@@Lucas_boilon Jordan best season 37 ppg , 7 apg 8 rpg. Baylor best year almost 40 ppg 18 rpg and 7 apg. Even Doctor J. ABA numbers (for those who dont know ABA was better than NBA) he was 32 ppg, 11 rpg and around 6 apg. Bird stats are also better than Jordan. Yes he didnt had 37 ppg but his 28 ppg came on 50-40-90 far less ball usage and attempts, while he average same steal numbers but far better APG and RPG. He also generate more PPG than MJ any season exclude injured years late 80's early 90's.
MJ isn’t the goat so no. But bill Russell is greater than Michael jordan. He’s a far better defender, far better rebounder, and close in Playmaking ability, better IQ on both ends but is far lesser of a bulk scorer and a lesser field goal scorer The extent of things bill Russell is better at than jordan is considerably greater than the extent of things jordan is better at than bill Russell Wilt is the clear cut goat
@@user-if6xb5uh7z That's a very reasonable starting 5. Mine would be the same except Magic at point classic or Steph Curry if playing by today's disgraceful "rain of 3s" rules. ...But if I couldn't have Wilt and Russell, I'd definitely want Oscar for the extra rebounding.
You so dumb bro. Phil Jackson didn't won all of the rings playing basket ball bro. Coach it's a big part for me team. But the players it's the the key 🔑
13 seasons 11 rings, never lost a game 7. BTW one of the years he lost 1958, he wan injured and didn't play IIRC. Greatest TEAM player in the history of American Sports.
8 teams ? Stop the nonsense it was Boston and la for 10 years .. there was basically no one else that could contend in that era .. give respect yes but dude great but a better basketball player then Jordan hell no
I calculated it if they would’ve existed this is what his career would’ve looked like 11 Championships: 1957, 1959-66, 1968-69 8 DPOYs: 1958-59, 1962-66, 1969 6 FMVPs: 1960-64, 1966 5 MVPs: 1958, 1961-63, 1965 All-Star Game MVP: 1963
@@Gucci23430 The Talent was MORE concentrated. So no soft nights against inferior talent. You are likely too young to have ever seen Wilt of Nate Thurmond of Russell, so I will give you a pass on your ignorance. Russell could have qualified for the Olympic Track Trials on the 400M and the high Jump an extraordinary athlete.
Bill Russell was better than most players who came after him. But he also played for that era’s top super team. Best front office coaching facilities best fan base best everything It was always Celtics & Lakers because they were the best organizations who would get the best players Basketball is a team game. These individual comparisons by people who never saw that era play may be as pointless as they are popular. But hey, enjoy & props to the channels who provide today’s fans with a look back in time.
This is NOT tennis CRITON...FYI, basketball championships are a team effort...not an individual player's responsibility...get a clue before you criticize someone's mental state Please...
@@nonamewillbegiven7228Russell had 11 & 8 in a row. Sam Jones had 10 & John Havlicek had 8. '67 sixers & '72 Lakers are 2 of the greatest teams ever & would smoke the bulls.BTW/ jordan v Bird in playoffs was Celtics 6-0. now who is the moron????🤪🤪🤪🤪
2x NCAA champion Olympic Gold medalist 11x NBA champion out 13 seasons 5x MVP 12x all-star Bill is the basketball GoAT. Personal stats are overrated. Is Westbrook a better PG than Magic because he had more triple-doubles? No, you play to win the game and that's the only stat that matters. SFU never won a NCAA without Bill; the Celtics never won before Bill and didn't win again until 5 years after Bill retired. 11/13 is rediculous especially considering one of the Celtics loss is due to Bill's injury. Then combine with the fact he won twice as player-coach, yea he's the GoAT of basketball.
@@nonamewillbegiven7228 Jordan tarnished his legacy by playing for the Wizards instead of retiring with his 6th ring. His GM years for the Bobcats/Hornets was also questionable.
it wouldve been when wilt argued with him about whos the greatest player of al time... after that all star break jordan never publicly referred to himself as the best player in league or all time 😂😂😂
I don't think there is a clear GOAT in the NBA or basketball history, but if there is a one, nobody else has that strong of a case like Bill Russell. He's the easiest and most logical choice for that claim and it shouldn't be controversial at all.
