@Frost Flurry yes, the nurse is very skill dependant and if you cant use her blinks then you’re a killer thats slower than a survivor. You’ll get at most 2 hooks
@@d0gog442 a killers ability to be good has nothing to do with how good a person is at using them. In the same way Scott said about add ons for trapper, and for the sake of the discussion, you would assume that all killers are being played to the best of their ability.
@@Kezsora The Blendette urban evading towards you on the hook, but then hiding behind a rock on the edge of the map because she heard a heartbeat for a split second? The braindead Kate sandbagging you by throwing a pallet on you, even though you were closer to them? Nea? All jokes aside, really not the SoloQ teammates?
I mean, I'd argue they are relatively quick for the amount of employees they have considering the way DBD is coded. The worst killer of DBD is that mess of a blueprint project that causes Freddy to throw pallets like hatchets if you tweak the numbers on flashlight addons.
For new players and some old players the matchmaking system is the real killer. A new player having red/purple ranks in their game most of the time will say "fuck this game, why bother" and I don't blame them at all!
I wish my girl piggy got some buffs. But considering that she's on top of the COMPLETELY ACCURATE AND PERFECTLY CALCULATED (TM) kill statistics, she'll probly just get her good addons nerfed. Feelsbad.
Pig just should have better addons for her dash and less RNG. Otherwise I think she’s perfectly fine, people just kinda don’t know how to get the most out of her...
A pig buff would be great. I would like a buff to her traps so survivors can't escape through hatch with an activated trap. Pig stops being interesting at the end game. You can't activate traps at the end so her main ability becomes pointless. Also Razor wires still checks are not affected by perks (for example huntress lullaby) which I find annoying. I still think pig is a great killer. I like using Amanda's letter on Lerys.
Legions just feels like a killer in our world kinda. All the other killers are either monsters, have supernatural abilitys or are build like wrestlers.
@@Steam24 dead by daylight’s ghostface is supernatural, yes; danny was a normal human prior to entering the entity’s realm, but because danny basically submit himself to the entity he blessed him with supernatural powers
Lets not forget that most of the "worst" killers has addons that can remedy many of their issues, like with Trapper. Legion pretty much has none of those. In fact, Legion arguably has more straight up detrimental addons than good ones, or they do effectively nothing. I've been advocating for addon changes for almost like 2 years now, and I'm pretty sure not a single one of Legion's addons has been changed in that time.
They did change Legions Add-ons. When the deep wound change came out his Franks Mixtape and Stab Wound Study got nerfed. Understandable but they could've changed them instead of nerfing.
@@NoahsRIK Button is alright at best. Dirt is also just alright at best. The reason they are "just alright at best" is because while they are pretty much the best that Legion gets, they are incredibly bad in comparison to many of the addons other Killers get. Stacking both Joey's Mix Tape and Dirt just removes 1 second from your fatigue, which isn't an interactive and fun addon to use that changes your gameplay or helps you snowball much. It's 1 second off from your absolutely debilitating downside using Frenzy. I'm not saying the When you WANT to get pallet stunned with Enduring because a pallet stun is MUCH faster than getting out of fatigue, even with 2 addons specifically designed to lower the frenzy fatigue - and that's one of Legion's best line of addons? That's whack. My point was more so the fact that Legion has so many absolutely dud addons that do nothing. The Stab Wound Study line of addons? Literally have to throw the game to make it work. Filthy blade line? Can be useful-ish, but also very meh since it can still be very easily counteracted because Deep Wound is an archaic mechanic that needs a complete overhaul at this point. The killer instinct addons are just plain bad, if they could be used to discern distance they would be much better. Fuming mixtape is absolute whack. Most of the buttons are meh with the exception of the Legion button and the Iri button being alright. The duration ones are fine, if a bit unnecessary.
