Let’s see uhh when vegeta sacrifice remember that one not that one that one no I meant THAT ONE THE THE TV WHAT TV THE OMG HOW THE HELL AM I MENT YO TELL YOU I’m joking maybe yes I am
The early funimation dub because I will never forget the ending quote “And so one of the earths greatest warriors has vanished in a blinding flash of light, having made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of his loved ones, his name was Vegeta, a proud saiyan prince”
Goku: so that mean we are cool now? Vegeta: yes, yes we a- Goku: oh cool! *Turns SSJ3* because i wasn't at my full power! Vegeta: *tears rolling* oh...
In the original Japanese, when told he will suffer for eternity, he says: "That's a pity." In Kai he says: "Oh well, that's too bad." In the original English funi dub, he says, without hesitation: *"So be it."* In Japanese and Kai he shows a regret in death. That is sad, but in the original English he immediately acknowledged how his afterlife was forfeit due to his actions and despite knowing he will suffer for eternity, he believes it is a fair price to keep his family safe. In the other versions, he had a bit of selfishness in his last minutes, but in the English his words are completely selfless, almost admitting to himself that he doesn't have the right to the benefits that Goku was given.
@@tl8211 My bad, selfish is a harsh word. More "regretful" than anything. You make a good point about it being more of a sacrifice if he acknowledges his personal loss, but in my opinion him immediately completely understanding that his actions = consequences plays up his character progression, almost making it seem like his end will be an appropriate price to pay for the monster he used to be. In the end, be it redemption or regret this scene is amazing.
@@Zackypuffsnurple that doesn't mean crap, the "truest" is the original version as written by DBZ creator Akira Toriyama. Then it logical that he feels regrets cause he wont see goku in the after life
So what? You're just projecting---seeing what you want to see in that scene in retrospect. Anyone who isn't blind with childhood nostalgia can see that "So be it" is just more of that self-righteous, superhero trash that FUNimation tried to suffuse the "good guys" with (so that the kiddies would be able to recognize that Vegeta was a "good guy" now). It's cartoonish. The American dub is trash. 💯
Vegeta is my favorite now but he became my favorite when he fought the Ginyu Force. Before then id have to say was Krillin. Because that guy has been through a lot. It wasn't until the end of the cell saga when he finally got a family he settled down. Even then he fought in the Tournament of power. IMO he's the strongest human with the most development.
Something that was missed was Vegeata’s line “I think I finally understand you” referencing when Goku said the exact same thing on Namik after Frieza kills him. Goku understands vegeatas need for revenge and pride and Vegeata understands Gokus want to protect his friends
Or maybe, his name is TotallyNotMark, like that's his first name, or Totally is his first name, Not is his middle name, and Mark is his last name. But we will never know.
The original line was : "I've finally found the way...TO DESTROY YOU !!" and followed by another one : "I'M GOING TO REDUCE YOU INTO DUST SO YOU CAN'T RETURN EVER AGAIN !!" Which also could have been said : "So you won't regen yourself anymore" or "So you'll stop regenerating yourself"...well, that's what he believed and never thought Buu's regen power was that much ridiculous OP, because neither Piccolo nor even Cell could have survived this self-destructive explosion Vegeta used against Fat Majin Buu, beyond compare !
"You are a fool. I am going to crush you, and throw you in to the wind!" Followed by the narrator saying "... His name was Vegeta, a proud Saiyan Prince." That right there is my childhood. Even as a kid I was sad hearing the narrator say the full quote but now as an adult I just get even more emotional. Goddamn man...
The original english dub always takes it for me. idk why the line "I'm going to crush you, and throw you into the wind" always just sounded so cool as Vegetas last showing of his normal cockiness showing through even as he knows death is eminent .
@@manastiwari324 yep, but the difference is his face design was different how it was drawn in the buu saga, a bit wider and more mature looking than in the Saiyan saga
Yeah, but in terms of localisation and seeing how the narrative changes with translation, the video does a fine job giving us information to make a decision. I grew up with the original funimation dub and I love the voices, but I can never agree with how they change the narrative and dialogue. Changes in wording and phrase's really impact our perception of the characters personality. I.e. "pity" vs. "so be it." Also can't agree with depicting Goku as a superman like figure. In terms of music, I'm not a huge fan of the track played during the English version of the sacrifice. It didn't sound regretful and impactful, rather, it sounded like an empty anticipation of the explosion.
That's what I'm saying! These videos are f*cking dumb! It's almost as if he already knows what the results of his poll are going to be and is just pandering to fans of the American dub by not giving a _true_ comparison---that is, you know, comparing the AUDIO.
"It will take more than head games to stop me. You may have invaded my mind and my body... but there's one thing a Saiyan always keeps: his pride!" - Vegeta
I would have liked to.. you know.. HEAR VEGETA'S SCREAM in this comparison. Even if I know it quit well already; the goal here was to compare. All I heard was you over the images.
