What happens when a Pro FPS player plays their first Fighting Game? 

So if you are rushing to the comments before watching all the video, the various rage and salt from the event can be funny yes, but the purpose of this video is not to make fun, but rather to say that I totally and completely understand where they are coming from. Fighting games are hard and scary, and it gets way harder and scarier when you don't know what you are doing and there's money on the line. So in looking at this AT&T event, basically makes me think why are fighting games considered so hard from an outsiders perspective anyways?

The E honda pick literally being caused by Brian F tweeting " to anyone competing in that tournament, pick Ehonda and mash Light Punch to win, thank me later" is super funny.

Gotta respect that even when he's salty he's admitting it's about skill and not bad balance. Genuinely admire that he doesn't blame the game for sucking but himself for not being skilled enough

I would imagine part of what made him so frustrated is that being a pro FPS player, he's used to being one of the best - somewhere near the top of the pack. But almost none of the skills he's spent his time learning to be an FPS pro transfers to fighting games. It's like taking a top level Olympic runner and having him participate in NASCAR or try to take up boxing.

"Anybody that plays fighting games, they are greatest gamers in all of existence." Cheers to that bro! 🥂

Honestly, this whole clip for me feels very nostalgic & in many ways wholsome for me. More Power to Noko for just giving a fighting game a shot. Everyone has been here at some point, and it really just shows how hard Fighting games truly are. The fighting game genre is not for everyone. It's funny how this man, Noko, thinks that Fighting Games back in 1999 are easier, but the "REAL" reality is that those older fighting games are WAAAY harder. For instance, back in 1999, that was a year for "Street Fighter 3rd Strike," May 12 1999, and it's one of the hardest Street Figther games to play.

My number one frustration is definitely getting hit, and not understanding how/why. Games don't explain "chicken frames" or "landing recovery". It outright enrages me, but I'm always mad at myself for not understanding. Understanding is key to improvement.

"I loved it but hated it" is probably the best way to describe fighting games for me 😂

I think that one of the most interesting takes on Single player in a fighting game I've seen recently is Them's Fightin Herds. Turning it into a kind of beatemup style situation where you're going through and encountering different, simplified enemies. Like, this wolf jumps at you and in order to beat him you've gotta learn how to antiair. This snake is gonna sweep low, jump in on him. And then combining that with movement sections where you have to like, dodge back and forth around the stage to avoid big area attacks. It's not gonna teach you matchups or really even how to combo or anything, but it's going to get you familiar at least with your characters normals, teach you how to move, and generally how to read the screen space.

I can definitely understand where Noko is coming from. I went into Strive having never played a fighting game before and it felt like I had to learn to play piano just to do basic combos. One if the things I feel like is rarely discussed is the lack of public understanding about what low-skill gameplay actually looks / plays like. From the outside looking in, most of media coverage about fighting games is high-level tournaments with absolute killers. You see these dudes with flashy combos and incredible control of their character and go "I want to do that". Then you boot up the game and get memed on by a Potemkin running Garuda loops. I've become a big fan of the genre but man, it's a real kick in the teeth to accept that for awhile the peak of your ability will be basic gatlings and anti-airs. Especially when you're already used to being proficient in other genres.

Fighting game chads rise up 😎 including the bronze players we are skilled gamers

This event was so hilarious and enlightening to see.

They probably would have been better picking something like DBFZ with it's autocombos and beginner friendly stuff. Was fun watching some of the streams though.

I have been trying to teach a friend Skullgirls. He had tried fighting games before and given up on them, and when he heard me talking about them he reinstalled and tried the tutorials again. When I realized I started telling him about my experience starting out. Skullgirls was my first game as well so there is a lot of overlap between our experiences. When he said he couldn't do a quarter circle I told him that we all start there, focus on what you can do and to take things at your own pace. There are 18 other moves you can do with a single button press 6 standing, 6 crouching, and 6 jumping, so try to figure out what those do first. He is starting to figure out basic L>M>H combos with one of his characters and has cleared story mode on easy for the first time.