Foo's cant encapsulate his greatness since stats, numbers and accolades werent around to pad his resume. They'd understand if they could see him avg a triple double with pts blks and rebs. See his 5+ dpoty and his likely 7fmvps. Some basketball fans claim to loge the game but can't comprehend greatness unless its avg 30ppg.
That’s the only reason to play a game is to WIn. No one plays for second. He don’t distort the offense of defense. The man went 10-0 in game 7’s. The way he plays his team Wins. That’s a Mike Drop. No pun intended.
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927give Bill Russell today's sports medicine & training combined with new technology and he fixes that easily. He didn't need to shoot that well in that era to win. With the right coaching and training staff shooting is an easy fix
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927Bill Russel a 5xmvp and 11xnba champion. It funny when it comes to ppl that WON MORE THAN MJ. Rings dont matter but when it a lbj vs mj rings matter. They stupidity and hypocrite nonsense is real. LARRY BIRD DOMINATE MJ. So i dont want to hear that white dude nonsesne.
Bill Russell would very much be like a Tim Duncan, on a stacked Spurs team, but time travelled to when there were only 8 teams in the league. Then you'd realise why it made perfect sense they won 11 out of 13 years. But take any winning year of Jordan with the best team of Bill Russell, I'll have ALL my money on Jordan.
Bill Russell had a good point. Paxton wouldn’t have been there. So the league was less watered down because there were significantly less teams to spread talent across the league. His spot would not be there and he would be reduced to a spectator. However, at the same time Bill your team of Hall of Famers would not be on your same team in a modern league with Free Agency. You benefited in an era where you could keep your championship team together with no competitive salaries to lure players away. Most of those 11 Championships would not be in your trophy as well. Maybe a few. Keep it all the way real not just half way. Now if someone one all those championships on the same team in the modern era they would definitely be the goat, but that would be damn near impossible in modern times. Context is key ppl.
BILL RUSSEL MADE THEM HALL OF FAMERS. CELTICS ONLY WON 34 GAMES WHEN HE RETIRED. BILL RUSSEL WAS THAT GOOD THEY WASN'T THE MOST DOMINATE OFFENSE EITHER.
@@coreythomas3633 Probably true for perhaps HALF of the HOF players of the Celtics of his era - but keep in mind that most of those had RETIRED by the time Bill did. It IS amazing how low ranked their offense was during most of his era - sometimes LAST in the NBA, while their defense was usually #1.
After all you can't compare different eras. Bill did win in a time where he had to stand in the back of the bus as a black man. People nowadays don't get what this giant of a man had to endure. For me top 5 all time. And for sure there are better players nowadays skillwise.. they better be with all the millions and nutrition etc.
Both guys were pathalogically competitive, and were the best in their era at the defensive end. If they were on the same team both in their prime, that team would prob never lose a game.
During his prime years MJ was better than Pippen and Rodman. Pippen became a great defender with his main attribute being his length, but he never had MJ's tenacity, foot speed or cat like quickness. Rodman was a great on ball defender and was physically very strong and athletic, but so was MJ. MJ could D up the other teams PG, and would routinely block the center's shot. Rodman only had to worry about defense and rebounding, MJ did it while being the best offensive player at the same time, he almost wasn't human. @@finerbiner
@@user2176 Jordan was the gambler and he was very good at it. The only reason he was free to do that was because Rodman and Pippen could cover him being out of position. Also, look at the first championship. They lose the first game and are having trouble in the second. They put Pippen in Jordans place guarding Magic and the Bull smoke the Lakers from there on. Pippens full court pressure disrupted their entire flow on offense. Pippens 7'+ wingspan allowed him to guard bigger people than Jordan could. Rodman could guard all 5 positions and did. Shaq himself says Rodman guarded him better than anyone. Jordan could have never guarded Shaq Of course opinions and a$$... But, I was live at a lot of games in those first two championship years so that is my reference.