"Thank you Scott for pointing out that Trickster can quickly down a survivor. That was unintentional in design, and to all our players, we apologize that he was broken. For this reason, we have removed Trickster's ability to damage a survivor at all. We feel that this will help to balance the game, and make him not feel so overwhelming to go against. On the topic of balances, Trapper has also received some changes. We have removed his Honing Stone, and his bag add ons. We also found Nurse and Spirit to be underperforming. We have now removed Nurse from the game, and Spirit can now see survivors when phasing."
Feel like that's always gonna be the case in a game like this anyway Its easy to say that spirit and nurse are amazing, but then trickster or legion can be seen as the worst but still apply a lot of pressure / down easily if they play a ton
Tbf a lot of the "worst" killers are decided by the worst possible situations any killer can be in. When in reality there's too many possibilities that all killers can thrive in their own ways.
@@poorlydrawngouf4281 you sure about that? Infectious they will scream and will easily tell that you have it and nurses doesn't work for mending, and good survivors (which have more chance to be toxic if they played for long enough and need some spice to the game) just won't heal, like scott said
"We have noticed an apparent imbalance of killers being played. We have decided that, in order to encourage this to balance out, we shall be removing Trapper's machete as he was overproforming, we have also figured to buff Legion! His Feral Frenzy now gives 1.25 seconds of Blindness- but to keep it fair, he now takes an additional 3 seconds to recover after the power expires. Speaking of expiring we are nerfing Pig's-"
Trapper. Poor bastard comes from a radically different era of DBD and the meta has completley outpaced him in every way. No other killer has to spend the first 2 gens of the game setting up to possibly gain nothing from it. Hag will always gain something from her traps even if it's just information.
But if he gets set up, he can snowball better than any other killer in the lower tier Trapper's issue is just inconsistency. Sometimes his traps work well and he wins in 2 minuets, sometimes everything goes wrong, and you have a 4 man escape in 4 minuets while you were helpless the entire match
Trap a 3-4 gen, good luck trying to survive Remember me works pretty good with him, since you can trap the exit gates and thanks to it you'll have a lot of chances od getting the person opening And theres much more to it
@@feedthemeat543f the real problem is that he NEEDS addons to survive I really hate those killers whose base kit is really bad I prefer to play killers „pure“ with no addons In my opinion every killer must have a decent base kit which helps him And trapper is by far the worst here
Guys you can win a game with literally any killer because the vast majority of survivors are bad. But I guarantee you if you play Trapper against a team who knows what they're doing coms or not you're probably not going to do well with him. Especially if they bring maps or aura reading perks. He's the only killer in the game where his power is completley RNG dependant.
My one argument with this is that Legion is consistent. Even if the survivors are efficiently spread out, they can usually still make sure at least 2 are injured the whole game. Trapper and Pig are almost entirely reliant on RNG. It's random where Trapper's traps spawn, it's random how long it takes a survivor to escape a trap, it's random how far a survivor has to go to get to the boxes for Pig's traps, it's random how many boxes a survivor will have to go to, it's effectively random whether or not a survivor will see a bear trap at a loop or not. Maybe my opinion is a bit skewed by watching Otz's streaks, but for Pig and Trapper, all it takes is one bad dice roll to lose the game. For Legion, anyone who's good at the mechanics of killer can consistently do very well. Even if Legion's power is weak, you can still almost always use it and survivors can't do much about it.
Yea I agree, I feel pig especially is the weakest with bad RNG - because she depends basically entirely on M1 on chase, at least trapper can cancel out a certain strong loop MID chase if he so desires. BUT, pig is also the strongest of the bunch with good rng imo. So she is either the worst or the best. I think with DBD you really can't say who truly is the worst, as long as RNG exists.
The issue is legion is consistently bad. At least trapper and pig have a chance to be good, a pretty significant chance at that as all you need is decent luck. Also, you are massively underestimating their add-ons as legions add-ons are ass in comparison. Not to mention Every killer mentioned has some sort of chase power but legion. Pigs is compium but at least her traps are deadly. Legion is literally a m1 killer who can auto injure.
