What is truth? Sye Ten Bruggencate (Christian) and Bernie Dehler (atheist) discuss it 

I think this is the only good format for debate: direct dialogue.

Wow props for the atheist for being such a respectful gentleman during the whole debate.

"hello Sye nice to meet you" "now is it true that its nice to meet me?"

Sye put this guy in an intellectual pretzel

Once gain, sadly, a reasonable atheist falls into the Bruggencrap trap. Bruggencrap defines a deity into existence, then asks his opponent, for argument's sake, to accept his presupposition, and then assumes the rules he has defined are a factual reality and makes his opponent argue only within his own manic presuppositions.

Sye's argument is the exact argument that every person in a mental institution uses. Do you believe you are a fire engine?No, I know I am a fire engine.

All Sye Ten does is talk in circles!

If ignorance is bliss, Sye must be the happiest person on earth!

I love it how Sye looks at the camera when he makes a true point.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is... Never get involved in a land war in Asia. But only slightly less well known is this... Never let Sye make his case by demanding your opinion [when death is on the line]! Seriously, stop letting him shift the burden of proof. Demand that Sye make and defend his own case please.

Why does everyone who engages Sye play his game? Why? This man is unreasonable, there is no reasoning with him no matter what. He’ll _always_ resort to, “How do you know your reasoning is valid?” Someone shouldn’t even humor his first question. Ask him, “If your reasoning is valid because you know God exists, then prove God”. And he’ll immediately run and cower behind, “Sorry, I won’t debate scripture with atheists”, proclaim victory, and walk away. The problem is, people let Sye dictate the debate. They let him take control. Don’t even entertain him and put him right to the point: _Prove God._ And he’ll walk away because he simply asserts it and cannot support it.

When Bernie said he thinks this would be interesting because he will give a different answer than other atheist, the issue is the way Sye and Jeff work is they loop you into a specific question and get you to answer it a certain way, then they use the way you answered that once specific answer to go on for the next hour on a adult game of 'i know you are so what am i'

I'm going to award myself a Gold merit badge for sticking with the whole debate right to the bitter end.

Truth is a label that we assign to an analytic proposition in accordance with its corresponding axioms and a synthetic proposition in accordance with its corresponding evidences.

People can't handle the reasoning of Sye because it's true, so they just bash him instead.

The only notes Bernie took was, why did I invite Sye??? Absurdity without Jesus He is THE Truth!!!

Sye's very statement "I know that God exists" requires the use of his senses, his perception, and his logic, which, as he keeps telling us, are flawed. But I know he won't accept or justify this obvious statement, he'll just keep making the same baseless claim over and over again. Which is why I think debating with him is a pointless and frustrating waste of time.

If Bernie can't account for the concept of 2 from an atheistic worldview, he should have conceded he accepts the concept by blind faith.

Sye is incredible!

Sye's own argument destroys his own claim. He does nothing but talk in circles.

The problem with your debate and Ive only watched 5 minutes in is something very simple. It is something that destroys the debate with something like Sye. You allowed him to ask the first question. From this point you are locked into a never ending battle with giving answers to someone who decides your answer isnt good enough so that you cant move on. It really is that simple and dumb. I wont even watch the rest because it's already over. You might say that is a dishonest way of debating.....you'd be right.

WOW ! Just found this "world". It's so cool to see first hand how screwed up we can get. This stuff is informative as well as entertaining. LOVE Bernies' "deer in the head lights" reactions to Syechos irrationality. Priceless !

Glad he shared the gospel with him before he passed away

God damn, Bernie Dehler is a hero. I can't believe he went through this whole diatribe with Sye and didn't get angry. Give this man some congrats.