Pippen did a great job on an old beat up end of his career Magic, They put Pippen on Magic to free MJ up so he could roam free on defence and save energy for the offensive end. Old slow Magic was the perfect guy for Pippen to guard, cause he always struggled against quick explosive players, Dominique used to own Pippen until he got old and lost a step after his achilies injury. MJ would play better D on Wilkins, and that's a SF who Pippen should be able to guard. As for Rodman, ya he could guard bigger guys cause he had uncanny strength for his size, But MJ could guard ultra quick point guards who should have been quicker than him, but they weren't, and he had the length and strength advantage over them and most other 2 guards. Rodman also used a lot of dirty tactics, he broke the rules and took many liberties outside of just playing straight up D. MJ could just straight up D you up, without being dirty, or looking for a strategic matchup were he had advantages, he wanted everyone to know he was better than them, at all times, he never let up, he was border line insane. @@finerbiner
@@user2176 Why couldn't Jordan guard "Old slow Magic" Pippen was every bit as quick as Jordan. You don't have a point if you have to make shit up. Have fun with that BS.
@@Blacklist324 🤣 My 1st leather basketball shoes were Dr.J's.🤣🤣 Ballers growing up wearing Chucks in elementary, w/ a 16" vertical is not the same as Bill Russelll who played an entire career in them & retired before Nike was invented. Pippen wasn't wearing Chucks on the court in HS. IJS Nike & Converse extended careers.
Jordan was the only player scoring in that fourth quarter. Until paxson hit that shot, but yeah sure. Say the same for kyrie, ray allen for lebron… can’t argue the eras
Something that a lot of people don't know is that the NBA playoff format back in Bill's day was shorter -- in most of their playoff runs, Boston only had to win 8 playoff games to become champions. That's part of why it's difficult to compare across eras. While it had to be that way because there were only 9 teams, we recognize a playoff tournament in Jordan's day where you had to win 15 playoffs games to be champion is relatively more grueling.
No, it was more grueling in Bill Russell's era. He had to navigate his way through angry hate mobs. He couldn't travel with the team, shower in the same facilities, eat at the same restaurants. Sometimes he couldn't even get a hotel room. He was called hateful names, treated like a dog and still won. MJ would have folded under those conditions.
@@mikekillagreen9432 The Chicago Bulls still had a heck of a road just to get out of the East -- just check out their 1997 postseason opponents as that's probably their most difficult run. That happened after 3 NBA expansions, and some of those 60+ win opponents were expansion teams like Miami and Orlando. League looked much more watered down in the 2000s in the Eastern conference where you had very few teams with 50+ wins and multiple teams under .500 getting playoff seeds.
@@standardofexcellence Before it changed in the late 60s, there were the division semifinals, division finals, and NBA finals. Division semis were treated like a play-in tournament, so because of their regular season record the Boston Celtics only had to play the division finals and NBA finals. Division semis early on were a best 2-of-3 series then became a best 3-of-5. Division finals and NBA finals were 7-game series just like we know today. Source: basketball reference
Jordan would have spent alot of time in a body cast if he played in Bill’s and Wilt’s era. No Jordan rules back then. Traveling, palming, walking, and legitimate foul calls. You know, real basketball.
All respect for Bill Russell Winning a championship in the Jordan era was much harder and the players are athletic in a way that was not present in Russels time
Do basically that means it’s harder for lebron so bron should be considers better then mj off your logic and I agree so bron is the best im just goin off your logic because guys now are more skilled and athletic then Jordan’s time
Keep in mind guys today are nowhere near as physically imposing and BIG and TALL as Bill Russel & His main opponent Wilt Chamberlain ...I think you forgot that! You can be as athletic as is possible but it is not possible to block shots better than these guys!!
@@finerbiner Yes, but his jumping ability mixed with his deep defensive knowledge of the game helped him become the game's greatest winner..Players then & today obviously dont play D like russell even if taller..and he stopped 7+ Footer Wilt Chamberlain..in my view the most accomplished BIG in NBA history..but again, not the Winner Russell was..No one is.
