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This list is based on who I think are THE STRONGEST characters in Repentance. If you wanna see who are my favorite characters then check out this video here - • Who is the MOST FUN Is...
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@turtier
@turtier Год назад
I watched your ab+ tier list way back, I left a long comment on it with my own placements (won't exist anymore since I remade my YT account), but I liked that list because, while its obviously a given that I wouldn't agree with every placement, I did agree with most of them, and the placements I did disagree with I could still see why you would put them where you did. In other words, there were no egregiously bad placements, which is honestly a rarity for isaac tier lists. Many isaac character tier lists are just fun rankings, and theres nothing wrong with those, but its not what I was interested in, and then when I finally find a list based on character strength, there is usually mis-info or just shocking placements. For example, a very popular character viability list for AB+ said that the lost starts with a speed upgrade, and put lost in like mid tier... he doesn't start with a speed upgrade lol. They also said even with the speed up pill, maggy is still slower than average... she's not, she reaches 1.00 speed, and in fact because you have a guaranteed identified speed up pill, she actually gains speed easier than most characters lol. Your list iirc had 1 mistake about lucky foot improving the rate at finding special items, but that is very forgivable when the rest of the list had correct facts and good logic behind the placements. Anyway, was kinda cool to get recommended this tier list way later, click on it and then immediately recognize you were the same guy who made literally the only AB+ tier list I thought was good lol. And happy to say the same is true for this list, the only real standout placements I disagree with are tlaz, which I mentioned in another comment, tlilith, who I think is in contention with teve as best character in the game, she's got azazel early game room clearing but without the weakness against late game bosses, and t???, which honestly might just be a case of me not liking the character or not finding him fun, but I think the poops are too gimmicky and overrated and is NOT worth the really bad starting tear rate and speed and only having soul hearts. I really like how you are seemingly the only person who uploads a character tier list video that understands that having extremely limited / no health will automatically make a character the worst in the game. So many people saying the lost is good, or tlost is good, or tkeeper is one I see a lot. And sure, tkeeper gets really op, tlost gets really op, but you know how many OP runs I've had die as a character with health, even say J+E? Not many, OP runs don't die easily. You know how many OP runs I've had die as tkeeper or tlost? A lot. If you can die despite having many of the best items in the game, you are an unreliable character, its really annoying that people don't seem to understand that but its nice when someone does agree with it cause sometimes I feel crazy for saying tkeeper is low tier when everyone seems to disagree lol.
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
Hey man, I'm glad to see that you enjoyed the new list! And yeah I remember your old comment, I loved responding to all of your placements. I feel you so hard on people not understanding how OP Health is in the game. No matter how OP your run is, if you only have a hit or two you can ALWAYS lose. Like how you said it was nice seeing that I understood the game, I can really tell that you do too, which is exactly why I send all these long comments responding, because even through YT comments, it feels like I'm having an actual debate with someone who loves the game as much as I do. If you liked this one then you should check out my Birthright tier list! It's just like this one where it's based on how GOOD it is rather than how much I like it. So yeah thanks for the comments!
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
...That being said I gotta respond lmao, I never see a world where T Lilith is ranked in the same tier as azazel, while yes I agree that she's better against late game bosses, she's not nearly as OP early game as azazel due to one thing...flight. Having flight on a starting character that is actually good is absolutely insane, so insane that azazel can super consistently get such op runs that it doesnt even matter that his brim is bad against late game, since you just flat out shred them by the time you get to them. Flight on a good character is what makes azazel S tier, not room clear potential.
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
tbh I don't think I'd even but T Lilith Mid A tier to this day, her lack of speed is dreadful and can be the entire run if your unlucky. And even tho theoretically she can shoot tears, it's still not as instantaneous as max blood lust samson at base stats. On top of that I dont think shes comparable to T Eve at all, T Eve is somehow easier to cheese the game with that the Isaacs, which is a CRAZY statement.
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
All I need to say about T??? is that I've done streams where I try to beat the game without any items, I've only been successful with two characters, that being tainted Beth and T???... That being said he's similar to T Judas in that he's super skill ceiling based, if you're good as him he's legit S tier, but he takes a LOT of brainpower to use effectively, so to this day I couldn't warrant putting him higher than C...I now have him to the right of T Judas lmao.
