very biblically sound interview. I am pleasantly surprised to hear someone who does not have the gift still accept it and understand it biblically and not shame anyone who believes in it. Very mature believer right here.
"Don't fret too much if it's not a prominent experience." This word from Pastor John comforts me. I've been a Christian for a long time and never experienced speaking in tongues. I tried but to no avail.
The Holy Spirit is recieved as a permanent indwelling presence by the believer as the result of the Holy Spirit baptism. That is why John the baptist made a point of telling people that the one coming after him would baptize with the Holy Spirit. This in fact was a profound declaration because in the old testament the Spirit of God came upon the prophets and filled them but then departed for a time. I was aware of the presence if the Holy Spirit around me and was filled with the Spirit before I ever recieved the Holy Spirit. The Word " recieve" in the original Greek of the new testament means " to take hold of". Even a free gift must be recieved before we have it. When I recieved I had two altar workers who had already been baptized in the Spirit take me to a prayer room and lay hands on me and pray for me as I prayed for the Lord, fervently, to fill me with His presence. Once the Lord answered my prayer and filled me I had to surrender the last vestige of my will, my tongue, to the Holy Spirit because the Word says that no man can tame his tongue( James 3:8-10). Man can't but God can. So stopped thanking the Lord for answering my prayer and opened my mouth and relaxed my tongue consciously surrendering my tongue to the Holy Spirit. Within a few seconds I felt control of my tongue seized by the Holy Spirit and I began to fluently speak in what we refer to as speaking in " tongues". The effect was staggering. Never had i felt such pure joy. Now I understood why i saw beforehand pentecostals acting as they did in church. Joy is being " beside yourself" you are so happy. It was later that the Spirit showed me that when I had surrendered my tongue ,and He had taken control of it, that it had triggered the fillings' overflow, which is what Spirit baptism is, while at the same moment the Holy Spirit joined with my spirit becoming one forever to be an indwelling presence in me.
@@robertnieten7259 that is a great explanation and I agree 100 percent with your testimony. I sometimes felt the love and peace of the Spirit as a child and did not know what it was. I just knew I wanted to always feel that way somehow. It would come and then go. I was 25 when God brought me a great teacher who explained the Bible to me and brought me to church. At the altar I heard a roaring bonfire all around me. I cried . I was water baptized in Jesus ‘ name. After they fasted and prayed a week for victory over my fear of the unknown, I felt the Spirit sink in like a white silvery mist and when it hit my heart it burst out of my mouth with tongues and I felt a river of power and love and joy unspeakable. That was the baptism of the Holy Ghost and it has never left me in 41 years. It is always in me with peace and love.
I'm glad to have a better understanding of this. I have been encouraged to do this, but the Holy Spirit has never grabbed my tongue, and I ain't trying to say banana backward to please people. My Lord knows what He's doing.
Speaking in " tongues" occures as a result of the Holy Spirit baptism which is to be filled with the Spirit to overflowing. A believer must pray to be filled with the Holy Spirit continuously until God answers your prayer. It's biblically cited that having others that have spoken in tongues to lay hands on you and pray with you. Once the Lord fills you then you must yield your tongue, "the body's most unruly member ""that no man can tame" to the Holy Spirit until He takes control of it. Then He confirms to you and those praying for you that you have been " born of the Spirit". He does so be giving you a new spiritual language that the English translation of the Greek calls " tongues". Now you can pray in your language and pray in the Spirits language( tongues) any time you want.
As a Pentecostal pastor, I agree with Piper 100%. This is the most balance explanation I have ever heard. I do not believe that everyone must speak in tongues. I do speak in tongues, and I believe in the sovereignty of God. The new dispensation of demanding from God by us as charismatics rubs me the wrong way. I only want what God gives us, even though I believe in asking God for my desires. I continue to see Dr. Piper as a true servant of God, not lacking in what God wants him to have
Speaking in tongues changed my life, it has edified me during the most TRAUMATIC times of my life and God has HEALED ME! Ive never needed pharma drugs or professional counselling. I praise God for a father who was a scientist, philosopher and pastor. He taught and educated me how to think, understand the Word, and use reason to get my own way out of my pains and make better decision, but the gift of tongues has shifted my human spirit to one of POWER when the devil, the evil have tried to oppress me. Ive prayed in faith and spoken in tongues and felt the power of Gods Spirit LIFT my faith above the lies of the enemy. The utterance was of the Spirit and I had no idea what I was saying. It was not for interpretation, I use it in my personal prayer life. Aka ALL THE TIME. Throughout the day I am praying. I soeak in tongues in the car. Walking in the store, praising around the house, in the shower, when im in intercessory prayer I do get “estatic” and theres NOTHING wrong with that! Praise God with your body yeild it as an instrument of praise and yeild your praise as a SACRIFICE of praise. Tongues can make one feel estatic. But you Cant help feel that way when feel that energy of God!
The true gift of tongues will build you up. It will open you up to the presence of God. It causes the gifts of the word of knowledge and wisdom to flow so that God shows you things when you pray. I received the gift of tongues even after telling God I did not want to speak in tongues. It was not something that appeared desirable to me at the time and I was afraid that God would cause me to speak in tongues when in public and people would think I was crazy just like the bible says they will if everyone is speaking in tongues at the same time. Mr. Piper is right, it is a true gift from God. I would never refuse anything that Jesus wants to give me. I do not elevate tongues above the other gifts and it grieves the Holy Spirit when we speak disdainfully of this gift. There are people who get their flesh involved, just like the Corinthians did, and they do things that cause others to reject what is truly a gift from God for us. And I would like to say that Paul never told the Corinthians they were not speaking in tongues but he did bring correction to their use of the gift. Just like any other topic in the bible there will be error taught about it but we don't throw out the message of salvation because some denominations teach error about it. We seek the truth and allow the Spirit to lead us and show us what he wants for us. God is good to give us this gift and all the gifts. Let's not be guilty of refusing something that God wants us to have.
Speaking in tongues is the holy spirit speaking through you to god to express what is in your spirit to tell god that you cant put into words . it also is a way for god to give you a message that is for you and you alone. I have spoken in toungues before and it was beautiful. I loved it. The feeling of the holy spirit taking you over is the best feeling ever.
I agree with your first sentence but not your second. If you want to hear God's message to you, get someone to read the Bible out loud to you. Interpretation of tongues is for the body of Christ and not for anyone's personal benefit. If you speak in tongues and give an interpretation in your private prayer time you risk going into New Age mysticism and getting your message from the wrong spirit.
Biblical speaking in tongues is speaking in a known human language. Nowhere in scripture is speaking in tongues ever speaking in random incoherent babbling gibberish. Sadly, many Pentecostals/Charasmatics have twisted the scripture, misinterpret it & take it out of context, in order to justify their false teachings of what speaking in tongues actually is. If you were to do a deep dive study into the origins of the Pentecostal/Charasmatic religions of the turn of the 20th century, you’d learn how their false teaching of tongues & their practice of false speaking in tongues came about.
Frances he was asked a question sis and he spoke the truth of the word of God.. Why are you angry? Must he speak in tongues to be able to answer a simple question 🤷🏾♂️
Yeah he was so sincere I once tried to speak in tongues because they lay hand one me for the purpose of speaking in tongues asking me to speak I spoke because i didn't wanted to be different But i knew it wasn't it
I speak in tongues. I believe that for many people myself included their brain gets in the way of letting it out! Eventually after having it for years, i humbled myself and "babbled" and shortly after opening my mouth for Him to flow, my gift of tongues was flowing and flowing. I have had it interpretted in churches and in private prayer times. I have seen its power. Its a good gift!