I will say this, as much as I love fighting games, they aren't for everyone

Motion inputs can take a while to get used to sure, but in my eyes the real gate-keeper is not being able to consistently do one move into the next e.g. SFV links, KOF specials into specials, GGST microdash, etc. Having consistent buffer systems, hit-confirmable hitstun, and clear combo routes is the way to go. I personally enjoy finding combo routes in fighting games on my own, but having a proper buffer, a reasonable amount of hitstun, and clearer combo structure would just objectively be more fun and would allow more people to play without getting frustrated or scared off by the impossible "challenge". Edit: Fighting games are hard and should/always will be difficult, but they shouldn't be difficult for reasons that amount to outdated industry standards or older FGC generations. It's much easier to teach a veteran player something new than to teach a new player veteran-level game-sense and technique.

In other words, fighting games are the best allegory for life 😆. - When learning a new skill, you'll suck at first. (Get over your ego) - Find out what you need to improve by asking to ppl that are more experienced than you. (Always strive to improve) - And remember that you're not invincible. At any time, a perfect stranger can whippe the floor with you. (Be humble)

>street fighter 5 >frame perfect combos wait what ?

Man, it really is the outside point of view that fighting game players, no matter how "bad", are missing. Like I'm not really that good, I have like what, 500 hours combined in xrd and strive? 100 hours in all the street fighters combined? I'm not toooooooooooooooo deep into fighting games. But that's an infinite amount of experience I have other those that have never played a fighting game. I look at street fighter 5 and go "yeah, that's pretty basic pick up and play. Won't win but I can do stuff." Meanwhile those people probably don't even know any inputs. And why would they, most fighting games are terrible at explaining things. And because of that, even something easy to pick up like street fighter has this aura of impenetrability. And not gonna lie, I do feel kinda humbled to hear from a pro fps player, who I will never, EVER be able to defeat in a shooter, how hard fighting games are and how good I am for playing them.

What can i say, fighting game players are just build differently

10:15 jakenbakelive is one of the better players of the annual annihlator cup, he also took part in the MK tournament last year. But the funniest part was when he challenged his girlfriend waterlynn to Tekken 7, he got beat for over an hour straight, he didn't know that she streams Tekken regularly lol

If this doesn't say how identical the entire fps genre is, I don't know what will.

As a fighting game player, I find RTS the hardest game to play. 1 million press per minute. What?!

What's funny is I play fighting games like no one's biz, but I cannot hit the broadside of a barn in FPS games.

Happy Easter Sunday to those who celebrate! Maybe you can spread the holiday cheer by leaving a like on the video? 🐰 Rugal big guide coming in a few days more than likely, after that who knows cause I don't lol.

I will admit hearing people complain that fighting games are unapproachable by these streamers is either disingenuous or they are out of touch with what happened to them at the beginning of their journeys in their respective genres. Watching someone pick up their first moba is a nightmare because the barrier to entry is so incredibly high given how many mechanics you have to learn, characters, items, etc. just to attempt learning. I believe it is much easier and faster to grasp the beginner concepts in fighting games than mobas

Most of us who started in the fgs did it when we were children, throwing all the mechanics in our faces and seeing how to learn. It's obviously not a good learning system, but the genre hasn't found much better than that. What I strongly believe is that lowering the runlevel (as Project L, DNF, or possibly SF6 intends to do) is not the way to improve the genre. Better single player modes could be explored where mechanics are unlocked step by step (like a beat'em up RPG), so that new players assimilate them better. In any case, the morbidity of having seen these pros (famous more than pros) scared for playing one of the easiest fgs in terms of execution today, has been a lot of fun.

