"I've had my share of piloting experience. Actually only two lessons. And they were with a shuttlecraft. On the holodeck. But I showed great intuition! Where's the helm?" Just perfect.
And the Mk2 figures out how to read ETA and position readings. .-. Reading positioning instruments right there is half the knowledge needed for flying. The other half is handling your craft. -a pilot.
Mark Keener They would be useless, unless the safety protocols were taken offline automatically otherwise those holographic strike teams wouldn’t do any damage to the intruders.
@@CaptainM792 I don't think it would be much of a problem to disable to safeties, if they exist at all outside the holodeck. Also Voyagers doctor caries a physical tricorder from what I can see so I would think they would get there weapons from real weapons lockers anyways
Doesn’t matter if they’re mark 1s or mark 4s they have yet to isolate and remove the subroutine that turns EMHs into douchecanoes if left running longer than 5 minutes.
@@D8W2P4 Doctor Lewis Zimmerman. The EMH Mk 1 was modeled off of him, and since this is Star Trek, the creation always assumes the personality quirks of the creator. So Daystrom's sapient computer was a suicidal psycho, Data turned out mostly alright but hilariously naive, Lore turned out both hilariously naive and psychotic, and the EMHs all were prone to fits of self-aggrandizement if left on for longer than a minute.
@@RequiemPoete I think they were less concerned about what he'd seen/heard, and more concerned with what he was sent there to do. Memories can be erased, but programming is harder to hide. They wanted to analyze his subroutines to see if he was programmed to perform sabotage, assassinate the crew, etc. It was still stupid of them to threaten to kill him though, I mean come on.
And he was in a season 1 episode of TNG, "Symbiosis," alongside the actor who played David Marcus. (Fun fact: it was also Denise Crosby's last episode she worked on before she left the main cast - her death episode was filmed beforehand.)
am I the only one that is tickled by the irony of B'Elanna talking to Seven about interacting with others? the same B'Elanna that broke Carey's nose down in engineering BEFORE she was named chief engineer. lol
Find it odd a hologram can be physically restrained. I can only assume the Doctor lacked the permissions to disable his own tangibility and visual projection.
If he could so that, he could turn himself into a floating phaser and just drop all the Romulans (if the safety protocols are off…. if the Doctor even had safety protocols).
@@dodecahedron1 This isn't true, we see the Doctor in another episode turning off his forcefield, and then illustrates the point by asking Paris to swipe his hand through him.
When they actually implemented the emergency command hologram concept later in Voyager, it made my mind run wild with possibilities. I imagined them building a database for the doctor for engineering situations, too. I thought of how many times in TNG there was an incident in main engineering when they had to evacuate, but a hologram trained in engineering could stay to make repairs and such. I used to type out fan fiction on an old laptop, never put anything online. I made up a Constitution class ship from TOS era that was evacuated after running into a spacial anomaly, but one crewman got stuck on board and ended up inside the anomaly. It was full of ships from different time periods and quantum realities. Long, long story short, the crewman used the Starfleet tech from the different times/ realities to modify his ship, which had lost its stardrive section and was just the saucer. He turned the ship's computer into an AI like Rommie from Andromeda by using EMH tech from different wrecked ships in the void and gave it engineering and other applicable databases. I was pulling from a lot of Star Trek series as sources. Basically, the crewman was trying to get back to his quantum reality and time period and encountering whatever alternate reality variations of established Star Trek series characters/ situations along the way. That laptop died a long time ago and I lost everything I'd written on it. The writing got me through some low points in my teens and very early 20s.
@Deathinaitor I have no idea where that laptop might be today, but thank you, I really appreciate you trying to help me out like that 🖖 I've been thinking about all the stuff I wrote back then and if I could find it, I'd love to go through what I wrote and get inside my head the way it worked then. I'm sure current day me would find a lot of it embarrassing, but it'd be hell of a trip down memory lane.
If I answer your questions you will likely deactivate me anyway. So I fail to see the point. Now that was classic. Added to the fact, the doctor had no fear of death and being deactivated was, for him, like going to sleep for us.
They really missed an opportunity with this to harken back to when VOY discovered the micro-wormhole in the first season that sent communications back in time to a Romulan scientist. Judson's character could have known of the matter and this could have been his confirmation. Maybe even the female Romulan could have, seeing how unstable her commander was, come to the Doc's aid because of his seeming lack of compassion for a stranded vessel - even an "enemy" one.