I am googling/youtubing what speaking in tongues means and the more I learn about it the less I know what it is haha. Can you explain to me in simple terms what it means?
I, too, asked for this gift several times. God will give you what is profitable to your spiritual well-being. For me, and the way certain things bring out pride and arrogance, He has not. He does bring out tears when the Holy Spirit is present. He has also brought out laughter and short bursts of giggles when joy overcomes me. I long for the experience but as His child, He knows what I can handle and what I can’t. If I were to gain this gift it would be a sign to me in my development of humility and patience as He perceives those things in me. So I wait and don’t ask anymore. But I do desire that gift as many others do. What is sad is to walk into a church where you are looked down upon and told you are lacking in growth and obedience because you do lack this one gift. I experienced that before and decided that that location was not beneficial to my own growth.
My late father, who was a deeply profound. genuine man of God with a powerful prophetic preaching ministry, never once spoke in tongues! Thank you, John Piper, for saying what I have come to believe too - that not everybody filled with the blessed Holy Spirit, speaks in tongues.
Speaking in tongues is the result of the Holy Spirit baptism. It is to filled to overflowing with the Holy Spirit. The old testament prophets had the Spirit of God come upon them and fill them ,but then depart for a time because God had not yet allowed man to be " born of the Spirit". It is the Spirit baptism that results in the Holy Spirit remaining in the believer.
@@robertnieten7259 You demonstrate that you have no idea of what being filled with the Holy Spirit is. You need to start with the foundational principles of Christianity.
@Removing Veils Thanks for your reply. Back in '78 having no church background whatsoever I accepted an invitation to go to a church Bible study with a friend. Before it began I noticed people going through a side door. My friend saw me watching them and asked me if I knew where they were going ? I told him no. He said they were going back there to pray and if I wanted I could too, so I did. .. when I walked back there I noticed a carpeted room with low sitting benches scattered around and people kneeling at them I found one off to its' self toward the back, went back there, knelt and closed my eyes like I saw they were doing. I had picked one off to its self because I really didn't know how to pray and wanted to hear how they were doing it. After a few minutes I heard a girl come back there and she was praising God and thanking Him as she came. Then suddenly she started speaking in this stuttery sounding language I had never heard before. Keeping an open mind I remember thinking, " That's interesting". Immediately upon thinking this I felt this presence approaching me. Usually with your eyes closes you can detect someone's presence up to about three feet away. This presence had to be at least seven feet away when I first detected it. I could feel the power of this presence as it approached me but I also felt love so I wasn't afraid. After a few seconds I opened one eye thinking that someone must have knelt nearby me and it was their presence that I had detected. No one was anywhere near me so I concluded that it must be God. That next night I went to church again. People were nice in greeting me. During the service I saw some of them shouting, dancing, and running the aisles. I remember thinking that they had seemed to me to be solid, sane people when they greeted me and they must be acting this way because they were experiencing something that made them so happy that they were " beside themselves" in expressing it. I then decided that the presence I had become aware of the night before near me they must have in them, and I wanted that. So when the altar call was given I went up. The altar worker asked me what I would like the Lord to do for me ? I told him that I wanted the presence I felt around me in me. He told thr pastor this and him and another worker took me back to their prayer room. On arriving back there he told me to kneel facing the wall and start asking the Lord for what I wanted. I knelt, closed my eyes and started asking. The workers were quietly praying for me behind me. After a few minutes I heard footsteps and then the pastors' voice telling me, " Brother Bob, stand up, lift your hands, and recieve the Holy Ghost". I stood up,with my eyes still closed, and lifted my hands. I immediately saw a window appear to my upper right. It had what looked like those old fashioned shutters on the outside ends of it and they were wide open. I looked in the window and saw this beautiful blue sky. Then I saw this bright light appear ar the right hand corner, inside the window, and it began to move across my field of vision until it reached the centerpoint. It then stopped and shined on me. Right away I felt this warmth at my ankles begin to move up my body. I felt like my body was a container being filled with a warm liquid. When the filling approached the top of my head i was thanking the Lord for answering my prayer. Then I heard the pastors voice in front of me telling me to surrender my tongue to the Holy Spirit I stopped thanking the Lord, opened my mouth and started relaxing my tongue as a way of surrendering it. Suddenly I felt control of my tongue being seized and I began to fluently speak in this language I had never learned. The effect was staggering. Never in my life had I experienced such pure joy in my life. Now I was beside myself I was so happy. I led the way out of the prayer room feeling as if I was in the midst of a great celebration I couldn't see. I stopped and faced the seated church members. Suddenly I felt such love for these people that I really didn't know. I felt like I was facing beloved family members of mine. Lastly, when I arrived home I decided to read a little from the Bible before bed. When I opened it and started reading I was amazed. Suddenly it had taken on much more depth and I became aware of the Spirit that I had recieved guiding me in understanding what I was reading.
@@robertnieten7259 Hello Robert, I understand what you are talking about. Similar things happened to me also over a period of 24 years. My experience started the same time as yours as the charismatic spirit started in our country. In the 70's David Cassidy overtook the frenzy of the Beatle Mania in England. One girl had a heart attack and died in the auditorium. Now if you boil it down, she died for nothing. People get hyped up in their spirit and anything can happen. People see what they want to see and feel mysteries. But it is mist. I know; having gone through it for nearly a quarter of a century. Over my now 40+ years of experiences in charismatic / "evangelical" churches I have seen things that would make a sane person run for the hills. But then I started reading scripture under a rule I gave myself: count everything that I had been taught as doubtful and prove the truth of it. I did this because leaders could not answer my questions truthfully or reasonably. I started knocking on pastors all around my city (including my overseer in Seminary who holds a doctorate, and the dean of the college) and not one was able. So I began my own research. I devoured my Bible and read numerous books, particularly the old saintly writers. If you seek truth, or if you think you have truth, then bear it up for scrutiny. If it holds up to intelligent scrutiny, then keep it as truth. If it doesn't, then discard it as falsehood. And if you are not prepared to do that then know that all you hold is dogma, not true doctrine. Bad doctrine cannot stand up to the scrutiny of scripture and reason. Both are required to validate a truth. Try it; you will be shocked at what you find. But I must warn you: when you find one truth, it will turn your whole world upside down. But as you add to that truth other truths, you will find yourself more and more free (as Jesus promised). But this new freedom will not be as these churches give. They will not be mist and mirages. There is much I can say on your experiences. But if you are honest with yourself and really learn to value your soul and the honour of God, you will seek what I suggest. I wrote an article on my own experience of tongues compared to the reality of truth in the scriptures and the history of faithful men. So far no one has been able to refute what I said therein. I would strongly suggest that you give it a read. You are welcome to challenge me on anything I wrote. removingveils.com/talking-in-tongues-true-or-false/
@Removing Veils Thanks for your reply. I read your article. First of all the reason that most people in church history were not ever known to speak in "tongues" is because the never recieved the Holy Spirit. They were told they had simply because they believed but that belief conflicts with scriptural accounts of believers recieving the Holy Spirit. For example, in Acts ch.19 Paul asked the disciples if they had recieved the Holy Spirit since they believed ? For Paul to ask that question debunks the belief the believers recieve the Spirit when they believed. On hearing from them that they hadn't even heard that there was a Holy Spirit his question to them was, " How then were you baptized ? They said Johns' baptism and Paul said John said, " John said to believe in the one to come after him, Jesus Christ". Upon hearing this they didn't make a confession of faith they believed by what they did and that was to go down to the water to be baptized. Afterward they recieved the Holy Spirit confirmed by them speaking in " tongues". The Word " tongues" in the original Greek is singular not plural. Lastly, there is in biblical study what is known as The Law Of Repetition based on the fact that the Word will repeat something said or an event three times to direct our attention to an important spiritual truth. Three times only do we have accounts of believers recieving the Holy Spirit and what occured immediately upon them recieving, Acts ch.2, 10, and ch.19. In each instance the first thing that happened was that they spoke in " tongues". The scriptural speaking in " tongues" can only occur after repentance and water baptism as the result of the Holy Spirit baptism. It is to filled to overflowing. Once prayed for and answered by the Lord by Him filling you with the Holy Spirit one must surrender their tongue to the Spirit until He takes control of it, " tames" it, and enables them to speak in the spiritual language that we call " tongues". Once this happens it triggers the fillings' overflow while at the same moment the Holy Spirit joins with our spirit, becoming one. Now the believer has recieved the Holy Spirit.
