What If The French Revolution Never Happened? | Alternate History 

How do you know France wouldn't just give Louisiana to Spain after all it used to be a part of new Spain in fact Napoleon took Louisiana from Spain before he even took the throne. I might just be confused Spain may have been bankrupt IDK

Can you do one what if the US Got New Orleans instead of all Louisiana? Or what if Mexico took Cuba in 1836? Or what what if Mexico's proposal of land cession 1847 came true? Or what if Poland turned fascist or what if Mexican an Brazilian empire never ended?

Also whos side would Mexico join during the civil war if not for French invasion

spoiler alert everyone dies

Monsieur Z 👍

This is one of the most accurate comments I have ever seen. You should feel proud of yourself.

I Got The Comment To 300 Likes And The Reply To 30. *The Powa Of 3 Grows*

이동연 Queen Marie never said that, the words were mixed to anger the revolutionists

oversimplified squad where you at

@@abyssiniaempire8672me

i see you're a man of culture as well.

But he does say let them eat a Taco Bell crunch wrap supreme

Lmaooo your pfp and name 😂

What if monsieur z did a part 2 for any of his videos

Yes

He should

Him and Maria Antoniette cared for the lower class. There is a reason as to why the majority lower class and peasents fought for him

@@hodor9851 thank you for recognizing the true feelings of the French.

Any fonts and sources where i can read more about it? i really want to know more about Lois XVI outside of what is told of him in primary and secondary school.

@@hodor9851 They always say history is written by the Victors. The real question is ask is, how do we become the Victor's?

@@hodor9851 And I was thinking that there may be a missing observation about Marie Antoinette's role in this alternative timeline: the whole reason for the marriage was to strengthen ties between Austria and France. During the course of actual history, her reputation and the press about her reached very ugly hostile notes. But she and Louis learned to love and respect each other. She had powerful family members not only in Austria but in the Italian states and elsewhere thanks to strategic marriages engineered by her mother. It's possible all this might have made her an essential partner in making Louis' hopes and ambitions reality.

The only other Alternate timeline I want more is what if Sergei korolev lived? It means the Soviets are able to correct the flaws in the N1 rocket and also land a man on the moon. NASA is given more funding and the Apollo program continues into the 1980s. The amount spinoff Technologies and political changes due to said Technologies is unfathomable. Because of the needs to stay longer on the moon, we would use nuclear reactors. This can help mitigate fears of nuclear power and lead to wide-scale adoption earlier which could have an effect on climate change. I see a 2000 that is very green thanks to space. A lot of biotech.

@@dragoninthewest1 That's a nice alternate timeline. Imagine if 2020 was in that timeline we could be space colonizing or exploring galxies now.

@@kelvindelacuesta2003 that's way too optimistic. Interstellar travel (travel from one star system) is at least a century away let alone travel between 2 galaxies which are millions of light-years apart. In 2020 we'd have permanent lunar settlements dating back to the late 70s/ early 80s. Probably have sent more probes to Venus. Mars surface settlements would in there early phase likely with the first Mars landing happening in the 1990s/ 2000s. Thing is how does the collapse of USSR change thing? Would the Chinese start their program in the 80s? Also we'd probably ended the Vietnam War early, so less soldiers being maimed or coming back with PTSD.

@@kelvindelacuesta2003 At this point space is essentially a big hole of nothing to stick your head in

@@jonasastrom7422 this

@The 357 and yet, by the end of the century, France would be an Islamic Republic. What a progress!

The only good thing French Revolution did was the birth of my country lol

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@@mac17633 Brazil. When Napoleon rose and started his european conquest, eventually, he went to invade Portugal. The portuguese royal family fled to the colonies, further developing Brazil, and eventually, leaving an heir by.

@@sarrumac lol damn that would be cool

Not only monarchs and leaders but even far more commoners, whole peoples : it had the effect of making Italians and Austrians much more Catholic and nostalgic, and the anglo-saxon peoples much more Protestant. Anyway liberalism, especially the French variety, was a school of thought for the privileged only and advocated slave conditions for the non-elite people : Catherine the Great abandoned liberalism under popular pressure and renewed interest for slavic roots.

@@MrMirville even in the U.S. eventually the American People soured on the French Revolution because of the Reign of Terror.

@@carterbentonjr399 No, the US soured because under Robespierre slavery was abolished, triggering the Haitian revolution that threatened to communicate to the whole continent. Killing a slave master was all of a sudden declared a good deed France would reward whomever was to as refuge for it.

