just guessing and throwing around numbers so?
@@mattimeikalainen6963 yeah, I just kinda meant on the more general side of things. I used “problematic” for lack of a better word at the time just cause I didn’t put any thought into writing a youtube comment
@@growingoaks imo manipulating your twitch viewes and or your site statistics to be on top and they recently tried to copyright claim someone using a screenshot of game that happened to have fextralife somewhere on the screen can be considered problematic behavior
I think the issue just needs to be presented to share holders. As “active viewers” is something discussed in their financial guidance which will mislead them to thinking the company is more active than it is. Similar to why Elon tried to back out of the purchase of twitter.
Fextra just says, “But, what is this word? ‘Crime?’ I think that’s what you called it? How do you pronounce the word, ‘crime,’ for future reference? What is this, ‘Reddit Bot,’ of which you speak?” 🫣🤣
I had no idea fextralife was so hated although I've only ever used it for dark souls and elden ring. Looking up where to find certain weapons and what they scale off of. I don't like guides so I never checked that section. They were a good wiki for picking the things you want for your own builds.
@@slam6802 I’ve used their guides for DS 1-3, Elden Ring, and currently Remnant 2 with no problem other than a few vaguely worded sections here and there. The rest of this stuff is new to me, and while kinda suspect, I couldn’t really care less in all honesty.
@@dthomas7931 Honestly with how infamously shit and wrong the Des and DkS wikis are it's a miracle that some people are able to get even a modicum of use out of it. Vague guides are good enough when you don't need wholly accurate info like real numbers, I guess.
Their BG3 wiki is full of datamined/removed content, if you check many weapons/armor a lot of it is "where can I find this?" with no answers because surprise, it's not in the game anymore/you have to use an item spawner for it. @@slam6802
Tbh I didn't even know the web page counted as a view since I always thought being muted didn't count you as a viewer. I thought I needed at least 1% volume to count as one so I always saw muted boring streams on the pages for souls games and just shrugged
I literally just saw a post on the Armored Core subreddit a week ago or so that was talking about getting the mods to blacklist Fextralife due to the bullshit that they've done on the Baldur's Gate 3 subreddit which resulted in the mods there blacklisting Fextralife. Their bullshit wiki has completely overshadowed the much superior Dark Souls wiki that is much harder to find now.
@@Nicolas_Cage_BeesThe issue is as well the Dark souls wiki doesnt have an appeal to players like me where the Dark Souls wiki appears more unorganized compared to fextralifes its shitty and shady and the Embedding/Viewbotting situation isnt their worst case. Fextralife is known in the ER community and Diablo community for stealing builds from other sources. As my comment pointed out their Sanguine Samurai Build is also on an Article from The Gamer. FextraLife utilizes a more Visually Appealing website, Buzzwords, Embedding, and Paying for slots above the offical Dark souls wiki
I didnt know they where that bad, first time i heard about them was when elden ring came out, used a few of their builds and they worked and never really thought any deeper than that. Their site looked crap so only watched their youtube videos. Well the more you know i guess 🤷♀😅 t
I think it was this week during the Wayfinder launch or a BG3 stream that I saw them JUST go live. They had 63k viewers on a 7 minute old stream. Absolutely no chat activity whatsoever. This is insane.
I will admit that I have found Fextralife’s Divinity 2 Original Sin build guides to be helpful. They’re apparently not terribly meta, but they gave me some guidance and inspiration. I hadn’t realized how scummy their Twitch practices were, though.
I found this super weird at first because I started playing all the souls games after elden ring, like a rabbit hole of a series i was far too late to, and the guides were all fextralife and all "ok". like enough time had passed that i never noticed any "first" stuff, it had all been fixed. So i had a really positive outlook on it
incredible... someone who knows what an actual wiki is and isn't dumb as fucking stump, HURRAY YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON IN LIKE 6 PAGES OF SCROLLING TO KNOW HOW A WIKI WORKS!!!
Same. When I clicked into this video I was really confused because I've always regarded Fextralife as the go-to site for builds, guides, etc. after having used it as a bible for all From Software games and even a few others as well. And I've always played these games after some time has passed since their release, so the content had always been solid. Only now am I finding out that they've been a black sheep in the community lol.