I love seeing new people try to get into the fgc, It is an undertaking that those of us that go to tournaments or have just been in the scene a long time forget. The feeling of being forcibly humbled by even the most basic of players is something that stays with you and will either thrust you forward or leave you where you are

I like motions. They feel very satisfying to get off

I think what doesn’t help is they were learning to be immediately thrown into a tournament (albeit a low skill level tournament) for a notable cash prize. I’ve taught my girlfriend basic chain combo structure in Guilty Gear and Blazblue and neutral/patience via SamSho. I don’t play to solely to beat her per say but rather work on some really specific thing with a character I don’t main and we both have fun. She even understood motion inputs pretty quickly on pad (although she found it easier on my hitbox) using Faust/May in Xrd and Strive (which means she got charge motions too), Hibiki in Blazblue, and Yashamaru Kurama in SamSho.She didn’t pick for meta, just designs or quirks she liked seeing move on screen. I thinks it has a lot to do with the expectations and learning environment. Anyone can learn, most people will never be a tournament champion, but everyone can have fun when you view it as a game first and an income source second or never. For reference the only games she plays other than fighting games to do something I enjoy together are the Ace Attorney games, Danganronpa visual novels, and like Kirby and Luigi’s Mansion so not exactly an aspiring pro-gamer.

Things I believe a FG needs to succeed: -Good Tutorials -Good Netcode -Large playerbase (so that you're able to hop and find people at your level) -Straight forward mechanics from a beginner POV -Familiar / Highly known characters to attract people from outside the FGC The only games that had a good amount of this characteristics are Smash, Brawlhalla and Mortal kombat, that's why this are the most known FGs from a casual POV, and that's also why I think Project L might be the key to get a fighting game into the modern mainstream audience.

As someone new to the FGC, I came from Apex same as Noko here. My reaction was the same as his. I ended up doing alot of research on fighting games (mostly from your channel) and it helped greatly in understanding how it works.

I'm all for fighting games becoming more accessible, but I hope it comes from in game tools to better teach the player, proper training modes and such. I truly hope simple inputs don't become the norm though. For various reasons and some bias, I think they'll hurt certain design decisions. only time can tell I suppose.

I really appreciate Noko's candor and praise for fighting game players. I'm laughing at his salty speeches, but I understand as we've all been there.

I feel it. Man, the number of times I felt this way over FPS!! Each genre takes its own kind of skill and knowledge, and I commend these FPS pros for giving their all and trying out a fighting game. Don't worry about it, Noko! We all started here!

The problem with a lot of discussion on this topic is most people forget what it’s like to learn fighting games. I only started with DBFZ, I got hooked with auto combos and super dash because I could actually DO the cool stuff even as a beginner. After a while it made me want to practice getting quarter circle inputs down (still took me almost a hour to get A16’s grab combo down), how to do manual combos, how to IAD, and to get into other fighting games. I remember trying to get some friends into strive when it came out and most of them dropped it within a few weeks, the reason for all of them being that memorizing combos and motion inputs was too much work. And they’re right, it’s simply too much commitment to expect noobs to sit in training mode practicing execution for hours to even perform the most basic fundamentals.

“Frame perfect shit” Dawg I got to super plat mashing my head on the stick lmao

Fighting games are essentially "The World's Most Nuanced Battle System: The Game". Where most genres want you to feel powerful even at a low skill level, FGs by nature expect you to scaffold your way to putting the pieces together until you can get to the point where you can do the fun stuff. But even then, that's not why most FG players play these games. We play them because we want to overcome stronger opponents. The awesome combos and cool mixups are just a means to an end. For players who aren't knee-deep in FGs, the cool combos and awesome moves are the end. I think these streamers would have had a much better time playing Soul Calibur VI. In that game, it's so easy to feel like a badass without breaking a sweat. People talk about bad FG tutorials but frankly I don't see other games doing a significantly better job. The difference is in intuitiveness. As Noko said, shooting in an FPS is point and click. That's simple and intuitive concept for anyone to understand. Put the crosshair on the enemy's head and fire. To be clear, I am not talking about being good at shooting. I'm talking about understanding what the central concept of an FPS is. FGs say you need to deplete your opponen's health bar before they do the same to you. So, you press a button and a few seemingly disconnected attacks come out. Then your opponent blocks, what now? Oh, they fought back and while you're trying to figure out what to do, you've been placed on your back several times. Each time you get up, you get hit while you're trying to fight back yourself. And before you know it, it's KO. Then you wonder, how do I use my awesome special moves? How do I combo half their lifebar away? What do all of these gauges do? What's the circumference of a moose??? What I'm trying to say is that FGs are great games that have existed in stagnation from a design perspective. We think that switching from motions to simple inputs is a big shift but I'll argue it won't make that big of a difference. The problem of intuitiveness will still exist. In order for FGs to become more appealing (meaning fun at a basic level) they need to be a) understandable, b) consistent, c) learnable and d) engaging. Frankly speaking, I don't know how that can ever happen, at least with 2D FGs.