@@peterlatourette3547 You can't keep changing your point and be credible. Russell was a great winner and I would never say otherwise, but the players were not bigger and stronger as you stated. Wilt was a great athlete but a selfish player who never even tried to make the team great like Russell did. As far as defense goes, the Jordan era was probably the toughest. Getting through the playoffs was also not nearly as grueling in Russels era as it has become. You have to look at the entirety of the situation all these generational players dealt with.
Definitely would not be getting 4 in a row, Houston in the mid 90s, 94&95 they would have been able to beat Chicago in a 7 game series. They are atleast beating Chicago once, I don't care how much people love MJ, Nobody is going to shutdown Olajuwon, Osterstag would have been destroyed. Kerr is Not shutting down a prime Kenny Smith. That Houston team was too stacked for a finals loss
Yeah but Harper and Jordan can. Remember Sonics have beaten the Rockets at 96 which is the best defensive team the Bulls faced. Also Bulls swept the Magic Super prime Shaq and prime Penny which you can give a consideration for the Team. Maybe regular could be a good lead but Finals is totally different. That's why number 1 seed is not always better in playoffs in some cases.
@brandontopete97 the only times mj has been shutdown was 95 and the 80s His last tenure in the early 2000s he was on a crappy wizards team with a young Antawn Jamison.
Russell is GOAT of NBA title rings. And was a super defender. But Jordan would have excelled in Russell's Era. More jumpers. And no fbl dribbling. So he would have effectively aced the 60s and Russell. No three pointers though. Harsh. But there was NO better winner than Russell. RIP, Bill. Wilt was right,when he entered the league, they made it harder for him to score. But then the NBA changed the rules to make it EASIER for Jordan to score. Facts. Check the rule changes.
@@nonamewillbegiven7228Bill Russel a 5xmvp and 11xnba champion. It funny when it comes to ppl that WON MORE THAN MJ. Rings dont matter but when it a lbj vs mj rings matter. They stupidity and hypocrite nonsense is real. LARRY BIRD DOMINATE MJ. So i dont want to hear that white dude nonsesne.
Paxson was a better shooter than everybody in the 60's lol. I don't think Bill realizes that it's not about the number of jobs available, it's about the number of jobs available RELATIVE to how many athletes are competing for those jobs. In the 60's there was like 5000 dudes playing basketball, all of them were in the US and 75 percent of the most talented part of the pool was barred fron entry due to racism lol.
Bill Russell is the master & our grandpa boss of the NBA, so of course Jordan should be humbled because if it wasn't for Mr. Russell, none of us minorities would be working here, but thank God for the people who ingregated him & himself doing his thing for winning these rings. He's one of the only Celtics Hall Of Famers I respect with K.C. Jones, Bob Cousy, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Bill Walton, Robert Parrish, Kevin Gamble, Dominique Wilkins, Reggie Lewis🕊️, Rick Fox, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal & Ray Allen. RIP Grandpa Bill 🕊️🏀✊🏾I Still Miss You & still play my NBA Street Vol. 2 as a memory.
Hell no. He’s not even the GOAT of basketball. That honor belongs to Wilt. The GOAT of all sports is a tie between Wayne Gretzky and Aleksander Karelin. There’s no debate in their sports about their status. Plenty of people disagree on who is the basketball GOAT.
Facts though just saying outright Wilt is the GOAT of basketball is not absolute but he is definitely in that conversation with Kareem and Bill Russell whereas Jordan more so an all time starting 5 in the sg position rather than the GOAT conversation. Aleksander Karelin probably is the most dominant sports figure as he only lost like twice at the tail end of his career and wasn't in a decisive fashion either I don't think while having a career that spanned over decades. When people bring up 'killer instinct' or 'will to win' for guys like Michael Jordan or Tom Brady in sports it should really be attributed more to Aleksander Karelin considering it's a 1v1 and a grueling sport on top of that.@@BillouNicky
Yes, in term of winning more rings. In terms of finals record however, Jordan was has a 100% win rate, Bill doesn't. Bill Russell is still in my top 5 though.