Sye relies heavily on the fact that it’s almost impossible to prove a truth claim. He uses this fact as his primary offense to great effect. He uses it especially when challenged by a question he can’t or doesn’t want to answer and it works like a charm. All he has to do is say, “How do you know that?” or “Is that a truth claim?” and his opponent is all too often, willing to try to go back to explaining how he can demonstrate he has the ability to know things. This is exactly what Sye wants because nobody, not even Sye, can demonstrate that he knows things for certain. Sometimes Sye’s opponent finally gets around to asking how he can make knowledge claims and of course Sye will say because God revealed it to him. If further pressed, Sye will eventually claim that Scripture confirms God’s revelation to him. If Syes opponent challenges the fidelity of the bible by pointing out errors and contradictions, Sye says he will not “do bible studies with athiests”. There you have it folks, Syes version of presup in a nutshell.

Sye uses the SAME analogy's in every debate. The SAME shit, every time. He is careful to not let the atheist answer the question, talk,talk,talk,talk, He knows that he can not back up this lie.

Sye is arguing like a machine gun. He doesn't give Bernie time to answer any question. He just keeps firing question after question at him. He keeps interrupting him, so that he can't finish what he is saying and doesn't have time to think. Although Sye isn't winning through making better points, he is dominating and steering the discussion.

SYE’S POLYGRAPH I know some people find Sye Ten Bruggencate a little too harsh and blunt. But they don’t know the real Sye. Tender and smiling, always something nice to say, always a little gift for you, whatever the occasion. No wonder I was so happy to see him just the other day. He spotted us from the other side of a crowded street. I tried to hide behind my wife, as you do, but it was too late. “Is this your family?” He always asked me about them. “Yes” I said “What’s that?” “Looking a gift horse in the mouth again?” He asked me to take my glasses off “It’s a polygraph” “Thanks” He knew I had to stop cheating on myself. Sometimes he simply redefines friendship. “It’s yours” He attached the electrodes to my eyeballs “Let me show you how it works” I was amazed by his generosity. “Good” He said “You’ll be pleased to know that A-You know God exists and B-You love him. “Great” I said” Are we done?” “Not so fast” He pulled the electrodes out of my eyes “Is this your wife?” “Yes” “Very nice. Now ask her to take her top off. And bra” He attached the electrodes to her nipples and said: “Nod bad at all: A-She knows God exists and B-She loves him. She doesn’t love you, by the way” A crowd of people gathered around us and they were taking bets. I thought we were done but then he said: “Is this your baby?” “It could be mine, but it’s probably yours” “Tell him to take his nappy off” He attached the electrodes to the baby’s testicles and said: “THAT’s my boy: A-He knows God exists and B-He loves him. By the way, he doesn’t know who you are, and don’t expect him to love someone he doesn’t know” I looked at my wife and she smiled. Sye continued: “He knows and loves ME, but that’s beside the point” I was rather disappointed but I was happy because I thought we were done. “Not so fast” He said ”Take your trousers off” He grabbed hold of my dick “Now think of God” I never came so fast in my life. He didn’t see it coming. “Let’s try this again” Later, by the time of my second coming (Most people on the street weren’t born when I had my first coming) he managed to catch my sperm and attached one electrode to its tail. “What’s wrong?” I asked. His face turned white. He was generous enough to give me his polygraph, and he didn’t ask for his baby back. The least I could do was to see he was alright. “I am OK” He said “It’s your sperm I’m worried about” “Give it to me straight” I said bravely. “Right” He said “Pull your trousers up. You better sit down for this: A- The good news is: Your sperm knows God exists. B- The bad news is: He doesn’t love him yet” We were nearly done. My wife walked by with her new husband and grandchild. She smiled. “Are you sitting down?” He said “Good. I’m taking your sperm away from you. I know you feel it’s unfair, but we really need to put our sperms first”

Sye is always going to say "how do you know that" "Brain in a vat" its the absolute get out of jail card, he doesn't have to deal with anything. He then inserts a god based on nothing but his own claims which are somehow immune to his own avoidance. tactics. Its a complete waste of time, presuppositionalism is the last hold out for believers who have no evidence and know it.