Thank you for this... really nice to see someone talk about this. As someone who came to the same conclusion after looking into their site for 2 releasees of games and only finding straight up false and poorly written guides I am just mad as a gamer that others do this to communities.
Man, this comment made me think about that Avatar way of the water bit where the guy makes a weird face and it has dad jokes like "Cargo space? No, car go road..."
Started trying to avoid using their site years ago because i didnt like the layout and navigation, plus i found some flat out wrong things so i figured it unreliable. I never noticed their stream embed though. This is wild.
that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
The only way it can change is if advertisers grow a brain and realize that they are being defrauded by this. It is like a bank saying they have x amount of money but really having significantly less. If advertisers realize that each view from this view botter is worth way less, they would give less money to twitch. But this will mostly likely hurt the whole platform because advertisers wouldnt know which view is real or fake and twitch aren’t exactly the most competent company.
This can happen for lots of things and i realize this over the years, people and companies have been more inclined in saying this youtube channel has over a BILLION VIEWS , but whst that means i dont reslly what it means there people who just see a video for background noise, maybe the majority of people dont really pay attention towards the products that youtube channels are sponsored by, rhe demographic of the people watching, what numbers mean i think people really dont know how to read them, so things like this, bots have been going on for ever, youtubers have done it ,streamers, bussiness,its amazing how no many measures towards this have been done with the advancements of technology and peogramming in these years
For me the most annoying thing when I learned about this was seeing them in my "continue watching" or whatever section when I opened up Twitch one day after a long night of Elden Ring. Not only does it count as a view, it forces them into my recommended streams when I never had any intention of watching them.
I remember the first time I saw a Fextralife Twitch stream with 30k+ viewers but a completely dead chat I was so confused. I was thinking woah, everyone watching this must be concentrating really hard on watching this boss fight and very few people are typing lol. After seeing a couple more streams of theirs like that I realised there were some shenanigans going on with their numbers
Actually had no idea this site was either always hated or went downhill. I would absolutely purposefully go to Fextra back when Dark Souls 2 was still getting DLC. Always thought it was specifically a Dark Souls wiki site and it seemed decent.
I'll keep going to fextra because the wiki is good and the RU-vid channel is great for RPGs content. I appreciate how fast they put the information on the wiki, even if it's missing some information, because sometimes I need just fast information and I can't find it anywhere.
Dark souls was good because there were official strategy guides for them to copy and a huge community to edit for them. Every other wiki they've done has been largely disliked compared to the fandom ones or even wikidot.
They started as a wiki for Souls games and then branched out to tons of other RPGs. But they put absolutely minimal effort in all those other games and never bother to change the information if it turns out to be false or the game gets updated.
Bro I thought I was alone... I was thinking "For once me and Charlie disagree." I've used the site multiple times and I have ran into information cutting out halfway but they do seem to be there first and with pretty decent content.
@CaStReEzY- My Goodness! The amount of bots in the reply section is remarkable! Flabbergasted I must say. But shall we not worry. Tea is on the way, shall we have some biscuits in the mean time?
Denuvo is a company that REALLY needs to be talked about by Charlie. They are getting out of hand FAST. For the sake of the gaming community, as many people as possible need to know that it is certainly the worst thing to happen to gaming since it's invention.
Denuvo has kind of been a known problem for many years, majority of people finding it affects performance an insane amount, I think its more that people are just tired and don't bother with it as a fight, either the companies will keep or won't, sometimes people make files to remove Denuvo or deactivate it for some games, but really i don't think there is much in the long run that will happen to it sadly. I am up for people trying to fight against it, but it kind of seems like a pointless effort in most cases
@@A5tr0101 I can only presume you are trolling, but just to be safe i implore you to do your own research as to just how much damage Denuvo has and will cause. It is not the pirates that are the only ones getting "hurt" by them, but paying customers as well, probably even more so. Charlie has, as far as i recall, briefly mentioned that exact fact in one of his videos, exactly which one i do not recall. If you ever wish to play a game offline again, i suggest you stop telling yourself that this does not concern you. As far as whether preventing piracy is "good" or not, i can easily dismantle the argument that it is. If you wish me to, just say the word.