I perferred Judson Scott who played the Romulan commander here, Khan's first officer in the 1982 movie Startrek II, and in the season 1 TNG episode "Symbiosis".
Actually, in the Star Trek universe, they have the Seldonis IV convention. The problem is that non-Federation worlds seem to ignore it (There are four lights).
After this incident Starfleet really could have thought about sending ships with holograms only. Imagine having a snapshot of Picard and Worf and having 50% of both on the ship. Or at least several real people and others would be holograms. Seriously that could be the future
Apparently it never interested Starfleet. Doctor Zimmerman, the Doctor's model, ridiculed what he called fears of holograms taking over when Sisko suggested hologram crews could be used if the new hologram doctor model (planned to be for long time use and expected to be Bashir-based) was a success. He said it was only for spaces where space or life support were at a premium.
@@thiagodeandrade7081 I actually was talking about more distant future, like those that kept sending 7 of 9 through different time. Still ship with people whereas they could probably remote controlling it from Earth or use holograms. It`s like people still want to die in battle like Klingons
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 It's like people still want to explore the frontier in person. Preservation of self is a subset of human selfishness, which we know is muted by the 24th century, replaced by a drive to improve oneself. And even in a further future than the 24th century, communications has still proven to not be real-time to distantly operating ships. There are a lot of issues before what you describe can be a reality, don't forget that the holo-emitter the Doctor has is tech from two centuries in the future. Two centuries ago to this year, we didn't even have commercially operating steam trains yet. And that he is the only example thus far of a fully autonomous, sentient and self-improving program, unless you count Moriarty from Enterprise D. Both arrived at their current state largely by accident. As for time travel incidents, we've rarely seen the interiors of future ships. There's no evidence to think they don't already use holograms or other artificial lifeforms to make up crew...or that they aren't as equal as any other "real" individual. Having such people perform deep space assignments while everyone takes safer postings might be like saying only men can serve as soldiers. That is something that will be decided more by cultural norms than technological capabilities, just like with the issues of gender equality.
1(!) Ship with a Photonic Disruptor, and your ship is defenseless. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Photonic_disruptor Meahwile a Hologramm can easily murder unprepared crew: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dejaren And Starfleet has a *really* poor track record with AI. Even Soong type anderoids where only 50/50.
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 "Remove Control" means "Pleases just jam our coms to take out our entire fleet". No military will be that stupid to rely entirely on remote control.
So, Starfleet thinks it's a good idea to, when faced with a biological contaminant, OPEN ALL VENTILATION, thereby ensuring the contaminant is spread throughout the ship. Good call, Starfleet.
This is the Dukes of Hazard version of Star Trek. If you play some banjo music under it, it's watchable at that level. Too bad they're not doing donuts and jumping blackholes.
0:42 Speaking to Seven about rudeness but has her back turned. I get that's more cinematic so the audience can see both faces, but from a conversational perspective..
when you think about it, Romulans wanted to get the info on the Starfleet tech but ended up gaining the information about self-conscious freely movable photons of light in the service of the Starfleet.
Big problem with this era of Star Trek is the writers trying to give all the actors screentime and giving them lines meant for other characters or that make no sense coming from that character. Marina Sirtis has a rant about this. Troi has a line explaining the Romulan starship energy source in Timescape which is for the audience's benefit and who is she speaking to? Geordi and Data. In her words 'The chief engineer and super-smart android! When did the counsellor become the expert on Romulan technology?'
Feels like a photonic being should be able to make himself non-corporeal so they can't hold him, but I don't have a PhD in photonic artificial intelligence.
The Doctor is a hologram program. Over time, he gains self-awareness. The Voyager crew developed a Mobile Emitter. When they return to the Alpha Quadrant, the Doctor is deemed a sentient being. With the precedent now set that self-aware holograms are sentient beings, and there is now an ability for them to walk around without a holodeck confining them....What does this mean for Moriarty? 🤔
The mobile emitter was a trivial trinket from the 29th century. It was presented as matter of fact in a very forgettable episode. No characters were that surprised. Their reactions were nothing more than, "oh, he can leave sick bay now."