All the killers I regularly play are in the bottom tier. Not even by choice, they're just the most fun. I immensely enjoy playing pig and clown. I know I could probably win more consistently playing the spirit but I just don't enjoy doing it. I've also noticed it's extremely easy to get a win as hag, it's just not as rewarding to get the win easily as it is to get 12 hooks with piggy.
I'd agree to some point, but Legion can probably be the best teaching tool for learning killer. By showing how strong the survivors are when they are spread out and how strong survivors can be in loops, Legion gives a great learning curve of how to succeed as killer and how to have map awareness. Sure you'd lose a few matches, but you'd learn more from those matches than playing any other killer.
@@mitchsz but the optimal way to play wraith for the most part is a hit and run/stealh playstyle, where you want to get survivors off guard. Yeah sometimes you'll need to do some m1 mindgames at loops, but idealy not as much
@@viniciusreno8516 Well you can commit to chases on wraith tho which is most likely what a new player would do. The hit and run is the most efficient way to play wraith but newer players will not opt for that
I very much agree, i played legion from around rank 12 to rank 3 and i got my ass handed to me multiple times and learned a lot from it, but also found that legion stomps unorganized teams
I guess if you base your decision solely on the ability to end chases with your power, yeah, Legion is the worst. But I've found the key with legion is that keeping survivors injured allows you to catch them when they're vulnerable later on. He's similar to the plague in that sense, he may not be able to down them immediately but if they don't deal with the injury, they're dead if they're caught outside of a strong loop.
That’s not true. Micheal has literally no power and you can’t say anything about his one shot because legion would already have that person 1 shot. Legion isn’t the worst
Okay as a Rank 1 Legion main, I feel like I can make a few points to at least put them above Pig and Clown. Best counter argument for Legion's power does nothing is that it's a lot harder to save if everyone is injured. After all the survivors are injured, he's basically a one-shot killer. Every save becomes like trying to save in the collapse against NOED. They're suicide runs. It becomes a lose/lose situation. Heal and possibly lose it instantly, or trade. This gives Legions tons of snowball, even if all the gens are done. Now, you do still have to be actually good at looping to get those initial downs quickly, but I think a lot of people underestimate how quickly shit hits the fan when everyone is injured and healing is pointless. Also, Legion's initial hits on you are basically free, you can't outloop a 130% speed who can medium vault and negate your windows and pallets. Legion is not a top tier killer by any means, but he's better than Clown lol.
I’d say Trickster even after the buffs simply because he still has the massive problem of just having no central identity. There’s literally nothing you can look at the Trickster with and say “The Trickster can do ___ better than ___!”
Good point I didn't think that nea is actually the entity so now the worst killer is actually quentin, his power being a mirror that only reflects quentin
If you say Legion is the worst what about Myers? he has to stalk to instadown them, while legion can just run around, have additional info, delay the game if survivors heal and make them insta downable as well.
Tbh I put legion above Myers. Myers can get fuck pretty bad if he can’t get any stalk and he just an M1 killer while Legion can at least pressure more survivor
@@kpkazan yeah as soon as Myers actually gets to play the game. When has a good survivor ever been downed quickly by a tier 1 Myers. Even more impactful question, how long will it take to get out of tier 1 against a good team when they starve you.
The thing about legion, is that he by themselves isn't strong, they are less add-on dependent, and more perk dependent. From my games at least, any perk that gives them undetectable is so strong on them. Legion is so quiet while walking if a survivor doesn't hear a terror radius they wouldn't even know what hit them. Monitor, and Dark Devotion, are at the very least very fun on them.
I love running tinkerer on Legion. Can’t count how many times it’s came in clutch with a injured survivor working on the gen and has no idea I was coming lol
@@lainnislame by the time you actually get the undetectable you actually dont need feral frenzy. And for specifically dark devotion the survivor actually carries your terror radius so actually you can see hearbeats from across the map.
in my honest opinion trickster cannot be buffed to much because his power design is simply horrible he will always be to weak or to oppressive he’s like an old legion eventually you will go down it’s just gonna take the entire match
@@christianftt3136 it definitely isn’t horrible designed at all. All bhvr needs to do is play with the amount of knifes it takes to kill with trickster’s power. Maybe only 7 knifes will down a survivor instead of simply injuring them or maybe it does injure them, but when injured it takes less knifes.