@turtier
@turtier 8 месяцев назад
@@latermanner Yeah, I will admit that T??? might be a personal bias thing. I'd say I'm pretty good at the game, but a lot of that comes from game knowledge and minmaxing. My actual skill at room clearing and bosses is... still above average for sure, but I think if you lined me up next to players of similar skill level in terms of run win%, then they'd probably be better at clearing rooms and bosses than me. For T???, I just don't really click with the poop mechanic. Not having a permanent stockpile of bombs gets me into situations where I misplay my minmaxing in ways that never happen on other characters. I mean, credit where it's due, you generally have way more potential to use bombs early game as T??? compared to other characters. But my desire to minmax everything means I always want to have bombs ready, and if I'm trying to stockpile bombs, then I can't use the poops for combat... so it starts to feel like I'm literally just playing a character with bad stats, bad health, a weird bomb situation that seems to nerf my minmaxing, and the very occasional super powerup on a boss. If we again lined me up to other players of my skill level, I think my relative skill as T??? would be pretty low to everyone else lol, I could definitely see my opinion changing one day if I get more practice with the character. Also for TLilith, I think I put more value on characters not having a glaring weakness, rather than looking at a big strength. For Azazel, flight is definitely an amazing perk, but I think the lack of range feels more impactful to me (if that makes it sound like I like TAzazel more... haven't thought about it too much recently, but yes, probably, although you still technically have low range if you want to do max damage). Meanwhile, TLiliths only real weakness she has compared to other characters is speed... and I think it's not too big of a deal, you can usually increase it, you should be fine as long as you don't get an early speed down. So she feels like a character with massive upside and not too big of a downside, while Azazel feels like massive upside with a downside that you are usually stuck with the entire run, which knocks him down a little for me. Even TEve, as busted as she is, and she still might be best character anyway, but she does have one semi-big downside I think, which is that end game bosses can kill your clots really fast. I had a run once where I went to mother with an army of clots and full health, she annihilated all of them very fast, and it only just then dawned on me that my run was... actually quite weak. The clots were hard carrying me through the whole run, so I didn't realise that my actual stats and items weren't that powerful. I still won, but it went from "busted OP easy run" to "ok I actually need to focus for this fight". Although you could definitely make the argument that, if I was any other character, that the run wouldn't have made it to mother at all lol, so maybe it's not really a downside of the character at all. Still, in that same situation as other characters, I at least would of had double fire rate + any other perks that character normally comes with. I will admit it's a pretty minor point against TEve but it did almost kill me once so I'll forever remember it. Meanwhile, TLilith is busted out of the box, and the game does catch up to her burst damage a bit, but it usually doesn't matter by that point.
@Espressosss
@Espressosss Год назад
I think maggie is very strong in the early game because you can get 2 angel items on b1 without entering any room outside the sac room
@Kro-RissaVirus
@Kro-RissaVirus Год назад
There’s some absolutely spicy hot takes on this list but I respect it tbh. Especially in a game like this, everyone’s gonna have different opinions on what they find fun and not fun to play.
@Taakothegamer
@Taakothegamer 4 месяца назад
ended up watching every recent vid from you in five days so now i'm all the way a year back lol, nothing like winding down after work with a good scotch and hour long isaac list
@Phin_Tarr
@Phin_Tarr 7 месяцев назад
LAZARUS FINALLY BECAME GOOD!!! LETS GOOOO! Amazing video man, keep making great content!
@Fancy-Dead-Man
@Fancy-Dead-Man 5 месяцев назад
Putting lost in d tier is diabolical you get free flight, free curse rooms, spectral tears, free devil room, free perfection, and a 2 charge d6
@malakai1140
@malakai1140 5 месяцев назад
And only 1hp and no way to "heal" yourself except some specific items that you'll never find in 50 runs, trashtier is good for him (and "free curse rooms" only if you don"t get hit by a stupid ennemy and no way to extract you from this room)
@HyperKryst
@HyperKryst 5 месяцев назад
​@@malakai1140 sounds like skill issue
@vandakarabeyan899
@vandakarabeyan899 5 месяцев назад
@@malakai1140well if you spend like 20 hours grinding on greedmode to unlock mantle for him he can take multiple hits than just 1 and becomes a pretty good character
@dragonfish5729
@dragonfish5729 4 месяца назад
​@@malakai1140First of all, the Lost has holy mantle. And most of the time it saves the run, which makes it less punishing. Second of all, skill issue. Also, for some reason Lost has a better generation of items. I get a q4 per run. I got ipecac, polyphemus, pyromaniac, cricket's head all in one day, but on separate runs. That has never happened to me before, and it can't be a coincidence either. So, if you can't win with good items, that is really just a you problem.
