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Idk I feel like noone would really know unless they worked there or was a prisoner or had evidency/documents to go by . maybe they didn't have enough to make a video on. I agree the title is miss leading.

Thanks, won’t waste my time.

AGREE!!!

Totally misleading

Yeah the title is misleading but the video I watched all the way through and was still interesting

One of my mother’s school friends was a Hindley victim. Even if she hadn’t been, couldn’t agree more with this comment ❤

Ellis was hung for fighting back against her abuser while hyndley murdered innocent children was allowed Togo on living. That's "justice"for you

Ruth Ellis murder was premeditated. Not some spur of the moment thought She was, a cold blooded killer. We sometimes look back with rose tinted glasses. But she does not deserve our sympathy.

​@@michaelharrison3602 although I don't think Ellis should have received the death penalty, the only reason Hayden wasnt put to death was because the Murder Act of 1965 had abolished the death penalty in the UK.

It doesnt sit well with me either. I read a book aboit Ruth Ellis and she was a victim of DV and she had a small child and she fought back and got hung for it. Myra Hindley was kne of the devil's representatives on earth who killed chidlren for kicks with her sick, evil bf and didnt swing its so wrong. Myra Hindley wasnt sorry. Sorry for herself maybe how could she look at little Keiths mother all those years, clutching his glasses begging to know where he is and that stone hearted thing didnt tell her. How could you do that to somebody? She was evil, pure evil.

I have seen a documentary about Swedish Prisons. Very different to most prisons in the world.

Tell us about the ethnicity of the inmates and success rates by ethnicity.

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 The rate of recidivism is MUCH lower in Sweden than in the US, and that's all that matters.

@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Decent question - very USA valid. But I s'pose it's valid around the world. But this guy really impressed me. Prison guards are usually not the most pleasant. This guy was really into his job.

@@jazzmin6665 again, by ethnicity.

Different than the abortion trade today? 😢

​​@@XassawYes VERY different.!! Today , women can DECIDE what to do WITH THEIR OWN BODIES, Whether or not that's an abortion. No woman does that without great thought, and distress. Still the choice is HERS, not people like yours!! They don't EVER deserve to have the uncalled for, unwarranted opinion of others , SUCH AS YOU inflicted upon them. Basically, mind your own business, about others' actions that have NOTHING to do with you. No woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, if that's not her choice. Women are NOT human incubators

Me too- horrendous place, dreadful " dark place

I was on level 3 when I went in (H1 then D1 for the first week or so). I didn't think it was too bad in there. It was okay. It was only after sentencing that I was moved up to the 4's. Two weeks later they shipped me out to Downview. And for my final year, I was moved to East Sutton Park near Maidstone. Retrospectively, I could say I loved it there. Lol. 😅

@@steenystuff1075 What did you go in for?

@@toastservant9542 Selling drugs to Met police. Lol.

@@toastservant9542 But at least my two years inside got me clean and thus my life back. I actually phoned the old bill and thanked, them for arresting me as I reckon I'd have died had they not done so. I was 6st 4lbs when the arrested me.

Crock of crap... they did the crimes with NO 2nd thoughts, so they can pay the penalty... 🙄🙄🙄

@@nunyadambusiness6902 That mentality proves my point.

@Robynhoodlum which mentality? The one where I have NO sympathy for a murderer or worse? Did they have any sympathy for their victims?!? It's 1 thing if it was a simple crime & they aren't a lifetime criminal. It's quite another to take someone with a rap sheet 7 pages long & give him a slap on the wrist & then turn him loose AGAIN, just cuz you're worried about his hurt wittle fweelings... Gimme a damn break... 🙄🤦‍♂️🙄... That's like saying "a criminal will respect a gun-free zone & commit no crimes there..." If he knows no one is going to shoot him in the face, do you think he'll be scared at all?... Or do you think he'll feel safe & get bold? How many times have you seen someone put back on the street & they turn right around & murder someone (or a whole family) AGAIN? Quit trying to save people who CLEARLY don't give 2 fks if they hurt or killed someone... It's called ACCOUNTABILITY, ffs... Has nothing to do with "my mentality" - it's common sense... 🙄🙄🙄

I used to teach at a State prison. I was very impressed with the efforts to educate those who wished it.

