WHO'S THE BEST SPELLS COMMANDER IN cEDH? - Play to Win Gameplay | Niv-Mizzet v Yidris v Kess v Oona

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Today we're going to see who can sling the most spells and come on top of the counter wars. It's the best spells deck in cEDH.
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Niv Mizzet Control: A controlling list that looks to use stax pieces like Blood Moon and Stranglehold to assist along with counterspells to control the board, while looking for a curiosity win.
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Yidris Strom: This list uses powerful engines like Song of Creation, Underworld Breach, and Yidris himself to storm into a consultation win.
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Oona Consult: Laser-focused on going infinite or finding the consult win, this ub list has all necessary pieces to compete with these spell-slinging giants.
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Kess Control/Midrange: My personal Kess list, while only being a handful of cards off from the traditional Consultation Kess lists, this one seeks to grind out more value out of things like Ashiok, Narset, and Rhystic Study.
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@eatmoretidepods2499 4 года назад

Next time: BEST BOROS COMMANDER IN cEDH

@orsettomorbido 4 года назад

And Selesnya too!

@tomhinkle6411 Год назад

Litereally winota, end of story.

@geoffreygarfein9169 4 года назад

My Bois, I cannot express the unbelievably crappy week this has been.... But I was rewarded today with a new vid from you all and my tokens!!!!!! Much EXCITE!!!!!! Keep it up all!

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

Yesss that’s rad

@richardanderson9092 4 года назад

Time for a house rule - you forget your Mana Crypt roll, you take 3 from your Crypt every turn for the rest of the game. I suggest you do that for a month and see if the number of "oh, I forget to roll for Crypt" goes down. :) Keep up the great content!

@josefranciscodasilvaeolive674 4 года назад

Excellent rule! 👍

@categorygrp 4 года назад

I’d just do you take the 3 from the forgotten roll.

@glenarmer6004 4 года назад

My play group does that. It's a rude awakening for anyone that joins.

@good_morning_guardians 4 года назад

Watching with subtitles on be like: Thassa's Oracle < Fascist's Oracle I always knew something was up with that card, but I didn't know it was THAT bad 😂

@imperialphoenix1229 4 года назад

*The third Reich wants to know your location*

@PersonOfBlah 4 года назад

Lots of niv mizzet triggers missed on other people's Instants and sorceries. Good content as always though!

@thepyromancer1332 4 года назад

PersonOfBlah That‘s right but if you play niv as your commander you should resolve all triggers, because your opponents won‘t remember you. Because nivs pings can kill a yidris and that could be super relevant for the game. You‘re totally right, the content is awesome like always.

@travisganiko6509 4 года назад

There was a narset in play, he’d get one trigger but not the others on his opponents turn

@jayceh 3 года назад

Narset laughs at your triggers

@bradfarrer8308 3 года назад

When misdirection is cast at 18:00, wouldn’t the talisman resolve before the changed target force of will, and not be countered and FOW fizzles?

@RoomateNSNL 4 года назад

I only cast consultation to win the game or because I'm about to loss the game. Tainted Pact gas a lot more flexibility and have used that to Tutor up cards before, normally either oracle or consultation. Great video!

@ProaMc 4 года назад

Tman G-NSNL you use tainted pact to tutor up consultation?

@glenarmer6004 4 года назад

I don't find myself forbidden tooting as much as me after Taco Bell, a Food Chain.

@aarong2606 4 года назад

Hey dont give delay extra value!! Swing with that Kess when it comes off suspend ;)

@NicolBolasED 4 года назад

Loved the video today. I've been really enjoying your content so far and have watched all of the videos you guys have up. I do have one thing I wanted to mention: as someone who really struggles with names, when you guys are making plays and doing table talk that references other players sometimes it's difficult for me to track what happened. It's rare that it actually confuses me, but it occasionally does. I keep track of players by the sound of their voice if anyone was curious. The problem is increased for me since we only ever see the faces of our hosts, Cam and Dylan (dear god I hope that was right or that would be embarrassing) Over time this will become less of an issue as I slowly start to memorize player names but other people new to the channel might have issues with this. I don't have any real solution to this other than occasional use of an overlay that displays player names. Either way, keep up the sweet content and don't catch the plague

@noahmurtha4036 4 года назад

This would’ve been perfect for Haldan and Pako!