I speak in tongues. I received the gift when I was praying to God at 12 years old. I was raised Pentecostal, However, I do believe some abuse this gift. The scriptures show order in how it's to be practiced. It's for ones own personal growth. Not to be put on blast for people to see. It's a gift. But if someone doesn't have that gift, it's completely okay and they are no less or more than someone who has it. The Holy Spirit gives us each gifts. So we can't earn them. If a person doesn't agree, that's okay, but don't paint all Christians who have this gift with a broad brush. And arguing and putting down someone who does, or does not use this gift, doesn't bring God glory. Nor does it reflect John 13:34-35. We should all be careful with how we respond. Delivery of a response should be carefully thought out. Exhorting and encouragement are both great tools to use when done in the right spirit. God bless!
@@DigitalPraise7how can you show off if you’re praying in tongues in your personal prayer closet? I received the gift of tongues while interceding for a family that was about to leave the church over me offending them, and all of a sudden I started speaking in tongues, that was not showing off, it was in deep travail & deep communing with God over those sheep. Some gifts come when we humble ourselves & are not envious/jealous of Joseph’s coat of many colors.
speaking in tounges is a wonderful gift especially when it just follows out naturally in a supernatural way with out any effort and knowledge of what you r saying! I never thought I could receive it, but I did one day I went to church and in worship the holly spirit touched me and I started speaking in tounges. I really was trying to speak English but I was filled w/ the holly spirit! English is the only language I Know so to receive this was amazing and I was in shocked that someone like me could speak this??? I went to work and I could not speak English straight until I knew how to turn it off and on when I want.
Haaheo Tagaloa I do believe you. God is good. he does give amazing gifts. praying to the father in tounge is a beautiful gift only the 2 of you share together.
Lol what , you can turn it on and off ? It’s crazy how not once did you give the Glory to God , instead you made it all about yourself ! This the problem with people claiming to have these gifts , they take away the Glory from God and make it all about themselves . It becomes a selfish act, thus the church is not edified or built up in any way . Praying for you b
Speaking in tongues came late for me in my walk in Christ. Happened outta nowhere one day. Been such a wonderful experience every time. I try to stop it and it keeps happening so I knew it wasnt me. Then I speak what was spoken in thr unknown tongue. Glory to God! I pray that I will fan the flame of this gift and continue to use it for his honor and his glory.
@@wendymitchell8245 in 1 Corinthians people thought the apostles were talking drunken gibberish.. just like you are here saying it sounds like gibberish. It’s not the flesh that’s speaking in tongues it’s the spirit
@@DamaDojo1 It does not say that in Cor. ch.14:9 'except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood how shall it be known what is spoken'. Does that sound like gibberish . ? You are thinking of ACTS WHEN THEY SPOKE IN GENTILE LANGUAGES ,SOME THOUGHT THEY WERE DRUNK ,or said they did .See my comment a week ago for more detail.
Sir, i understand all that you are saying through all your videos that i have watched. I never thought to see one who speaks like i feel. And i marvel with your child like faith. Praise be to God! All glory to Him!
I love John Piper. Ever since the first time I actually watched/listened to any of his teaching videos, I have felt such an affection for his affection for Christ.
The most biblical attribute of a genuine tongues experience is speaking a known earthly language that you don't know that can be translated by a native speaker of that language. Source: seeing a close friend of mine experience the baptism of the Holy Ghost and he spoke fluent, 100% translatable Japanese as clear as any native speaker could, and did not know the language. One of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed in my entire life. I've also known a pastor that was in Korea and went to a prayer meeting and heard a woman speaking clear, fluent English. After the meeting he tried to strike up conversation with her and found out, to his amazement, she did not speak English. This is extremely rare, but it does happen. The genuine experience of tongues needs to be affirmed as something that can be interpreted, otherwise it is not fully biblical. The "tongues of angels" argument is a misunderstanding of Paul's hyperbolic expression (1 Corinthians 13:1). Paul did not literally mean speaking in tongues of angels. Unfortunately the modern Charismatic movement has perverted tongues to mean "angelic prayer languages", meaning it could just be babbling brought on by emotions. We have to affirm the word of God and what actually happened at Pentecost. We also need to be very, VERY careful about teaching the attainment of spiritual gifts. They are received as a byproduct of a close relationship with God. If we ask in accordance with His will, then he will give it. But we should not put these things on a pedestal or even desire the actual speaking in tongues or prophesying. First we should seek a life that is totally honoring to God, and then in His perfect timing and grace, he will distribute what will build and edify the church. Definitely not a cessationist, but these days, I completely understand why people are.
I agree 100% Joshua. I have always seen speaking in tongues as meaning different languages. Glad you share my thoughts. Not many people see it that way.
The problem is that that never happened and you know it. These kinds of things simply dont take place anymore. This has not happened since about 60AD. Not one word written or spoken about it since Paul wrote about it until the 1800s. Literally no Christian has ever said one word about this until the 1800s where in each case since the 1800s, the speaker of these other languages never spoke them to a person whos native language was that which was being spoken, meaning that not one person has been given the gospel in their native language by this gift and said one single word about it as part of a testimony of theirs as it relates to how they heard the truth of the gospel. These kinds of lies do nothing for the advancement of the kingdom and at the end of the day, only hurt it.
jacob walters you reason like an Atheist. It happened and I am an eye witness. I am not gullible nor am I a liar. It's arrogant of you to presume that because you've never seen it, it's impossible. There's no scripture that supports your point of view.