@@christianftt3136 you can still completely negate his power by breaking line of site with him. Considering you’d still need so many knifes I don’t see that as op at all.
Trapper is overall the worst. Too much time getting traps ready to Just be disarmed in 2 seconds, and the fact that If you ever get spotted using a trap the survivors Will know where It is+ SWF with good communication makes him unplayable and grass is getting smaller every New map doesnt help
I find it hard to call Legion anywhere near the worst when killers such as Trapper exists. Legion at his worst is a short 115% killer who can get his first hit easy. Trapper? A killer who loses 1-2 gens at the start, can be COMPLETELY countered by a single item (Maps), has a power that is pretty unreliable despite the time it takes setting up, and without it he's a tall 115% with nothing going for him.
this may be true but trappers strength lays in late game. if trapper 3 gens with his traps in the proper spots he literally cannot lose unless key play.
@@maddog130 he puts all his eggs in one basket. If the survivor is smart, they'll avoid grass and maybe just take the hit to go where they know you didn't prepare any traps. At that point, you either leave your territory or you allow them to repeat the same strategy in a war of attrition that you simply can't win
@@spone6652 I almost always 4K on him even against good teams because every unhook is death against him. Every gen that is not immediatly close to a pallet is death, he's got rly good tracking and information throughout the match and can actually one shot people who try to locker juke him. His slug potential is really good since everyone is injured at all times
@@spone6652 if you cant build pressure with a killer that literally runs i dont know what to tell you. All killers injure survivors so by your logic all killers are helping survivors
(Edit: "In addition to their original power") A fun idea for Legion could be that the other 3 members are watching and waiting from the outer walls of the map a set minimum distance from each other and you can choose to switch out with one of the other members (essentially acting like Freddy;s teleport but to certain corners of the map) . The legion member you controlled will then sprint to take a position on the border wall while you control the desired member.
@@greenbrickbox3392 at least with the other killers you can just say fuck their ability and try to just m1 but with nurse hell naw lol you ain't catching shit without blinking
You could argue that the Plague also has that problem of being countered by strategically good survivors who would just deny her of her power if they'd play efficiently, but they kinda "fixed" this issue by giving her one base fountain.
Still only gives her 1 oppertunity tho. Legion at least has the benefit that he can force survivors to Mend instead of do gens. Excluding Addons ofcourse. Legion's basepower is better than Plague. He has the benefit where he traverses maps quicker, and thus gets into chases quicker, while also having a build in gen slowdown. Heck, if survivors coordinate well, they can even force Plague into her power when she doesnt want to and all be healthy, they need to heal up a lot to do the same for Legion. So why is Plague better? Addons. That's the biggest difference. Legion does not have the access to addons that actually aid him much. He still does have some strong addons that people underestimate. Defaced Smiley Pin and Fuming Mix Tape are essentially the only addons that truly aid him in his power. The only other ones that are "good" are fatique recovery and recharge rates. The rest is essentially worthless on Legion. So all Legion needs is altering his addons to the new meta. When he was released, being Broken was a relatively new effect, Mending did exist(sort-off), but only on Borrowed Time, he was the fastest killer with his m2 being considered a basic attack, meaning things like NOED applied. They could buff Frank's mixtape a tiny bit, making it actually possible to hit a survivor 3 times with in the same chase and then downing them, without seeing blood or scratchmarks and still down them. Or give him an addon that allows you to stab the same player multiple times(which takes current Frank's Mixtape 5 hits: 1 to deepwound and 4 to reduce the timer from 20 seconds to 0. 5 hits even within the same power isnt that powerful since you lose tracking abilities). Power-only Legion is otherwise nearly impossible to do. My only guess is that such an addon would allow Legions to just slug a lot, but I dont really see how. You wouldnt reset your timer if you hit the same person twice anyway.
