Who killed Jon Arryn? - the plot explained (spoilers s4) 

Right me to game of thrones is definitely a show you need to watch twice

same here

me too, I watched it with my sister and she explained everything to me.

Same couldn't even remember most of their names lol

@@ellgeee7376 names were the most difficult part for me lmao

"Stinkfinger" (as I like to call him) is the most dangerous scheming c**t in all of Westeros. Now that Walder Frey is toast, Littlefinger might be wiped out or remain an ally of the Starks. We'll have to wait next season, I suspect he's a dead man though, if they ever find out the truth about his scheming against Jon Arryn...

+excalibur2112 And Sansa potentially overheard this truth. So Sansa knows LF and Lyza's plot. She also witnessed Petyr murder Lyza. She knows that he is involved in Joffrey's murder. Sansa is an asset and a threat to Petyr.

Wendy Snow Well Lyza did try to murder Sansa out of jealousy...

excalibur2112 I'm hoping Arya gets wind of Littlefinger's betrayal to Ned. It would be sweet if she gets the kill

Wendy Snow Definitely.

@defAngel She wasn't innocent. She was the one telling Petyr to get rid of Jon. When Ned confronts her about it, she even admits it in her own words.

@@jollyquinn430 You are wrong on this part. Littlefinger did this on his own to start a war between Stark and Lannisters to get more power.

Petyr and Lisa Arryn, who seemed minor characters at first, started something so big and bloody

Martin Christian Aguilar exactly D&D are not capable of pulling of anything remotely close to this

@@justinshalu8034 S7 and S8 felt just like a typical american blockbuster production compared to the early ones....

look how they massacred my boi CIA :(

Martin Christian Aguilar I’m still emotionally scarred by s8... watching these old videos to recuperate

Aisha Artz while I go back to watching Breaking Bad.

Eddard in S8: "at least Jon Arryn possessed genitals."

Eddard in season 8 to Cersie: I don't want it, you are Ma Queen 🙄😑

In S8 Eddard would have teleport powers and would magically appear in Winterfell again.

@@cleonpierre7969 k

@@cleonpierre7969 nooooooooooooooooooooooo

Don't think it took people that long. People have been whining about the last few seasons since they were released, especially season 8

Martin was obviously thinking of "I, Claudius" when he designed Pycelles character.

Go Fish a

Cersei's evil thing was just her having kids with Jaime while passing them off as Robert's children. Joffrey, as a child born from incest, was psychopathically insane and that was how Ned was killed. Even with all the machinations of Littlefinger, if Joffrey had been somewhat sane, he would've kept his promise not to kill Ned Stark when he apologized for his "treason". But Joffrey, insane as he was, chopped off Ned's head on a whim, thereby starting the calamities of GoT.

@@continuousself-improvement1879 I think its hinted he killed Ned because he thought it was a show of strength that Robert would have approved of.

@@will2brown50Which shows he knows his father well, but then not at all. A person to Robert as close as it gets? He’d never. A traitor he doesn’t care about, chop it goes.

And it will even get into the books

@@Garother I don't think so, unless Martin gets lobotomized.

@@Garother no it won't

@@stefthorman8548 yes it will. The final seasons weren't just done by random writers, it was still from a grrm outline. Sure it'll have for detail, but the shows actual plot IS the novel ending

​@@themorganrobertsongrrm's writing is far superior to D&D's, I am sure whatever we get in the books, will make sense, also grrm stated that the finale in the book isn't the same as the show's

Honestly as much as I appreciate the plot, I've come to hate how unrealistic it is. The timings and things working out are way too convenient for most of this to even happen. For instance how is Robert so unaware that joffrey tommen and myrcella are not his true children? And surely stannis would have thought of a better way to inform his brother? Why would stannis only tell one person. And even if the information did somehow reach Robert to be true, and cersei and Jaime received justice accordingly, how, in any way, would that help stannis in his claim? Robert could just wed another of a great house and father heirs...

Praelyx stannis only found out after ned told him. So he never had the chance to inform king robert. As littlefinger said in the end of the video, he profits from chaos. He created this chaos in order to climb the "ladder" since all the lords and ladies were too busy mourning or celebrating jon's death.

@@marciomoreira3165 ok another thing if you don't mind, why would stannis have his suspicions in the first place? What were his goals exactly? Let's say stannis (or someone through him) was able to convince Robert about the truth regarding his children. Jaime and cersei get punished, and likely Robert marries a new suitable wife similar to the power cerseis family had. They would make children who would then be heirs to the throne.. in my eyes stannis wanted to uncover the truth about Roberts children so he could have a better claim to the throne.. but that seems kinda illogical given what I just said. So I guess my main question is what were stannis motivations because they seem unclear to me

Well, Stannis was allways a very honorable man so I don't think that he intended to claim the throne in any way before robert's death. He only started caring about his claim after rob died and also because his younger brother renly proclaimed himself king. If robert wouldn't have died I believe he wouldn't even care about rob's bastard heirs.

