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Which HARLEY DAVIDSON has the BEST power to weight? 

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The Harley Davidson community is full of people talking about horsepower. What they don't mention much is weight! These things go hand in hand and once you realize that, some Harley models shine more than you thought!
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@MidnightSportster
@MidnightSportster 5 месяцев назад
This feels like one of those "someone needed to say it" videos. Lots of detail, lots of facts, and absolutely one that needs to be shared and added to discussions.
@throttleblip9854
@throttleblip9854 5 месяцев назад
Appreciate that. All I see on the Facebook groups are dyno sheets which means nothing if your bike is hundreds of pounds heavier than the one you're racing! Also another conversation that needs to be had is rider skill but I don't know if they are ready for that one. haha
@brandondoggette7580
@brandondoggette7580 5 месяцев назад
Based on specs on Harley website Sportster S is .241 HP to weight ratio. Close to Pan Am but with a better torque curve.
@Chase_N
@Chase_N 5 месяцев назад
I've been saying this forever in my videos. You can't help but smile when you're a Pan Am owner out on a group ride & hear guys argue over which H-D model is faster/has more Hp. What's worse, wait until they find out how much better the Pan Am's suspension is.
@allanespiritu3
@allanespiritu3 5 месяцев назад
Finally someone said it publicly lol as someone who came from sport bikes and last year made the switch to a street bob I knew I wasn’t going to be winning the speed race but I do love the grunt and torque and it’s a different kind of ride now but I admit I was worried at first thinking I wasn’t going to get the same kind of thrill but I’m happy to admit I was wrong and love every second of ripping around on my bob. If I ever feel the need for speed again I’ll pick up another used crotch rocket because nothing compares but until then I’ll be enjoying the thump of my vtwin
@Helmigurt
@Helmigurt 5 месяцев назад
The Sportster S is missing and should be between the Pan Am and the Nightster.
@twocupstwodrams7535
@twocupstwodrams7535 5 месяцев назад
A Hooligan/PanAmerican would be a hoot.
@Surreyblinds
@Surreyblinds 5 месяцев назад
Have 3 Harley’s but my Nightser is so much fun, loves a few twisties, just have to remember on overtakes to use the full rev range as less torque lower down
@vernlochtefeld1626
@vernlochtefeld1626 5 месяцев назад
I like the HP to weigh ratio thing. Used it for years with cars. It really helps level a playing field to performance compare. That PA is fast! Way faster than most Harley riders realize. I have a 19 Softail 679 pounds same 150 crank / 135 WHP. Pretty fast by Harley standards but it would likely get its butt kicked by the PA. .263 HP per pound vs only .221 HP per pound. Hard to make 110 pounds up with traction or gearing.
@vernlochtefeld1626
@vernlochtefeld1626 2 месяца назад
Someone liked my reply recently so I re read it. Since my original reply I purchased a Dual Sport bike. A KTM 690, a big single cylinder thumper. Similar in purpose to the Pan Am adventure bike. Only smaller lighter more dirt oriented. Tuned it makes about 80 HP as it made 68 WHP. At 340 pounds this is .235 hp per pound. Fast but still not the hp per pound as the PA. Also I plan to rebuild my softail this winter to 180 WHP about 212 at the crank. Due to a new fairing & speakers the bike will jump to about 700 pounds. This comes out to .3038 HP per pound. Only after a full performance big bore build will it make more hp per pound than the PA. Better than using the crank HP number would be to use WHP. But I didn’t have that for the PA. I may revisit this as I know Fuel Moto has piped & tuned WHP numbers for the PA. Results are in. Fuel Moto with AC, pipe, & tune made 147whp. 173 crank makes for .3040. Liquid cooling variable valve timing definitely brought some advantages for the PA.
@scottplacella4332
@scottplacella4332 5 месяцев назад
Good stuff. I was raised in the 80's and that seem to be when the fast, light bike era really got going.
@HD2O13XL12OOC
@HD2O13XL12OOC 5 месяцев назад
My guess was wrong but I want to say the intro to this video was 👍
@johnmacias01
@johnmacias01 5 месяцев назад
Props brother, great information!
@Streetglide2021CRUISEN
@Streetglide2021CRUISEN 5 месяцев назад
another good video.keep up the good work.