Plague is a glass canon. She can down four and roll. Partly due to people playing s plague every 50 games. But legion is not the weakest. It's mikey or trapper. Scott is the only streamer I've seen say legion is worse lately.
@@Predated2 bro fuming mix tape is garbage, all about recovery, duration, mangled button(not broken, you want them to heal, not do gems), and iri button (break pallets). Most worthless addons are increased range, fuming(just run thrilling), stab study, dirty knifes, and recharge (his power isn’t something you spam, if they are injured u don’t need it yet).
Plague is the 3rd most loopable killer in the game right behind uncloaked wraith and no hatchet huntress. She is so tall survivors can see what she is doing over the tallest of walls. Even with a survivor being full infected she becomes useless if the maps pallet rng spawned a bunch that are safe. And without pallet eater perks she can’t get rid of them in time. Plagued gameplay is dependent on survivors giving her her power. Giving us a freebie was a step in the right direction but if we don’t get value out of that freebie then it won’t do much for us against a competent team.
Hey Scott, what you said about the legion made a lot of sense, but that has brought up some questions that I hope you could answer. I've been playing legion for quite some time now and I've been doing very well with him. I use hex undying, hex ruin, thanatophobia, and bbq chilli and for addons I mainly use frenzy duration, but occasionally I use mend time and or shorter tantrum duration. I can't remember the last time I got less than 3 kills with this build. My strategy is to chain hits as much as possible, then continue chases in normal mode, or pretend I'm going to chase someone, but turn and chase someone else. So why is this working so well if legion is bad? Is it because of my skill as a killer main? Or could it be the addons and perks carrying me? or are all the survivors I've faced been playing poorly because they often heal and group up? Is it just luck? Please tell me your thoughts
those 3 perks allow extreme gen slow down that would allow any killer to perform well so long as survivors arent hardset on doing totems. i main legion and i take pop, bbq,discordance, and thana(optional slot) and merciless almost every game. but thats just because im used to playing legion and also legion doesnt appear enough in games for people to know how to counter. i can not tell you how many times people think they can hide from feral frenzy in a bush or locker. one thing that is clear is that legion is so underplayed that survivors dont even know how he works
@@maddog130 That may be true now, but a few months ago, I played 10 survivor games and one night and 5 of them were against the Legion, 4 Doctors, and 1 Spirit. I don't think he's that unpopular.
@@vesaniadol because you don’t need to watch a youtube video explaining why they’re good- it’d be more interesting to watch someone’s opinions on other killers they think are good. everyone already knows spirit and nurse are uncontested for top 2
@@stepbrother.69 the thing is, nurse is uncontested for number 1 everyone knows a hella good nurse is the strongest thing in the game. But spirit isn’t so uncontested. There are a LOT of people who think blight is better than spirit.
But I think trickster is still the worst. The buff did fuck all and he still aims with bloom so can mostly use his power when really close, main event is also terrible
But his power doesn’t really do anything useful. Most low ranks survivors don’t care about being injured anyway so there’s a good chance they’ll stay injured regardless unless you’re oni or smth. Def the second worst or the worst killer imo.
I think the reason for the Legion being so bad is Behaviour must thinking back ward's about the game, as proven by the spawning offerings. They believe that sticking together will allow survivors to help each other, and separating them let's killer pick them out easily one by one, which works in theory, but in practice the exact opposite is true, and that's their mistake, which was the foundation for the very creation of the Legion, making them doomed from the start to be a botched killer.
Worst in performance? Trapper. He's way too map and add-on dependant, and his early game (against competent survivors) is awful. Worst to play against? Frenzy spamming Legion and slow down stack Freddy. Both equally boring as shit. Huntress because latency (and partially the hitbox).