@@MrMirville The abolition was never enforced in the colonies though.

​@@MrMirvilleno, during the french revolution slavery was abolished in Haiti by Haitians. America worked with haiti during the first french republic and the Napoleonic period to promote their independence to the point that most of Haiti's trade was with the US and they had strong diplomatic relations. When Napoleon tried to reintroduce slavery, Haiti committed genocide against white people, which is when America closed off ties out of fear that Haiti would promote a white genocide in America.

@@kirpi7996 As well as an Austrian lead Germany and other effects.

Cadien Approved (acadian,from Louisiana.)

I wish! No offense to Canada but if this world have happened, our french people over there would be just french not Canadain and a lot more of us everywhere over there. Probably free travel between both continents. since it would technically still be french Territory in a huge way 😍

A better france if Louis the sixteen was actually competent .

@@stadtrepublikmulhausen4121 Debatable, but interesting take.

Now were talking

@King Victor Emanuele idk, maybe they united Germany first

@King Victor Emanuele yes

@King Victor Emanuele If you take it that far back in time, before the unification of France, then Austria is a tiny german dutchy without control over Hungary and Bohemia, so yes, it would be included.

@King Victor Emanuele It would also definetly include the minor dutch provinces in the netherlands and Belgium, and probably northern Italy as well as they were part of the empire

@Erik the Red What do you mean?

would be a shit

the USA would never let a country in America have a real government, probably at some point in history they would create an excuse to invade, as in all wars that participated.

@@amanda76269 taking a look at how the Brazilian Republics "progressed" it wouldn't be a good idea

@@moicanosto1564 nah Brazil for a long history had a military power that could rival usa i am American but then a revolution of communist broke out which died then the king died a sucession crisis happen and then it became a heavily corrupt weaken

I rate that Japan one

I vote spanish-American war

I upvote Japan

"what if Spain won the Spanish american war" the war wanted any remaining influence of Spain removed from Central America. The chances of Spain winning are very small and the Spanish navy was in shambles. There is almost no way Spain realistically winning in the events of our timeline

@@grandinquisitor8335 I do agree with you, but how i think they ein is that the british get scared thaat the us is invading spain for, what looks like to them, Colonies, so they pre-emptive invade the US to defend Canada. Thats rhe only way i yhunk they wil win.

It's probably likely that he would've done the same thing as the majority of Chinese emperors. Set up his own dynasty which probably wouldn't last more than a couple of generations after his death. The history of China would be slightly different, but the general shape would remain the same. The reason is because the history of China is basically the history Dynasties collapsing into civil war, followed by one Warlord eventually rising above the others and setting up his own dynasty (then rinse and repeat). Some Dynasties managed to hold on for two or three centuries, but we're really only talking about the Ming and Qing dynasties there and they both ended very bloody. China was far too large, culturally diverse and too fractious to be held together by any one state given the technological limitations of their time. That's probably the main reason they never had major colonial activities, because they were usually too concerned about maintaining their own borders. And when you're fighting civil conflicts, unable to control your own population, it makes it a whole lot easier for foreign powers to come along and start throwing their weight around

I like 16

And they were defended by nobles; which werent useless tyrants

Mars would be already conquered

Or perhaps the reverse.

Then England would be speaking French by now.

For that to happen, you need to the byzantine empire from falling

I was just about to suggest that one!

No.1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are good.

Monsieur Z is indeed a conservative.

Austria hungary stronk

What you say is true for Louis XIV but not for Louis XVI : he could not yield to a constitutional monarchy because any constitutional monarchy would result in the Duke of Orleans replacing Louis XVI and allying with England.

It’s mentioned in the start of the video that Louis XVI just gave up on any real change after his reforms kept being blocked by the first and second estate