@jonathansullivan9255
@jonathansullivan9255 5 месяцев назад
Keep up the great content.
@super16g123
@super16g123 5 месяцев назад
This video is right on time for me. Just the other day I got curious and started comparing power to weight between the vrod and the nightster975. I was shocked to see that the nightster had slightly better power to weight than the vrod muscle and the torque to weight was even better. I can't believe nobody's mentioned that yet. And that's not even the sportster s. It really makes me question the point of all the "performance" big twin bikes. It's like they're cosplaying as performance bikes when Harley has actual performance bikes in the revmax bikes. Seems like the big twins are fast for Harley's but the revmax bikes are fast bikes period.
@Helmigurt
@Helmigurt 5 месяцев назад
True. I test drove the Sportster S and the Low Rider S and the SS is in another league power wise compared to the Low Rider S. They feel similarly torquey but when the LRS runs out of steam the SS just starts… I decided for the SS for other reasons (electronics and cost) compared to the LRS but the power certainly helped!
@super16g123
@super16g123 5 месяцев назад
It's really interesting to watch what's going on with Harley Davidson nowadays. There are now actual performance Harley's being sold next to performance looking Harley's. But all of the mocos energy is behind the latter. I'm wondering how this is going to go with the performance Harley guys. Do they switch over to the superior performance revmax platform or do they now essentially just cosplay with the "performance" big twins.
@user-ip3le7fm3i
@user-ip3le7fm3i 5 месяцев назад
Now a Good back up video would be one on the torque ratings...which is what you usually feel in your seat
@joematticks7283
@joematticks7283 5 месяцев назад
Hey dude, what hat are you rockin? I love the checker pattern under the brim!
@mototrips1
@mototrips1 5 месяцев назад
Good one!
@caseywike2036
@caseywike2036 5 месяцев назад
Steve is GREAT people and an even smarter rider. If you haven't taken that Nightster for a ride....try it! I'm about 5"10 and 245 and it's a bike I can ride comfortably and it'll REALLY surprise you!
@stevewhitfield1635
@stevewhitfield1635 4 месяца назад
Thank you. In my experience the Rev Max engine is an upgrade from the air cooled engines.
@zombiemike5611
@zombiemike5611 5 месяцев назад
I got to test ride the Pan America at Laconia last year. I was extremely impressed with how fast it is compared to my 2021 UL. And it's a fun bike to ride. Not too shocked it's HD's fastest bike.
@chrisdoty4524
@chrisdoty4524 5 месяцев назад
I'm thinking the RevMax platform
@chrisdoty4524
@chrisdoty4524 5 месяцев назад
Sportys have always been a contender ✌️
@ericknapp3114
@ericknapp3114 5 месяцев назад
great video. gave the facts, didn’t drag it out for 20 minutes good stuff. rev max is what it is. next question is: performance vs how bike makes you feel… which is more important?
@stevewhitfield1635
@stevewhitfield1635 5 месяцев назад
The 975S makes me feel great because I have more power than most stock Harleys without spending money on mods.
@TeensierPython
@TeensierPython 5 месяцев назад
That’s easy. The sportster s or the pan American hands down!!
@potbellykelly
@potbellykelly 5 месяцев назад
I have a 2008 nightster that is really fast for only an intake, exhaust and tune. Honestly, wish the new nightster came with the same motor as the Pan-America. It would honestly be an amazing bike.
@stevewhitfield1635
@stevewhitfield1635 5 месяцев назад
Excellent video. Math is real!
@KENNETHedwardMitchell
@KENNETHedwardMitchell 5 месяцев назад
It’s why i love my dirt glide baby.
@MegaBailey67
@MegaBailey67 4 месяца назад
I am putting in a stage 3 on my 2023 fatboy l know it’s crazy to do this, but the reason why I did it is because I crave more power and I can
@jayteesgear
@jayteesgear 5 месяцев назад
I SOO thought the Street Bob would win! That 114 LIGHTS that lil bike up! Craaazy torque
@brianramirez127
@brianramirez127 5 месяцев назад
Same
@HD2O13XL12OOC
@HD2O13XL12OOC 5 месяцев назад
Same
@zackadams419
@zackadams419 5 месяцев назад
He did use horsepower numbers and not torque numbers. Wonder how the results would change if torque numbers were used. 🤔
@HD2O13XL12OOC
@HD2O13XL12OOC 5 месяцев назад
The street Bob thing
@einherjar2545
@einherjar2545 5 месяцев назад
Horsepower doesn't tell power to weight, doesn't tell you how fast it gets to that HP, only that it can get there and above all else, doesn't tell you how the bike will make you feel.