Whatever version I’m watching, I always manage to tear up. Vegeta is my favorite character for this reason. He’s had the most character growth, he started out as a selfish mass murderer and when we get to this scene he Is giving his life for everyone else. It’s a beautiful arc.
its the bruce falconer score in the 2001 english dub that makes this one of my favorite moments in all of dbz and what changed my mind from ssj2 gohan to vegeta being my favorite character
Technically, Vegeta’s character development was not finished until the Kid Buu fight (and Super forgot about that). But this moment was definitely the climax of his character arc. Beautiful!
Luiz Eduardo not really. Super wanted to keep Vegeta at the point after his sacrifice and before his speech. It kept reverting him to moments similar to his sacrifice to generate hype like the my Bulma scene. After Vegeta’s speech, him and Goku were more like close friends than rivals (that still like fighting). After the Kid Buu fight when they thumbs up each other, I don’t see Super’s Vegeta doing that. Super hyped Vegeta more than grew as a character. Until ToP, he was stagnant.
@@sacred944 His character arc was over just like Z was, with the series continueing they kinda were forced to backpedal to keep Vegeta an interesting enough character. Its one of thoes things I cant knowingly be mad at but wished never happened
Echo Light Goku and Vegeta will always be rivals. Best friends can be rivals and that’s what Goku and Vegeta basically were in super. Vegeta said the whole thing about Goku being the best but that doesn’t mean Vegeta doesn’t want to get stronger and surpass the best. Like the other guy said super just expanded on what was already developed
I love Kai's version. I'm a huge Kai fan. Also, the music in the Final Chapter is great. Most people don't realize it but a lot of super's music actually came from DBK The Final Chapter.
Vegeta is my favorite character by far and i’m glad he’s still around because he’s the best part of super but it would’ve been beautiful if this was his actual final moment
I love the Japanese ending we're the narrator says "a warrior vanished in a distant, astonishing light his name, vegeta; the proud saiyan Prince " that made me cry a little wen was 11
Who had a better development? Vegeta, broly or piccolo.. I'd like you to go deep into the physical, emotional and mental struggles, the hardships and what makes them great characters
That eye twitch in the funimation dub is 👌. I think the funimation dub has the advantage as the dialogue is more grown up. I mean you only have to listen to the speech between him and goku “ Fool! you don’t know what humiliation is!” It’s similar to mgs vs mgs TTS, the original sounds more grown up and TTS is more dumbed down like Kai
When tfs does this part I want them to play "The Impossible Dream" as the lyrics fill really well with Vegeta's dream to beat Goku, knowing well that it is Impossible. Also that one line " To be willing to walk into hell for a heavenly cause" Fits so well in the scene.
The og funimation dub for me... the harshness of vegeta stays in line with his character even till super, sabats yelling is amazing and the falk track makes it so much more dramatic and tense sounding. “ your a fool, I will crush you and throw you into the wind!” One of the most badass lines I’ve ever heard!
The early Funi dub had its moments but I didnt like how they changed Piccolo's dialogue to make Goku look so heroic. Kai improved on it but I will always have a soft spot for the original version
Ghost Dragon I wouldn’t say that was a fault. Piccolo’s description on Goku and Vegeta in the early funimation dub really show the contrast between the two characters, which elevates the moment making many feel pretty sorry for Vegeta.
@@t4k3y0ur5hirtoff "Goku devoted his life to protecting the innocent" is blatantly untrue. In order to devote your life to something, your main goal must be to do that thing. If his primary goal isn't to protect the innocent, then you're not devoting your life it it.
Mark I request u again ! Please do a video on Gohan explaining that how he's not a failure . As his motivations are different from that of Vegeta and Goku and he actually has a character development. I think he's one of the most wrongly understood character in DB verse .
People react almost like future trunks reacts when he meets gohan in super. The only thing thats different is that trunks realises that this is the life gohan always wanted.
What he doesn't like is senseless violence and killing. Gohan is a fighter, and he enjoys fighting as a sport....naturally, he's part saiyan. He doesn't, however, enjoy it enough to completely drop his life to go train on some distant planet away from his family unless something warrants it. Its a hobby to him on occasions and something he does when needed (like Frieza's revival or Tournament of Power). Even the human martial artists have pretty much dropped their careers as fighters...save Tien, and they all love martial arts.
I'd say the original Funimation Dub has the most impact. I'm not much of a Falconer fan aside from a few tracks, "Vegeta Knows his Son" being one of them. Also the quote "You are a fool, I am going to crush you and throw you into the wind!" gets my jollies going every time. But best death scream goes to the Kai version.