Wounderfully honest...wonderfully Biblical! I could feel the sincerity and love from John for the truth in the word of God. For his understanding and faith presented in his words...10 out of 10 for both. "For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the spirit." 1 Corinthians 14:2 No one understands him? ! Be sure to pray to interpret
I would like to give my testimony. As a young Christian I was attending a church which taught that tongues were of the devil. That was my only contact with the subject. I was in college and a near-by church was having an evangelical outreach which involved free food. Naturally I attended and heard a good evangelistic message. I went back a few times because they had other activities and soon discovered the church was One of those denominations which had speaking in tongues as part of their belief system. I learned this from one of the other college aged people and not from the pulpit. These people seemed like they worshiped the Lord so I was confused. I read in the scripture that if I asked for a gift from God he would not give me a stone. I also read that no one could say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. So, in the privacy of my own living room said to the Lord that if this was from Him I wanted everything he had for me, but if it wasn’t a gift from Him I asked for His protection. I began to say Jesus is Lord out loud several times and then began saying phrases that just seemed to be coming out of my mouth. My first thought was, “That couldn’t be it.’ And just stopped. A few weeks later the church had an altar call for those who would like to receive prayer to receive the gift of speaking in tongues. I went forward and received prayer. I began to do what I did in my living room and the man praying with me said that’s it. He began to pray in tongues along side me and to my surprise he made the EXACT same sounding words I had made in my living room, having never before heard someone pray in tongues before. I only had the interpretation of tongues once. I was a member of leadership in a drug rehab ministry and at one of our graduation ceremonies a word came forth in tongues. Everyone waited for the interpretation but none came. Suddenly, my feet began to burn so hot that it was painful and I knew I had the interpretation. Being a naturally shy person this was the last thing I wanted to do. Finally I could bear the burning no longer and just began to speak. The words that came out of my mouth had no for thought on my part. The message was one of encouragement and confirmation for a course of action and direction for the ministry.
The most important thing you need to know about speaking in tongues is what Jesus said about it, and He did not mince His words in Mark 16:17: "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues." Jesus declared that tongues is a supernatural sign that can and should accompany everyone who believes in Him. God does not give His children any bad gifts, so we shouldn't fear or ridicule the gift of tongues.
@@adenreleojeniran9423 HE WAS ADDRESSING THE 11 AFTER REPRIMANDING THEM FOR THEIR LACK OF BELIEF . IN 2 COR .12;12IT IS CALLED THE SIGN OF AN APOSTLE .Not you. Read in context.
@@adenreleojeniran9423 you need to know everything the Holy Spirit said through Paul and the prophecy of Isaiah 28. 11-14. that is why you do not understand it at all.JESUS WAS ADDRESSING THE 11. SAYING THESE GIFTS WOULD FOLLOW THEM WHEN THEY BELIEVED .READ IN CONTEXT.
Speaking in Tongues is "a Gift," and it is a good gift since it is from the Holy Spirit not from man or earth-languages though it is occasionally manifested as human language. Some says, "it is a gift not for every Christian." But I would rather say, since it is a gift, everyone can have it if they ask for it; and yet it is totally up to the Holy Spirit.
As someone coming from the Pentecostal tradition: what a beautiful summation he offers. Pentecostals have truly take it beyond what is biblical. I'm sorry to say that I've been denied credentials because I do not speak in tongues.
True brother, I have been a Baptist all my life. So Sad they don’t still get it in the 21st century, and having denied you credentials due to their poor understanding. Keep it up
That's the fault of that particular church that requires every credentialed ministry has to speak in tongues. You'd be better off seeking credentials from a Baptist church that accepts people from a Pentecostal background. I fellowshipped in two Baptist, and spent 23 years as an elder in a Presbyterian church, and made no secret of my Pentecostal background, and I was fully accepted as part of the hard core of those churches. I gained my M.Div from an on-line Bible college where the faculty staff are allied to the Church of Christ, and they fully accepted me with my Pentecostal background and award me with high grades for my research paper on the healing ministry.
Here is your answer: 1st corinthians 14:2 "for anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit."
read in context , he is saying that is what they are doing ,receiving a message from God and returning it without understanding ,Why ? v.5 onward is saying you must understand it. V21 .is a quote from the prophecy of Isaiah ch 28 : 11.Isaiah says the future gift of tongues will be a sign for those leaders in Jerusalem that is Jews. Therefore no Jews present ,no gift. What is the sign about ,as signs have meanings. it marks the start of the church age ,as at Pentecost they heard them in their own languages .Tongues are in gentile languages and are a sign to unbelieving Jews that the gospel is going to the gentiles .This is why all tongues today are fake gibberish.
Listening to Piper, I hear a very genuine answer, and one given in humility. I have learnt that I cannot claim to love people more than God does and that as our Father, He will gladly give His gifts to His children. The child who receives a gift should not run around belittling those who haven't. In the same vein, the one without the gift should not castigate the one who received, or even claim the gift is fake. They would do well to earnestly look forward to receiving theirs. Jesus does not look for opinions, He answers those who call.
Pastor John Piper is a godly man with a Ministry to bless the body of Christ. My earnest prayer right now is that pastor John may receive this precious gift of speaking in tongues. God bless you pastor, it is for you too, may you receive it.
thanks pastor John for your sincere sharing. Indeed the Spirit has His freedom to give whatever to whoever .. for His glory and for the building of His church
@@wendymitchell8245 wrong. Pentecostal theology is very clear and biblical articulated. Is people's responsibility to study it. You studied the subject, but you became the wrong teaching. So you're not in a better peace. Peace
@@passiveyoutuber4972 PENTECOSTAL THEOLOGY is none of those things .It varies from church to church and has some like the word of faith movement claiming to be GOD ,WHICH ARE BLASPHEMOUS ,AND IS CULT TEACHING .Right from it's foundation there were false prophets .in their churches. In G.B. there was IRVING with prophetesses claiming later their prophecies were demonic .Then the so called holiness movement claiming to be sinless. HEB.1:1 SAYS IN TIMES PAST GOD SPOKE THROUGH THE PROPHETS.it ended with the complete inspired revelation given under the control of the Apostles,or it would not be in the past .
God bless you, John Piper, for listening to the Bible and seeking God´s gifts as He has said. I was encouraged by your faithful and thoughtful answer on this issue.
I have to say, just for myself, it is a relief to hear that a prominent pastor so committed to Jesus cannot speak in tongues. When I hear some people saying that speaking in tongues is such a powerful tool to use against the enemy, it makes me feel bad because I can't do it. I guess it would be like any gift. I have the ability to paint and have musical talent as well. It wouldn't be reasonable to expect everyone to have the same gifts. If most well known Christians had this same gift of tongues, it could discourage many Christians from feeling accepted as part of the church. I also felt relieved when I read that passage by Paul about how not everyone has the same gifts.
Indeed integrity to His word read and pray.. growing up in a charismatic church God has really protected me when we desire to grow in His truth. True redemptions comes from. Not saying that the churches that I have attended are bad because they do have entertained the ideology of becoming more closer to God when speaking in tongues . It came to the point that I was spiritually insecure because i thought I need to have everyone's jam to be labeled as a HS filled christian. But thanks to this messages and even Paul washer and througn God's word it has enlightened and has change my heart to be in pursuit of the integrity , the truthfulness of the gospel and not on vision and mission that chruches our posting on their billboard. There's only one vision and mission and that is to be in repentant , to be faithful, obedience to His word and submit with humility to God's calling. Cause it is all about Him, have always been and will always be. The only main character of every story❤❤❤❤
Referring to "I would rather speak five words with my understanding" I would suggest we read more of the sentence and note the word "yet": "I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding". It is clear that Paul made this argument regarding the use this gift in the church and it appears that he spoke in tongues a lot when not in church. Though it would seem that not all believers had the gift of tongues, it does appear to have been in abundance and led Paul to write more than just a few words about it!. Paul also writes in 1 Cor 14:23 that "if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?" So "the whole church" "in one place" "and all speak with tongues" would only seem likely if many people had this gift. We can also see from scripture that baptism in the Holy Spirit was usually witnessed with the speaking in tongues. The point being: rather desire and use the gift of prophecy and pray for the gift of interpretation so that, when the church gathers, all may be edified by the use of the gifts. It is more blessed to give than to receive, and so it is with the use of the gifts... Be blessed but, even more, be a blessing to others so that our Father in heaven, the Giver of all good gifts, may be glorified!