For the longest time, I thought Fextralife was a community led wiki, where anyone could come in and edit the wiki to add or adjust information like Wikipedia, but I have been enlightened.
Lmao asmongold is doing so much worse imo😂😂 these guys are advertising their own stream on their own website and someone that’s wrong, but asmongold has spent thousands in games like Diablo immortal just to “prove a point”.. yeah I think one’s doing a lot more harm then good here.
@@Monkeyman-qt1sm you're comparing two different problems my man. You're comparing a viewbotting company, to a streamer with money and a community who decided to spend money on a cash grab game. A company using autoplaying streams embedded on their website to inflate viewer numbers is objectively worse than a rich streamer spending a ton of money on a trash game for entertainment and educational(showing us the game is bad) purposes.
This seems like a simple solution: Just make it so embedded streams don't count as an actual "Viewer". Force them to actually go to the Twitch domain. That should be what Twitch wants anyway. They don't gain much as much from someone viewing an embedded stream on a different site as they would from pushing people to their own domain.
Like Charlie said. why would Twitch ever do that? When Twitch did a deal with some sponsorship / advertising, they charged based on "how many views". Twitch give 0 shits how the fuck the number came up from the first place. As long as they can satisfy the ads, they are getting paid. Dont hate the player, hate the game.
@@alyoshamikhaylov7651 If I recall correctly, he was referring to the streamer, Fextralife, being able to advertise to sponsors that they have "X thousand viewers" because of all the embedded streams counting as "viewers", not Twitch itself being able to monetize that. Twitch itself gains nothing from embedded streams. See the screenshot of Fextralife's response at 17:28: "Embedding is an advertisement of the stream to real people on real browsers on an external website. Like any integration, the objective is to get people to click and go to twitch. No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue." Twitch needs to convert those embedded streams to actual page visits to gain any ad revenue from all those "Viewers", so, as I said they would benefit from pushing people to their own domain as much as possible.
@DaJodadIm Im not quite familiar with what you have posted my dear friend. This old timer is quite uninformed about the matter. Please fill me in perhaps? Oh my days.
Not sure I agree with all this Fextralife hate. At the end of the day, its a wiki and has volunteer contributors, like most wiki's. It takes time to separate the fact from fiction in a new game's community and I've enjoyed the fact that Fextralife has provided a space to do that. I've generally found it pretty helpful, even if it's not accurate 100% of the time. It gets better the longer and more popular the given game is, as it should. As for the twitch views, I'm actually glad they are gaming the system. If twitch leaves loopholes like this open, I'm glad someone is taking advantage of it, to show how fing stupid stream culture is in the first place.
Whenever I look for guides or tutorials I never look at guides made by businesses. Whether it was IGN, Machinima or any other channel that you could tell was run by a corporation. Guides created by players that have been through the game itself and understand it are much much better and even though its a single view I'd rather help contribute that single view to genuine people rather than money hungry corporations.
Man this was a culture shock for me. I used to read their stuff all the time; was always a fan of data tables and number crunching. I did not know of their shady reputation, and I'm disappointed that my searches were being skewed this whole time. Their wiki is very comfortable to navigate; it's a huge shame that the content I relied on wasn't accurate letalone ethical.... big L for me today :(
It depends on the wiki. Some of Fextralife's wikis are pretty accurate, but usually newer ones for hype games aren't. They just grab whatever information they can, no matter how accurate, and present it as factual. Then when the game is no longer new or hype, they just stop updating the wiki and the misinformation never gets corrected. This wouldn't be a problem, but their wikis are often at the top of any search, so it's the first thing people see looking up a guide for a 2+ year old game. Older wikis for games that remain popular for a decade, like Dark Souls 3, tend to be pretty good. You are still counting as a viewbot for their Genshin or Armored Core or Warframe streams, etc, regardless if you care about their sponsorships or streams.
it is accurate, charlie is a fucking clown... that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
@@Vapeurss what the fuck is wrong with you??? are you that dense you don't know what a wiki is??? how is wikipedia written? just by 1 central guy?? NO BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING WIKI JESUS CHRIST... it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol
I got banned from their twitch chat for calling out their shady viewer farming practices. Their mods basically said "You are a toxic redditor" and permabanned me after that. Badge of honor.
