Who approved those V12 Sounds? Forza Motorsport (2023) V12 Sounds Breakdown 

To make our statement clearer, I posted a new topic into the forza motorsport car issues forum talking about the issue & the current state of so many copy pasted sounds. Here’s the link: forums.forza.net/t/v12-sounds-breakdown-in-fm-2023-a-lot-of-copy-paste/674419?u=fastlane_yordan

Murcielago: Possibly one of the best ever sounding cars Forza: "And I took that personally"

The back to back to back to back to back.... Ferraris was mind-blowing.

7:47 No other racing game has fudged up a howling Pagani sound as badly as THIS. Like, it sounds like a turbo V6

I feel like Turn10 was extremely lazy with this game

"Built from the ground up". They forgot to mention that this ground is at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

0:45 No way that's a Murciélago 💀

You know, I was thinking about getting the new console to get the new motorsport. After seeing everything unfold, I'm so glad I didn't. This is honestly disgusting how fans have been disrespected. Also remember, its managements fault, not the devs themselves.

Its sad how forza is showing a lack of care for their newer games. They lost their minds honestly

Its the Lamborghini Murcielago. I remember it because it was the closest I could get to an LFA engine. It was a BEAST to drive with, but they had to ruin it like they do every car in these damn games now.

This is such a fh4 moment

The Huayra R sound in Motorsport had me dying laughing

I felt like Pedro Pascal after that reveal, the timing was outstanding 😂😂 -> 😅😅 -> 😢😢 And I have to admit: TCM & GT7 nailed the sound though ✅

Well that's just the spirit of motorsport, Isn't it?

Thanks for all your work and exposing those who are responsible for this mess.

The Huayra R 😭😭😭 What a colossal fumble. That should be screaming so loud that wearing headphones would be dangerous

It’s like forza horizon 4 all over again

I swear, it feels like they used the same FH3 V12 sound for all of their games

TBH, 2023 FM has one of the most realistic Car Revs in terms of RPM, but i don’t understand why do most of the cars in FH5 or FH4 have to be a bit lower pitched. The Murcielago doesn’t even sound like that at 9K RPM. This is really confusing

Love to see the FH3 Vulcan appreciation. That was one of my favourites to cruise around in.

I'm surprised that T10 hasn't recieved a cease and desist from Ferrari yet because of the shitty engine sounds...

The way some of them don't EVEN change the tone from 1 car to another, I bet that if I closed my eyes at certain points, I would think it is the same VEHICLE.

At least they fixed the 812 sound. I remember it sounded like a 488 at some point.

Its because Forza Motorsport is build from the ground UP!

4:54 - 5:13 T10 why 🥲🥲🥲

They're not creating for art. They're creating for money.

3:17 fh3 vulcan was godly

Truly a build from the ground up moment, such realistic games even the original gran turismo from the ps1 era can't compared

just let them go .. both forza's are beyond saving

You know it's not just the sound but the powerbands too. Every V12 in the game has the same shift point... changes to differential or transmission do not affect the sound. In reality even if two cars shared the same engine(MC12, Enzo) they would still sound different from the exhaust lengths, exhaust pipes, power level, transmission and differential gearing, dog gears or not, ect... EVERYTHING sounds the bloody same or has a filter on top...

Seems like the audio team finished 6 months after the hole team got the green light to develop Motorsport 2023.

I loved how loud the cars were in FH1. Especially the muscle cars.

I remember my journey with this channel. I first started playing racing games seriously with FH3. I fell in love with Horizon. But FH4 is where I really dove in and started playing online with other people. And I remember a video from this channel complaining about the car sounds, and since I didn't know anything about cars and didn't really care about car sounds I argued that most of the cars sounded fine. Because they did to me back then - I didn't really care. But since then I've become obsessed with racing games, with cars, with sim racing, and in particular sim drifting. And I ended up getting and playing most racing games out there, because I love racing games and I love cars, and slowly I realised how much I love the way cars sound. The different way they sound depending on how you drive them, the noises of forced induction, the difference between engine note and exhaust note, between cockpit and chase. The Zonda, the Carrera GT, the LFA, the craziness of rally cars, V10 F1 engines, gear whines, superchargers, turbo flutters...all of that character is part of the car as much as the laser scan that the devs return with. So just getting a 3D model of the car isn't enough if the sounds aren't there, because you've only come back with half the car. Half the car is missing. With those Lambo V12s in this video? They look like modern Lambo V12s, but half the car is missing. Same with the Ferrari V12s. Half the car is missing. And I wanted to say thankyou FLG for documenting this - I didn't used to care, but gradually I realised this is such a crucial part of racing games, and seeing how piss-poor FM8 is in this repsect, how unbelievably shoddy the V12 sounds are, even after six years, well maybe this video might shame the people at Turn 10 into getting their act together. We had to do it to Playground, and to be fair they ended up putting some effort in. Maybe T10 will respond similarly. Or maybe it's too late and this is the last Motorsport we'll ever see. Either way, you made the effort to show them what they were doing wrong, so cheers.

