I never fell into right wing content, but people like FD defintely showed me the work I could do on myself. Im pleased you watched this on stream in case anyone wasnt tuned in to him already
FD is definitely one of my favorite new RU-vid personalities. I’m glad he is a black man talking about shit that matters as well as, not weird or creepy that some folks tend to be on this platform.
Him saying conservatives can't fuck because they don't like WAP by cardi b is shit that matters? I know I may seem hyperfocused on that but a nigga biting apart a peach and smiling like he proved something is mad weird.
@@diodelvino3048im ngl the niggas who be criticizing him always get a weird look from me bc im like you want bro to use statistics for what? most of the things he says don’t need analytical proof, a lot of it takes getting outside and experiencing💀
Their mentality will always be stuck then, theyre gonna go thru life crying and being pissed off at everything they dont agree with and crying about things not being how THEY want@@palooski227 🤷♂
Acting like BW don’t say niggas ain’t shit everyday is definitely crazy 😂 I’m a Que, and an engineer, and trust me PLENTY of black women hate black men. THEY LITERALLY MAKE IT CLEAR everyday. You’re not addressing self hate, white supremacy when you act like your strawman incel black man doesn’t “interact” w women 🙄. You don’t have to “get b*****” to know hella BW hate BM. Y’all some pure 🤡s for that
I’m 35 single still, but in my 20’s my dad told me to never get married. In retrospect, how the relationship between him & my mother played out, I see how he arrived at that position. Often times while he’s gives me advice, I can see he’s not acknowledging the consequences of his own actions.
Big respect to Shawn for showing FD and adding his own *good* takes, humor, and perspective to it! We need more great examples like this if Black men are ever going to collectively heal and progress towards any kinda real liberation, not retreating backwards into the double-bind of the colonizer's patriarchy (red pill shit, in less egghead terms 😂)
The manosphere dudes need the divestment women to look like they're in the right for a change. Fiq nailed it. Hell no, they're both crazy. I reject all of it.
Bro all these damn names and titles Blue Pill, red pill, pink pill, manosphere, divestor, high value man, low value man, beta male, alpha male, incel like fuck I can’t keep up atp
These comments are crazy. Critiquing patriarchy as a black woman does not mean you hate black men! Accusing black women who do that of hating black men doesn’t change the prevalent statistics in our community and that 1 in 4 black girls are sexually abused before the age of 18! Some of you guys are so chronically online you forget that in REAL LIFE, black women and queer people don’t have power within our communities.
I feel like when speaking out against oppression from another group of people, ur bound to get people who don’t understand that ur not attacking that group of people as a whole, ur bringing to light an issue that is widespread and possibly can harm you. I think it’s important that black men understand it’s not an attack on us but also let anyone in our circle know that too. We gotta stop gettin on the defensive and extend a hand out and help
@@dorfinn2196 This. But as someone who has to read legal descriptions, diction is everything. If you say "all" people of that particular group are going to assume you mean "all" not "some".
@emptyshogun6194You saying the patriarchy doesn't exist in the West is like saying racism doesn't exist in the West. The patriarchy like racism is a social construct that impacts EVERYONE. I would recommend reading The Will To Change by bell hooks. It's a great starting point.
I grew up with almost exclusively female role models which is something I in some part attribute to what made me develop gender dysphoria, and hearing that Shawn had a very similar experience and seeing him take such a completely different path is incredibly interesting and really makes me rethink how much my environment actually played a role in my transition
yeah i also faced a bit of that where i’ve never felt like a boy or a girl when i was younger but now dating a non binary person lets me see into that world that most black men don’t
If anything, all female environments would aggrevate the gender dysmorphia. In an all male environment, you have the space to contrast yourself against a person and feel more feminine. In an all female environment, you're automatically the manliest person
shawn, you’d be concerned to learn how many people genuinely believe eren yeager was right and what he did was right, it’s genuinely scary. everyone always says “it’s just a fictional show” when anyone criticizes it, but those beliefs clearly come from their real beliefs
It’s one of the most popular pieces of media today. The overwhelming amount of people that support a fascist genocidal character does indicate a pretty large issue
I genuinely feel like a lot of big social media accounts and industy people are forced to post most of this shit, to black people who are gullible and lack a mentor or trying to find a community to latch to.