@airsoft_cartman
@airsoft_cartman 3 месяца назад
​@@malakai1140skill issue
@turtier
@turtier Год назад
I think you might have misunderstood tlaz a bit, flip doesn't give you an option like tisaac does, because you actually get to take both items if you have the charge. It basically makes every item room like a J+E alt path item room, except the 2nd item isn't blind and also it can be used in shops, angel rooms, secret room, and devil deals. In devil deals (and shops too), you only need to pay for one side of the items, so you can buy them all, flip, and get a whole set of devil items for free. Because you actually get both items, you don't have a 50/50 item split compared to normal characters, because you are able to take extra items. Also, the dead lazarus form (the one that starts with soul hearts) has an inherent 1.5x damage multiplier, which is higher than Judas' damage multiplier, and equal with the magic mush damage multiplier. Additionally, many utility / support items work between both forms. The character definitely appreciates minmaxing and they are GOD AWFUL for boss rush / hush marks, but if I'm not going for a rush mark then I find this character is easily a B tier at worst imo. I kinda see them as the J+E double character gimmick, but done well. Although before the flip buff, where it literally was just a straight 50/50 item split with no advantage, you could honestly make a very strong argument for them being the worst character in the game, I have no idea how I completed all their completion marks pre buff lol (I def found tjacob easier and tlost I think I technically had more total deaths but since those runs die faster I'm pretty sure that overall tlost took me less time).
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
Having now completed a Dead God file, I can confidently say that I still agree with my spot for T Laz, I've always known how he works but the fact of the matter is that you are NEVER getting as many items on one of the laz forms as you do on any other character ever. Flip is a god tier item on a character worse than lost. The only things that T Laz has is the 1.5x dmg multiplier on only half the time, the best birthright in the game by far, and the POTENTIAL for the highest health in the game (assuming you fill up both laz forms health pools and flip mid boss fight). His early game is waaaay too grindy and luck based for rush challenges to rank him any higher.
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
Also more importantly J+E is now C tier in my mind, he literally gets double items in alt path unlike T laz only getting 0.7 items for each form.
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
If Flip was a 4 room charge item on him rather than 6 I'd probs bring him up a tier, but 6 is very stiff, without grind you just arent getting those items on both forms 100% of the time, and again even if you did, that's not double items, its jut normal items that point, since its not like J+E where you attack with both at the same time (unless you get god tier birthright ofc)
@turtier
@turtier 8 месяцев назад
@@latermanner You do technically still get less items, but if you consider the damage multiplier being up half the time, you can treat it like a 1.25x all the time. I treat items a similar way, I consider the items being at half strength, but you get more items. Some items work on both forms, so that would be a full strength item. So I see it as, weaker items, but you get more of them, and a 25% damage multiplier, I feel like it kinda cancels out. Additionally, while you might not get double items directly... you always do SEE both. If tainted isaac has taught me anything, it's that seeing 2 items each time is completely overpowered, even if you can only take 1. It's definitely not as powerful as the tisaac effect, since it only works on certain pedestals, and you always need to spend the charge on the 2nd item, but still, having the knowledge of the extra item can be huge. And the double health at the end of the run actually does help quite a lot sometimes. But placement does really depend on how much weighting rush marks get in placement. Because yeah rush marks as TLaz are miserable. I tend to give very little weighting to rush marks when placing characters, since if I'm going to try getting a win streak or something, it won't require rush marks, so in that criteria TLaz being so bad at rushing doesn't bring him down much.