I found it funny that, when it was showing the games logo, all the fps had these boring ass white font. Then u got SFV burning with personality, lmao Now I'm understanding why people want SF6 Logo to change

Why was SFV even at this tournament? Like Apex, Halo, Counterstrike, yeah makes sense. Dead by Daylight, ok that’s a little different but still relatively fits in with the rest of those, but then Street Fighter is an entirely different genre. Of course everyone there is gonna struggle. It’s like if I made a tournament of Basketball, Soccer, Football and then Bowling

Reminds me of the MK11 streamer tourney that happened last year. It devolved into Sheeva spam but the guy who won was someone who actually learned a combo from Perfect Legend

This was a great video. I'm really hopeful that this wave of newer, more casual-friendly fighting games like DNF Duel, and maybe Project L, will help bridge this gap for beginners to enjoy fighting games. I don't know if I could have gotten into fighting games if it wasn't for Smash Bros. Playing that game casually for years laid the foundation for when I started to play competitively, and then that laid the foundation for learning more complex fighting games. Having to jump straight into something even relatively simple in the FGC like SFV or Strive would be pretty daunting for a complete beginner to the genre. If we get more games that can function as a "gateway drug" into fighting games and gradually introduce players to important skills without overwhelming them, while still being fun and exciting, I think it will be a great thing for the community overall.

Noko sounds like he doesn’t realize how bad he was at fps at a point. He wasn’t born a pro. Starting any genre from scratch is frustrating. Even something as simple as clicking on people can take years to refine the reaction speed and precision needed to feel competent in most gunfights. Map knowledge and smart equipment use are among those fundamentals as well. On average, the players with more experience in any genre will win more often

It’s funny E. Honda was the character chosen because of mashing, because in SF4 I did the same thing with Chun-Li. Personally, I can’t help but think that it wouldn’t be that different even if they were playing a game without motion inputs. Pretty much all that I played still have things people find frustrating about the genre.

6:02 "that's an elegant way of putting it" that shit is funny. Watching this warms my heart in a weird way makes me remember when I was getting mad at fighterz when I was new. Though that was sure a few years ago.

That guy was a clown. I was very disappointed by someone with that size of a platform using it to have a meltdown and bash the genre.

OMG watching that Honda clip is like watching my friends play fighting games. I would have destroyed every playing in that tournament, and I loose all the time at local fighting game tournaments. This guy literally complained about how the game requires so much skill that you can't win with luck. GOOD!

Noko coming out with the nicest salt rant I've ever heard, mad respect

A shame RTS games aren't very much around anymore, because those were HARD as well. Cue in those clips of Starcraft Brood War pros just SMASHING their keyboards, like, 200+ keys per minute, micromanaging an entire map and all. Man I miss that

I'm not a pro fighting game player, but I do play competitively. This makes me feel soooooo good lol. He thinks SFV is the hardest game he ever played? It could argued that SF4 was harder. Hell try Tekken lol. Nice upload Roof. I can't lie, I don't want motion inputs to go anywhere but I think the simplified controls are the future.

“This game is bullshit, and takes no skill! Any random guy can mash buttons and win, it doesn’t reward skill at all” “This game is too skill based and hard, a random guy can never beat a guy better than him. I miss button mashing” The duality of gamers

For some reason this discussion reminded me of Core-A Gaming vid on Honers vs Innovators.