@jeancarrier522
@jeancarrier522 5 месяцев назад
Great video! I own a 2023 Breakout (101 HP) and I was surprised to see that the 117 would deliver better in the Low Rider ST (103 HP). Question: How is this possible? Thanks in advance!
@urbanadventurer5
@urbanadventurer5 5 месяцев назад
The PA all day. I have the Sportster S with pretty much the same engine. Lots of power in essentially a lightweight machine.
@user-zi6ku3io2q
@user-zi6ku3io2q 5 месяцев назад
This was a BFO- Blinding Flash of the Obvious
@throttleblip9854
@throttleblip9854 5 месяцев назад
You'd think so but after reading all the comments on Facebook groups from the big ego touring guys you'd think their dyno sheet means they don't need to prove anything! haha
@artvertex4152
@artvertex4152 5 месяцев назад
Even if we use Torque. There is not a huge gap between Pan-Am and Road Glide TQ:WT numbers as I expected, it's like just 10% more torque. Meanwhile There is really a huge gap of HP:WT numbers, Pan-Am have like double the HP ratio of a Road Glide. A Road Glide to have almost the same TQ:WT ratio as a Nightster 975 is really eyeopening actually. 😮
@12babyapes59
@12babyapes59 5 месяцев назад
Sporty
@pacnw3069
@pacnw3069 5 месяцев назад
Another number would be average horsepower. I have a 2023 CVO, and all the rave is about the new CVO ST. Peak horsepower on that bike is a little more, but the CVO make a lot more power over the RPM range below 4000.
@bradmironik6137
@bradmironik6137 5 месяцев назад
The 975 followed by the street bob.
@Jordan-0692
@Jordan-0692 5 месяцев назад
I'm gonna say the Nighster, because you said it was a surprise, and it's the one I like the least so I'll be the most surprised 😂
@Jordan-0692
@Jordan-0692 5 месяцев назад
Shit I always forget the Pan America is 150hp haha
@Surreyblinds
@Surreyblinds 5 месяцев назад
Nightster
@MegaBailey67
@MegaBailey67 4 месяца назад
I think the nightster has the greatest power to weight ratio
@jackielamie8488
@jackielamie8488 5 месяцев назад
Thank u for saying it and I'm guessing lowrider s
@artvertex4152
@artvertex4152 5 месяцев назад
Not only power but handling wise, the Pan Am and Nightster are also better. They eat corners like crazy.
@ericsorrell6170
@ericsorrell6170 5 месяцев назад
Definitely needed to be addressed. We'll done
@4tech69
@4tech69 5 месяцев назад
Did it? Really.
@papap.8006
@papap.8006 5 месяцев назад
Street Bob
@orangeliger
@orangeliger 5 месяцев назад
Figured it would be the Pan Am. Love my 22 special. The thing is ridiculous
@throttleblip9854
@throttleblip9854 5 месяцев назад
I can see why so many people are making them street bikes. If HD won't give us the Bronx, we will make our own!
@yanceyboyz
@yanceyboyz 5 месяцев назад
Wonder where the new Sportster S sits in that pecking order
@madrat5176
@madrat5176 5 месяцев назад
How do you not include the Sportster S. The Nightster? 😂
@leward
@leward 5 месяцев назад
I’m sure the Pan America wins, but I’ll watch the entire video anyway
@throttleblip9854
@throttleblip9854 5 месяцев назад
Smart man! Appreciate the support as well.
@jasperduncan6633
@jasperduncan6633 5 месяцев назад
Lowrider S
@_MysticRogue
@_MysticRogue 5 месяцев назад
Low Rider S
@bluegem6559
@bluegem6559 5 месяцев назад
What is that seat on the Roadglide ?