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
@@turtier I weight the characters based on how easy they are to complete all marks with, which is why base lilith is as high as she is being the best greed mode character by far
@NinyaBOT
@NinyaBOT 5 месяцев назад
im shocked forgotten is so low, i love him, he's my main in most runs, id argue his health isnt cut in half as long as u really know how to utilize his halves equally- fighting delirium was suuper fun figuring out when to switch when i only had 1 heart per side (died with 9 lives- funny thing was,,, the first fight with him was my first death, and he killed me during his death animation. I was so pissed)
@infernyx_
@infernyx_ 5 месяцев назад
this is so real i love the forgor and i also hate delirium
@vandakarabeyan899
@vandakarabeyan899 5 месяцев назад
Forgotten is like one of the most fun characters in isaac. His unlocks might not be that good but in general hes one of the most funnest characters in isaac imo, which is why hes one of my favorites.
@NinyaBOT
@NinyaBOT 5 месяцев назад
@@vandakarabeyan899 same, I’ll confess I might be a madman when it comes to my favs to play because I just recently unlocked both Jacob and Esau and then tainted Jacob and tainted Jacob is a blast for me but I hear a lot of people call him the worst character The worst character in my opinion would have to be tainted Cain, the crafting system is interesting but I just really can’t be bothered to learn how to use it I also imagine like almost every tainted Cain run has to be the same to a lot of people, if you know how to craft specific items then you’re always gonna go for them and not have a randomized mix run which is the appeal of Isaac to me- to have to work with what ur given
@infernyx_
@infernyx_ 5 месяцев назад
@@vandakarabeyan899 even then they arent horrible. bone spurs, brittle bones, and divorce papers are all good to have. not to mention marrow and of course bone hearts. of course theyre no c section or d6, but theyre still good to see.
@vandakarabeyan899
@vandakarabeyan899 5 месяцев назад
@@infernyx_ that is true he does have pretty good unlocks
@TheSpiritedFendron
@TheSpiritedFendron 6 месяцев назад
Maggy since you can start with potentially 3 angel items on the first floor and it's not even close
@garbotoxin_enthusiast
@garbotoxin_enthusiast 5 месяцев назад
I would say lost goes in B next to Cain. He gets free curse rooms, free devil deals, and eternal D6 removes all the bad items from the pool, because when you reroll something, it’s a bad item you don’t want like breakfast, so you either gain a better item, or lose an item that would have done nothing
@meatball347
@meatball347 2 месяца назад
But its still hard to play which Is what the list Is about
@lolllymollly9769
@lolllymollly9769 2 года назад
Weird how to rated the forgotten so low, but most tier lost rate him really high up.
@fozymilograno
@fozymilograno Год назад
Indeed. Tainted Forgotten is top tier.
@justinwallace4688
@justinwallace4688 2 месяца назад
I personally would put Bethany at S tier. I save up all my soul hearts for all the final bosses and it makes it an easy win
@the_real_dalton_oats
@the_real_dalton_oats Год назад
Good list! Never considered that samson is actually pretty strong, used to think he wasn't that good
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
Yeah! Having Child's heart and more health really makes him super strong
@hatientacetlen4246
@hatientacetlen4246 Год назад
I think you messed up with Tainted Cain, you admitted yourself that while you don't find it fun and it taking hours he is completely broken and objectively the most powerful. You don't even need a crafting guide or EID, with random crafting you will still get so many items your stats and tears will go goofy and with them you become a god who spends half an hour on each floor after clearing it.
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
Without EID or a guide he is not nearly as strong as T Eve, the Isaacs, and Azazel. With it hes a whole tier above. It's not like T Eve where you could literally beat the whole run without any items, you need need to spend a ton of time in runs grinding pickups. Which makes his Hush, Boss Rush, and Delirium incredibly difficult. His speedrun achievements are absolutely his biggest downfall
@Kro-RissaVirus
@Kro-RissaVirus Год назад
@@latermanner There’s a work around for T Cain on the speedrun bosses though. Just take the time you need to craft together an insane OP run and then craft yourself a Mama Mega to blast open the Boss rush or Hush door regardless of the timer.
@OldandAbandonedHarcorte
@OldandAbandonedHarcorte 5 месяцев назад
ayo Tainted Eve lesssss gooooooo I love her too
@Tar_Pick_Piano
@Tar_Pick_Piano 5 месяцев назад
The forgotten is at least in A tier
@Mr._N.