I think the sole reason why there aren't any good tutorials (that teach you as you play) is because either they don't know how or they just don't want to bother to figure out how and is probably "too much work" to even think about it

This is a great video. It sums up why there is a wall between the fgc and other games.

this is a small thing but another big thing that makes it harder to take losing at fighting games: you're never sniped or ambushed or anything like that--you ALWAYS see it coming and you can't get away from it. it's not quick or merciful, it's a protracted fight out in the open, and that is STRESSFUL

Gun - Point at someone and they die Martial Arts - Spend entire lifetime mastering one inch punch There's a reason genres exist. They attract different mindsets and attitudes.

Dude thank you for this.

As a very casual fan of fighting games, I've always been weirdly attracted to how, well, difficult they are. I liked KOF's complex motions and mechanics because, to me, they required a degree of skill beyond mashing to "get good." I stuck with the series over the years, but never once have I considered myself "good" at it. Like other FGC content creators have said of the casual FGC audience, I just like to hop in, press buttons, and see some cool stuff happen. I think simplified controls will certainly help get more people into the genre. Personally, I was a little disappointed when KOF introduced the auto combos, but if it helps people get hyped for KOF's future, and for other fighting games in general, then great!

Ive been thinking how they could help noobs. For starters they need role icons / fighting style icons next to the fighters similar to how they do in mobas, with a detailed description of what that style is supposed to do. Mayb have a video breakdown of it in action when you click a more info tab on the fighter! A general gameplan! Zoners, Grapplers, Shotos, and so on!

This was amazing. That guy had me cracking up with his salt. I really wanna watch this tournament now

Let's just be honest, Fighting games are hard. There's a reason they don't have million dollar tournaments

I'm new to the fgc and I struggle a lot with pretty basic execution. Some motions just don't feel very good for my hand to make and I fail them a lot. Timing is also very difficult to wrap my head around as well. My saving grace is Potemkin. If I can land a buster then I usually have the round and I never feel like my hands ever have to do anything complicated or difficult to get results. Watching people play Pot is what got me into the fgc and I'm in deep. I'm absolute garbage, but I love the games and characters and community and wanna get better.

This takes me back. Back in the 90's I was the only one in my group of gamer friends who played fighting games. While they were playing PC games at PC rental stores, I was at the arcades playing various fighting games. Fighting games are hard especially for people who have never used an arcade stick before. Heck I stopped playing fighting games for more almost 15 years until I regained some interest when SFV came out, and it took me more than 3 months just to relearn how to use an arcade stick. I could imagine how hard it would be for someone who has never used one in their life. I remember the first time I tried learning how to play SFII. It was the hit game at the time but I didn't know how to play it, and I knew no one who knows how. First time I played I was nervous because people were watching and I didn't know what to do. I was culture shocked with the 6 buttons since I got used to beatem ups with only 2 buttons. I picked Ryu since that was the default and the CPU was Chun-Li. I got my ass kicked since I didn't know what to do and was so nervous with so many people watching, and someone in the arcade said "ha! he got beat by a girl". One day I got this Gamepro issue that included a guide for Dhalsim, Zangief, and Vega, but I misunderstood the commands. Like Dhalsim's Yoga Fire says "d, df, f + P" and I thought it meant I had to press down twice then forward twice then punch. I was shy and I didn't want to embarrass myself again, so I found an arcade with no players and I tried to play Dhalsim there after reading the guide. This was my second time playing SFII. Thing is immediately after starting, a girl my age challenged me and picked Zangief and she just kept mashing Spinning Clothesline. I lost badly since I still didn't know what to do. And once again I was defeated by a girl, but a real one this time hahaha.

This sort of this is actually why I'm thankful that I got into fighters grinding games against my equally inexperienced friend group instead of my first experience being getting rolled over by randoms online. Back then every discovery felt like proper anime training awakening bs, and getting better alongside people I actually knew really kept me invested for the long haul.

The only people who hate motion input are the people who tried a couple times but got tired early because they can't land it. The one who keeps trying until they get it the moves out are the one who most of the time didn't hate it, some even like it. I don't want motion input to be dead but we still need a game with simple input just to be an entry point for anyone who wants to try fighting games.