I'd make the argument that while Legion's power is injuring people, that's their biggest strength; how easily they can injure people and *keep* them injured.
farther down ranks you go, the more people don't care about being injured. I'm only lvl 12 and I'm already starting to see less and less healing going on and people just doing objectives rather than healing eachother
@@exxon101 but then you run perks than punish survivors for being injured like thanatophobia or blood echo and it becomes a better power, especially at higher ranks where 1s of gen time or 1 dead hard can cost you the whole game
What if I said legions power reveals the location of survivors and applies the exposed status effect to survivors hit by his power, along with providing the legion to additional tracking information, it does all of that permanently until survivors spend a total action time of 24 to 40 seconds to remove it? Does that make legion sound better?
So Legion needs a Killer-specific objective that forces Survivors to group together temporarily. Like a two-person Pinhead box. And maybe Legion’s power should reward chaining hits with incrementally greater damage: the first hit takes the Survivor to Injured (or Deep Wound if not already), second hit give Deep Wound, third causes the loss of one health state, and the fourth is an instant down. That way even if only a couple of survivors are found or are near the box, Legion can still create pressure.
This is what I'd do to buff Legion 1. Reduce fatigue duration and make power recharge faster 2. When hitting a survivor with deep wound, both their deep wound timer and your power bar will have a chunk depleted (Note: Legions power would not end unless the power bar gets fully depleted from a hit) 3. Allow Feral Frenzy to be activated whenever, as long as the power bar isn't at 0%. 4. Revamp addons to compensate for the changes I feel like this would give Legion some downing potential, alongside bringing back some old features of Legion. I don't feel like this would be broken like OG Legion's power, because Deep Wound was the real cause of his broken-ness. EDIT: Rephrasing
i would like that actually, maybe to put more urgency in a survivor i would have deep wound decrease slowly regardless of sprinting to have survivors worry a bit more and plan ahead but if this change came instead I'd be all for it
Coming in 3e years late to say that's how Legion worked at release with old Frank's Mixtape and it was some of the most busted shit in the game's history lol
Would love to see an updated version of this video, given the legion rework (and the overall killer buffs!) I feel like Legion is no longer the worst killer, both because the add-ons are actually relevant now, encourage survivors to group up to avoid their negative effects, and given that killer has become stronger and going down is now disincentivised even more heavily (eruption, pain res), playing injured is riskier! Throw in the passive game delay from forcing people to mend (which isn't huge, but ain't nothing!!) and the potential info Legion can get from that, and I don't think Legion is the worst killer anymore. If everyone is playing injured, then you are functionally a T3 Myers sans lunge, but for the entire game. That feels better than at least some other killers.
Not to mention Legion has the power to injure the entire team multiple times a game, and very quickly unless they are really good survivors. It’s hard to not get max BP in hunting, and a Red Malicious emblem. That doesn’t mean he’s good, but if you don’t care about your rank you could farm a decent amount of BP a game with Legion and certain offerings.
Legion Buffs: 1. The more people that The Legion has hit in his rush, the shorter the fatigue after the rush will be. - 0 hits: 30% longer , 1 hit: 0% shorter, 2 hits: 30% shorter, 3 hits: 60% shorter, 4+ hits: 90% shorter 2. As long as there is a survivor in view during The Legion's rush, The Legion's power gage depletion will be *greatly* slowed down (letting him use his power for longer) - The Legion also now moves at 5.5 movement speed during Feral Frenzy (instead of 5)
As a legion main, i can confirm that they are at least top 3 worst, if not the worst. Like scott said, im literally an m1 killer if survivors play NORMALLY. And if i get spun, i go into MEGA ARTHRITIS STATE, then i have no pressure, no power, and im screwed. Not to mention, their chase potential is non-existant... #ReworkLegion
I think Myers has to also be taken in consideration as he kind of depends on survivors being unfocused and he has, besides the instant downing, no chase potential whatsoever
As someone who loves Legion... yeah, I just have to agree. Nothing more to say there. They're fun, but don't expect to be consistently winning games with them. I do think you're underestimating Amanda's dash at loops/pallets, however. Clever use of this can end chases quickly. Granted, it's still a 50/50, but it's one that Survivors have a more difficult time reacting to.
In my opinion we have 7 killers that are no question at an appropriate level of strength a killer is required to have 3 of which are the extreme that they are too powerful. God tier and trash tier are two extremes that a killer should never be in.