@Mr._N. 2 месяца назад
Meet The Hush na na na naaaaa tf2 reference
@hatientacetlen4246
@hatientacetlen4246 Год назад
1:01:00 How many hearts can you have? I've been playing too much lost XD
@sebbystm7176
@sebbystm7176 Год назад
Can you make timestamps for when you rank/discuss characters?
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
Imma be honest, I don't know how lol
@HyperKryst
@HyperKryst 5 месяцев назад
Biggest crimes in this video: T. Keeper and Lost being so low T. Keeper runs are insane, on average you get more items than with any other character, you just need a bit of luck. Even with average luck, since the shops give you a bunch of options that you can choose from, you usually still get decent items for the run. Not only that, but you get quadruple shot for free. Only negative is his coin hearts and low fire rate, but still great character. Lost is great in general, free devil deals is amazing as well as free curse rooms. Free flight comes a long way, really helpful in a run. Spectral tears are a nice bonus too. Eternal d1 is a great item too, though it can blow up in your face if you don't have good luck. Sure, he can die easily, but I genuinely feel like all those bonuses make it worth it (especially when you are already proficient at Isaac and can easily avoid any non-bullshitty damage). Unpopular opinions: T. Jacob is actually pretty good, the only problem with him is that you need to pay attention constantly which can be annoying. The positives are pretty great: free devil deals or flight by just deliberately changing into ghost form, additional damage from esau, above average character stats. His birthright is horrid though. Jacob and Esau are good too, they deal insane damage from the beginning since they are two characters at once. When you only choose alt paths, you get insane amounts of items, since you can choose the two options simultaneously. The only negative is that you need to ration hp ups which usually come from boss rooms amongst the characters as well as other hp ups and soul/black hearts. Its so easy sometimes to be in a situation where one character has a lot of hp while the other is almost dying, which fucks up the run. Outside of that, he performs pretty good. Popular opinion: T. Lazarus should be at the bottom of the list, the most annoying character in the game
@turtier
@turtier 5 месяцев назад
Being proficient at the game actually makes the lost and tainted keeper relatively worse. It's not because they themselves get worse, it's just that every other character gets better at a way faster rate. I once wanted to get some data on what my win rates were on certain characters. I would do 5 mother runs on a character and then rotate to the next character. The end result was that I had no meaningful data cause I had 100% winrate on almost every character. I stopped testing before doing everyone but I DID do the lost and iirc I got like 2/5? The reason is that every other character has way more leeway. I can still win on other characters even with a bad run (during my streak I particularly remember a blue baby run that was very close), but as the lost it's more likely that you just die. Tainted keeper has the same issue. He's more likely to get a busted good run, but the problem is that this won't happen every time. When you get a below average tainted keeper run, it hurts way more than getting a bad run on anyone else. Any character with low max health just has that inherent inconsistency which makes them bottom tier on a list that cares about winning (such as this one).
@CheezyBois998
@CheezyBois998 2 месяца назад
here is where my opinion on tainted Isaac will be, until I have unlocked him. This is from what I’ve seen. I hate him, with all of my heart. You sacrifice rerolling multiple times to reroll every item you find back and forth. And that itself makes Tainted Isaac a nerf, with less room to hold items anyways. This is my opinion on him FOR NOW, so no critique. Only once I unlock him will I update the comment.
@FirstLast-mn4re
@FirstLast-mn4re 5 месяцев назад
I honestly think Jacob and Esau is really fun, literally just go alt path but don't go to corpse and take Angel deals. Double items can lead to some vert strong runs. There are absolutely some really awkward situations you can get in with desyncs, especially if one has flight and the other doesn't, but I think the character is a very cool concept and decently fun to play. (Greedier mode is a BITCH though)
@meatball347
@meatball347 2 месяца назад
Yeah but the list Is about how hard It is
@tant_necromant2757
@tant_necromant2757 4 месяца назад
Judas gets 8.71 damage with Belial at the start AND gets a x1.35 damage for the entire run. Samson has 9.5 damage if he gets hit 6 times and no damage multiplier. I think putting him above Judas is wrong, considering Judas also gets deal chance Blue baby now gets devil deals way cheaper, so I would even say they are better for him. I dunno if it was changed before or after this video, but I would still point that out. Still I would call him a D tier character because you basically can't use blood donations, devil beggars, curse rooms and sacrifice rooms are not as worth it.