Have you tried the Parish records for the area your relative lived? Often lots of information in them

@@worldgonemad1977 my dad's done a lot of our family history and even tried to contact Holloway prison but they have no records

Sad, but true reality.

@@Uapa500 it could be what they prefer to be known as.

I love David.

It is in some aspects even worse. In the end itall about control and toning down people from having a mind of their own. Then with the sufragettes and today again with women who speak out.

I have just replaced the old one

Ditto

As far away as England could poke a stick. Unfortunately

In Victorian times was Tasmania still known as Van Demons land?

@@craftykez I hope that was intended to be a joke. Van Diemen's land was not supposed to be full of ghosts, goblins and demons. Even though at Port Arthur there are a few ghosts today.

@@craftykez I mean kind of? It was renamed in that era, but Australia itself didn't actually technically exist until 1901, and before Van Diemen's Land was renamed in 1856, it was actually part of NSW. I was mostly just joking about how we're either completely forgotten on maps or treated as a separate entity though.

In 1856 to 1901 it was a British colony. It wasn't until Jan 1 1901 that it became the Australian state of Tasmania.

😂

It said daily population. Maybe meant like: A year ago every day 100 people came, now every day 300 leave. So that the total population is declining?

I THINK they mean the decline is 4 times what it was before.

Well if you think about the use of mentioning both locations in a historical context, prisoners were sent to 2 different places in the "penal colony". Notable convict colonies in Australia were: New South Wales (1788-1840) and Van Diemen's Land (later Tasmania, 1803-1853). It's important to understand the context.

Aussies think so, too ;)

It seems like a lot of foreigners don't realise Tasmania is a state of Australia.

From 1856 to 1901 it was a British colony. It wasn't until Jan 1 1901 that is became the Australian state of Tasmania.

@@ursulacomardi6787 all States were British Colonies until 1901 not just Tassie

Yeah coz women are such angels

@@johnlaslett5339 Maybe not angels, but certainly should be equal members of society to men. Wouldn't you agree?

@@theparanoidandroid3583 of course. Men are no worse or better. Liars cheats sex offenders etc come from both genders. I just get so annoyed when I see posts on social media directing that stuff towards men. My abuser was female. I think it's sad and pathetic that we live in a world where a man hits his gf/wife, he's a monster but when a woman hits her fella, it's acceptable. It's wrong on both sides. I am all for diversity and I'm very anti bigotry but these toxic feminists that demonise men disgust me. I got called a (can't spell it) masoginist because I offered my seat on the bus to a woman.

@@theparanoidandroid3583 I'm sorry for any upset I may have caused

@@johnlaslett5339 Don't worry, I understand where you're coming from. I certainly hear enough of it from my brother! I am sorry to hear about your experience and I agree that everyone should be listened to and treated equally. Some modern feminists are misguided in my view because they can come across as unwilling to listen if you don't agree in every particular. I reacted to your comment because the OP was talking about the suffragettes, who were fighting for fundamental civil rights, rather than the very different debates being had today by feminists (and indeed most of society). I hope you have supportive people around you today.

On the scale of things, most cases of depression are mild to moderate. The person can usually function as a member of society, albeit with maybe some deviance. Compared with other disorders where the grasp of reality is severely altered, potentially where it creates danger, and lucidity not always easy to come by. Major depressive disorder is less common

@@MsJubjubbird I agree, if not for quite the same reasons. Depression is treatable and curable. Many other mental health disorders are not curable, others not treatable, some neither but also, on a scale of preference, depression or psychopathy?

@@deja-view1017 depression can often manifest after left events. Teaching coping strategies and changing the situation as best you can, can assist. Hallucinations and such are different and they don't always know the cause

No issue. Two separate places describing pre 1901

Good morning, "Cleverfitz".

That's like saying. The USA. and Alaska.