@@marciomoreira3165 ok, understandable, but what about before Robert died, when he told Jon arryn to investigate the truth about Roberts and cerseis children; what was the motivation? I feel like had he not done so, it would have prevented, or at least make it more difficult for the Lannisters to take control

Robert Baratheon : lack of heir

joffrey "baratheon": lack of air

Ned Stark: lack of head

Viserys Targaryen: golden head

Cersei Lannister: lack of space

and he got None. Hope the cunt (character) dies but...it's GoT. He will probably end up on the iron throne.

Do people STILL not realize after 6 seasons that Littlefinger is the hero of this story? You do understand that monarchy, feudalism, and conservatism towards middle age values is HORRIBLE for society right? LF is actively looking to destroy this world and build one where love, merit, and trade override birth, class-ism, and entitlement. "In a better world where love could overcome duty..." "If you want to build a better world, you must first demolish the old one" The world he lives in isn't worth saving as we know from history. It needs to be destroyed and a better world needs to be created where those of low birth buy high IQ can thrive without needing to murder their way to recognition...like the modern Western World. Expect LF to die a tragic death in the 2nd to last episode of the series and in the final episode for it to be revealed that he did everything that he did to tear down this terrible world and achieve the iron throne in order to dissolve it and bring democracy to Westeros in Severus Snape esque swerve with Cat playing the role of Lily and Sansa playing the role of Harry.

Well that's an interesting theory lol

yeah but snape didn't want to fuck harry

I'm joking but i mean that's a really weird parallel, you have to admit...

Two of them, if I’m remembering right

It was so sad. He was one of the best written characters. He even got a warning from brann, and you're telling me he didn't run?

dungeons and dragons?

Nope its actually really good, its because bran can see things and saw what petyr did if bran didn't interfere littlefinger would be still alive

I think LF's initial plan was: He wanted to save Sansa, bring her to the Vale and marry Lysa. Hide out there while the Stark-Lannister wars went on and be a good father to Sansa. Plot the murder of Lysa and blame it on someone else there (like he does in the book) and then take control of the Vale via Robin. Then commit the Vale to ride to the Stark's defense as Lysa refused to do (on orders from Petyr) to make it look like he was faithful to the Starks. Use the Vale forces to defeat the Lannisters, but ensure Robb Stark dies in the conflict. That leaves the Iron Throne open, himself as the patriarch of the Vale and no male heir for the North. He would use his father-daughter relationship with Sansa and the riding in to "save" the Starks to convince Cat to marry him and then arrange the marriage of Sansa to Robin (his daughter and son by law with the blood lines of Stark, Tully, and Arryn between them) to sit Robin on the Iron Throne, while he serves as Hand and Regant. Petyr would have Cat, the North, the Vale, and the Riverlands (revenge against the Starks, Arryns, and Tully patriarchs who he feels wronged him). Robin and Sansa as King and Queen would be his faithful surrogate children/puppets, and he would be the power behind the throne like Tywin was. When Cat died, he had to shift Sansa from his daughter role to his love interest role and himself to be King instead of Robin and just use Robin to help his machinations in consolidating the North, Vale, and Riverlands. I still think Petyr would prefer to be the power behind the throne rather than on the throne, so I think his ultimate plan now is to get Sansa on the throne and he will play that off as him "sacrificing the throne for her" to try to win her over.

+Ay Yo GREAT summary. I almost completely agree with you - except I do believe he always wanted to sit on the throne. He just knows that any obvious contender for the throne is in constant danger, so he wants to stay in the shadows until he has annihilated absolutely anyone who would object to his coronation.

SelvesteSand I'm not entirely sure he wants to sit on the throne because he is smart enough to know he would never be able to completely eliminate all threats (as he himself knows being a threat in the shadows after Robert Baratheon thought he had done the same in eliminating all). As such I think he just wants to control everything from behind the scenes forever. Also to him the game is actually more interesting than the prize at the end itself. I think he would be bored actually sitting on the throne and ruling. Instead he has been constantly mentoring Sansa and putting pictures in her mind about how she deserves power because he wants to seat her on the throne and rule, while he can be her King consort and hand and run everything in the shadows and have her complete trust and devotion. It would allow him to keep playing the game even after climbing to the top of the ladder (what he was born to do) and also constantly look out for and neutralize threats to Sansa's claim, and hence fulfill his desire to be her "savior/protector" the way he could never be to her mother.