@aidenation101
@aidenation101 Год назад
T. Judas I believe is one of, if not the strongest character in the game. I honestly believe a good enough player can go a whole run without getting hit because of Dark Arts. Maybe I’m overselling him, but I’ve had runs that got all the way to Mother or Delirium that had no right of getting there, let alone winning, all because of Dark Arts as a get out of jail free card every few seconds
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
honestly I agree, but he's definitely skill ceiling, it's like how T cain is theoretically the most insane but it just requires way too much grind
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
for most players red hearts are much more useful than the invincibility in terms of game cheese
@jaotrx7163
@jaotrx7163 2 месяца назад
Someone can explain me the samson tier and xharacter overall. I dont get that character.
@waelfie
@waelfie Месяц назад
samson having relatively high red health and getting pretty significant damage up from losing health means that he has a consistent damage output for most of the game without the aid of items. This means he's a lot safer to play and isn't as affected by bad RNG as most characters are. His kit doesn't come with any major gamebreaking potential but this list seems to mostly be on how easy it would be to win any seed with the character
@NotherButter
@NotherButter Год назад
wait a second, forgotten has 2 bone hearts, which is 6 hit points??? how is that half a health bar?
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
I meant in context to that he can't game cheese with actual red hearts, red health is only as op as it is for cheese, not for extra hits
@loidviera2140
@loidviera2140 7 месяцев назад
how you rank tainted keeper that low, he's S tier, you can break the game with a single item (steam sale), recover heath by killing enemies, he starts with quad shot, and barely infinite sac rooms, just broken af
@lazybones8962
@lazybones8962 5 месяцев назад
Quite possibly the worst take ever was made with T.Keeper in this video
@yomireal7570
@yomireal7570 5 месяцев назад
Same reason lost is so low, high risk high reward character, you die very easily
@CesarTorres-zk3ek
@CesarTorres-zk3ek 2 месяца назад
@@yomireal7570 you dont die very easily with neither of those characters, with the lost you can get hit 1 time per room, thats broken as hell, you cannot die unless you are terrible at the game, unless you are weak against like delirium or mother, 1 hit per room is more than enough, and tkeeper can get hit multiple times as long as he can kill the enemies and recover the health in money, the only weak character in this game in terms of glass canon is tlost, and even then, he can be pretty good as long as you are lucky with the room rng to not get a terrible layout or if you are getting more holy cards I honestly diagree with most of this list, Tlilith is like a top 5 broken character, you cannot lose at the first floors with her, as well as tforgotten, he is like a top 7 character, highest base damage, he starts with like 10 hits worth of health, he can pseudo fly, get guaranteed pacts and can even use himself as a shield
@nivdy
@nivdy 3 месяца назад
I absolutely have disagreements in this video (I think lost is actually arguably top tier due to being able to take a hit once per room) but overall respect your options.
@meatball347
@meatball347 2 месяца назад
Its about how hard It is and its just the most difficult character when comparing It to the others
@bonkersTwoThousand
@bonkersTwoThousand 4 месяца назад
Maggy is busted if you have a first flor sac room
@5ithdimensiontv442
@5ithdimensiontv442 Год назад
Judas Is Also Top Tier In Greed
@hatientacetlen4246
@hatientacetlen4246 Год назад
J+E I think isn't as bad as you gave them credit, at least you putting them below ??? as they have a high damage output, access to red hearts and double the capacity for active items, trinkets and consumables. Twice the hitbox and getting used to controlling both is definitely a disadvantage but it's outweighed by the advantages. At least compared with the advantage of flies from poop against having no red health. Love to ??? and J+E
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
I could definitely see this argument, although I think its waaaaaay easier to get a broken run when you don't have to split items up, even if youre going alt path with JE you still only get an itme for each half of the time, maybe if they got two items from bosses then I'd agree
@maia3205
@maia3205 Год назад
Hi! This was a pretty fun video to watch while playing isaac, but i do disagree strongly with a lot of your points. (Also you make way too big of a deal about having red hearts, most of the time you're trying to preserve the few soul hearts you have to preserve devil/angel chances, so the red hearts don't matter that much, mostly for IV/Sacrifice/Devil Beggars, which are all important, but it's a fair tradeoff for some characters. Because of that you underrated most of the soul heart characters) Maggy: 2:02 That's a crazy statement to me, starting with a full health pill allows you to easily abuse the first sacrifice room you find, potentially getting 2 angel items with only her starting items and maybe a complete angel key + soul hearts, if you can get enough heart pickups and charges is insanely good. Also, starting with a health pill means that every later one you find is already identified, meaning you can easily do it again later. Cain: I think he should be at least A tier. Starting with 2 health is really not a big deal, and you forgot to mention that he starts with an 1.2x multiplier. Judas: I agree, but Book of Belial