This timeline is not, I think, bad for Mexico. I also think Z missed some things about the Spanish Colonies. Fix what he overlooked and things should be much better. Recall that after the 7 Years/French and Indian War France sold the remaining western part of Louisiana to Spain. This made the Gulf of Mexico basically a Spanish lake. At the end of the American Revolution Britain ceded the eastern drainage of the Mississippi to the new nation. All this land was landlocked and on the wrong side of the Appalachians. The US did build canals connecting the eastern drainage and Great Lakes to the Atlantic Seaboard but development was still slow until Napoleon sold them Louisiana. So in this timeliness the US would be desirous of buying the whole thing. But if they don't get Louisiana then the Civil War would never happen. Spanish Florida extended all the way to Louisiana, so what is now the states of Alabama and Mississippi would have just been annexed into Georgia and without an easy way to export cotton then the slavery-driven plantation system would have never expanded westward. Georgia, The Carolinas, Maryland, and Virginia would be the only slave states while new free states of Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and Wisconsin would keep both the House and Senate firmly swung towards abolition. This would probably happen in the 1820s. In our timeline the push for independence in the Spanish possessions of the New World did not really take hold until after Napoleon destroyed Spain. However, here the various viceroys are able to keep their power. Also, keep in mind that the actually settled parts of New Spain that are now US were limited to the land grant ranches in southern Texas, the upper Rio Grand in Neuvo Mexico, and the string of missions along El Camino Real in Alte California. There was very little push to expand settlement further, as the majority of the population was in a broad swath from Vera Cruz to Mazatlan via Cuidad de Mexico. The US could buy the rest of Louisiana, but not so early. Napoleon had no use for it but Spain still might be holding out hope for exploiting the land. Eventually though, they would sell as the US continued to develop the land west of the Appalachians and increase the amount they would be willing to pay. Maybe by 1820, by which time slavery would have been abolished. Oops. Just remembered that at the same time as Spain purchased Louisiana they sold Florida to Britain. The Americans had no design on Florida initially but as the Britsh mainly used Florida as a means to sew discord among the native population in Georgia the US eventually had enough and made taking it a part of their causus belli for the War of 1812. In this timeline, France and Spain would have seen helping the US in the war as a part of their campaign to take Britain's overseas colonial empire. This would include helping the Americans in their invasion of Canada and the Spanish launching an invasion from Cuba to regain Florida. Spain would also assist France in regaining Haiti at some point. With the help of Soain and France the US invasion of Canada would succeed, the US would take Ontario and the Maritimes and France would regain Quebec while Spain regains Florida. Having purchased Louisiana the US would begin to have designs on reaching the Pacific. As in our timeline, this would be via the Columbia River watershed. Having lost Canada the British might abandon their endeavors on the Pacific coast leaving the Oregon Country wide open to American incursion. The Russians might have tried to settle on the coast of Oregon, but for the same reasons as in our timeline they never get much presence. Thus the US would gain all of the coast north of California. In the Mexican viceroyalties there would be a gradual push for independence rather than one driven by armed revolution. Peru, Venezuela, Colombia, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Argentina, and Mexico would be granted independence, probably around 1830 and Paraguay and Uruguay would remain part of Argentina. Mexico would keep Central America north of Colombian territory (Panama). The new country would still be at loss as to handling its northern tier so might be amenable to selling the land to the US as the American government had offered to buy it in our timeline. Therefore the US would have all of it's current contiguous territory plus all of Canada save Quebec while Mexico would be a stable democracy and close friend of the US.

What ?

Perhaps the bigger fish [France, Commonwealth Poland and Lithuania, Russia, Austria Hungary, ottomans ] would eat them?

@@gog_magpie Seems unlikely

Literally a better world.

Nah, it would have been a Constitutional Monarchy with a King waving around acting all pretty while the Prime Minister rules the country. Like Britain.

CIA : Ops it actually didn't

Good suggestions

@@gog_magpie thanks

The USSR would have not falling i may of last to at least the earlier version 2000s

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@@rhodesianwojak2095 Look up Giambattista Vico. The OG counter-enlightenment philosopher.

The founding fathers said that even if they had gotten fair representation in parlement it would not be ideal since the British representation would have dwarfed the Americans, and thus the Americans would still have very little influence on the rule over America. However, if they continued to go along with it, and eventually include Canada as well, then at some point in the 19th or 20th centuries we could see a shift of power towards America and the colonies, likely leading to the dominion system we see today, but more of a federal structure, with Britain establishing a measure of independence from the imperial parlement. The monarchy is likely to continue as well since the Americans only began to despise monarchy in the lead up to, and during, the revolutionary war. Of course this also has massive effects on the rest of the world. France would not have a revolution in the 18th century, and may attempt to modernize in the same manner as the video suggests, but this time without an American ally, which results in a much more powerful Britain, especially as time goes on.

Me too.

Germany would've lost. They weren't ready for war at that time.

The Dutch took all but one Swedish colony which was given to the French It'd more likey be just what if the Dutch didn't get kicked out