+ Ay Yo I just realized he can sit on the throne without being king; we've often seen Tywin sit on it as Joffrey's representative. That might be exactly what he wants - the ultimate power but without the title "king". I'm not sure he'd be bored ruling - that's hard to tell - but if he will, I'm not sure he has realized that yet. :P

+Ay Yo Oh, there's more to your comment than what showed up in my e-mail notification. I think king consort would be perfect for him. That or whatever he is to the Vale as Robin's stepfather. The person in power but not the person you need to kill for a coup. As long as he doesn't have the title "king", he can survive a coup.

crystalDM96 I'm happy you like it!! :) Please feel free to share the link to my video around you if you know people who are curious about this plot ^^

CerseiDM hey can you go to Season 2, 3 , 4 and 5 and do some more explicit videos of the action that's going on in there ? i'm sure that i have missed tons of facts , like many others . it would help us all a lot . cheers !

sektor2001 I'm glad you enjoyed this video!! However, sorry, I'm not planning to do anymore videos of this type right now :/ I really wanted to make this video about Jon Arryn's death, but I don't know what other plot would need explanation that doesn't already exist on RU-vid... If you want to know more about what happens in the book, I would suggest the wiki (awoiaf.westeros.org). The show has basically caught up with the books now, so you won't get spoiled about next seasons (except for the Greyjoys and Arya). These info would give you a lot of hindsight about the action in the show (but be warned that many things are very different in the book compared to the show) If you're looking for sources that explains the action in the show specifically, I don't know where to look for... Watching the whole series again would help I guess XD

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You can spot a very well-concealed hint of panic in his face when Lysa starts talking out loud about what they did. He's like "shit, shut up, people could be listening, is someone listening?, I gotta shut her up somehow, fine I'll kiss her" :P That likely hastened her demise, yes - although her threat to kill Sansa was the last drop. He couldn't let her live another minute for that. He lost Catelyn and would not want to risk losing Sansa too.

SelvesteSand Well I partially agree with you on Sansa. Yes he didnt want to lose Sansa not because he lost Caitlyn and he had feeling for her but rather because Sansa is the key to the north! Otherwise LF doesnt give 2 cents about her.

+Regina Phalange (OMFG I just noticed your name, I love you) No way. After taking Winterfell, Petyr could've imprisoned Jon and sent Sansa to Cersei, after which he'd be Warden of the North by royal decree. Finally, all the scheming was paying off big time - and he turned the opportunity down and chose Sansa instead. Sure, he still wants power, but he wants Sansa enough to put power-grabbing on hold - and that seems to be the first time he hasn't ruthlessly done anything it took to gain power. Sansa is more important to him.

SelvesteSand Thank you for you love :D LF cant "imprisoned Jon and sent Sansa to Cersei" before marching to Winterfell for their aid, LF opening announce his allegiance to the Stark, he said it himself to Sansa so he cant do that. Also Knights of the Vale follow Robin not LF, and RObin commanded to help Sansa so KotV wont obey LF, if he were to command Jon's or Sansa's arrest. Also, he cant just imprison Jon, he is the King in the North and has many houses backing him up.

There's something wrong with the left phalange in your arguments, Ms. Regina. :P First off, Petyr only figuratively announced his allegiance to Stark by helping them retake Winterfell and then not sending Sansa to Cersei as promised. It was exactly in the moment when he chose Sansa over power, as mentioned in my previous comment, that he declared that allegiance. Secondly, I doubt the Knights of the Vale in Petyr's army know of any specific orders from Robin. They probably just know they're being commanded by Petyr (Lord Protecter of the Eyrie and the Vale of Arryn) on decree by Robin and King Tommen, and disobeying his commands would be treason. His army probably made up 95% of the survivors of the battle of Winterfell, so he could've easily taken Winterfell for himself if he wanted to. Thirdly, Jon wasn't King in the North yet - and he only has people backing him up because he won the battle and Sansa and Petyr support him. Manderly, Glover and the rest had refused to help Jon because they thought it was a lost cause, and if Jon had been captured or killed, they'd have been right about it. They probably wouldn't exactly be thrilled about Petyr capturing Jon and Sansa, but they'd be happy to have him instead of the Boltons - not to mention that he would be Warden of the North by decree of King Tommen. Nothing stood between Petyr and being Warden of the North - nothing except the sacrifice of Sansa's life.

thanks! :) I love your thoughts about LF's death and the comparison wth Oberyn's!

They massed it up when they brought in lots action and fairy tales like the resurrection of Jon snow.

