Why Are So Many Incels Former Pickup Artists? 

chris question - how many good women are there are on the earth what is the percentage ??? give me a number and ill give you my numbers

You mean incels who struggle with women looked up how to get women and came across PUA? How is this shocking in the slightest?

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​@@Invisibility397 if they had his child, yes

" why don't like marriage? have you experienced a divorce yourself?" 🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Wtf of stupid question, it's like saying "why don't you like jumping from a high building? Have you ever get paralyzed from trying?" 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

Go gay!

@@aquarius-woman5364 go broke and cucked.

Damn skippy! Boy howdy! Marriage is an archaic legal contract meant for political control of families and power stuctures. It has no place in our world. Why do people need a legal contract to have a committed long-term relationship? Why shouldn't people break up and go separate ways in peace when they no longer feel they are moving towards the same goals? Many lawyers, clerks, and judges depend on this system for their jobs - never forget they have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are. The same is true of the so-called "war on drugs" - it's a perpetual war that employs a lot of cops, lawyers, clerks, judges, etc.

​@@aquarius-woman5364 That's homophobic - sexual preferences are not a choice. No one would have ever chosen to be gay in the past when being so put them at risk of violence. And everyone would choose to be gay now if they could because it would be so much easier to find sexual partners.

@@aquarius-woman5364 Shut up, woman!

You already think like a misogynist. "Women are the problem, because they see they have options, because they have access to the internet." What? How about men start taking care of the way they look? Why are men never an issue in your heads? Men have a narcissistic psyche so they blame shift the way typical narcissists do and never take responsibility. Grooming yourselves would solve your issues.

But the people who congregate in these communities and even more moderate people on youtube are incredibly deluded. A youtuber called Ubersoy has two good videos on This. I've occasionally watched a youtuber called Better Bachelor and even with him it's incredible how close he gets to things yet in the end just doesn't get it because he doesn't have a well formed view of genetics/social science.

*The problem is every single female in the US has social media and access to thousands of potential partners.* Not quite. Not all females are using social media past 'family and friends' , nor are all females on dating apps (the majority are not).

Not "everybody".

@@TheThreatenedSwan Why should there be more high value women than men? A quick look at the guys we know, points towards they get women, that they deserve - same weak, insecure, worn out over chewed bubble gum.. Most guys won't resist an offer from "any" woman, even if they are in a relationship, but demand a woman who would.. Life ain't that way..

More so women don’t want to deal with men

@Matt Barton Yes, I have had this thought a lot lately. Due to socialmedia, having access to what other people think has to be one of the worst possible outcomes I have ever seen in my life. This will sound very elitist but I noticed a drastic change with the advent of the "smart phone." It gave EVERYONE access to the internet and that included people with varying degrees of... intelligence. Access to the internet prior to the smart phone required some knowledge of computer use, likely some degree of wealth/income and likely to be employed all of which acted as partial gatekeepers to who could post. As a side note: I spent a lot of time reading about near death experiences and one of things that I dreaded reading about the most was that a lot of people who have had them say that thoughts can be read without the need for speech. That seems extremely dreadful to me, I like the privacy of my own thoughts. Anyways, weird tangent and completely unproven but I just thought I'd add it here, lol.

@@elislifestyle4605 Uhhh...what? We're just going to act like womens biology has vanished? The vast majority of women want marriage and kids still. That hasn't changed at all

@Fenwick Chick nobody is jealous of cat. Most men want a women to love. Women standards are just high no matter what. We have to bring hella thing to the table. Looks, Money, Personality everything. When y’all don’t have to bring anything. Most men are single and ain’t just because they jerks. You going off the men who have a bunch of options.

@Fenwick Chick they going to the redpill because they’ve been hurt or finding out how to get women.

Agreed concentrate on self improvement and what brings you internal peace and contentment. Stop chasing external validation.

Damn you’re a real one, and I agree wholeheartedly. They never actually get to the heart of the issue at it’s core.

The reason there are many "spergs" among the manosphere is because people with autism are the ones that struggle the most in dating as we have low emotional intelligence, we also have a hard time coping, so we're more vocal, we're less resilient, we struggle to make and keep friends and jobs, we struggle to live independently, we struggle with sensory overload, depression and suicide. I had the privilege of having access to a lot of help, I have been putting a lot of effort into developing myself over a decade, I'm far above the average autist yet I'm still struggling. Many of us are desperate and hopeless and the media marginalising incels is just cruel. People need help.

​@user-uc1oy3zk4t I agree dude. For once I'd just like to be treated as an equal in this fucked up society and not scarcely human over something I have no control over. It really bugs me when you have people claiming to supposedly have more empathy than you do, yet simultaneously all they ever do is put down those who are slightly different than they are. NTs are some of the most hypocritical people on earth. Maybe we autists are actually more evolved mentally because we tend to think more logistically, and that's why society has a hard time with us: we reveal the inconvenient truth that feminism doesn't give a fuck about men, and they'd rather see neruodivergent men dead than happy since they likely view us as nothing more than potential rapists. Then again that poisonous belief is affecting all men today and not just autistic men.

"They need inner purpose, absent external validation. They need something to DO that has nothing to do with dating. That works. Stop evaluating a man's worth in terms of who he can date, and make building himself as a human being the priority." True, very true, but this is still just a stepping stone. Sexual value is a HUGE part of self improvement and self validation. A man's worth really is tied to the quality of the women he can attract. This is why levelling up is so important for a man. Any man who refuses to admit he cares about what women think of him, is the same kind of loser man who lies about masturbating.