Oh God i feel so good right know being just a humble and average fighting game player lol. just getting to my meager level took me decades ! Much love to all my FGC brothers and sisters we are gods among gamers.

This gonna open a can of worms in fgc twitter, it already has it seems.

"When you don't know what you don't even know." - That's so important

Its funny how Noko thought how unenjoyable it was even though he is essentially playing against people at the same level. I mean, I played street fighter 2 when it first came out. i didnt know what I was doing but so was everyone else! It was such an enjoyable game. When I tried playing sfv after all these years, I got thrashed. Didnt enjoy that part but I got motivated to learn. Then I got on your channel and many others and tried to learn more. Its a really really deep rabbit hole and I need to watch many videos on the same topic to get more understanding. i mustve poured hours and hours just to learn the most basic stuff. While I am enjoying it, I am sure it will turn off a lot of people. The time investment is probably the most for any genre out there

Literally no difference between Fighting-Games and FPS games if you look at it at the competitive level. I just recently started playing FPS-Games (Rainbow SIx, Hunt Shodown) and didn't even know why i was losing. Sometimes dying in under one or two minutes. The only difference? The playerbase and the knowledge-base that has accumulated with FPS games. Fighting-Games could be the same in a different "time-line".

Motions are NOT an entry barrier. Virtua Fighter and Tekken combos are mostly strings of buttons and command normals. Yet Virtua Fighter is among the hardest games to learn. And it has just a punch, kick and guard button. Simple inputs and a few buttons don't stop it from being deep and complex. If you want to make a button masher break down... play Virtua Fighter with them. That said, fighting games have a high entry barrier because of numerous elements and mechanics to understand. Movement is simple enough in most of them, unless they're Guilty Gear, Under Night in-Birth and Melty Blood. And then come the attacks. It's not just a simple click, you need to understand that each attack has three segments: startup frames, active frames and recovery frames. And that's just the tip of the tip of the iceberg. To love fighting games, the player needs to enjoy the learning process. Sure, everyone wants to do cool combos and all... but they're not the only fun part by themselves. If getting to that part isn't fun too... then fighting games are not your genre.

"if you don't know what you don't even know" : as a beginner, facing a player with more knowledge than me, is the most stressful thing but it is also the most exciting thing. "if I knew this before!" into "ok now i'm doing it" is the best proof you are improving and for a multigaming player like I was, I have never had this feeling so much than in a fighting game. Luckily it is also the type of game on which players share their knowledge the most. Thank you for your guides !

DUUUUUDE! I wanna see the reverse of this. All my favorite fighter streamers pick up an fps. I suspect it'll turn out either much the same, or because we in the FGC already eat a high salt diet, it'll be totally different!

I Love street fighter but I feel I could learn brain surgery before I could begin to learn this damn game 😆

I think this is probably one of my most favorite videos that you've done. But at the same time, I totally understand because when playing shooting games, I feel the same way. I've had times where i've snuck up on my opponent, started shooting them, at fairly close range, and then turn, take a couple shots, and I'm the one that dies. I don't understand and it's completely frustrating. So much like Mr. Noko doesn't understand fighting games, I feel the same way about shooters. I am terrible at them, and people who can just drop opponents in a few seconds baffles me.

I've always said on fighting games there motion imputs are where the depth comes from they allow for a crazy number of moves to be tied to a single button and when you master then you master at least one character in every game by default but they also are the gate that keeps new people from entering the community I've always said they should stay but games shot have like a simple input system like in MVC so if you want you can learn the game and do crazy shit or button mass and do simple stuff so you don't feel like you always get steam rolled by someone else its like when I started guilty gear strive I never went below floor 9 and was in 10 if it wasn't a bad day finding out the norm was floor 5 blew my mind I was like huh I forgot when your new to fighting games even the more simple ones really are challenging anyway happy easter everyone have a great day

It's humbling to hear some of the things he says and others it's cringe in a laughable way, I understand his frustration and honestly its refreshing to watch a known player at least kinda bring this to light.

fighting games are rage itself. I remember being 10 years old and getting my ass kicked for like 3 months before doing my first combo.