pretty much hit it square on the head, the misogynoir in this community has always been a problem but ever since the manosphere really started kicking up dust and targeted black men suddenly the history of how black men and women have lived and interacted with each other has been rewritten to just be nothing but stereotypes and antiblackness; more focused on race and gender, but never on how the unnecessary enforcing of a patriarchal standard from a society that devalues us in general IS the disconnect. Not gonna say this never happened beforehand, just look the whole situation with the Color Purple but it just feels like this built up portfolio of genuine issues with black men at certain moments literally trying to adopt white-centric patriarchal ideals into the community is evolving into a whole new conspiracy of the "Evil Black Woman".
Nah, accountability will allow you to see the consistent black misandry that runs through our community. The black manosphere proper does not spend time hating the black women. It does spend time warning brothers to be cautious and careful. Women are not virtuous creatures of integrity and strong moral values that the they are projecting to be. Men need to be aware of this fact to protect themselves and their assets. Furthermore black men have never benefited from nor participated in patriarchy. If anything the black community is a matriarchal society, were women cast men to the side as the attempt to control the leadership position. That’s why it’s called Big Mama’s house even if Grandpa paid all the bills.
No we don’t he just kind disregards everything other have especially against black men he is no different then Candace owens and other black women black women don’t like black men move according all his videos are cap
i’m a black woman and i treat all people with respect no matter what. i’m not hunting for a guy with money, but if i’m going to start a family, i would want a man that won’t have me stressing about bills and money. i hate that there are so many arrogant, loud-mouthed women out there that say they hate men. it’s shitty. but there are plenty of pretty, normal girls out here that mind their business and want a hard working man that respects them. either i’m extremely rare or men keep looking in the wrong places for validation.
its just that those type of women live on the internet more than the real world, and that the minority’s voices are louder on here. we know most women aren’t like that lol.
As a trans woman being privy to so many men’s spaces definitely pushed me towards hating men. The double standards and blatant fetishization made me sick to my stomach, and I assume from having those attitudes enacted upon them, I can see many women adopting that attitude. I’m not saying it’s justified, but hearing men fetishizing female pedophilia goes a long way towards creating a really jaded outlook towards men. That all being said, I really hope women can work towards being more amicable towards men and society can work to diminish all the harmful attitudes male spaces can cultivate
you’re not extremely rare. a lot of people are legitimately like this. But if you look at debates on the internet that are polarising and sendationalist you’re going to get that impression. People need to stop indulging in unserious debates and jokes that are corny on the internet and realise. A lot of us want the same thing
i’ve been watching FD since 2021.. as a black woman i make a concerted effort not to alienate black men bc i recognize how patriarchy has an effect on them as well. and whenever there are black men in my life going thru it i send them his videos. FD has really opened my mind when i was tempted to shut myself off. he’s such a good source for young black men and i wish everyone had a chance to listen to his content
@@nenyeo6090 No, it isn't. It's a gynocentric and egalitarian country, like Scandinavian countries. In patriarchy, women aren't allowed to vote, go to work, lgbtq isn't allowed, and more. In the usa women are the ones shaping the rights
@@nenyeo6090 Also, the black community was officially declared as matriarchy in the late 1900s by the U.S. gov. So if you're black and not alteast 60 years old, you shouldn't be talking about a patriarchy because you never lived in one.
I do think that’s if it’s women or men who become so obsessed with online culture and videos geared towards hating the opposite gender, it’s extremely unhealthy. These people become so obsessed with these RU-vidrs telling them of their own personal issues, they start to believe every person is bad. Which imo is scary. These people become radicalized. I remember I was in a Lyft as wel and my black driver had a dashcam and was asking me all kinds of manosphere questions such as, how old are you? What qualities do you bring? What do you expect from a man? And it felt like he wanted me to give a “wrong” answer so that he could possibly berate me. He even asked me how much I think a partner should make…I couldn’t believe I met one of these black manosphere ppl in real life. I was giving him any answer that would please him because I was genuinely scared.