7:47 What have they done to the Huayra R 😭😭😭 It sounds like they put the microphone in an air intake💀💀💀

One thing: the V12 used for the SV isn't actually generic, but it's the same file of the Aventador, which is correct

the engine structure and the engine note are the distinct feature when lambo first debuting aventador (which shared by a lot of modern lambo v12 variants). Murcielago used the classic lambo that they used for more than 40 years. using the new lambo sound for murcielago is more offensive than sharing ferrari sounds since 812 and laferrari's engine does sound similar even in Motorfest 3

“From the ground up”

Holy shit, the traffic in FH3

The sounds in recent games lack, "explosiveness", depth and rawness. I think another case in point is Jaguars brilliant sounding 5.0 litre supercharged V8, which can be found in the F-Type and XE Project 8. The best rendition I've heard of it was in Project Cars 2. I think it's worth looking into.

It was simple. I just checked the shape of the car in the thumbnail. These sharp edges on the sides are from the active aero from (the car in question)

the essenza is godlike in fh5 why does it sound more tame in fm23

Thanks for this video. I generally think turn 10 does a decent job at audio but this format of viseo really exposes it. They need to get their priorities in check. Car sounds should be top 3 for sure

pagani zonda r in fh3 was just an insane sound

It has no drama all it's wow factor and it's very tame sounding

“Built from the ground up”

What I experience using some V12 in forza games (especially the newer ones) is that some of them are hissing instead of howling, the howl is not like the typical v12 howl, but more like my granpa's dog howl. Idk if it just me, but why hissing? Sounds like it got exhaust leak on the headers

Yeah maybe this is why I've become obsessed with racing turbos on everything.

that FH3 vulcan is fucking mint

Its really crazy to say that gt7 has better sounds than fm but it really does, remember the days back with gt5 and fm4, fm was league a head here in car sounds, the tables has really turned, fm has getting worse sounds for every game since fm6, gt has massivly been improved after gt6, many would proably never expect the the day where gt would have better sounds than fm if we just look back 10 years ago

Since I was a kid in FM4 days, the Murcielago was my favourite sounding car in Forza. The soundfile staying relatively the same up till FM6 was primarily showcasing the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” because it was great. Now it’s just an insult to the glorious Bizzarini V12💀

So glad i only played this game for the E-Ray This is driving f*cking nuts r.n

First one has got to be the aventador, or any other car with the L539 V12 in it. Forza has an iconic sound for that specific motor.

the fact that THE CREW MOTORFEST out of all games beats forza is CRAZY

Maybe they hear us when we post it in their Forum.

2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque: Allow me to introduce myself

If they want the next Forza Horizon to actually stand a chance against other racing games, they need to step up their sounds. Like yeah, car sounds are massively improved in Horizon 5 but sometimes they feel bland and boring. There's no crackles, pops and bangs when you upgrade your exhaust. Stock cars backfire for some reason. And the list goes on. Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 has the best engine sounds and that game is from freaking 2012. The cars sound raspy and depending on the car you can hear crackles, pops and bangs and that's just amazing. Like bro, how tf is a 12 year old game beating the shit out of modern racing games that have more technology? It just doesn't make sense. If Forza Horizon combined some sound design elements from The Crew Motorfest, NFS Most Wanted 2012, GT7 and of course, some things from their own game, we would have the best sounding cars ever, but I guess they're too lazy so they will just reuse the generic cars sounds that everyone loves.

Playground Games and Turn 10 should switch games, FH sounds miles ahead for some cars

I took my eyes off the screen and heard the same engine sound for at least 30 seconds. "Built from the ground up" 💀

That car reveal took ages

Impact is the new comic sans

Fm7 car sounds actually goated

My heart broke when the Sauber Mercedes c9 sounded more like a clapped v6 than the monster straight piped v8 it should be

Here is what T10 sound team does : take 3-4 masters, re-EQ them ; BAM you get the sound for 80 cars. Easy job, see you next day. I left FM franchise since FM4 and I'm very happy I did. Crap audio, lazy work. They don't deserve my money.