I would argue that because they were only 12 teams is due to the fact that they were not as many good players around back then because the sport had not taken off. That's why it was easier to win. The Celtics were simply loaded in a very shallow league much like the Yankees were in early baseball history. Bill Russell can try to spin it however he wants to but it's not true
@@hex1343 Not even remotely true. False narratives. Wilt out rebounded Bill in every series and held Bill to less than 40% FG% 4 out of 8 series. Bill was great, but just stop the BS. Here are Wilt's stat lines vs the Celtics in the playoffs. The ONLY 30/30 series EVER. The only quadruple double EVER. He averaged close to a 30/30 for 5 years vs the best team in the league. Then, he upped his assists and was 20/30/10 instead. Name how many 20/20 games your favorite player had, let alone for a series. Any player for that matter. Here are Wilt's stats vs the Celtics in the playoffs.(rounded). Those stat lines are better than any other player EVER. 30/31 lmao 31/25 33/27 29/28 30/31 28/30 22/32/10/10 22/25/7
@@hex1343 Bill Russell literally have 40% fg and in career average far less ppg than Wilt. Every other stats like rebounds, blocks, steals and even apg (Wilt led NBA in dimes, Bill never did 5 apg once) - Wilt is better in everything.
Wilt Kareem Russell west n doc come before MJ in all time ranking You could argue bird and magic do as well but since they lack in defense compared to MJ it starts to get debatable Magics Playmaking and ability to still get so many steals is what propels him over Mike more than bird tho so I’d def say magic over Mike. Bird is very close not sure tho. Same with Elgin
Look at you hating on MJ again talking nonsense putting players that are not even top 15 or top 20 like Doc,West and Elgin Baylor over the 🐐 obviously there are some you put like Kareem and Bill who are top 5 or Magic and Bird top 10 but Bird is 10th not higher MJ is the 🐐 and there is no argument for them
@@paulrodriguez2337 Elgin isn’t even put over MJ in the comments😂😂😂😂 You too Emotional to even recognize who’s being put over your god. Go be madly desperately in love with someone else following them all over the net ✌🏾
@@paulrodriguez2337 Like I said, Your not worthy for a debate unlike how MJfansarethebest definitely is because you lack his knowledge, ability to speak English, humbleness, sanity, and respect which is required for 2 people to have a rational objective debate to be held and end. So cry me a River lol And you got emotional saying I put Baylor over MJ in that above comment when I didn’t. The end
@@beenizz5102 Right but you said is close so that’s disrespectful you said I lack of knowledge when I already beat you every time you are a liar and always want to put tricky comments justifying your hate for MJ talking nonsense. The end
What I hate is that people forget Bill played with 9 hall of famers ! No other team had close to that amount of star players.He shot 44%fg as a center !! He is Ben wallace if Ben played with Curry,Klay,KD, and Draymond
I'd take Larry Bird first in that draft... Then Bill Russell... Than the rest... Not a knock on any other players but I think those two guys made everyone better and they only wanted to win.
That's a conversation for THESE GUYS and those they invite to enter in with them. Bill Russell had Rings as a Player/Coach, Phil Jackson won as a Player and Coach and Jordan's career people are more familiar with. We can't talk on their level
Not to take ANYTHING away from Bill Russell because he most definitely is a GOAT .. legend and icon to the game of Basketball , but many of you over look the fact that during his tenure there were fewer Teams and less rounds of the playoff series in the NBA along with the Average player being below 6’4 , No three point line, and his only real competition was wilt Chamberlain making it Easier for Russell and his Team to stake those championships… so when you compare that Road to victor with the 80s & 90s Rules and Players you have a better understanding why Michael Jordan is considered the GOAT……
I love dis vid. I mean for Phil dat won 6 chips with MJ to say he'll pick Russell 1st? Dat says A LOT. People gotta start putting respect on Russell's name. Most people didn't even see Russell play, dis vid is d 1st time I seem him do a finger roll, WHAT!! More footage of Russells game needs to be showed. Russell played at a time wen der wasn't much money or media attention but whole lot racism & he was STILL winning. $ & media attention came in Jordans era. Russells chips transcended playing d game d man won 2 chips as a coach. Bill Russell put d CELTICS franchise on d nba map. BILL Russell was d GREATEST player in his era. JORDAN was d GREATEST player in his era. Dats all folks
While Phil Jackson did say that, bear in mind Red Auerbach who was Bill Russell's coach for most of his rings said he'd take Jordan over Bill. That also says something since people love to bring up Phil Jackson. Having said that, I respect Bill Russell and what he's done for the game and what he has had to endure. Additionally, 11 rings as a player (including his 2 rings as a coach)...yeah I don't see no player touching that.