Debating with Sye is worthless. He talks in circles and refuses to apply his reasoning equally to his own beliefs. Oh, and notice how he immediately starts to talk over Bernie and dominating the conversation after agreeing not to. Apparently talking more and louder makes for a strong argument. I confess I could only watch half of this as his inanity was mind numbing.

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For those who don't understand what Sye is doing. He is bypassing the evidential and going straight for truth in itself. In short, if you can't realise yourself that you are a created being in a created world with other created entities, then there is very little chance through a single conversation in getting you to love God. Imagine you know that the cake on a table was baked by someone really great and interesting, by someone who everyone should meet because they're so wonderful. You tell a passer-by you should meet the person who made this cake because they're so great to be around. If this person didn't believe the cake was even baked in the first place, would you start convincing them that someone made the cake before introducing them to the Baker? The tactics would therefore need to change if the person doesn't even believe in the baker let alone his attributes. Sye doesn't want to argue that DNA is complex and therefore created. If you can't see that yourself, there's something desperately wrong. He wants people to come to God by pointing out truth. Truth needs an ultimate standard. The ultimate standard must be God. Without God there is no truth.

Sye Ten Bruggencate (Christian apologist) actually asks how brain chemistry is different than pop fizzing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oP-Ia3bpe8Q.html

GOOD! God wins, {again}.

Was this a discussion or was it a book promo?

Could someone explain to me how using your senses to confirm your reality is a vicious circle? I can see it as being circular, but not a vicious circle (where a vicious circle is defined as being a circle that creates a downward spiral (ex. drought conditions). Wouldn't receiving outside confirmation of your senses break that circle?

When Sye asked can an all knowing all powerful god make me know things such that I know for certain. I would say according to the Christian worldview of how god is defined, NO. According to the Christian worldview, god cannot interfere with free will. So unless god can overwrite free will and force the certainty onto you, then you have every reason to doubt your certainty thus the christian god cannot make you know for certain.

thank you sye for the Blark factory idea. science creates useful stuff. christianity created blark. of course blark is pure, but if i had to choose between anything useful or the blark, i'm afraid i'll let you keep the blark.

This is why athiests hate epistemological studies, lmao, never gets old. Some famous athiests even say philosophy is irrelevent, what a self defeating statement. - Richard Dawkins, Steven Hawking

That reporter analogy is logical. People often do that kind of weird stuff. You ask "Why did you do that?" and the answer is "Because I did that." OK, I know, that you did that, as well as you do, we both know you did that. But the question was "WHY?". Funny "reasoning"...

Amazing work Sye!

I would rather eat a 2 week old Jr. Bacon from Wendy's that's been sitting just outside the drive through than listen to Sye speak.