I say they shut the game down for a month to fix absolutely everything, something anything because it’s seeming straight up intentional and they don’t care at all

Clearly passed by some Purple Haired "Diversity hire" who is *Not* a Car Enthusiast in any way, shape or form and would not know a Bizzarrini LE65 from an F130B even if you clonked her on the Shins with the Crank Journals! :( those are PS2 level Bad :(

There are some cars where it would make sense to have the same sound because they have the same engine or they’re mostly the same car such as the Ferrari Enzo and Maserati MC12. However, the Pagani Huayra BC does NOT have the same engine as the Huayra R, nor are they even made by the same company. The BC has an AMG engine; the R has a bespoke in-house made engine.

Game of the year moment

718 gt4 rs's sound is broken btw. Sounds like a high pitched flat 4 GTS.

They made a v12 sound like an inline 4

And that's why people say every car feels the same

At this point, you get more sound variability in Automation...

Thank you for talking about the sound in fm8, it's mostly terrible and needs more develloping in it

8 minutes of pain

Tbf, the copy and paste sounds is in all modern Forza titles simply because they put full priority on car list size hence why cars sound bad, they dont get remodeled, they have terrible customization etc etc. It's always quantity over quality which this video points out perfectly

I feel like because I spent such a huge part of growing up playing gran turismo 1-4, that sounds never really seem to bother me, as long as the game itself isn't crap.

It's the Murcielago. Got it at 0:58, because I played way too much FH4.

Nice mix. It's interesting that Horizon 5 is meant to be behind, in graphical terms, due to being able to run on the older system. On the other hand, Horizon 5 is ahead with some of the noises and especially in the paint shop, adding features that Motorsport 8 doesn't even have, i.e. matt decals.

I really thought that was a DB12

Even MW05 has a great sound for the Murci 🫠

notice how some of the quote on quote "copypasted" sounds are put into cars with the same engine?

To be fair, i did instantly realise the murci is a lambo V12, but i havent even bought the game so im definitely not defending that pos

At least we could use Revolusound as an unofficial fix for a lot cars but since the last update PG Games have locked the ability to override their files so we are stuck with the (poor?) choices they've made. I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happened to FM 2023.

I knew the car right as you revealed the fh4 sound lol, so sad to see t10 giving it the generic lambo sound as it is one of the best sounding cars. fh4 was probably the last t10 game to get the lp670 sound right lol

5:29 Racing V12 from FH series, wrong?

The best sounds are the lamborghini gallardo in nfsmw and lambo murcielago in nfsmw and GT7

Yeah we’re calling you out, audio devs.

4:41 Are we all going to gloss over the fact the BRM P201 sound like a fucking V8? It's completely wrong! 😂

Crew motorfest really cooked forza with it's sound design🤣🤣🤣💀

If you think about how Microsoft changed every 18 months the developers then yeah..instead of re doing new sounds they just change them and re use them lol

I miss the days that forza was a "quality product" it sure has been awhile

Apparently, every V12 Ferrari from 2013 onwards is the exact same car. SMH

Built from the ground up Amirite

In my opinion at this point every game have cars that are a hit or a miss when it comes to sound (some more than others) but when it comes to all forza studios the game is no longer being developed by authentic car enthusiasts and it shows

they have just used a same sound file for every v12 car and they just changed the bass and pitch and some other elements

The people responsible for the sound should be shameful, how can they get a salary when they clearly don't do their work properly...

And I thought Horizon 4 was bad…yikes. Racing game sound design peaked over a decade ago. That’s so sad.

They made the murcielago sound like the 370z from fm4

Its really sad to see Forza franchise unfold this way.. On the other hand, im glad people who worked at TDU and TDU2 made The Crew possible. Motorfest is such an underated gem. They get one sound or another at wrong, but most of it its too damn precise! Not only that, but they add details to their sounds that make even richer!

Test with the mod "Forza Sounds Fixed Mod" and compare with original sounds.

Whats hysterical is they gave the SV, the SVJ and the Sian DIFFERENT sounds........when should all be indentical, same as base Aventador and Veneno xD