@@Hyperfoxeye If there are only certain gaps then it's not going to be a loop where you demolish even a good survivor. He mentioned Cow Tree because it SHOULD be a great loop for Trickster, and it was on screen at the time, the knowledge that it's horrible only comes from experience. Go into a private lobby and try it then come back.
I’m not sure about that, if you watch someone like Raging_Ryuga, who is a hardcore legion main, you’ll see that Legion really isn’t as bad as people think. I feel like a lot of people just don’t play him well.
that doesnt matter. you can master any killer and climb the ranks because you are good. ive mustered up the skill to play vanilla legion(no perk/addon) at rank 1 and get merciless, but that doesnt mean legion is by any means a top-tier killer. I.E: street fighter world championships where the underdog picks what is considered a garbage fighter and stomps because they spend endless hours mastering them.
I must disagree a bit In my opinion trapper is the worst with pig after that Please consider that i like to play without addons („pure“ if you like to call it that but addons are flavor on the cake for me - not the whole cake) If i am forced to play a killer with addons i dont play him/her Trappers basekit is incredibly bad in a sense that he is unplayable. Only be able to carry one trap is unbearable And pig got gutted with the engame collapse; she is in dire need of a real buff (and reintroduce features she had before the engame c.) Legion is honestly not that bad; you only need to use perks to make healing more annoying and you always have survivors injured which helps tremendously in downing them In his base kit he also has tracking and can be played without addons If people dont believe me - pls check out raging ryuga; he is an amazing legion But truth be told he still requires a buff; if you dont play like ryuga it is quite difficult to win games with him Plus you really must be a decent killer to down survivors quickly as a standard movement speed m1 killer...
@@HugsRequired that does not mean did not get weaker by the endgame collapse And she needs addons to keep at least a bit up She is by no means one of the stronger killers Or am i wrong with that?
When i play legion in Red ranks, survivors will notice who the killer is and automatically spread out, theres no way you can win, straight up, unless they make mistakes or somehow you have devour hope stacked and 80% off pallets broken
When I think about it, maybe Legion should be able to remove like 25% of your deep wound timer for each survivor they hit during Frenzy so that if you hit 4 survivors during one Frenzy you could straight up down someone with your power like before. It wouldn't be as bad as the old Legion that had no counterplay, but you would be rewarded for chaining multiple hits in a chase. And also their power bar could decrease slower if there's only one survivor or less in their terror radius so that they can go around the map if survivors spread out.
Nah they are cool, I agree I've mained Legion for a while, nearly made me hate the game lol, he just needs a actual power. Even pig far outclasses him in red ranks cause the face trap thing is a actual power that can mess up a survivors game without the pig literally having to be there. Legions two powers are hit you and down you like every killer can, or activate frenzy and hit you and not down you 🙃
Same lol, I'll get stomped by very good optimal SWFs but those are so few and far between that I can easily stay in lower red ranks as long as I don't make too many unforced errors. Pig with good bear trap usage is pretty oppressive and its always hilarious to watch some survivor run towards exit gates with an activated trap
Oh God, I can’t wait for that narcissistic prick to make a video where the entire argument is based on anecdotes and anyone who criticizes him in the comments gets a response of “I’m good, you’re bad, shut up.”
@@Marcos-tk9xr If a tier list puts Trickster above Huntress, that tier list is immediately trash. Anyone who puts Truckster above Huntress is someone whose inability to hit hatchets has clouded their judgment, so they use Trickster as a crutch and a tool to make up for their lack of aim.
Scott, while I mostly agree with the list, I think you might want to make a few distinctions between PC and console, because console Trickster is abysmal to play, I mean absolutely no lethality and the survivors just Bitch slap you. So legion is better than console trickster IMO.