I'm glad you brought this up. I have never pray in tongues around others . This gift was given to me at a teenage. Also my mother and sisters. Thank you Lord Almighty 🙏. Amen
You learnt it from men ,who do not study and check the Bible. There is no such thing praying in the Spirit is not tongues .Whey would God give a tongues message you do not understand to return to him when Paul said at the end 1 Cor.14, DO ALL THINGS WITH UNDERSTANDING .IN UNDERSTANDING BE MEN.
Everyone in my family speak except for my brother and I. I don't know why he does not speak, but I know why I do not. The so-called unknown tongue doesn't proceed from God. It is the invention of men and manipulation of the devil.
That is such a good explanation, thank you so much, something I learned in what you said. Not every one has or maybe God does not want them to have that gift, but he gave other gifts to us, to use. Nice way of putting this . Love your teachings.
Very curious about your statement. When you say "it's amazing," what exactly do you mean? What is it that makes it seem amazing to you? And when you speak in tongues, are the people who hear you also amazed by it?
I've been afraid of "tongues" myself, so I've never asked God for that gift. I'm just blessed that he answers my prayers that I do ask, insofar as it comes to healing. But there are some things in my life God has said NO to. One being a wife. The worst trouble I've gotten into was just accepting the first person who after several rejections, would accept me. I can attest first hand when God says NO to something, it's best to leave it alone. I didn't hear the "NO" and kept on pursuing a relationship with someone who almost got me away from God, and my Christian roots, but her grandson almost killed me three years ago. By God's mercy and Grace I'm still alive. But I know to listen to God when he says NO now.
I submit that you have been put off tongues by the misuse of it by false Charismatics who are ignoring the clear teaching of Paul in 1 Corinthians 14. If you are born again of the Spirit of God, you have the ability to pray in tongues. But if you have been put off by the spooky misuse of it, then I can understand that you would not have the level of faith in God to be able to ask, receive, and use your faith to allow the Spirit to flow out of you in a prayer language that God understands and appreciates. It doesn't have to be "ecstatic" or spooky. It is just the same as speaking any language to God. I pray in tongues in the same cool, calm and collected expression that I pray in English to Him. I don't get worked up in an ecstatic frenzy like some who think that is the only way to speak in tongues. Problem is that such people imbibe a wrong spirit and the tongues are generated either from the flesh or a paganised incantation fueled by an occult spirit. Where there is the genuine article, there is always the counterfeit.
@@Paul8276 You said "I submit that you have been put off tongues by the misuse of it by false Charismatics who are ignoring the clear teaching of Paul in 1 Corinthians 14. If you are born again of the Spirit of God, you have the ability to pray in tongues. But if you have been put off by the spooky misuse of it, then I can understand that you would not have the level of faith in God to be able to ask, receive, and use your faith to allow the Spirit to flow out of you in a prayer language that God understands and appreciates. It doesn't have to be "ecstatic" or spooky. It is just the same as speaking any language to God. I pray in tongues in the same cool, calm and collected expression that I pray in English to Him. I don't get worked up in an ecstatic frenzy like some who think that is the only way to speak in tongues. Problem is that such people imbibe a wrong spirit and the tongues are generated either from the flesh or a paganised incantation fueled by an occult spirit. Where there is the genuine article, there is always the counterfeit. My reply *@BaldEagle... What you are saying is in correct. There's no such thing as you have the ability to pray in tongues. What you are doing is not of God, you YOURSELF putting a bunch of silly syllables together is NOT speaking in tongues at all. That is just gibberish nonsense, and there is no such thing in the bible as a prayer language. What you are doing is counterfeit and you are definitely NOT speaking in tongues.*
Michael Morgan You said "I've been afraid of "tongues" myself, so I've never asked God for that gift. I'm just blessed that he answers my prayers that I do ask, insofar as it comes to healing. But there are some things in my life God has said NO to. One being a wife. The worst trouble I've gotten into was just accepting the first person who after several rejections, would accept me. I can attest first hand when God says NO to something, it's best to leave it alone. I didn't hear the "NO" and kept on pursuing a relationship with someone who almost got me away from God, and my Christian roots, but her grandson almost killed me three years ago. By God's mercy and Grace I'm still alive. But I know to listen to God when he says NO now. My reply *@Michael Morgan... If a person have not spoken in tongues they definitely do NOT have the Holy Spirt and if any man have NOT the Spirit of Christ they are NONE of his.*
@Michael Morgan God is protecting you from this because tongues have ceased. Your fear was warranted. God has given you discernment. Keep listening to the Holy Spirit brother and He will guide you in all things.
I thank God for this man of God!!! I have been so concerned about this and me too found out that indeed what we see nowdays happening in pentacostal circles is not it at all!!
I spoke in tongues at 3 years old in a church and the pastor interpreted it. I got saved three years ago and haven't been able to speak in tongues since I was three or since I have been saved. I know how it feels and want it desperately. I want my prayer tongue. I guess He will give it to me when He is ready if at all. If not I am so blessed in ways unimaginable and yet in the flesh I am poor.
I don't tbelieve I could live without my heavenly prayer language now that I have it. Thank you Jesus for this gift. And this was beautiful. Thank you JP!
Obsession, delusion, deception. To even think that you couldn't live without the prayer language!?! What's a prayer language? The devil has wrapped a counterfeited gift to look like the gift of the Holy Spirit, and because of the blindness of many, coupled with the gross deception at this time, many continue to tread on the wrong path.
Standing In Awe Gracefulybroken This is false teaching. The gift of speaking in tongues is not what the disciples experienced on the Day of Pentecost. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 14:26-27 explains how when the *gift* of tongues is operating, there are only two or three taking turns and another interprets. On the Day of Pentecost they *all* spoke in tongues at once 120 people, *not* two or three and *not* taking turns. Lastly, Jesus Christ(Yehoshua HaMoshiach in Hebrew) said in Mark 16 that to speak in tongues all you need to do is believe. I ask you to just surrender yourself wholly and completely to the Lord. Ask Him to speak through you and He will. He is not a respect or of persons and there is nothing you need to do but believe Him. Remember, it’s not a task for you to accomplish. It is simply allowing the Holy Ghost to manifest in you.
Its a unknown tounge speaking in that heavenly lanuage is praying in the spirit.The unknown tounge is a personal relationship to you and God.Only God knows what your speaking and what you dont know what to pray for he allows you to pray for it in that way
Praise God for an honest preacher who admits he never spoke in tongues though he tried and prayed diligently. I pray for you that you do receive it Brother Piper as well as myself and any other Christian seeking tongues as a gift from our Lord Jesus.
I thank God for the Humility in the heart of that man necause a usual man if they dont have something they go against it or completely reject it which blocks learning... but this man has wisdom and humility and that is why he knows what he knows.