SYE’S BLARK FACTORY Some of you may not know it, but Sye Ten Bruggencate owns a blark factory. To those of you who don’t know what a blark is - that’s OK. I didn’t know what blark was until I lost my job. To those of you who never lost a job, this is not a nice experience, although some would say that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. I don’t want to get into too much detail, but my work entailed the making of things. My job was to take things and put them together. As a result a new thing was created, which was useful. As it was useful, customers bought it. When I say they bought it I mean they gave us (my employer) pieces of paper for it. We took the pieces of paper and used it to buy things, as well as Research and Development. You see, other companies saw what we were doing, and to continue getting paid (We were sort of addicted to that magic paper) we had to IMPROVE the things we were making. Somehow between the day I was hired and the day I was fired my company has grown about a 1000 times. The town which was built around it has grown 10,000 times. Life expectancy has gone up 50 years. And the church, which was the only building in town before the company came, lost its members. But enough about those days of shallow existence. We live in the here and now. I was about to finish the coffee and go back to the blark assembly line when Sye Ten Bruggencate, the factory owner and inventor of the blark, spotted me. There was nowhere to hide. “How do you like your new job?” “It’s OK” I said. Beggars can’t be choosers. “How many blarks did you make today?” It was an impressive number and he was pleased. “Is the supervisor treating you well? If he doesn’t, I can replace him for you. Or WITH you” “No, he’s a good man. Firm, but fair” “Good” He said “I’ve been watching your progress, and I’m very impressed. Now, is there anything I can help you with? A question you might have but are afraid to ask?” That was a good question on his part. A fellow line worker DID ask a question and I haven’t seen him since. I said I didn’t have any questions. “Good” He said “Keep up the good work. “ My former employer didn’t like it when one of the things I made found its way to my pocket. I didn’t remember putting anything in my pocket, but there it was. I learned my lesson. There were no blarks in my pockets. “You see” He said ”Unlike the stuff you were making in your previous place of work, the blark is a unique product. If I may say so myself” I didn’t want to ask what was unique about it for obvious reasons, but luckily - or by design - he had an answer: “It is a product that can serve any purpose you assign to it. If you need a doorstep it can be a doorstep. If you need a particle accelerator, it can smash protons for you” I was thinking back to my old place of work. I remembered Sye Ten Bruggencate, vaguely, sniffing around our R&D department. Obviously, in capitalism - or competition - all is fair. “I was watching you in your old place of work” He said “I knew I had to put them out of business” I didn’t ask him how he did it, but all the employees who were let go that day had things in their pockets. There were no things left to sell. “I was determined to - OK, GOD was determined to get YOU” He said. I felt very flattered. I looked outside the tiny cafeteria window. There were beggars in the street, and every few minutes I could hear another building collapse. I couldn’t see or hear the whole town, but I induced that other buildings were collapsing as we spoke. I didn’t have a proof, though. Sye then stood up and was about to go. I still didn’t want to ask a question (See 25 lines above) so he did it for me: “I bet you ask yourself where all the blarks we make end up, right?" I wasn’t sure if answering a question like that (i.e., ‘Yes, I have a question’) was safe. “They end up in the church” He said “Although there’s a big pile of them in the churchyard. If ever you need a blark, just go and help yourself. We can even deliver it home for you. Better still, when you go home to your house - I believe it’s still standing and please don’t question my knowledge - don’t be surprised if one of our sales team will be waiting for you” “And don’t worry about your house” I WAS, actually” “It’s got too many blarks in it to collapse”

believing in reality takes faith in something, even it that thing is nothing. The choice of what you believe in will define your perception of reality and the eternity of your soul.

Sye never answers any questions. He never discusses the reasons why he holds the opinions he has. Nothing he says makes any sense, but because it's superficially confusing, he thinks it's triumphalist logic. He says everyone borrows from the Christian worldview without *ever* explaining the basis for that worldview. In fact, in some debates, he specifically tells everyone in advance that he will never explain the basis unless you already admit that he's right about everything (i.e. you're a fundamentalist Christian). Sye's argument makes about as much sense as telling someone they can't trust any information because they've gone insane. "I don't remember going insane." Of course not! You're insane. It's total bullshit all day long.

Sye doing what Sye does - talk fast, talk loud and talk over the others. How do you know, how do you know, how do you know....word games, none of which mean the bible is the true word of god.

Sye should explain how he doesn't use his senses and experience of reality to know that his knowledge from god is valid. "According to my belief of the world, I have certain knowledge. Therefor, I have certain knowledge."

Bernie just answered in a circle lol that was amusing

Only a few minutes in and I can easily tell he did not prepare very well for debating/discussing with Sye. Sye presents a very dumbed down version of the presup argument but by asking some of the questions he does, you must seriously prepare and know your shit in order to point out the fundamental flaws in his thinking.

he's assuming the uniformity of nature, no escape for the atheist in his worldview. Romans 1:18-32, it's only in the Christian world that can make appeal to science, ethics, laws of logic, and the uniformity of nature. we have a basis for absolute certainty.