I'm just gonna disagree that Legion's the worst, nothing feels or works quite so badly as not even having access to your power due to RNG on Trapper. "hey this trap is in a corner of the map, on a hill, facing the outskirts, near a completed generator on red forest. Oh yeah and we spawned like 4 traps for you I hope you brought a bag"
Yes, I know I'm a legion main, but I really don't think they're the worst killers in the game. I think their slowdown with thana is alright, their chase floor is higher but their ceiling is lower, and their pressure is decent. Even if you split up, legion's power still gives information. The worst killer in the game IMO is definitely the twins. I can't seem them as anything other than worse legion.
The problem with The Twins is that hey are actually really strong, but only in the most boring way possible (slugging/camping). I consider myself a try hard killer, but their playstyle is too much even for me.
Dowsey play's the twins and if you've watched him you know that twins are not bad killers. Even Otzdarva put them in A tier which is not even close to bad.
@@MaranoG Yeah but against good survivors slugging can be countered pretty hard, and camping just leads to you losing the game to gen rushing. As someone who actually really enjoys playing the twins, I just think they have a lot of inherent flaws with their game design and I just can't see many of their "Features" as strengths in the current game state. To be clear though, I think all the "worst killers in the game" are like, not that bad, definitely not unplayable, I really think "the worst killer" just comes down to play style preference on a case by case sitaution.
You brought up a good point with Trickster being able to down even really good survivors. He can down people almost as well as old Legion can and that kinda scares me. As long as he doesn't break chase and is even somewhat accurate you will go down because of the laceration mechanic. If they buffed him a lot then he might be just as unfun to go against as Deathslinger or Spirit which I don't want to see happen because I love playing him.
I disagree with legion as worst, like sure his power “just” injures people, but because the legion can guarantee injures, even against good survivors (vaulting pallets and the faster run speed) he can force survivors into a state where they are injured (louder and with a blood trail) and have to waste time mending. Sure good survivors might not heal, but they have to mend so you always get some time value from injuries. Plus with legion instead of winning two chases you only have to win one. The legion is similar in that regard to plague. Clown will get pallets quickly sure, but legion gets injures which I think is more important overall.
The big thing is his power does not help vs people injured. He is like plague but at least for plague theres the looming threat of her using a pool to get the deadliest ranged attack in the game for a couple mins while legions just an m1
I feel like legion should get a buff when he hits someone with frenzy and you get no killer instinct. So if you chain all 4 hits or just hit someone by themselves you get like a double lunge with like two swings.
Honestly, what they should do is just allow him to hit a surv twice to down them, but at a cost of making his power go on cooldown immediately. Also, cooldown has no progress when carrying a survivor.
@@stovespiegel The game has advanced way beyond that. That was a long time ago now, and right now there are many killers who straight up give 0 fucks about what a survivor can do in a 1v1. A minute cooldown for 1 down that doesnt refresh during a carry or hook is a strong penalty for a strong power. In contrast you have spirit who downs you in 20 seconds, Nurse in 10, Oni getting a 2~4 man every other minute, Pyramid Head sending you to the shadowrealm or straight up killing you, and Deathslinger sniping you. Over and over and over again.
@@Kizen. Yes, and those killers require more input from the player than just pressing Mouse 2 and holding W. You had to consciously ignore all of the gameplay mechanics that go into those characters just to make this reach. Congratulations, you’re still ignorant. Did you even watch the video? Do you play the game? All of this seems like it came from a bot.
@@Kizen. the problem with that though is that his power then wont be fun to play with or against it. The devs have said it multiple times that they want fun killers to play and to go against and having to down someone with no mind game or skill really doesn't even sound like a skill nor would that be entertaining
Nah legion is great in the right hands. His power just lets you do so much so quickly, that you can gain a ton of momentum and snowball pretty quickly. Raging_ryuga is the best example of what a good legion player can do.
Sure if the survivors are playing poorly. Like Scott said in the video, if survivors just spread out Legions power is to injure people and that's it. Plauge is just an objectivley better Legion in every way.
My favorite moment playing as trapper that also made me realize he wasnt the worst killer was a soon as I had downed one of the four survivors I caught every other person in my traps all at the same time so 2 people went into injured and another got downed