increases both Devil and Angel chances, so with his 1 health and angel meta, I would argue that he's more of an angel character. Samson: That's incredibly overrating Samsom. Bloody lust is a good item, don't get me wrong, but it's really not much compared to what other characters have. 6:21 Bloody lust caps at a flat +6 damage after 12 stacks, meaning at best you're getting to 9.5 without any items, if you can find and IV machine of similar. Judas, because of his 1.35x inherent damage multiplier and Book of Belial, can get to 8.71 without anything else, so I wouldn't describe that as much higher, as Judas scales way better because of the multiplier. Blue Baby: He gets Devil deals with normal prices but with soul hearts. He's much better at using them, as soul hearts are much easier to find than heart containers. Having no red hearts is not great because no IV/Devil Beggars, but you're definetly making it seem much worse than it actually is. Apollyon: tbh, that's the reason I'm writing this. Void is an absolutely crazy item, using it on active items is almost always bad, you correctly identified that having 6 charges means you can't efecctively use them, so you're better off only using it on passive items. Some math for you, there are 6 stats affected by void, so the chance you're getting a tears up/damage is (1 - (4/6 * 3/5)) = 3/5. So there's a 60% chance you're getting a +1 Damage or +0.5 Tears up, which is an average quality 3 item AND another stat up, so most of the time void is like rerolling any item you find, including shop items, into an stapler/screw or potentially better, it's incredibly consistent, he can be a bit boring cause you'll have a lot of stats and not many effects, but he's definetly incredibly strong. Also, tears up from void ignores the hard cap at 5, meaning you can easily reach 6/7 tears in an average apollyon run if you're playing properly. Lilith: I think you underrated Cambian Conception, it's not hard to get 2 or 3 procs out of it on a run, and if you get Incubus/Twisted Pair, it's just a free win, so (1 - (6/8 * 5/7 * 4/6)) ~ 64% chance, and that's even ignoring Demon Baby, Succubus and Lil Abadddon which are all A+ Tier items, especially with Box of Friends. Also, BFFs! is just a straight up better Cricket's Head for her, she's easily A tier without considering greed mode because who cares. Lost: I don't know how you can put him on D, he obviously has a lot going for him - Early Flight/Spectral, Eternal D6, Free devil deals, curse rooms, boss challenge rooms - If you correctly path, Basement I > Basement II > Downpour II > Caves II > Mines II > Mausoleum I/II, you get roughly 4 more boss items, 1 knife familiar, 1 or 2 treasure room items, depending if you choose to reroll your first knife piece. Having mantle is most of the time all you need until the late game bosses, and you get much stronger than average until reaching that point. He's definetly not bottom tier, I would say at least a B. J+E: I agree, they suck so bad lol. T. Isaac: I think he's slightly better than normal Isaac, cause you have your active item slot is freed up, and its easier to find his birthright, but your analysis was pretty fair, I can see it going both ways. T. Maggy: I Think you are not giving her enought credit. Self damage sinergies are incredibly good for her, you don't lose devil/angel chances unless you take damage on your first 2 hearts, IV/Sacrifice are much easier with her, especially getting blood bags, and her boss damage is not as bad as you make it seem if your using the hugs properly. T. Apollyon: Your analysis is completly right, but his definetly not better that his regular counterpart, he's really good, but not better. T. Lazarus: Ok, they are not a strong character, and I would say they are the hardest characters to play - correctly splitting items and hearts, managing flip charges, and playing with limited items, can be really tough - but I wouldn't say they are that bad. T. Judas: There's a reason he can't have red hearts. Dark Arts it's not just a massive damage up, it's invincibility, AoE damage, positioning, free curse rooms, and did I say it's invincibility? he's incredibly strong, if you would have to play a run with no items, T. Judas is definetly the one, there are a lot of videos of people beating hush/delirium exactly with this condition. T. Jacob: Dark Esau ignores boss armor, which means he does an absurd amount of damage from early to late game, if you're playing it properly he's really strong even with no items, you also get free devil deals by intentionallygetting hit by Esau. Also, I don't mean anything I wrote in a hostile way at all, I just have a particular distaste for saying that this is an objective list, as every opinion you hold is colored by your own experiences and biases, and I think is better to be open about them instead of pretending to be objective. Great work nonetheless :)
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
oooooooooh now this is a meaty comment, loving it
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
First off I full heartedly agree that soul hearts are better than red health, however many having the option to have both is objectively WAAAAAY stronger than only having soul hearts, Blood donation machines, devil beggers, devil deals, sacrifice rooms, cursed rooms, blood lust, tons and tons and TONS of items only work good with red health. While soul hearts also have their own HUGE benefits, the only character who can't have soul health is Bethany, who in Hindsight I think is a tier too high, thanks to her reliance on getting a decent active item and it being kind of difficult to get your angel deals with soul heart health.