I have a small fear that if this is not taken by the buds soon, it will cause another ad apocalypse where companies pull their ads because streamers in a vast majority viewbots.
I’d like to assume the companies sponsoring the livestream are competent enough to know how this company’s streams and website work, and pay accordingly.
It's more shitty that ads are what makes our lives run. Advertising is so less prevalent in other countries, and it'd be better for us to do something about this hellish ad culture rather than care about numbers going up.
@@handgun559 Could not agree more!! Advertising is such a plague on humanity. I'd love to see a widespread adoption of banning outdoor ads (billboards, bus stops, side of buildings, buses etc) that is prevelant in many European cities.
@@smithynoir9980 I've heard it's genuinely depressing sometimes to leave the US, see far fewer ads, them having to come back. And in some places where they have no outdoor advertisement, it's really painful coming back.
I didn't know Fextralife was hated. Their Elden Ring interactive map has been really handy and the Elden Ring wiki in general is laid out pretty well. I'll still continue to use it though. 👍
There is a downside for Twitch though. Advertisers will say 30000 viewer streams only paid x dollars, when it's really a view botted stream and it will eventually cause them to stop using Twitch and use ad dollars elsewhere
Mega capitalists in the comments today. I get you don’t like the concept but twitch would be the first to cry if it was coming back to hurt the platform. Just say “I think this sucks” instead of gulping down the companies
@@ebpthiccpapayas8724 People are too stupid to realize that everything they hate in this world is caused by capitalism though, they'll happily spend hours listing things that are awful about it and then turn around and say it's the best thing ever.
Advertisements work based on region and # of views from people in that region. 30k viewers spread across the globe is a drop in the bucket. Twitch has 26.5 million daily visitors. On average Twitch sees 15 million daily active users. The issue is more for personal sponsorships rather than for Twitch. More viewers being shown is better for Twitch as a whole, which is why they purposely enable embedded streams.
@@jebalitabb8228 agreed. if you take him out of context he sounds very wrong but once you watch the whole thing you realise he makes some very good content with common sense
This is what shadman/shadbase used to do, they used to have an embeded stream on their website which a lot of people used to browse and I believe it was in every page, that's the reason why they are still currently the 4th channel with most views in total, even when they haven't streamed since 2019.
I kinda get why they embed they streams tho. If you have a website that’s visited a lot, why wouldn’t you embed your stream? That’s literally why that was made for. And about the reliability of their wiki, no wiki is reliable the first month after the game comes out. Give it time, maybe a couple of months. They keep updating their wiki as soon as they find out more about the game
Did you purposefully choose not to pay attention to the main points of the video? Also the majority of all of their wikis, guides and builds are just not good enough.
@@dangela3039 I don’t agree that it plays without your knowledge. The reason people embed things to websites is that you can see it and it can convince you to click it, just like an ad, isn’t?
I’ll be completely honest, the bot stuff is pretty slimey but their Wikis have been extremely useful in my many runs of DS and Elden ring and I see absolute no issue with advertising their Twitch Account. Their info is usually pretty good, the builds in Elden ring were pretty okay. It seems Twitch needs to look at how their embedded links work seeing as nearly anyone could do this.
The only solution would be creating a separate category on twitch for such entities. Maybe pop them a notice saying "oh, it looks like your activity to viewer ratio is off balance, you've been removed from trending gor the time being". Obviously every stream can have it's downtimes so it would have to be persistent, say 2h straight of subpar activity or something and a more complex algorithm
Their Elden Ring wikis/walkthroughs are pretty good. I can see how embed can be annoying but they tend to pump out basic builds and wikis that help get you started in a lot of games.
@@shogunpug4071 Notice how I wrote "help you get started". Sorry if their guides are not up to your gamer god standards but they do help the rest of us peasants.
@@cleebe6905 the bare minimum, man. I dunno. I'm just not the type to even search guides unless the game is as complicated as WoW so of course im biased. Other than that just figure it out for yourself, that's the fun part
In Divinity - Original Sin 2, Fextralife's guides were so horrible that people took them as challenge runs to make the game as hard as humanly possible, rather than actual guides, and it was a whole genre of 'fextralife guide challenge runs'. It was THAT bad. Just some funny trivia about the company.