@TFH.Lefty01 4 года назад

Do you guys have a shirt with one big fat "BEGIN!" on it? :D

@dimitriosdoulgeris4659 4 года назад

Tylor was playing Niv Mizzet, right? At ~ 10:40 he missed many triggers as he could have drawn 3 more cards and deal damage with Chain of Vapor and all the other cards on that stack. Always watch out to maximize the value with counter and interactive magic. (:

@salsathe4th 4 года назад

Yeah I saw that too....would have been 3 damage total

@Egovinco98 4 года назад

narset was still in ay blocking draws

@TripleDotZ 4 года назад

Can anyone confirm that when the Frantic Search is cast, there is a mis-trigger on Niv-Mizzet's ping ability? o.0 Also, there are a lot of Niv-Mizzet's ability being mis-triggered when there are a lot of instants and sorceress cast in the latter game in Game 2. Not sure because of being edited away or just pure mis-trigger.

@nicolasdelfino4338 4 года назад

Well Tyler could've just pust Brallin in his Niv deck, as another source of discard damage. I have Niv in my Brallin-Shabraz deck

@redwoolsocks 4 года назад

F yeah those shirts are looking good, just ordered mine!!

@arkfuzz6369 4 года назад

"forbiddenly tut" XD

@luxaa319 4 года назад

Loving the music in the second game

@theasianone3327 4 года назад

I want to see a who is the best food chain commander game. Ukkima, korvold, first sliver, and tazri.

@TheTyrant079 4 года назад

Not that it matters my dudes, but when Oona player discarded to hand size, the cards he discarded were supposed to go to exile

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

They did. He moved them right after

@ProaMc 4 года назад

You guys should make a video trying to find out what is the fastest deck in cedh

@_jordaank_4970 4 года назад

Great game, I was kind of rooting for niv the whole time since I have him as a commander 😂 oh well

@abdulmuhaimin9780 4 года назад

He did take out to 3 players in one of the games. Unfortunately his owner died

@orsettomorbido 4 года назад

I COMPLETELY agree with the Demonic/Tainted discussion. Demonic has the big problem of being a combo card only, in practice.

@Aeonsmagicks 4 года назад

Keep em coming! How about a game with oracle/Consultation banned?

@lasse3469 4 года назад

Dylan always has the good luxury mic😁

@izzydd5075 4 года назад

'forbiddenly tute'

@Nathan511 3 года назад

The math is easy if you make a few assumptions. Assuming you have 2 win conditions, a large deck, and your deck is random, you have a 25% chance of exiling both win conditions with tainted pact, 25% chance of exiling neither and 50% chance of exiling only one win condition. This doesn't account for the first 6 exiled if it's demonic pact instead, but if you have a large deck left it doesn't change the numbers much.

@SacredMagic13679 3 года назад

I say this as a black person. I love your content, but I didn't know you guys asked for donations to BLM. I'll be unsubscribing. We shouldn't support an organization that normalizes riots and terrorism.

@tylercraft8484 4 года назад

What about best partner with Thrasios??

@orsettomorbido 4 года назад

That's precisely why I dislike Curiosity Combo. It's not infinite, you'll die, bla bla.

@HalleluyahJJang 4 года назад

if the video is about the best spell slinger cedh decks why do only two of them actually are cedh decks?? I can get consultation kess and yidris but the other two are just inferior decks in every regard, there more competitive commanders in this category that do fall in the same level of power as kess and yidris, it looks like "hey we had two competitive decks play against this other two jank decks with expensive cards, we call it cedh"

@fluffylord2742 2 года назад

I love all of your videos, but I keep noticing one mistake that doesn’t usually matter but might in the future, every time someone discards with necropotence they forget to exile the cards, just a little reminder that cam keeps cheating smh

@sparkythespooderduck8723 4 года назад

It was a 1/3 chance to exile both wincons before finding any card

@tenswr6469 4 года назад

I run conflagrate in my Niv list, it comes into play often with my wheel package.

@puppyton2793 4 года назад

Four blue players *shudders*

@wren7818 Год назад

Couldn't the Niv player purposefully "forget" his triggers?

@thewisconsinpicker3125 4 года назад

I dont run consult and tainted pact in yidris. What happens if you cascde into it?? Seems like a waste

@PriestOfTearshed 3 года назад

Is there a reason why the cards being discarded at cleanup for Cam @9:56 are not going to exile?