I grew up in a ghetto black family situation. Father was a typical gang member who was a blood and momma got pregnant by that man expecting him to stay. That did effect the way I grew up and my experience with women. Life was hell for me and my siblings until my stepdad came into our lives when I was 10-12 and it got better in the house. My relationship with women was a mixed bag. Only the popular bitches bullied me while I attracted the nerdy, quiet woman and they've always treated me good. Now my issue of our women was only through female friends and my 6 sisters. They did stupid stuff and come to me and cry to me just to do it again. Same thing with my momma and grandmother but they have generational trauma they have to fix and I've tried it but it haven't gone anywhere. But I've heard men ain't shit troupe through them and thought that about myself but the women I've dated showed me the opposite. Even the black woman I'm with now going on 4 years is really good to me and my sisters and female friends have the same issues
19:48 i remember in elementary school i had a white teacher accuse me of stealing and i got in so much trouble. She eventually found out it wasnt me and apologized so much and i was confused why she apologized so much. She didn’t want me to tell my mom and i didn’t. Now i wish i did.
Sorry for the long post 😅 i didn’t know I had that in me. I got rejected a lot n not cause im ugly I had friends told me I’m 7-8 and stranger tell I’m cute or handsome ~ I’m just akward and give off a werido vibe - cause I am awkward and goofy , and I’m not a very open person to ppl I don’t know~ so they don’t get to know me ~ I’m kinda shy but not really. But I asked girls out n college it was very painful and embarrassing when they shooo me away; but I got a few dates with girls I liked but it didn’t work out ~ and probably for the best cause it probably wouldnt last long …. BUT THESE red pill dudes and pink pill ppl ~these mf just need to put they sleeve out there n b honest with they self n not force a vibe or fake something they not ~ I got a girl of 2 years and she my type and everything I wanted n someone ~ n we both black.
the bw these bm are talking about are on the net they dont talk like that in real life i only see black women say some crazy bs on the internet i have yet t hear it in real life gotta put the phone down vice versa
I'm super late but I've been sent down this rabbit hole recently and it seems like while the shortform creators tend to be Black Americans, the compilation creators and commenters are mostly African. That's gotta be part of it.
Nah i can see why u have a diverse audience bc your video topics and your overall vibe is pretty diverse, like even with the videos that are more ‘nigga-esque’ topics, i can still get with and understand
"I don't know what happened" I wondered that about myself too. "There was always lots of women around ..." that must 'of been it for me too. I was raised by my grandmother and aunt and had a little cousin and saw the bullshit (misogynoir) they had to put up with. They could also point to lots of men NOT to aspire to be like.
I feel like the problems occur due to generalizations. In both instances, i feel that people quantify their experience as THE experience. One can only go off what they know is and what is not , in this hypothetical situation. What fuels these types of ppl i believe is that when you see a vid of either men or women “breaking each other down” the comments lead you to think there is a multitude of people that agree with said degradation and that casts an unspoken narrative. Not saying they are justified in their perspective, but a person who hasn’t experienced any of this can only go of the conversations or perspective of their peers. Basically.. alot of mfs out here lost as fuck and need someone to tell them how to feel. This is where all these hate based sub-sub groups come from, in my opinion.
The algorithm point is so accurate! I occasionally hear about divestor, manosphere, red pill, gender war content (like from reaction videos like this) but the actual videos almost never come up on my feed. When it does I don’t hate watch, comment, dislike, or give any type of engagement because I’m genuinely not interested so the algorithm doesn’t send it to me. Simple. I have a positive outlook on life and all people when I go out into the world. I don’t take the rare bad encounters personally. “Blackistan” is mad funny though 😂😂😂
20:18 "I just can't imagine how you'd have that perspectie of somebody that you've never actually interacted with..." It's a two-wat street Shawn, the crazy people in both sides of this perspective have the same mindset. This is a common problem people tend to overlook. These guys hate the women they have never met, who in turn hate the men THEY have never met... Who tf is even real in this situation? Are they all bots? Who are these men who think all women of one demographic of their chosing? Who are these women who just bunch up men into categories JUST to be a hater??? This is a lot of time and effort for people to have people they hate run around in their minds like that? It is Insane!!! They all live in socail media influencing each other and the second they interact with some stranger in real life, they will tack on these hateful online rhetorics to real people who don't really care or interact with this weird shit!