@@freedmfe8934 and ? their wiki is fine. 100% accurate ? no, of course not but it's fine. How they increase the number of Twitch views on the other hand, is not. I absolutely love retarded ( politely put, low IQ impressionable users) subscribers or even...dare we call them, FANS of streamers where they just gobble up every piece (or almost) of slime is being thrown to them. @Charlie, seeing this makes me remember why I unsubscribed, the level of arrogance is through the roof with middle-range stupidity coupled with hypocrisy.
The first time I heard about fextralife was during elden ring’s launch and their guides and wiki helped me a lot through my first Dark Souls-like game. I had no idea they committed all these controversies
They always the first one who make "min max build", early game build, any build guide for new games. For example, currently they do Baldur Gate and Armored Core. They do the cringe AI generated image of "Necromancer" and slap "Necro guide baldur gate"
To be honest though, none of this is controversial, Embeds are a legitimate source of viewership just as legitimate as using the main Twitch page, Chat is merely an addon feature to keep viewers engaged and it doesn't need to be used, sounds like Charlies sipping on copium, if Charlie thinks that all of his viewers are sat at the desk chomping at the bit to watch his every move and hear his every word, he's wrong, a good majority wont even remember they have him open on a tab, it's literally the same thing. Most of chat is made up of children spamming "Notice me senpai" which doesn't add anything to the stream itself.
@@dangerousfables Hundred percent agree with you, it's just drama, I understand why Charlie does drama because it brings in the viewers but I much more prefer his gaming videos.
I really found their wikis quite helpful, especially for the early dark souls titles. Haven't been on their site for a long time now, so i can't comment about current state. As for the embedded streams: i have put these little boxes directly to my adblocker, i ain't seeing them. Why would i waste network traffic for something so useless.
The only one getting hurt from this are the companies paying ads for their huge audience that isn't watching. I say good for them. Its a smart way to make some money. They arent hurting anyone so good for them.
No, they are affecting others. For twitch viewers it has to be ASS to get into any category and having to figure out which streams are run by actual charistmatic fun people and which ones are just viewbotting/embedding. Just look at any clips of this drama. Not to diss the guy but you have to admit there aren't a lot of people willing to watch it. Also streamers, especially the ones without a big audience. It makes it harder to find them since no one bothers scrolling that much. Adding botters is just more padding on the top obstructing those possible new viewers. ALSO ALSO actual "big" streamers. Just use a bit of your brain. Put yourself in the shoes of a big company who only cares for money. Companies that give offers to streamers with good numbers. You know they have people crunching numbers to know how much of those ads are turning into money, right? And having botters considered into those numbers it's just less money for people who actually put effort into making content. Yes, they are affecting companies but you fail to see the forest for the trees.
@@hazamax2139 Nah, I see the forest. I just couldn't care less about a company overpaying on an ad buy. If they don't figure it out, that's on them. Also, I couldn't care less about small streamers. If they can't come up with some original content to pull people in without relying on the miniscule amount of people that find content by scrolling to the bottom of the page on Twitch, maybe streaming isn't for you.
I played Elden Ring a bit late to the party, and found the fextralife guide to be pretty precise and straightforward. That being said, I feel that ER is a game that is best enjoyed raw.
i remember putting ungodly amounts of time into elden ring when it came out and looking for guides and information on their wiki and was dumbfounded when i ran into so much false information and missing information on their wikis. Yes they had something about everything but it isnt helpful when its just plain wrong. Also the builds they post are oftentimes very much the same build with a slight change
Just like Charlie said... just like the backrooms you run into their channel, and when I randomly found their channel on twitch I was shocked to see this channel with so many viewers for a channel I never heard of.
I've done extensive research on how twitch viewership works and it breaks down as such: you have a singe viewer agent. If you have 5 different streams open, you'll count as a single viewer for only one of them at a time. So, over an hour, you'll have been counted as watching each of those 5 streams 20% (ish) of the time. If you have 5 tabs open of one stream, each tab will only be counted ~20% of the time, but 5*.20=1.0. So yes, you'll count as a viewer in each tab, just not to any significant difference if they're all one stream.