And he died

@@mostofanafis9203 or did he. The directors may have nodded elsewise

@@proivatememeless778 🤷‍♂️

@@proivatememeless778 The show ended he dead sadly.

that's a nice detail!!! i didn't remember that!

i was about to google it too :D

Yup

Getting dat ass from Catelyn (and after her death Sansa) is LF's #2 goal in life. His #1 is to climb the ladder all the way to the iron throne through chaos.

My thoughts exactly! He was jealous the whole time and couldn't get what he wanted.

Very bad I believe is the term.

From AWOIAF: "Just prior to the events of A Game of Thrones, Stannis began to suspect that the children of Queen Cersei Lannister were not actually Robert's. Convinced that Robert would not believe him, he confided his suspicions to Lord Jon Arryn. Together, they investigated the matter, visiting several of Robert's baseborn children in the city, and Arryn had begun to gather several proofs when he suddenly died."

we don't know the detail of how and when he found out, but with all his spies he must have learned that Jaime and Cersei were fucking, and he knew about Robert's dark-haired bastards (some of which were in his brothel), and so he drew the conclusion. He didn't even have to be certain that Jeoffrey really was a bastard, he just needed to sow doubt in Jon Arryn's mind to start chaos.

aww, thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it! :)

Spoiler Alert first though. . . . . In the animated history of Westeros. Lysa snuck to his bed at Riverrun and pregnant. Hoster Tully give Lysa abortion tea and had Baelish exiled. After many years she married Jon and had Robin.

haha that's what I thought too!!

Great theory brother*

Well he's not the sole responsible for the war. He acted like a catalyst, yes, and set the things in motion. But he's not responsible for Cersei having 3 bastard children, nor for the animosity between Stark and Lannister, nor for the Lannisters' attempts at killing Bran (first Jaime then Joffrey tried), nor for everyone's actions that led to the war. But by killing Jon and accusing the Lannisters, he sure sparked what led to the war, yes. It's very possible it would have happened anyway though. If LF had not killed Jon, the Lannisters would have, or Jon would have told Robert about Joffrey being a bastard, and from there a war was also likely to happen (it was at least a possibility).

They would have known that Jon had visited The Baratheon bastards in fleet bottom.

Peter Baelish and Lysa Arryn's role in Jon Arryn's death is the same as in the show, it will be revealed later. Pycelle saw Jon was being poisoned and thought it was Cersei's doing, so he accelerated the process (but it was Lysa doing it)

+g6pdthai Thanks!! i'm glad you do :)

wat no. tht will be ramsey bolton

nah he’s lex luthor

glad you liked it!! :)

Petyr Baelish and Varys did - Starks and Lannisters are just pawns

He managed to profit off from the chaos and war that followed to climb the social ladder. He became Lord of Harrenhal, married Lysa and became Lord Protector of the Vale.

I can't be sure Hugh is totally innocent, no. Maybe he was Lysa's accomplice. In the show at least, Lysa says she put the poison in the drink herself. In the books, I don't remember if she says the same or not (it's been years since i've read it~). I think there is no proof anywhere of Hugh's involvement nor of his culpability, so we'll never now! I think it would be wiser for Lysa and LF to have as little people as possible aware of their plans so I lean towards Hugh being unaware and innocent, but I can't be sure.

CerseiDM Yes, this seems to be right

These aren't related, this poison is just made by the alchemists of Lys. Lys is the name of a city. (maybe GRRM invented this city's name as a little nod to Lysa though, who knows)

@@CerseiDM Ah thank you for the lore correction!

thanks!!! That's always nice to hear!

Yup I didn’t care but now he is a Lannister of the hotd

It looks like they went with this narrative in the show yes. In the books though, the dagger belonged to Robert (who won it from LF), and Joffrey stole it and hired the assassin. LF knew that the dagger belonged to Robert but he accused Tyrion instead and started a war.

+Chuck Norris you're very welcome!! :)

chuck norris don't get to say thiss

Brother in law to Catelyn Stark and basically Ned Stark's mentor, which we learn during Season I.

no, it was actually Joffrey who sent the killer after Bran! It's better explained in the books: in his poor twisted mind, he wanted to impress his father (Robert) by ending Bran's suffering in a "merciful" way. He had heard a conversation where a drunk Robert said it would have been better for Bran to die than be crippled. He stole one of his father's knives (Robert had won it from Littlefinger in a bet) and gave it to the killer. He later boasts that he's familiar with Valyrian steel, meaning the knife. And then Littlefinger used what had happened for his own interest, creating chaos. (Note: it's possible that they changed this in the show and made it Littlefinger instead, i don't remember)

@@CerseiDM thanks!

What

He plays the Lannister twins in HoTD, Jason and Tyland Lannister