I agree with "You are a fool I'm going to crush you and throw you into the wind" gives me the chill as well but my favorite part is when he says"i think i finally understand you, lets go." Because he wasn't talking to buu he was talking to himself about goku when goku sacrificed himself to cell.
Not really. With the stupid dialogue changes (Vegeta still using funny names for Goku/Goku being portrayed as an superhero) and the talking over silence it looses impact. The long silence scenes makes it creepy and impactful. You just know that something lies in the air and that its something bad. Your own fantasy is going to work because of the silence. And then the narration at the end.... Just perfect.
@@vaevictis5878 it is. Vegeta final flash, gohans ssj2 transformation, super buus transformation (and road to chamber) and buu blowing up the earth are all incredibly done because of the music score during those scenes
Interesting to see that the US got this episode in 2001, in France we got it in 1995 iirc. End of 80's early 90's were pretty crazy years for Japanimation in France, would make a great topic with a lot of memes from Hokuto no Ken or City Hunter French dub x). As far as this scene (and DBZ) goes, we also mostly had the JP soundtrack, so I can't say I love the US one as a Westerner ;). In the end, to me the OG JP version takes the cake. These are the visuals and the music I grew up with while watching DB(Z) on Club Do', key difference would be the language but thanks to internet I've got the chance to listen and appreciate the original version one. For those curious to see how the French version does it, the episode title is: "Le sacrifice d'un père" , and you can find on youtube the very end (last 3minutes or so) of the episode on youtube (try searching "Vegeta se sacrifie"), for the full episode, it's a bit trickier ;).
Manga > Original JP Broadcast> Kai 2014 = Original ENG Broadcast The anime version really adds some depth to the character interactions, however none of the music choices for the entire set of scenes 100% works for me, so paper wins by default. That being said, if were only counting the music chosen for each JP Broadcast > Eng Broadcast > Kai 2014
The Game Grumps Let’s Play of Majora’s Mask vegeta surviving his makes more sense to me than 17. Vegetas final explosion is just a ludicrous amount of energy being released from his body. 17 legitimately self destructed and somehow survived.
Original Dub is hands down the best iteration. The dialogue and the score are just so much better than both the other versions. I personally have never been able to get used to the Sub for DBZ, even though I prefer it for pretty much every other anime. The scream Vegeta lets out in the Sub is pretty lame compared to the original Dub too.
2001! I remember the long hiatus after that episode and thought the show was over. The joy I got when Toonami finally showed the commercial for the new episodes was equal to the sorrow I had seeing my favorite character disappear in that blinding flash as the narrator gave him a beautiful send off.
@@awsomeboy360 Well you probably saw it in English first, so you have no ties the Japanese voices. Either way Kai has by far the best music in this scene.
Say what you want about the original funimation dub as a whole, but there are certain moments in it that find a way to outshine all other interations. Vegeta's sacrifice imo is one of these moments. The foreboding Faulconer score subtly waves and builds in the background without distracting the audience with loud trumpets or sharp noises or whatever the Japanese did. Kai's music felt out of place imo as the music placed vegeta in too much of a heroic light when his character is more in line with being an anti- hero. With Faulconer's score just as it reaches crescendo Vegeta's iconic bell theme kicks in as the exclamation point to help elevate Sabat's battle cry. Vegeta in his final moments went out more like a softer but battle hardened warrior than a complete good guy.The irony that the bells in his theme essentially become death bells ringing as Vegeta sacrafices himself was never lost on me.
@@jaxsonfanta5420 That's the problem, the Funi dub tried to make every scene "badass" and edgy, but it comes off as dumb and cringey most of the time. Plus the Kai version had the most emotional and heartfelt music.
@@kingdom942 I agree, I personally prefer Kais orchestra ESPECIALLY in Vegetas sacrifice. The buildup is great, and with the better voice acting from the cast (and dialogue) it creates an emotional rollercoaster lol
Faulkoner's score takes the cake for me. I still get chills. It goes from "goku recovers" to "Vegeta gets bean" into "Vegeta knows his son" and then, of course, "Vegeta's them" for the Final Explosion. And then the Narrator's voice “And so one of the earths greatest warriors has vanished in a blinding flash of light, having made the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of his loved ones, his name was Vegeta, a proud Saiyan Prince” *tear I do gotta say, though, they did a good job on the music in kai, and Sabat's yell is much improved.