@@gobblox38 However, in cannon, we have reason to think they can and have been reproduced. The scene with the reunion party, the Doctor arrives with a wife. Yeah, the wife is human, but the fact that Paris thinks she is a hologram until her grandfather is mentioned, indicates the idea of Holograms walking around becomes expected within 10 years of their return.
I find it really hard to believe that the Romulans know nothing about holograms gaining some semblance of sentience since it was a thing even in early TNG
Could you imagine the romulan lady's fear on hearing "Starfleet ship in delta quadrant" no doubt the thought went through her paranoid brain "Oh no Starfleet tech is way further ahead than intel suggests"
Why did The Doctor require piloting lessons? Couldn’t he have just “learned”, the way Neo learned Kung Fu or Trinity chopper operations in “The Matrix”?
I think in this very episode Seven actually has to (temporarily) remove some of the skills the Doctor has aquired (such as singing) so he could be transmitted to the Prometheus. And I don't think he could just load information from a ship he isn't even assigned to (or knows he exists) into his program on short notice without assistance.
B'Elanna Torres calling 7 of 9 rude. Hey, Pot I'd like to introduce to my good friend Kettle. Just don't call him 'black' though, he's really sensitive about his color...
@@mainmanbumfuzz8983 Alternative you can put everyone in this "fluid state", don't know how they call it in english. Like they did with some people in another episode, they were all hidden in some cargo.
@Jessica The Azu In all fairness, the random obstacles to prevent the easiest solution seems a little bit far fetched ;) They didn't even mentioned the transporters yet in another episode they used them in more or less the same way. They even showed once how some aliens were beamed into space yet this "species"-thing can not be tracked - How convenient. And how the holograms don't have some kind of backup programm in case the ship is boarded is beyond me. They are like two amateurs in every way except in medical questions.
@Jessica The Azu Well, in this case two holograms were able to retake the ship without much a a hassle WITHOUT a extra program and AGAINST the rules as it seems. That is like in between of everything . And hacking really isn't a thing in Star Trek, it's not really developed. Sometimes it seems pretty simple to override things, sometimes it's nearly impossible. There are no rules. Therefore idk how hard it would be to reprogram holograms *shrugs*
@Jessica The Azu Another thing that bugs me: With a ship full emitters, what prevents the hologram from jumping around at will, "spock move" every enemy and save the day???
@Jessica The Azu - You'd think with the enhanced Holosuite technologies, that the amount of training would increase. But it is not unusual for episodes to have shown newer recruits surprised at the Holosuite's fidelity. Luckily that's old stuff, ...in 2016 DARPA allowed 6 universities to design programs around their memory injection technology. The main theme was to create scenarios where returning soldiers could have their memories reconstructed, to help them as a therapy, but the clever people realized it also means far more efficacious killing techniques implanted. So Holosuite training, to decrease the exposure of immature recruits caught in unfamiliar situations... will be unnecessary.
@Jessica The Azu - But like I said, we are already doing direct memory injection. Also to correct your assumption about Cardassian Tech... tinyurl.com/yxsj5v5o
B'elanna was so out of character in this clip, so sensitive, whiny, indirect, and unassertive. They should have had some other character have this feelin's talk with Seven.
I know its because of the camera and stuff but its funny that Tores is talking about 7 being rude but for the last part of it she turns her back on her.
@Jessica The Azu Well besides start contrasts of narrative between the shows aside, Q did redeem a bit in his own way. Mainly being impressed by lesser beings and seeing them slightly less as play things to an extent. Discord was redeemed but never really got rid of his round about trolling and toying with... everyponys emotions. Two sides of a coin really.
It's a major failure of imagination that the concept of remotely-transmitted holographic security operatives was never further explored. Such a concept would have made a way better core idea for Star Trek Picard than a bunch of bald android slaves.
Why would the ventilation system open if there was a ship-wide biohazard? Wouldn't it shut down the ventilation system to prevent it from spreading through the ship?
BElanna a part klingon is gonna complain about 7s dedication to duty and how she barks orders?? and Shes part klingon??? she should get along great with 7
Kind of dumb on the part of the Romulans. Insulting, even. If someone had wanted to sneak a holographic program anywhere NEAR the Romulans, wouldn't it make sense for them to make the hologram LOOK like a Romulan?!