I like FD but he seems to lack interest investigating things....the brick lady story was very fake 😢 and the fact the people intentionally ignore how fake that story was, if proof of pandering to me.
Shawn, in regards to your comment at 9:54 where you talk about not knowing anyone on the redpill side who's black, who built up their audience to his level, Mediocre Tutorials and Reviews is a perfect example of one such person. Guy has around 30,000 more subscribers than F.D. on his main channel and talks about man shit.
FD is very needed in the space, he brings in a missing piece for men that the red pill guys don't see. He has a purview that the normal everyday guy experiences, however I would be remissed if I didn't say that the red pill guys have many valid points, one of them is on display here on this video. Many people overlook men's struggle and abuse and will minimise or demonise men's pain, and at the same time they will laud women as better than or make them seem like more victimised. forgetting how men are not afforded the empathy that women get. the lack of empathy for men on display here proves my point. Yet and still I love FD and Shawn still. I just thought to say something, since i'm seeing something.
Simp kinda lost the meaning, any compliment automatically called a simp. They don't mean true internet simp, obsessed and all. But I suspect you know that lol and you just think any energy towards women, dating, etc.. it's horrible.
13:49 I've learned quite a bit from divestors. I've also learned that their talking points aren't limited to their echo chambers. So the idealology is spreading and should be addressed empathetically and honestly. That's the only way the situation will remedy.
exactly some of them are 🦇💩 but the majority have just decided the same thing a lot do BM do, that whatever they feel they’re pouring into this “community” isn’t being reciprocated so they decided they’re good on it. as is their right. the only difference is if/when more BW decide the same, whatever infrastructure is left of this community will actually collapse bc it’s obvious who’s keeping the lights on around here.
....You never heard of black men or women who were jaded/bitter towards the opposite sex before the internet? As someone who has admittedly grew up around mostly women, do you think its possible you've been conditioned to ignore or downplay rhetoric that's hateful to black men?
I just think media makes it seem worse than what it truly is and in turn, if you don’t catch yourself, helps it become a reality. I’m not going to lie this FD signifier video has made me review a couple of my own biases. Have I been harassed by black men and had really weird interactions with them? Yes but it really isn’t a significant number in the grand scope of things. Did I go in a rabbit hole about the manosphere, also yes but like in my usual day to day interactions with men, that conversation doesn’t even come up. But it all shaped my “bitterness” and “villianization” of black men. When I really deep it, I feel like social media and all the “stories” that algorithmically poisoned my feed have made me think men and women are at war but I just honestly need a break from my phone and touch grass because a lot of this, as I’ve recently realized, seems to majorly live online.
I always fuck with FD He’s one of the few black content creators that’s don’t sound insane and sounds like he’s a real human being and not some character
5:05 the closest to Kevin Samuel’s before his rise was most likely Akademiks hodgetwins and dr umar.. ak was bigger than kev at the time and basically doing the kev Samuel’s thing on twitch. Myron and Fit dude used to watch ak and tried to basically be a mod in his chat. Ak just wasn’t as much of a dick as everyone else though…
No what Kevin was trying to do with the black community was nothing like anything any of the other content creators you mentioned. He asked women questions and provided them with solutions and they hated him for it.
Honestly this video made me realize that majority of my life I’ve always heard a black woman say 🥷 ain’t shti or we are dogs so I can see how someone that is red pill might think black women hate them especially if they didn’t have any positive experiences with them
And comments like these are why I sympathize with divestors more than red pillers. Women only say that due to their pattern of bad experinces with men, and black women are killed by and abused by black men way more than the other way around. And for some reason, a lot of black men online have no emoathy for black woman's struggles and refuse to listen to their valid critiqies of toxic masculinity among black men. That same toxicty that produces the harmful behvaiour that hurts black women. I think some black women get tired of black men denying how patriarchy is even worse in the black community and they understably become bitter. That being said, divestors are definitely vile people who take it too far, but so are red pillers. I just think they're position is more valid.