Nope

it is when you talk about sending people at that time, pre 1901

It's referring more to the fact that poor women especially were expected socially and by law to be the sole providers for their children if born out of wedlock. Men often got away with abandoning their families as they were not held legally responsible most times

the only comment i make is...No Comment.🤪

That is a bit like saying " I fell out of a tree when I was a kid and did not break my arm, therefore any kid who falls out of a tree will not break their arm" Everyone's situations are different, as is how they handle/process what happens to them. No one is saying it is an excuse for what they do, but it is an explanation of why.

Well, they are two different islands.

Tasmania isn't a part of Australia.. its a piece of the moon that crash landed millions ago. 😂😂

it was back then.

NOSTROVIA ☦️😢

Crimes and morals are two different things. This is how dumb you sound…Don’t be Jewish in the 1940’s if you don’t want to do the time.

even if that were true it wouldn’t cause such an enormous difference.

are you serious

No.

Also if a man would have manipulated a much younger woman in that way, nobody would have had any sympathy for him if it ended in his wife being murdered. I hate the bias woman are the most manipulative sex hands down and I’m a woman myself. So I have seen it first hand

However they did volunteer for many roles in the wars ( factories, intelligence, aircraft, naval operations etc etc.) which also included sitting next to a brutally battered young soldier dying, sitting with them as they took their last breath-they also were taking care of soldiers wounded in ways nobody had ever seen before because world wars were nothing like any other war because of the industrial revolution. These were the blooodiest wars anyone had ever seen. And they volunteered. Don’t come here acting like women fought for rights and were meak and happy to then skip home to their kitchen. Ya ninny. Pick up a history book.

@@meecymousymice i love that somehow the sufragette was the victim in the scenario were the soldier took his last breath. But you know women are the primary victims of was. Pick up a rifle.

Additionally if women all hit the trenches with the men-let’s think for a moment. Every man of age between what 17 and 45 was in the war? Give it take. So let’s say women were even ever allowed to fight. Who would run all those factories? take care of the kids? Take care of the wounded? Keep the country which is at war running so the men had a country to come home too? What would happen if every woman and man from 17 to 45 was gone and killed by the millions? Meanwhile the enemy forces are storming the streets killing all the children and elderly. Cities captured in no time. Sounds like a good strategy, bro Also look up women in wars globally. Ok I’m done.

@@meecymousymice you were done from the word go. You just made urself a laughing stock. Cope more Marie.

Men wouldn’t be able to go to war if women didn’t stay home and do everything men once did. So all those jobs women couldn’t do before they were now being asked to do. If everyone picked up a rifle then who would be in the country? Don’t think too hard and hurt yourself sweetheart.

That threw me, like wtf Men in society are seen higher and stronger then women Don’t forget that other countries had doors for whites and coloured where here we had doors saying men and then one for women, women where the worst of society if she was pregnant before marriage Even in the 60’s women had to have a letter from their husbands with permission to even open a post office account Not justifying anything, women where classed lower then men back then

Yes, most people had a rough life back then, no doubt. However, the fact that women are physically much weaker than men AND cursed with the ability to become pregnant, put them in a much worse spot than men.

Yes that's true but unfortunately women in those times who became impregnated with a bastard child were outcast by society.

It's more referring to the victorian law that men were not financially or socially responsible for fathering an illegitimate child. The mother was often abandoned or left to raise the child alone and this was acceptable

If you don’t understand the implications then I am genuinely terrified for the state of the world, still, and genuinely concerned for your ability to comprehend. Unless you’re pissed off and actively trying to gaslight, which would actually be better and would let us know that at least you understand it, the only other option is too chilling. Please please say you are actively trying to gaslight it is absolutely the better option.

Found the incel

Idk what you expected to hear about in a documentary about female offenders buddy

I can tell you find spelling hard from your comment but if you even can did you read the title?

Yes, becouse after it's born, we talk about human. Before - about fetus

@@nielubieinceli lol . What helps you sleep at night.

it’s murder to kill a baby. abortion doesn’t involve killing a baby, it’s a few cells that can’t even feel anything. that’s COMPLETELY different than a baby.