@@hinika I'd like to see that vid, b/c Red said all types of things depending on the era. Wen he was coaching Bill he said he'd start with Bill. When Larry Came along he said Larry. According to u he said he'll take Jordan over Bill. Regardless these are 3 great players. Bird & Jordan played similar positions, Russel was a Center/power forward. But for Phil to skip pass Jordan & talk bout Russell dat played Center/power forward dats BIGTIME
People say bill Russell played for a super team but bill was the anchor of that team defensively they don't win those rings with out him maybe a few not 11 for sure
Faulty logic that makes no sense. If the 90s were compacted, and there were only the top players were remaining in the league. That would mean several of the Bulls players would be cut, and there would be a lot of redistribution in the league. That would also mean a roster change and Jordan would have even BETTER players on his team, therefore he would have even more options.
Had Jordan played in the 1960's he would have won 11 titles, but he played in the 1990's and the quality of the competition would not allow 11 title wins.
The comment about Paxson not being there does not make sense, because if what he is say is true, the guy there instead of Paxton would have been even better than Paxson
Exactly! Like what is he talking about? He shouldn’t act like there weren’t bad players back then. Even worse that there was no free agency so you couldn’t ride of the bad players for better ones easily
Love bill Russell! Definitely top 10 ever by any metric. Not sure what he meant about the Paxton example though. Maybe I’m not understanding. Did he mean Pax wouldn’t have made the team? If so wouldn’t there be a better player in his place?
Mr. Russell will be remembered as the greatest champion in team sports. However, Michael can make the argument that, when a championship was on the line, his team was truly invictus.
@FoobasSports Game 7's, yes. He did lose a finals vs. Wilt's Warriors. Meanwhile, "His Airness" walked out invictus when the championship was on the line, every time.
@@FoobasSports Game 7's, yes. He did lose a finals vs. Wilt's "Lakers", though. Meanwhile, "His Airness" walked out invictus when the championship was on the line, every time. 90's "Bulls" never even allowed a game 7 to take place in a finals series.
Jordan was right.. the nba was in its infancy when Bill played.. yes they had a few number of spots but it wasnt as popular, when you start up a company you dont have the best of the best, as it gains popularity and becomes worth more the better players/workers are attracted to the product.. jordans league was better talent wise, just like todays nba is more popular so kids are training to go to the league from age 3, now today's league is more talented than jordans, and in 30 years itll be even more talented as it becomes more popular and worth more money in the future.. thats commom sense
Following Bill's logic about Paxson being in the stands means that their would have been a better player than Paxson on the team that MJ could have passed the ball to and if someone who was better than Paxson could make the shot then it makes sense that MJ still could have won those championships. Which is a weird statement coming from a defensive player who needed to pass and for others to make shots. IMO this doesnt disprove that MJ was wrong about it being easier to win championships in Bill's era.
This is all good commentary, and entertaining yet it's not realistic. For the Celtics to win that many championships within itself lets you know there were many gaps in how the league was ran. When Mr. Russell said that John Paxson wouldn't have made the shot to win the championship because he wouldn't have made the team, I would argue that John Paxson was a better all-around guard than 95% of the guards in the NBA during that time. It's literally comparing apples to oranges, the talent level at that time was CLEARLY not the same. I wouldn't be disrespectful in saying that the League wasn't great during that era because it was. During the 80's/90's the players were better, the coaches were better, and the game was better. You can't grow a league with the same type of product year after year.
Dumb title - it’s the best players and fans of today that are humbled by Russell he addressed the arogence and ignorance displayed by those that have so much to say but have so little knowledge.
This makes no sense ... If Jordan played in the 60's when there were 12 teams, he would have had even better teammates on his team than John Paxson. The talent would have to be higher becuase of the higher competition for one spot on the team.