I can tell that Sye did an excellent job due to all the angry atheist comments! Presuppositionalism is an achilles heal of atheism or an atheistic worldview. And as a believer, I'm emboldened by the argument! Love it!

An entirely internally consistent world view is no great accomplishment. An entirely internally consistent world view can also be entirely wrong. I would like to see an eloquent refutation of Sye’s argument. To me, part of the key is that “I have no interest in any world view which is inconsistent with my sensory perception. I am only interested in the reality I perceive. It is my pre-supposition that my senses align to reality. I accept I could be wrong, but I do not care. Within this world view, I hold the logical absolutes of identity, non-contradiction and excluded middle to be self-certain. They are self evident, and known to be absolute with absolute certainty”.

20:40 Sye shoots himself in the foot. "Truth based on belief is nonsense."

That's funny! We are all brains in vats. The vat just happens to be a series of bones we call our skull.

Without God, there could be no science.

Best example of presuppositionalism ever!

Sye MUST use his reasoning to interpret what god is saying to him. How does he know his interpretation of what god is saying is valid? How does he have a higher claim to truth if he must also use his reasoning to justify his reasoning BUT now includes a middle man (god)?

" true according to your beliefs is a nonsensical statement" " I believe it is true because it is the word of God" You see what I did there? I used his own words to make him out of hypocrite. This guy does nothing but play word games. And he just got caught in one of his own. SayTan it's pathetic. Anyone who listens to anything he has to say regarding the truth of religion is only looking for more brainwashing materials.

its simple, the athiest desires to approach God in a way that makes sense to them, rather than the only path God has provided.

Ok, now I admit it, now I am finally going to admit that the process of natural selection must be incorrect. Why do I admit this? Because if the process of natural selection were actually correct, Sye should not exist. Furthermore, it is meaningless to attempt to have a conversation with an individual that repeatedly tells everyone else what they mean and think.

Lmao Bernie "This book teaches critical thinking" When asked a tough question "Well the book says" Is it just me or does it defeat the purpose if you have to refer to the book that claims to teach critical thinking?

I wonder what would happen if Sye Ten Bruggencate were to debate Sye Ten Bruggencate.

People need to find out what the occult is and how it works

Sye does make interesting arguments. However, he also constantly changes the subject of the conversation. He can always (and often does) say, "but how do you know that?" at any time during a conversation, which makes the conversation lose focus and doesn't help to make progress or find any common ground with the other member of the conversation. I also feel as though he uses "but you could be wrong about everything you claim to know" as a defense mechanism whenever he feels as though his world view is threatened. I agree with Sye that the problem of the brain in a vat is a troubling one - but God is not a satisfying answer. Christianity has obvious and glaring contradictions, as well as stories which are hardly believable, so Christianity isn't helpful when trying to solve difficult philosophical problems.

Would have loved to see Christopher Hitchens talk to this guy... Sye would have run away crying....

I really like your patience Bernie. And Sye was really way less annoying than I have ever found him in the past. But I put this Pre-sup argument to rest (to my own satisfaction) a long time ago. And here is my amateur philosopher's take on the entire thing: I think sometimes philosopher's like to "borrow trouble". Which is just a common plain spoken way to say, often they do not seem to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Simply put: Sye has a claim that he is not in a vat/matrix; however, you are! Both are appealing to a puppet master casting shadows on a cave wall. In Bernie's case the arbiter of shadows is 500 years of scientists and their methodology, as well as modern peers. And in Sye's case, it's an appeal to an unseen diety. I'm inclined to employ the razor myself and concur with Bernie. Bad philosophy is not really an argument. Everyone must use at least this first principle. Cogito ergo sum.