Everyone sleeps on Krillen’s part in this scene... Years ago he was forced to spare an evil person’s life against his will and he was so sure beyond any doubt that it was the wrong decision. This reaction to Vegeta’s death shows that down deep he already considered Vegeta to be one of them and he’s watching a comrade sacrifice himself for the team. It’s honestly gutwrenching 💔
@@evangaming5416 No it is that. Pretty sure even Sabat said it in an interview that they had to do changes to certain things like making the music loud and adding in dialouge because they thought the kids would have a hard time paying attention
I watched this scene for the first time when i was 15 and it was moving i rewatched it after becoming a a father in 2011 and it became heart wrenching. There is no more noblest of an act then one who lays down his life for ones he loves
I think to prefer the version of this scene in Z-anime, due to drawings, animations and in particular for the Kikuchi's score. At the second rank the manga version, at third Z-KAI and at the end the american dub (sorry I hate Faulconer's musics xD).
I like the early funimation dub because although toriyama doesnt think of goku as a hero other characters like piccolo should see what he does and think that he is in universe. Also Ryo Horikawa always does an amazing job but Christopher Sabat is my childhood
It's not breaking news that the English dub changed lots of dialogues during the whole series from the japanese version lol. I'll stick with the original. Keep up the awesome work Mark!
@Legendary Goku Actually they have a solid schedule for the next season/arc. They'll be working on it for these first five or so months of this year, so that they're able to release weekly episodes hopefully this fall. That way we won't have to wonder when the next episode is coming out.
7:12 I think they added this change to explain to the younger portion of the audience (who may have missed out on some of the earlier lore) why Goku keeps his body when he dies and Vegeta wouldn't.
I think he was referring to how they built up Goku being a superman like character, instead of the real reason that Vegeta did a lot of horrible things.
7:18 and that's exactly why people, who grew up with the American version, see Goku like this superhero when he isn't. the English dub made him out to be this all righteous hero.
The original english dub will always be my favorite. It's what I grew up watching. Christopher Sabat is an amazing voice actor and plays Vegeta so well.
The funimation English dub is by far the best purely because Bruce Falconer’s soundtrack completely changes the emotions of the scene. The original Japanese soundtrack make the scene feel like a comic superhero moment - the soundtrack of the English dub instead make the scene have this far more serious and slightly frightening feel to it - and having watched this episode many times I feel the funimation dub’s read on the scene was more correct. I don’t think this was a comical superhero type of scene - vegeta for the first time in his life was being serious about protecting those he loved, and at the same time it was scary to see this because we have known vegeta for so long as a character and the thought of losing him was a frightening one - so I think that Bruce Falconer’s treatment on it was correct.
How the fuck did you get comical out of the Japanese dub? The silence was far more ominous and foreboding. I'm seriously starting to think the reason Westerners dislike the JP OST is because they for some reason associate the brass instruments often used in anime, especially Dragon Ball, will being lighthearted or clownish. Trumpets and horns are not exclusive to circuses, friend.
bruh so true, so many examples from DBZ. music is a big part of show/movies etc. even it means people will always disagree and say wrong because its not original or taste. funimation choose great with the music even if they screwed up lines for characters
Keanu you are correct that trumpets and horns are not exclusive to circuses, I live in a country that has large national war remembrance days, where the slow trumpets and horns carry a really deep emotion of loss and sacrifice. I can’t explain rationally why I didn’t get the same emotional effect as you did to the Japanese one - I just didn’t. If indeed the intent of the Japanese take on that episode was to drive the same emotional response as the English version then it failed on me. For me somehow the soundtrack used on this episode was very similar to really old English war movies that I have seen, which often trumpets/brass to create suspense and highlight danger/suspense (especially with sudden influx). I find this approach to be very artificial and unnecessary - this is partly what I meant when I used ‘comical superhero’ to describe the approach, as the very old western war-hero/superhero films used this approach a lot - but the movie industry has moved on from those days have found better, more natural ways of using sound to drive the intended emotion
Holy shit i did not expect to cry during this video i have to agree mark this scene was beautiful. I feel like i could never ever watch this scene without crying... Vegeta my saiyan prinve you sacrificed a lot and tried your best..no one will forget what you did.
As a kid I loved Vegeta and as an adult I realized why. He is definitely one of the best characters in the show, and this was one of his best moments in the series.
The scene isn't meant to be epic though. It's meant to be somber, subtle, maybe ever so slightly triumphent. The original Japanese score almost goes too far with the triumphent music, but it's replaced by silence for the actual explosion, which works much better than Faulconer's OST for the proper attack.
I'm gonna go ahead and say I loved the 2001 Funimation version. The score was what did it for me. All of the animated versions' sweeping visuals were amazing for it, though.
also something to note about the original FUNi version is Kyle Herbert's closing dialogue and the intro to finally music by Bruce Faulkner. Always gives chills
Not only does Trunks' faith in his dad show what Trunks thinks but it also can be considered as motivating Vegeta. The need to protect your own son. The desire, to live up to the person who idolizes you the most, and what they expect. The power of dad is strong. I love all of them and I cried back when I first saw it as a kid. I suppose I like the original Dub for nostalgia sake. But nowadays I love the Kai dub. Followed by the mango.