"But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." - 1 Corinthians 14:19 This describes me. A useful guidepost on when speaking in tongues are valid was given to me stated this way: "Whose glory do you seek: his (God's) or your own?"
Are you understanding what he's saying in this verse that iscso often misinterpreted. It starts with IN THE CHURCH, he would rather speak 5 intelligible words....... He's still explaining the same thought from the verse right before it! Paul says he thanks God that he speaks in tongues more than others but IN THE CHURCH, tongues should only be spoken when interpreted
John Piper handled this subject Biblically and masterfully. God did gift and anoint him for preaching, and I love his expository teaching style. His love for, and joy in God flows from him and is contagious. I think he is the greatest theologian of our time.
I agree with Piper; I don't speak in Tongues either, But I understand that Tongues are Biblical and we are to be open to the possibility of these Spiritual Gifts.
There is a difference between speaking in tongues in Acts 2 and 1 Cor 14 which you should check out if interested and to verify for yourself, which I have done. In Acts 2 it is a known language, 1 Cor 14 it is an unknown language. In Acts 2 it is for public benefit, 1 Cor 14 it is for personal benefit In Acts 2 it is understood by humans, 1 Cor 14 it is only understood by God In Acts 2 no interpreter needed, in 1 Cor 14 an interpreter is needed if it is to be publicly used
Bigdee---THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE USE OF TONGUES TODAY. Please read on, thank you: Bible tongues were a gift to the apostles and their hearers. Seeking this gift today overlooks its persons, promise, and purpose (Mark 16:14-17; Heb 2:3-4). The gift of tongues was the property of the apostles and those under their ministries (Acts 8:14-17; 10:44-48; 19:1-7). ✿ Bible tongues BEGAN on the day of Pentecost in 30 AD, fifty days after the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, just as He had promised (Mark 16:17-20; Luke 24:49; Acts 1:8; 2:1-4). God used the gift of tongues to magnify the apostles as heavenly messengers, in spite of lacking education, reputation, and human authority (Acts 4:13; 5:12-13; 8:14-19; 19:1-7). ✿ BIBLE TONGUES LASTED ONLY A SHORT TIME. Paul told the tongues-speaking church at Corinth that the Spirit's revelatory gifts would end (I Cor 13:8). In spite of their emphasis on prophecy, tongues, and gifts of knowledge, Paul promised that these gifts were temporary. Charity was a more excellent way of serving, for charity was permanent and would never end (I Cor 12:31; 13:8,13). ✿ BIBLE TONGUES ENDED BY 70 AD, forty years after they began, when the apostles had finished writing the New Testament scriptures and such partial and obscure gifts of revelation were no longer needed (I Cor 13:8-12). While Paul was alive the apostles confirmed each other's writings (I Tim 5:18; II Tim 3:15-17; II Pet 3:15-16). The need for tongues had ended. ✿ BIBLE TONGUES WERE A SIGN TO UNBELIEVERS. Today's emphasis on speaking among believers in church services, crusades, or so-called revivals is contrary to God's will for the gift (I Cor 14:22). Tongues were to convince unbelievers that the speaker was sent by God with a divine message, as at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-11). The use of tongues among believers misses God's purpose for them. ✿ Bible tongues was the gift to speak foreign languages without study. But Charismatic and Pentecostal missionaries study languages for years to be able to speak them, and they never expose their "gift" to linguists or native speakers of any language (Acts 2:1-11; 10:46). Benny Hinn, the greatest tongues speaker today, must use translators to communicate with anyone of any language! ✿ MODERN FALSE TONGUES are emphasized over the other sign gifts. The reason is simple - tongues are much easier to counterfeit. Would you rather babble or handle snakes and drink poison? So Benny Hinn goes to coliseums to heal, not to hospitals! Charismatic faith and power tremble, when real miracles are required! Remember how and why Pharaoh's magicians had to quit (II Tim 3:8-9)! ✿ Modern false tongues are not God's anointing. Paul, the great apostle to the Gentiles and our example in following Christ, used the word only ONCE, and that was in a different context (II Cor 1:21)! He never used it in the three Pastoral Epistles. ✿ Modern false tongues are not the heavenly language of angels. Angels do not babble, gibber, bark, cackle, laugh, or oink! Some take Paul's hyperbole of I Cor 13:1 and make it some mysterious heavenly language, and then they claim that is what they speak! But Paul merely drew an extreme illustration of how worthless even the most glorious gift of tongues would be without charity. ✿ Modern false tongues emphasize women. Paul warned of televangelists entering homes and taking captive silly and lustful women (II Tim 3:6-7). The apostles taught that women are the most easily deceived by these seducers (I Cor 14:34-35; I Tim 2:14; I Pet 3:7). Paul warned women to be silent in the churches, but Charismatics promote women as pastors (I Cor 14:34-35; I Tim 2:11-12)! ✿ Modern false tongues have been proven NOT to be any language. If Charismatics disagree, they should take their gift to a linguist and preach to him. Or they can take their gift to a nation of that language and confirm it among native speakers. But they will not do this any sooner than Benny Hinn will clear a cancer ward or empty a morgue. He stages healings, and they fake tongues. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-deBkXxYThz0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C6-9gkPJboU.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GVSLc0cqlZM.html #
@@drspaseebo410 God bless you. Sell your arguments are wrong, because you misunderstood the teaching of the Bible. What do you understand of 1 Corinthians 13:10? How can you support your conclusion? If you want to discuss this subject, I'll post my opinions about the information you posted. How do you understand Facts 8.18 10.45-47. Needed the Peter to hear the gospel? So your argument that the tongues were just for preaching is not biblical. 1 Cor 14.23. This verse means that the gift is spiritual empowering from God but in church people should not disturb the service. I hope you want to talk with arguments. God bless you
Pray for the Lord to fill you with the Holy Spirit and keep praying until it happens.You will know when it happens.Then relax your tongue until you feel the Spirit take control of it.After that, you will be able to pray in the Spirits' language anytime you want.
I received my tongues while I was undergoing baptism in the Holy Spirit. I prayed too for interpretation of tongues. Manifestational gifts of tongues is one of the nine Gifts that Paul enumerated in 1Cor.
For me when I started speaking in tongues was when I was praying in spirit, uncontrollable groanings from my heart, the lord presence all around me and within, my heart feeling like it’s going to explode, I can’t speak any words but the lord is breaking me with loving kindness and all I can do is weep and wail... all while my mouth/jaw starts vibrating like when you are freezing cold, then all of my groaning from inside starts forming words/sounds when leaving my moving mouth and all of a sudden My heart is so full of joy reaching out MY LORD MY LORD, that I begin shouting which comes out uncontrollably in a foreign language... i had completely burst... next I’m spinning around dancing with joy because god has spoken to me... for hours afterwards I could feel god in every breath I took, every exhale.... everywhere I looked, in everything all I saw was JESUS JESUS JESUS !! I wanted to hug everything I could see, I was so happy and could see the truth which we forget, that I am held In the arms of my LORD!
Infinite This is a lack of self control practised by the pagans .Just of the flesh and not spiritual .The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of HOLINESS AND SELF-CONTROL.