The discussion in this video is proof that no matter how intelligent, articulate, educated, sophisticated, and smart a person is, if he/she denies the existence of GOD, then according to the Bible they are... Well........ still a FOOL! My recommendation is repent and trust Jesus Christ for your salvation before it is too late. We are all going to die, and HE is your only hope when your hour draws near and you are about to take your final breath here on earth, before you enter eternity to be judged and sentenced to eternal damnation in a place called Hell. The alternative is repent and trust Jesus for the salvation of your soul, and you will enter eternal life in heaven where there will be unending bliss. If you do that, then you will no longer be called a fool, and you will enjoy eternity forever.

Bernie Dehler seems to be taken by surprise by Syes word games with brains in vats, etc. Haven't Bernie done any research on Sye before this discussion? Sye always play those word games.

"where is two-ness" 😂 It's a concept sye!!!! there is no 'where'!! Gosh. Basic basic understanding being lost here.

lol brilliant, the Adam/induction point was totally valid... see what happens when Sye's opponent goes off the script: lost little lamb. "God set up the universe so that induction works, that's how I know it always works." "Wouldn't work if Adam looked like an adult on the day he was created." "Errrm yes it would, how do you know that, is that true, let me ask you about something else..." What a complete yoghurt.

I have only just come across Sye Ten Bruggencate and by all intents he comes across as a real BULLY and definitely not someone I could take seriously or respect. I note many videos containing his content are (comments disabled)....that makes sense

The guy on the left has ZERO understanding of philosophy and logic.

Sye you were too quick for this guy...time need to digest the information. He was a good sport for having the discussion though. Pray that Bernie's mind is opened and that God changes his heart.

At 6:00 I would interject that, THAT is what Peer review is for. If I said I wrote a great new paper on some new scientific theory....and it was full of total failed perceptions and errors in observations, then a body of my peers would check it. I would then know how real my misconceptions were.

Doesn't sye realize any time he refers to his "debate"(if you can call it that) with Matt dillahunty he makes a complete jackass of himself? Go watch that debate if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Sye is a one trick pony. If he's claiming you could be a brain in a vat, then how does he know for certain *he's* not a brain in a vat? Particularly if he's using the bible as his proof.. A book that riddled with errors and contradictions.

Sye practices his "god of the gaps" arguments while denying it.

Induction is not an axiom. It's a method to move us from ignorance to truth. And it's a testable method. As soon as induction no longer allows us to predict the future, then it no longer works and must be rejected. But as long as it works, we are rational in following induction, and irrational in rejecting induction. The "problem" of induction is merely semantic. What would it mean for the method of following what works to no longer work? That is merely a linguistic paradox, but does not destroy the power of induction.

All these questions are answered at the SyeTenAtheist channel. Brilliant and Funny. All will be explained...

Sye owned this guy.

"I have no problem with that definition... but here's the problem "

does sye ten really exists amongst us?

There is no reason to think we live in a Matrix

I think a lot of people do themselves a disservice by thinking in terms of "perfect": and "imperfect" or "fallible". There's nothing that people "should be" like against which to measure what they actually are like.

This poor atheist just cannot grasp that objective absolute truth transcends whatever his belief is , and does not depend on his belief. Truth is truth regardless of what anyone believes. If and when he grasps that concept, he'll stop suppressing the truth and his whole View that the world started through mindless and guideless processes will be shattered. I pray that he does

Why would anyone invite Sye to a debate?