@throttleblip9854
@throttleblip9854 5 месяцев назад
It’s a new seat offered by Harley. I believe it’s called the switchback maybe? I’m told it only fits the new body style though.
@stevenpierce4359
@stevenpierce4359 5 месяцев назад
I will stay with my RKS 2020 131 engine
@MrAl67
@MrAl67 5 месяцев назад
Sportster S?
@1490cameronglen
@1490cameronglen 5 месяцев назад
Why isn't the Breakout in the video
@brianramirez127
@brianramirez127 5 месяцев назад
Streetbob
@Hoodsolo
@Hoodsolo 5 месяцев назад
Street bob or Pan Am
@Truthfulmonk031
@Truthfulmonk031 5 месяцев назад
Didn't want to add a Sportster S in there?
@waterkoppie
@waterkoppie 5 месяцев назад
What counts is the power-to-weight-ratio over vehicle speed, if you could show that in a graph ? And then in the five or six gears ? Then you might see that the bikes you showed with a lower MAXIMUM power-to-weight-ratio, have a higher power-to-weight-ratio in the LOWER vehicle speeds, where you ride them in reality, and that is what you notice on the road. But for some people this might be to complicated, they just want to hear a simple MAXIMUM power-to-weight-ratio figure like politicians or managers would, but then they may be paying more for less performance.
@High_Desert_Tanner
@High_Desert_Tanner 5 месяцев назад
Pan America
@TarDaniel
@TarDaniel 5 месяцев назад
You really wanna tell us that there are motorheads that don't know what's horsepower and what's torque? Seriously? That would be sad!
@Rockcityhooligan
@Rockcityhooligan 5 месяцев назад
Here are my two cents, I do not build my bikes just to make more power. I build my bikes to be an extension of my personality. I build my bikes to separate me from the weekend riders. I want people to know I am an enthusiast just from looking at my bike, or better yet, hearing it. I don't need more power but there is nothing I enjoy more than shattering the stereotype of the slow Harley. I think the point you're trying to make is that Harleys are great bikes from the factory and don't need thousands of dollars worth of upgrades to be an awesome motorcycle and I could not agree more.
@Zsule
@Zsule 5 месяцев назад
Comment for the benefit of the algorithm LOL.
@az180pilot
@az180pilot 5 месяцев назад
*Comment
@aspen9062
@aspen9062 5 месяцев назад
It’s only important to those tools that ride once a week…you know, 10 minutes to a bike night
@billystennett7518
@billystennett7518 5 месяцев назад
Lowrider s
@kelvinknaff9903
@kelvinknaff9903 5 месяцев назад
I feel the same as you do Harley Davidson have plenty of power. They will certainly kill you.
@wikeywikeywhick3852
@wikeywikeywhick3852 5 месяцев назад
without knowing i,m saying pan american
@user-zi6ku3io2q
@user-zi6ku3io2q 5 месяцев назад
No such thing as too much horsepower. Just not enuf traction.
@throttleblip9854
@throttleblip9854 5 месяцев назад
And sometimes not enough brakes! Guys running around with 20k in the motor and stock brakes haha.
@shoey5406
@shoey5406 5 месяцев назад
i want more torque, not horsepower
@chasingexcellence2246
@chasingexcellence2246 5 месяцев назад
I don’t ride a Harley because it is fast. If I wanted fast I would buy a Suzuki or Kawasaki crotch rocket.
@super16g123
@super16g123 5 месяцев назад
Hell yeah, brother. Save the performance and excitement for those metrics.
@twowheelin7361
@twowheelin7361 5 месяцев назад
None😂
@allisonpage8991
@allisonpage8991 5 месяцев назад
Pan American
@roberthodges6401
@roberthodges6401 5 месяцев назад
Pan-American?
@joehoe7551
@joehoe7551 5 месяцев назад
Want to go fast? Dont ride HD 🤌 easy as it gets
@yanceyboyz
@yanceyboyz 5 месяцев назад
Torque is a thing. I've ridden some fast Harley's down the drag strip. Very fast in fact.
@phildiegidio4658
@phildiegidio4658 5 месяцев назад
Pan America
@grantbresley5343
@grantbresley5343 5 месяцев назад
Pan American
@millertime269
@millertime269 5 месяцев назад
Pan America
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