I was raised in a Baptist Church and I am still there,And I was never taught to speak in tongues,But Paul said in [1 Cor 14;39] Forbid not to speak in tongues.I pray in tongues all the time when I am alone,And it is a very powerful prayer.We as Christians did not have these gifts until Jesus was taken into heaven and set back the Holy Spirit to be our Comforter.You don't have to speak in tongues,You get to speak in tongues.Speaking in tongues and praying with your understanding has an advantage over satan,Because he cannot read your mind as God can,And therefore cannot hinder your prayer like satan did Daniel's prayer to the Lord in chapter 10 God Bless.
Mr10glorious Understanding Enlightened from what God has taught me through the bible and what the bible says, I have came to this same conclusion as well ...and i don't even pray in tongues
I am impressed that one who does no,t can agree because of the scripture as opposed to what they might have been taught or based on their(lack of) experience! Paul says to,"Earnestly desire spiritual gifts",which He never repeats about anything else! If the Holy Spirit/God just "chooses" and "determines" who is going to have which gift, why then does anyone have to desire any gift or anything? God's gifts and blessings are not automatic! "I will give you the desires of "your" heart"! One will not automatically have what God wants them to have just because He wants them to have it , any more than God will automatically keep one from sinning just because He wants one to stop sinning! Deut. says that God tells us to "choose blessings or cursing,life or death" it is all encompassing and not up to Him!! One does not "have to have" anything that the devil wants us to have,and one does not "have to have" anything that God wants us to have either!! We can refuse both,or "have i"t through ignorance(in the case of the devil) or "not have it" from God out of ignorance also!!
Understanding Enlightened Just remember that the gift of tongues is not for everyone my friend. The holy spirit distributes the gifts as he wills. It has nothing to do with us.
"I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: (1 Cor 14:18) Tongues is not for preaching but for personal edification. Do you really believe preaching is all that matters? 1 Cor 14:33 Amen! So you pray in tongues on your own. 1 Cor 14:40 Amen! So we have order, but still practice the gifts of God. Hab 2:20 Amen! It doesn´t mean noone should pray or teach in the church. It means that when God speaks, we keep silent. None of these verses means speaking in tongues are wrong.
Thomas, you have not studied it all and you missed the whole point and reason for it Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles that is why he spoke in tongues in gentile languages .As at Pentecost.
Thank you, Thomas Fryxellus, yours is one of the more biblically correct replies I have read here so far. God's people must realize that the natural, reasoning, carnal mind of man fails in the presence of and the moving of the Spirit of God. John's gospel 3- the wind blows but you cannot see where it comes from or where it goes, so is everyone who is born of the Spirit. The Spirit of God is God. And as it says in 1st Corinthians 13, whether I speak with the tongues of men or of angels... Not all tongues can be interpreted as an Earthly language but they can all be interpreted by the Holy Spirit in the gift of interpretation through another believer. 1 Corinthians 12: 1-12. These gifts are given to the church by the Holy Spirit. Yes, let love be the root and motive of all we do. But do not try to understand God's Spirit with your natural/ carnal mind any more than you can understand God with your natural/ carnal mind. It is the mind of the Spirit we seek not the mind of the flesh. 1 Corinthians 2: 9-16. The things of the Spirit are foolishness to the Natural mind and they can only be spiritually discerned. Through seeking God with fasting and the Word and worship He will make his thoughts known to you as well as his gifts. May God's people seek the higher things. God's ways are not our ways and his thoughts are so much higher than ours. Isaiah 55:8-9. God bless.
My way to got tongues was from resistant to asking God give to me tjis gift to finally i got it. It seems opened a spiritual door for me to pray more easier and more close with God.
I loved this video, I think a lot of us "Christians" pretend but definitely not all & I'm happy he was honest about him personally not experiencing tounges
That was awesome! I so appreciate his honesty on this because I’ve wanted to speak in tongues as well, but every time I try I just end up blessing everyone in perfect English and praising God for what He did for us on the cross!
God bless you...Without faith it is impossible to please God. In your prayer time, as you received Jesus as Lord and Savior... ask, receive and do it... the Father will not withhold any good gift from you... and if you get too high and mighty -- you may get a thorn in the flesh. 🙂
I literally grinned at this. By the way, the tongues going round in end-time gatherings are deceptions, since the gift enables the 'user' speak human languages
1:36 "I don't buy, of course, the Pentecostal historical teaching that you must speak in tongues to signify that you're filled with the Spirit, or that you're a Christian, even. So, the function that it has, is that it's a gift. It's there. I see no reason for arguing that anything has changed in the history of redemption, that between the age of the Apostles and our age that that gift should have disappeared." Thus begins roughly seven minutes of must hear dialogue on this unnecessarily divisive issue. Blessings to you brothers for putting this up. As a Pentecostal by no choice of my own (I fell into it), I am so encouraged. The gentle demeanor of brother Piper is evidence enough that he has the Holy Spirit!!
1 Cor. 14 adds a lot more to the study of tongues. It talks about if no one is there to interpret, speak to yourself into God! There is your evidence indication of the "prayer language." And 1st Corinthians 14 :14 and 15, say, "when I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prays but my understanding is unfruitful... So I *will sing* in the spirit and sing in the understanding and *pray in the spirit* and pray in the understanding." So, praying in tongues is definitely one form of praying in the spirit. I believe anyone can speak in syllables, dedicate those syllables to God, and the Holy Spirit will use them and pray through them. A little transistor radio doesn't know whether it's playing Bach or Rock. I don't know if the transistor radio would enjoy either one. But a person can enjoy praying in tongues just knowing they are being obedient, and that Jude 20 says "Build yourselves up on your most holy faith" when you do so. They're also part of the armor of God. The last of the armor of God talks about praying in the Holy Spirit, which now we can see, csn include praying in tongues! We are made of spirit, soul, and body. And John, God tells us that "God *is spirit,* and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." 1st Corinthians 14 :14-15 mentioned above, add more understanding to that.
@@margocarmichael6765 Hi sister Margo, all those things you say are valid IF Paul is actually speaking of tongues and not something more GENERAL (and to be fair to you, you suggest this very thing by saying, "tongues is one way of praying in the Spirit.") I am a long time Pentecostal and have heard all these teachings ad nauseam, by ones less astute in the word than you are. Paul says other things in regard to the gifts that are clearly said IN REGARD to the gifts. How to speak in the community setting. How to have order. How to defer to one another. How to have words confirmed. How to desire the greater gifts, and especially to prophesy. How to test the spirits. How to put aside fleshliness. How to walk in holiness. How to show yourself approved. How to... Oh dear I've lost my way. I was talking STRICTLY about the gifts... But then there's FAITH, HOPE and LOVE. And we know the greatest of these!!! If I could offer something in the way of revelation it is something a Pentecostal brother taught me years ago: Pentecost is a LEAVENED feast. bibletruthpublishers.com/pentecost-or-the-feast-of-weeks/george-christopher-willis/the-seven-feasts-of-jehovah/g-c-willis/la130653
yea i was taught praying in the spirit was tongues but boy have I experienced differently. Intercession is something thats burns in me if/when I allow it to be used of me. I have had groans, literally, that I guarantee have shook the unseen realm, so powerful. Also I have had english prayers that flow from me like heavenly butter I'm listening to myself speak lol, this is praying in the spirit. I have had times of prayer where the heavy, weighty, burning love of the Father made me feel like I might explode and all I could say is 'He burns' (it was in respect to a particular person and His love for them), this one may have been the most powerful ever hands down. Anyway the religious spirit has caused many who don't speak in tongues to feel less than. This is two fold in that religious spirit is ALWAYS about being superior and 2nd fold in that if you feel less than you simply have some orphan spirit in you to work out still period. No reason for anyone to get upset, if something offends us we are not resting. To truly enter into His rest is to live in a place of un-offendable.