@@RebornLegacyFirst off, those abuse stats are flawed. And patriarchy in the black community. The black community is a matriarchy. It was officially declared a matriarchy in the 1980s by the gov. USA isn't considered a patriarchy, and black women have never lived in a patriarchy. So that's nonsense
@emptyshogun6194You are 3000% correct. As soon as they start mentioning any Internet buzz words or something that sounds like they heard it one time from a political commentator on RU-vid or a Twitter thread and they never actually came up with it themselves, I stop listening. You're just here to regurgitate. That's like me trying to make an argument and I start talking about high value men and redpill. Nobody talks like this off the Internet and if they do somebody needs to take their Internet away immediately
Nah, that ain't it... @ around 21:00... These dudes ain't been just hurt by some 1 girl that they talked to in Highschool... Like c'mon, you're going to try to talk to WAY more women in life after highschool is over... What happens is the continual rejection adds up. So, let's say it did start in HS... then there's College, then there's the rest of your 20s... And the whole time people keep telling you, "be yourself" and "your time is coming"... Instead of telling you what you actually need to do to improve your chances with women. The bad part is that all that rejection breeds resentment. And, that's just that side of it... There's the other side where the guys get married and think they're doing everything right only to get done dirty by a bad wife...
5:05 Honestly, even though I don't think he was seen as that black conservative "hotep" archetype, I think it was Patrice O'Neal who was the spokesman.
Its not that black men hate womne or black women get hurt and hate men. Its that the people that are quit to each other and take the abuse and disrespect is now speaking up and moving up in life and that have cause ripples and confusion in the world and community, Men are no longer taking the disrespectful and the trap degrading of women to not be chain mentaly are are becoming in thier god design and women are not taking the disrespect of the over masculine men who thinks that women suppose to fall inline or be cheated on an oveer looked as not powerfull and hate on women for being free without judgment. This is what going on in the world and it has caused Kaos but gor peace kaos is needed and i know this will fall inine and people who know themselves and power will fall into place too.
I understand you and I like and watch FD, I don’t always agree with him but he seems very prepared and is also thorough when he addresses a topic, but I would like to hear FD take on the modern black American female, it’s like he is dodging it for some reason
Ive seen him saying that he doesnt feel he should talk about that cus hes not a woman . Since hes a black male he has a lot more experience w that and can provide better views on topics related to that than on the experience of Black womanhood .. seems fair to me. he doesnt know what living as a black woman feels like
@@dnicole4236 The same shit that most black female content creators say and do. They watch, research, react. They aren't men but have a lot of opinions and thoughts on men's behavior. Seems odd FD can't do the same.
Tbh I think it’s just tiring to always hear how doomed the black man is. I know I get tired of hearing about it. I prefer Jawn Louis over FD because he’s a bit more broad than FD. But I still really enjoy his content but I have to be in the mood for it.
I feel he provides an interesting viewpoint and perspeective but one thing Id change is how much focus his videos center around the manosphere and problematic men and issues but not more positive examples of black men doing good anmd good rolemodels.Not that these issues arent important but I'd rather he provide more focus on positive black male action within the black communities to provide a path forward.
@@princea.7458 he and his buddies tried to police her blackness and dog pile her just because she said something they didn’t like. It was years ago now but dude gave a bs apology and never brung it up again
I don't watch his channel because I don't learn anything new after a video. I can't speak on his character but his content doesn't seem harmful but it also doesn't seem helpful
10:12 Mediocre tutorials and reviews would be the only person bigger than him I can think of. He’s a black man red pill. But he’s also normal. He held a regular job. He doesn’t sell any pyramid scheme and he’s more pragmatic than the average red piller in general
I'm co fused so he shows a video that says people target black boys even black teachers even though they did nothing and also says the hate that black men are not being hated so u show I video showing what u saying is not a real thing 😅
@@jjmane7831again, WHO TF ARE YOU TALKING TO WHERE ITS LIKE THAT???? I think that is specifically a YOU problem, maybe check yaself before you make a comment on whole groups of people😂
@youngwolf024 In real life....they'll never say it but they show in actions. They may have love for us but no faith in us. It is what it is. U do know these internet people are actual people right?