@uriahatkinson2103 2 года назад

Game one nice win with the fish ..u play to win ? U didn't play your commander

@w.s6124 2 года назад

You forgot Kalamax

@uriahatkinson2103 2 года назад

Game two nice win bro ..even if u didn't get to attack 😂... maybe we get um next game

@pkphantom 4 года назад

Aaand this game reminds me of why I hate counter spells 😒 good game tho lol

@Spencer4686 Год назад

Great video gonna make sure to watch more of your older videos now 👍

@jamesnoon6745 4 года назад

Play to Win changed my playgroup, and they don't even know.

@derafrax5048 4 года назад

Filthy Ad Naus pod, I like it :D

@AceHardy 4 года назад

Gg, I'm on twitch as KHALFANi ... keep it up

@weirdperson5675 3 года назад

This would be intersting now after Strixhaven came out

@jakepincus9342 Год назад

The niv player missed every trigger that his opponents gave niv mizzet.

@cyrustalksaboutstuff 4 года назад

Yidris getting some love nice👌👌👌

@rowankeltizar5961 3 года назад

How the f do you get crypt and Mox diamond in the same opening hand?

@MynamesdrawkcaB 4 года назад

Niv-mizzet shouldnt of lost curiosity is a may....also in game 3 yidris' talisman shouldn't of been countered because of how the stack resolves...just so u know for future reference :) @PlayToWin

@maxchristenson8888 2 года назад

Why would you counter the ophidean eye on glint horn if you had a notion thief out?

@cEDHCast 4 года назад

The battlefield 2 theme is fucking hype

@gambit2129 3 года назад

It's for that exact reason I absolutely dont want to build my yidris as a demonic consultation Oracle deck. Sure Oracle cuz you can draw up your deck numerous ways. But it super sucks and shuts yidris off. I wanna be able to cascade and win not dodging my own cascades like the plague cuz I am missing 1 piece or another in hand. Makes yidris himself feel bad, when he's seemingly op strong.

@NukTheBabies 4 года назад

I feel like Dylan finds any reason to play Kess 😂

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

True

@salfazlucario2660 4 года назад

im a simple person, I see oona, I click+like plus say haven't watch the video yet but great vid y'all should sub

@gigglesthecat7216 2 года назад

this is why you run a lab maniac in niv mizzet cus if your opponents have more life than you have cards you can lab and just win

@rainbowdeathjam4231 Год назад

The niv player had a decent amount of miss plays

@signisakanades1329 4 года назад

I think Force of Will wouldn't have countered the Talisman. It doesn't move it up the stack, it just changes the target of the spell, so the talisman would have resolved first and the force would have fizzled.

@ianflannery4291 4 года назад

Y'all know curiosity is a may right?

@danielmartin3739 4 года назад

Correct, but the trigger on Niv Mizzet when someone casts and instant or sorcery is not. He had to draw for each one of those. I had to look at Niv again for the same reason lol.

@alexmouco8543 4 года назад

Lov the video!! You have a new fan!! (Also...be careful when you discard cards with a Necro on the table, you need to exile the cards)

@RecklessFables 4 года назад

Never play the deck without the fucking titan

@supremesantos 4 года назад

Anyone else mildly annoyed by the cogs on the playmat?

@INTCUWUSIUA 4 года назад

You should run Winds of Change as a backup in the Niv deck. It's just one mana so it's easy to cast after you've drawn your whole deck.

@dupablada780 4 года назад

Another game with Niv-Mizzet loosing due to error. I'm counting second game as a win for him >:c

@FalloutFan011 4 года назад

Hey guys! I think it would be cool if someone tried playing Teshar in one of the episodes? I've never seen it in action, but I would love to see it

@capadearmadillo1 4 года назад

What's the best blueless deck? And what's the best partner deck? Nice games!

@lucabozza1750 4 года назад

What's the name of the song at around 2 min to 3 min?

@Ubermunki3 4 года назад

Consultation/thassa Oracle will be the next ban if there is one. It needs to go

@j0k335 4 года назад

NEW VID NEW VID NEW VID NEW VID LETS GOOOOO

@ewlively 4 года назад

Does the 2 on the dice on Kess the first time it went back to the command zone in Game 1 mean it was a mistake or do you typically start at 2? It was under the effects of the Delay before it went to the command zone before this.

@javierfernandez7879 4 года назад

Thank you for keep uploading videos!! Ur making this quarantine a little better xP

@kend6916 4 года назад

Thanks for the awesome content. Cant wait for the next one. Hope you keep making CEDH videos like these.

@lucazader 4 года назад

Great video as always. Would be cool to see something like best voltron commander or something like that!