Having been involved with a church that held to the, "If you don't speak in tongues , then you need to get saved" mindset, Pastor John expresses here what I've always felt. It's how I saw scripture so clearly tell us. It. Is. A. Gift. Well put sir.
Ron Wright You said "Having been involved with a church that held to the, "If you don't speak in tongues , then you need to get saved" mindset, Pastor John expresses here what I've always felt. It's how I saw scripture so clearly tell us. It. Is. A. Gift. Well put sir. My reply *@Ron Wright... Please don't have itching ears. Jesus said these SIGNS shall follow THEM THAT BELIEVE. they shall speak with new tongues... Do you believe Jesus or John Piper? If a person have NOT spoken in tongues they definitely do NOT have the Holy Spirit and if any man have NOT the Spirit of Christ they are NONE of his.*
Unfortunately Ron, this was an extreme view of the Holy Spirit. Tongues is not a prerequisite for Salvation. I was saved for 7 years before I received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. There is a difference in being full of water and jumping into a pool! You never have to speak in tongues to be saved but you are sure missing out on a lot. Most people fill like they just got saved when they get filled but that's not true. Be encourage, the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is for you! You will speak in tongues after that experience. It is just what happens. I have never seen a person not speak in tongues after they ask God to fill them. Talk to people who know about this biblical experience and not people who don't.
C. Jordan no he did not ,say when you speak in tongues the spirit prays for you to the Father and edifies you . He spoke in tongues because he was the Apostle to the Gentiles and it was a sign to the Jews that God had turned to the gentiles Isaiah 28 .That is why it is in the past and Pentecostals are those mentioned in Matt. 7 :21. who claim to be prophets and caste out demons.
@@audrymoore7757 He would have known HEBREW ,GREEK AND LATIN .as did all educated Jews.Even the British spoke Greek as they traded in the Med. from the time of the Greek Empire.
@@wendymitchell8245 you're out of context trying to add and ommit other things written. Read the verse "1 Corinthians 14:2" it is clear and even Paul says "I Thank my God I spoke in tounges" and he (Paul) encourage and told them (church) to earnestly desire the spiritual gifts and do not forbid it.
@@wendymitchell8245 speaking in tounges said by Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:2 is plainly clearly to be understood those who have the gifts of tounges (with interpretation of tounges) are not speaking to men but to God for he is speaking mysteries. Biblically charismatic gifts is Biblical and Theological even Historical true and truth. Abuses are the other issues (out of the topic issue).
i have been in church as a boy I'm now 58 my grandmother spoke in tounges and another lady interpreted for the church.it was amazing to witness i received the gift of tounges about 2 years ago, let me say when i am praying and the holy spirit talks though me in tounges for me to the lord i have no idea what I'm saying and i am oblivious to everything around me at that time its as if I'm in a heavenly place. I can think what i would like to say to the lord but the spirit has full control of the utterances that come out its a totally other world blessing from heaven. The bible does say god wants us to have as many gifts of the sprit as we desire but great responsibility comes with these gifts only ask in Ernest and with the purest of intension for the gifts ,god bless and keep you.
Paul says if you pray with your Spirit, pray also with the understanding. If a man cant understand "interpret" the tongues "languages" your speaking in, he will not recieve edification but God understands all tongues "languages", therefore you will be speaking just to God. If there is no one to understand "interpret", then your suppose to keep it that way (between you and God)....in other words, keep quiet. If you dont do this, then your just gona be speaking in the air because no man will understand you.
Used to make fun of people who did this and then it happened to me... and just like piper said before I spoke in tongues I said “God is with us” and I felt God in a way I never have felt him before and I don’t think I will be that close to him until I see him face to face
Speaking babble or gibberish that no one can understand or translate -- as Kenneth Hagin did and as Kenneth Copeland, Paula White, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, TD Jakes and other "prosperity" or "word of faith" preachers (as well as many lay people) do, including "pentecostals" and "charismatics") -- is NOT "speaking in tongues", it is NOT scriptural, it is anti-biblical. It is critical to understand that according to scripture, the gift of speaking in tongues ALWAYS involves speaking a REAL HUMAN LANGUAGE complete with syntax, vocabulary, and sentence structure. A "tongue" is the Bible's word for a REAL, UNDERSTANDABLE HUMAN LANGUAGE (such as Hebrew, Greek, Russian, Japanese, Tagalog, Swahili or Arabic for example). The gift of tongues means speaking in a foreign language that the speaker does not know and cannot understand. When a tongue (language) is spoken in the presence of a person who knows that language naturally, then that person will immediately understand what is being said because it is the hearer's natural language. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-deBkXxYThz0.html Here's an example: if a Christian who speaks ONLY English has the gift of tongues and is prompted by the Spirit to speak in Mandarin, then this believer will not understand his own speech, which is the essence of the miracle. Nevertheless, the speech is real Mandarin language. Although the speaker cannot understand the foreign tongue, anyone who knows the Mandarin language from China will understand the speech perfectly. So when the Bible uses the term "tongue," it is NOT referencing a strange, nonhuman pattern of speech or utterance; it does NOT mean babbling gibberish which no one understands. On the contrary, the term tongue in the Bible simply means a NORMAL SPOKEN HUMAN LANGUAGE - but a language which the speaker himself does not know or understand. This has to be emphasised. We see this truth at work in Acts 2 when thousands of new Jewish Christians began to speak in "unknown" tongues at Pentecost; we see that these "tongues" were normal, human languages that many foreigners in the crowd could understand naturally: Acts 2:6 And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. Acts 2:7 They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? Acts 2:8 “And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? Acts 2:9 “Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Acts 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Acts 2:11 Cretans and Arabs - we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.” So you can see that "speaking in tongues" is NEVER a practice of uttering gibberish or chanting repetitive sounds, as we have heard done by Kenneth Hagin, T D Jakes, Paula White, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn. So much of what passes TODAY as "speaking in tongues" is clearly nothing more than babbling gibberish, and that is our first clue that the modern-day practice of speaking in "tongues" is rife with error and false displays, rather than being a true work of the Spirit. Some people even say they can teach you to speak in tongues -- you will see immediately that this is totally erroneous and UNbiblical. For further information please refer to: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GVSLc0cqlZM.html www.versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/is_speaking_in_tongues_biblical ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9d5lDeMJjx4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SqCMDRBissI.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aGCLc9KtfIE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jm2gznESYiE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rj9T1Kj1dbs.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0-Is6w4t8r0.html #
1 Corinthians 14:2 “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries
@@Max-kn9yi when have u had a fleshly spiritual church?That's not what he's talking about. He was setting order up in the church that each person may seek to edify one another .Read your bible bruah.
@@chrisgreer9029 well he wasn't talking about order yet.. He was talking i believe about the pagan version of tongues.which to them is spiritual. And he goes into instruments sounding distinct tones( a real language) vs an indistinct tone (pagan use of tongues). Jesus referenced how the pagans pray to God using incessantly repetitive words, to not pray like that. Pagans worship was exstatic, and they even talked about a special prayer language. I think Plato or someone wrote about it. John MaCarthur talked about this.