His tweet reminds me of me back in junior high when I've got PS2 and my friend made me buy Tekken 5 xD I hated that game so SO much! I said the same thing back then, but then I tried DBFZ, and after a long and hard relationship I found out that I enjoy figuring them out and playing, even though I still struggle to not rage from time to time :D That being said, I think the circumstations of how Noko tried a fighting game kinda ignited the rage? Being it an event with a reward at stake (AFAIK?) and so on. It's definitely an insightful moment that opens up the debate about new people vs fighting game unverse.

Soul Calibur 2 was amazing. I played that game to the death in elementary/middle school just because of the story mode. Didn't play another fg until Strive.

It was really flattering of him to say that

Thank you for the inspiration, Noko! 😂

ive been there, i remember this part of the journey

can I just say: I hadn't heard of this event (i'm not really a deep competitive fan anyway beyonds enjoying SonicFox making the commenters mad by staying the GOAT) The idea of a fighting game tournament populated entirely by people who don't know how to play fighting games but have to take it EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY sounds super fun to watch

None of the solutions that Rooflemonger brought (better tutorials, lack of motions, more steps towards absolute beginners, etc) would have prevented for what happened. None. We should not apologize for playing the genre. I, personally, felt in love with the genre for what it is, at a time without tutorials, with even less informations available on the web, and with even less players around me at the time. Now that everything has never been more easy, they want more? Why? Isn't what we have now already enough?

I feel like these kinda “rant” clips by those that don’t play FG’s I feel are part of the reason we keep getting auto combos instead of just solid tutorials.

Hahaha that clip in the beginning is so funny

That last quote was awesome 😂

That last clip of him saying fighting game players are superior, my response "well duh."

0:19 And that's how Dynamic controls were made.

Noko: This is the hardest game I've ever played. 3s, Gg ac+R, MBAACC, Tekken 7 players : Do we recommend our game to him?

We are the superior gamers period

I learned Tekken from watching clips of matches I lost and learning the recommended combos. I think as a tutorial/ practice mode games should drop you in a match with a computer and have you fight, while occasionally having popups recommending specials and combos as the computer gets progressively harder the more popups you complete. I'm not sure if it would difficult to implement but just my 2 cents.

Im a strong believer that IP and characters is what draws ppl in and makes them long haul FGC members. DBFZ, Smash, MK are all successful not because they are good games but because "Holy shit I want to play as Goku/get-over-here-guy etc. etc." Thats why the Riot FG could be very important to the community.

You make a great point about tutorials. Even for the games that invest a lot into their tutorials to make them beginner-friendly (like Strive), I wonder if there's potential for explanations to be broken down even further. ex. Motion inputs attacks. I remember when I was a kid and played SF on a PS2 controller, I struggled learning how to do a hadouken -- I would press the d-pad (down, down-forward, forward) and then the attack button, but nothing would come out. Later I found out I wasn't pressing the attack button fast enough, and that it's supposed to be a continuous sequence. It's not hard once you know how to do it, but that was something I only learned after spamming the commands out of frustration and wondering if I wasted my $ on a game. I get that the controllers people play on will be different, so explanations for how to play may not always be consistent. But maybe this is what fighting games need to do if they want to keep traditional mechanics alive. New players aren't dumb, but devs can do their part to make communicating concepts even more clear.

it's disappointing how little effort they put in, I've had fun playing with my non gaming girlfriend in sfv, they were just completely ruined by their fear.

Next Cup, have the FPS players download Fantasy Strike.

Lol wait until they find out 90 % of Street Fighter V players just rely on dumb gimmicks to win against people who don't know how to deal with them. All the respect they have for fighting game players will vanish in a second.

This makes me feel good as a competent Fighting game player.

Its definitely interesting when you think about all the stuff you figured out be so hard for those players. Doing a DP for example was tough, but now 2nd nature. Atleast they made an attempt and maybe a few might try again.