SYE’S FOOTBALL TEAM You may not be aware of that, but Sye Ten Bruggencate is the manager of the football team. That’s OK, I didn’t know that either, until my team - Atheists Divided - was scheduled to play Gods United, the champions. Now, I don’t know about you, but I can’t live without football. The only time I’m alive during the week is the 90 minutes plus injury time of a football game. I know, sometimes it’s more like 60, what with the ambiguity of the Offside Rule and the odd fight, but hey - you can’t have it all. The most important thing is: You know you are alive. There’s nothing like giving it all - eleven V eleven, on a green and level playing field. With those assumptions intact I gave Sye a little gift and held my hand out, ready for a shake. “You’ve already lost the game” Said Sye and didn’t shake my hand “And the referee is appointed by me” I noticed he was two feet taller than me, but I didn’t mind, I just wanted to play. “And we’re playing downhill” I didn’t mind, presumably we’ll switch sides at half time. “And after half time you’re playing uphill” I agreed. I didn’t see why his team members were all giggling. They were all fat and ugly. “You know the rules, I presume?” Football is simple and beautiful. Everybody knows its rules. “Football is a simple game” I said “That’s what makes it so popular. Unlike Physics” “Don’t be so sure. Can you score a goal with your hand?” He said. I said it was against the rules. I was beginning to have doubts, though. “Who’s rules? If God scores a goal with his hand it’s a goal. And don’t argue. It’s boring when you do that” I knew better than to ask what happens if my moderate Muslim team member scores a goal with his hand. He already had one arm missing “Can we play already? We’re dying here” “Dying is too good for you. How do you know when you are offside?” Good question. “God will tell us” A good question deserves a good answer ”Can we play now?” “How do you know the ball has crossed the line?” “We’ll take God’s word for it. Now, can we play?” “How do you know the colour of the card he shows you?” “I’ll assume it to be red. Can we play now?” “Not so fast. What if you think the referee is dead against you?” “I’ll just have to assume I sinned last week. Please, I NEED to play. It’s a matter of life and death for me” I imagined myself dead in a scoring position, frozen. Forever. It was hell. “Not so fast. When you’re dead it’s probably for a long time. We need to get it right. How do you know the ball is not flat? You see, if you are a fly standing on it you might conclude-“ “The ball IS flat!” I was seeing my life in playback, down to the first time my dad gave me a football for birthday. It was so flat, there was a cake on it “Can we PLEASE play football?” There was a pause. He looked at his watch. It was injury time. “I’m sorry” He said “I think you’re a little confused here. What do you think we’ve been doing in the last 90 minutes plus injury time?” And that’s how Gods United won the League.

This is what I've heard the atheist say in a nutshell, "I know things to be true. I use that knowledge to create things. Therefore, created things I made proves what I know to be true." He is only validating the fact he has true knowledge, thats it. But he fails to account for that knowledge. This is why Sye's argument is so powerful. We cannot have absolute certainty without absolute knowledge, and since as finite human beings we don't know all things, only beginning with God does any absolute knowledge or certainty make sense.

The Bible does not state that God created Adam as an adult.

I would recommend the book "Critical thinking for a new age".. very good.

The Bible does not state that Adam was the first man.

I think Sye confuses inductive inference and empirical evidence. Grant you I don’t think those two are mutually exclusive, but they aren’t synonymous terms

In order for us to have the preconditions of intelligibility there must be laws of logic, absolute morality, uniformity in nature, etc. The only rational explanation for the existence of these is the biblical God. You would have to use these preconditions in order to argue against God, which destroys your argument. Your very existence and whether you agree or disagree proves and glorifies the biblical God. That doesn't mean that you'll love Him, want a relationship with Him, convert to His ways, etc., but you can't deny Him.

faith is what you are taught to believe there are many religions very questionable on what the truth is. you have to have faith to believe in any religion.

Truth is the revelation of a fact that can be trusted. Jesus is the Truth.

it's the third time I've seen that guy debating a guy that guy and He doesn't learn.

Truth is that which conforms to reality. There's no "as perceived by" part. Why did Sye add that part?

Sye is the best. All the purpose of this debate is to let A's know how confusing their viewpoint is. I mean you breath and say that I don't fully know that this is reality, then you know today's Athiests are not Honest they're just playing with words. They stand on the ground that does not exist.

_Can God make you certain of something?_ Sure. He could *make you* believe he is all-powerful and all-knowing, even if he's not. He could make you believe he was transcendent to time, even if he's not. He could make you believe that he's all-good, even if he's not. He could make you believe that your reasoning about God's existence is valid even if it's actually not.