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
I actually really like your Maggy point! I've never thought to use full health on first floor sacrifice room but thats free mega satan and angel items. huge fan of this arguement so I think I'd move her to right below Tainted Cain. I still slightly prefer the speed pill but I fully understand that full health is far better late game, i just hate starting off so slow lol
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
I agree that Cain deserves A tier but the highest he'd go is above Eve, so his spot doesn't change too much
@latermanner
@latermanner Год назад
I still think with the help of childs heart that samson would be far easier to solo the game than Judas, not only is the damge higher but it's for EVERY ROOM rather than just the boss with book of belial. Plus if we are using the arguements of no items than Samson stomps judas because no healths ups means judas just dies in one hit the whole run if no soul hearts. without childs heart i might put samson below judas, but even then blood lust is still a far better item than book of belial just for consistency
@creeching
@creeching 2 месяца назад
this has gotta be the worst Isaac tier list I've ever seen in my life
@creeching
@creeching 2 месяца назад
the lost and T keeper are S tier and putting azazel and Lazarus (baby mode for new players, few perks for experienced ones) in S tier makes it seem like you've barely touched the game
@Mephil
@Mephil Год назад
Cain is my fav char so far
@phantom26x
@phantom26x Год назад
not my content but extemely cool channel, hope u grow good homie
@silasnebulous4533
@silasnebulous4533 2 месяца назад
T keeper that low?
@Mongoliantiger
@Mongoliantiger 2 месяца назад
Bethany should be S tier and Azazel b tier, lost should be atleast a tier. Bethany is by far the easiest character to break outside d6 Isaac and azazel isnt nearly as good as he was in rebirth because his range is ass and the game has so much more enemies that fk you on close range. Lost is just a skillcheck
@infernyx_
@infernyx_ 5 месяцев назад
t lost in garbo btw..?
@anstorner
@anstorner 3 месяца назад
You can get more busted runs with him, but only being able to be hit 2 times its the double edge dagger, so if u arent lazy mattman or someone extremely skilled u arent going to make it far 99% of runs that have good items
@infernyx_
@infernyx_ 3 месяца назад
@@anstorner thats fair. i have a hard time playing him just bc im bad at the game but i did beat the beast with him (dumb luck) so i could unlock sacred orb
@gydalf9490
@gydalf9490 Год назад
Tainted laz isn't that bad with flip. Strangely fun
@latermanner
@latermanner 8 месяцев назад
Maybe fun but not good
@hg5172
@hg5172 4 месяца назад
Tainted Forgotten fans are seething rn
@hatientacetlen4246
@hatientacetlen4246 Год назад
Cain appreciation gang
@SparklecareHospital
@SparklecareHospital Год назад
this tierlist has to be a joke jesus (also pretty based tbh)
@Eshiiiii
@Eshiiiii 2 месяца назад
Como dicen todos, Beth deberia see tier S
@NotherButter
@NotherButter Год назад
ayo 200th sub (:
@GooseBibleTunes
@GooseBibleTunes 3 месяца назад
This is a flaberghastingly horible tearlist
@meatball347
@meatball347 2 месяца назад
Its about how hard the character Is if you didn't notice and what do you think wrong about it
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