As a light skin black women I can say a good 60-70% of bm I’ve interacted with in a non platonic way (they hit on me or I approach them) have at one point mentioned or alluded to me being better than dark skin black women. It has really fucked me up and I did get into the divestor community in its early days. The early days where it was just “we still consider black men an option but now we are opening are options up to other races”. Then it turned into extremist bs. But I noticed that a lot of movements have had that happen in the last several years. Movements that had good intentions were taken over by crazy ass ppl. But yeah I can see where divestirs come from but all that new shit they talkn bout is real fukd up. They have a lot of evidence backed by science. Shit I looked up myself and found and then used my own experience and came to the conclusion that a lot of bm have self hatred and isssues wit bm. But I am a black women so I have bias. And that bias realization and that new racist hatred for bm is what helped me get out of divestorship. I still keep my options open but that’s cuz I wanna be happy and bigger chances if I keep it open. If you don’t know what it is don’t look it up. Manosphere and divestors are just a bunch of hurt bitter ppl hurtin each other. Most ppl fall right in the middle on most issues tbh.
Plot twist: ask light skinned black men about how often people emasculate and make fun of them for being light-skinned. There was a whole trend on Tiktok doing just that. They didn't let that turn them bitter.
@@sethbrolsma516 really so you know every light skin man in existence and you know they are not bitter…and I wasn’t bitter lmao I was disappointed in bm and looked elsewhere then stopped fukn wit divestors cuz they cray af but I’m still options open
@@hubrisbrutus6805 I'm saying light skinned men don't become bitter at black women who make light-skinned jokes or prefer dark skinned men bc of the perception that light skinned men are weak, soft, and/or sensitive.
So I'm a few days from 36. I understand the need to practice discernment and not jump to conclusions but it feels dismissive in tone when I listen to F.D. Signifier and I find myself feeling this frequently when listening to him. My BM trapped me and then, after us bonding for 6 years sent her to live with another relative and completely cut me and my family off. That's some hateful shit to do. That's not the only time or woman who has done some shady, EMOTIONALLY VIOLENT shit. We gotta stop the cap. I'll never be a divester. I've dated exactly one non-black woman. I love my sisters, my daughter, my grannies 🕊 and my aunties. I'm not anti interracial dating, I've just dated Black women cause... why not? They're beautiful, I'm around them... let's do it. I'll never say Black Women are a monolith but in my actual lived experience, there is a not-inconsequential segment of women in the Black Community that are openly disrespectful and antagonistic towards Black Men. When we talk about our TRAUMA, it's dismissed. It's fucked up when a person is opening up to go "But what about MY PAIN?!" That's a shitty thing to do but fine.... and then tell us we don't open up? You don't get to have it both ways. I mean honestly, anyone who is actually an intellectual.... LISTEN. All these so-called intellectuals literally just throw around: 1. Unverified defamatory theories about people who they don't like fir various reasons, usually a philosophical disagreement. 2. Incorporate trendy buzz words to sound smart and edgy. 3. Resort to fallacious arguments with a special emphasis on Ad-Hominems 4. Be long-winded and sassy. It's over for them days. There are too many well spoken negros that's not saying shit. That are literally being the shit that they're trying to tell us doesn't exist. Dismissing, down-playing and disrespecting Black Men's complaints about being dismissed, down-played and disrespected.... Find another whipping boy. It's over.
Why do people keep saying it's one bad experience? It's not one bad experience. It's multiple negative experiences. Why do people keep dismissing our pain? It's not one bad experience!
Even if that’s true, shouldn’t this logic be applied to everyone? Why am I wrong for not being attracted to bw after getting bullied and even assaulted by them for my entire life?
@@Demsky83nobody is saying people don’t experience these things but when there are more people in real life that don’t face these issues you’d think maybe they should try to reevaluate what it was that made the experience so negative and understand that no single experience no matter how many is going to always be the same.
I’m so glad I’m a nerd with random interests. I don’t get involved with any of these pretend internet war ideologies. On either side. I just live life. People who live online and have weird parasocial relationships. FD is corny. The red pill shit is corny. Go outside. Get a hobby.