@DJVU12 4 года назад

Niv mizzet + Frantic Search = three damage from Niv not just 1 on cast.

@orsettomorbido 4 года назад

Since another personed mentioned "the best Boros commanders." Why not Boros vs Selesnya? And maybe Orzhov too XD What's a fourth colour combination without really good commanders? (Gruul has Ruric Thar, Azorious has Lavinia. One each.)

@allbadmanners 4 года назад

Winota vs rhys vs one of the teysas or Kambal vs anje falkenrath

@elvengamingprod 4 года назад

Dude this Niv Deck is the same list that I'm hoping to run soon. This looks sick but I think that adding the Titan into the deck is the best move.

@jamesnoon6745 4 года назад

Play to Win changed my playgroup, and they don't even know.

@vatarants 4 года назад

Fish meta is pretty boring now.

@ghosty-fr2sj 4 года назад

Love the vids

@charlieaydin1377 4 года назад

Dude the music during game 2 was so awesome. Please keep that vibe going

@davidmcclellan8031 4 года назад

Great video! If possible it would be cool to see a best food chain deck. I know slivers is considered the best but would be sweet to see

@StephenPaulRamsey 4 года назад

Forbiddenly toot.... Classic

@phineas7423 2 года назад

To answer the title: Kalamax.

@jakobostheimer4066 4 года назад

The music from the second game added a lot to the game and was great

@sivancohen4940 3 года назад

how was tyler drawing cards off niv mizzet when there was 2 narsets in play?

@PlaytoWinMTG 3 года назад

Narset says one per turn

@sivancohen4940 3 года назад

@@PlaytoWinMTG oooh right ya I was thinking it was like hullbreacher or notion thief

@gromit46 8 месяцев назад

Niv not running time twister? Rip

@hoomer327 4 года назад

Hey just wondering what proxy your guys use for your old dual lands

@salsathe4th 4 года назад

In game 2 does the niv-mizzet player not have thassa's oracle to win after drawing the whole deck? He also missed 2 more damage from frantic search

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

He does not. Narset was out

@win9nine 2 года назад

What is the name of the song on 7:00?

@eric.ingram 7 месяцев назад

That off-the-top turn 2 Ashiok was insane.

@eric.ingram 7 месяцев назад

Did not see that win from Cam given how quickly Dylan established board presence.

@russellharder9947 4 года назад

I'm looking to play some cedh the last week of August. Do you guys normally play at home or your local lgs store?

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

Lately just at home

@zacharymedeiros2713 4 года назад

No winds of change?

@jewpcabra666 4 года назад

edit: Narset is out - Im blind at 9:05 wouldn't niv trigger 3 damage triggers? one for instant, 2 from drawing on frantic? And a bunch later during the chain of vapor/swat thing? niv is an annoying card haha. love yalls video!

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

Narset was out

@jewpcabra666 4 года назад

@@PlaytoWinMTG omg I feel like a big Dumbo now. Thanks for clarifying!! appreciate yall!

@tysanthecreator 4 года назад

Amazing!! Please play Tasigur and Jelava in same game!!

@rolandbennett2161 4 года назад

How many decks do you guys keep built at a time? Are you always pulling your decks apart for new builds, or do you just have 50 copies of mana vault?

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

Lots of proxies

@rolandbennett2161 4 года назад

@@PlaytoWinMTG Which are your go to decks that you actually have/keep built?

@camronkillmar1175 4 года назад

NNNNNOOOOO I was waiting for so long to comment first

@TylerSavage8 4 года назад

At the beginning of each of your main phases, if you haven't added mana with this ability this turn, you may add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of Islands target opponent controls. Oracle text for carpet of flowers i notice you guys do it both main phases when you can only add mana once with carpet now

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

When did we add it on both?

@TylerSavage8 4 года назад

I must have been thinking of another video sorry about that

@Maculate6Louis 4 года назад

Man that combo is all your decks.

@cartersnelson3350 4 года назад

I've watched a lot of cEDH channels but you guys are hands down my favorite thanks for making great content and having it be fun to watch keep up the good work boys! Also when can I buy some PlayToWin merch?!

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

Awesome!! You can buy some right now if you want. Check the description

@cartersnelson3350 4 года назад

@@PlaytoWinMTG Just ordered a shirt!

@PlaytoWinMTG 4 года назад

Thank you so much!!

@orsettomorbido 4 года назад

The third Ad Nauseam really made me happy HAHA