Me: I always wear my seat belt when driving. Him: Have you ever even been in a car accident?

@@RevanKnight56 divorce is not an issue if you set up the relationship with the right situation. I could get married tomorrow and there is no financial gain to be had or loss. She still kind of would get a slightly better deal than I would potentially but it is not enough to make any real difference. You make them pay their way and that is that, it is a guys fault today if he does nonsense like pay for everything if the woman has a job.

researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue. People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her. A lot of guys have never had that. This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that. The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow) Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society. What are we seeing in the west now? Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, anomie and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels. White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes. Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends. White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle. With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be dehumanising and toxic. Peace

MGTOW is no better than the feminists.

@@James_36 The only way there would be no financial gain for her is if you are making less money than her, even then though she can still get the better of you through the family courts. If you did get married, got assets and children then at any time there is a divorce she will win. In general the only time the father wins is when she is a known drug user thats it. Maybe, if your living in a 3rd world country or maybe a 2nd world country with less westernization you may be able to get in and out of a divorce unscathed. Here in the US though, its the state against you with the lawyers on her side egging her on to lie and slander you in the most fowl ways. The family courts want to get paid and they will make sure that you the man pays because they take part of the proceeds either way. Don't want to pay, they can put you in jail for that where you will become stuck in a enteral loop of getting in and out of jail because no one will hire you.

I was talking to a buddy of mine he knows someone and he uses a “dating website” where he can get girls every weekend. $100-$300 per pop lol 😂 This is how the game is played now I guess.

​@@excelself cheaper than some dates, plus the sex is guaranteed instead of the likelihood of being led on.

@@bperez8656 $100 to $300 and you good bro.

@@bperez8656 he's talking about the term not the actual concept

Found the incel

More important than who is why.

And then you got redpilled 🧟‍♂️’s who say that it’s men that control the relationships. Lmao women have the upper hand in every aspect of dating. Including relationships. Maybe 5 thousand years ago men had more power because women would have to worry about a violent male after rejection but now a days the government protects them in every step through their life. They don’t need men anymore realistically apart from sperm.

College educated women initiate divorce 85% of the time. Average is 70% initiated by women. So either every single man on earth magically got worse in every way overnight, or women’s self esteem got inflated overnight by attention online. Not sure which is true, maybe both lol

As a married man, Chris needs to be updated on his marriage stats. I would never advise other men to get married in the current environment

@@EGH181he has never been married himself so talks like a hypocrite tbh

I know that tap dancing in a minefield is a stupid idea without having to try it for myself.

Yeah and theirs a real possibility your friend will rob you one day, a real possibility if your religious you will go to hell, theirs a real possibility you could get in a car crash, theirs a real possibility you could have a brain aneurysm, theirs a real possibility you could walk out your door and a bullet could fall out of the sky and kill you. Get a grip on yourself for pitty sake you sound like an anxious nightmare of a human. You let fear guide your life and that’s a sad way to live.

@@taghazoutmoon5031 To me only child support makes sense and it shouldn't be a percentage and also shared between both parents, a fixed amount that covers the necessary expenses (food, clothes, school, public transport, health, hobbies and housing) for the child in question in the area he was born in (Don't move to LA with my child and make me pay for it when we had him in Texas or Kansas), if one parent isn't able to pay, the other will pay it completely, if neither can pay then and only then should they receive support from the state. That's my view. Every other thing they make peoplepay after the divorce is crazy and illogical. (I speak of men, because in the majority of cases they are the ones f*cked over by this system and also the only ones to lose their own flesh and blood, state don't take away children from the mother except in very extreme situations)

It's also interesting that the age of men when they get divorced is very similar to the average age of men who kill themselves. But nobody is ever going to do a study to see if this is coincidence or something more as nobody is interested.

Yer, they kind of glossed over that, saying worry about it further down the line.. yer right, when you lose your house, pension and pay support for the next 20 years.. worry about it then!

Genuine question - would this be fixed by everyone just doing a prenup?

@@ChrisWillx A prenup doesn't always work in a court where the judge just dismisses many points in the prenup. I don't know how the law in the US works exactly, but here in europe a prenup is not a guarantee for not losin everything. There are tons of "invalid clauses" that get ripped apart in court.

Not quite. Women aren't being approached much anymore. So if you do approach and are respectful, charming and have good game, then you stand out a mile. An app cannot replace real-life, holistic experience.

​@@RhetoricalMuse Several studies contradict this statement, and I personally know several men in my generation who prove it. I consider myself to be above average in terms of attractiveness, and some women in their thirties have approached me, possibly because I possess several characteristics that would make me a desirable partner, particularly my financial status. However, my use of Trenbolone and excessive levels of progesterone in my blood may have dampened my sex drive in to oblivion. In contrast, the average men in my social circle have never had a girlfriend. According to some studies, in approximately 15 years, half of the male population will be single due to the "option paradox." Women are projected to earn more on average than men, and they tend to date men who are socially higher up in the hierarchy rather than lower down especially in long term relationships.

I wish I had evidence to say otherwise. At my peak I had a lot of success doing cold approach, that was 10 years ago. Now I can't get a single date. I'm getting ghosted 100% of the time doing the same technique. I have women friends telling me I should have no problem getting dates because of my status and masculine traits. However I like to lay low and stay off social media. Honestly I believe women have just raised their standards extremely above the average men. For illustration purposes, It used to be average or bellow average women would get in relationship with average or above average men. That doesn't exist anymore. Think about how normalized it has become to complain about men. In fact, they're complaining about the same top 20% of men that treats them like garbage because those men have so many options.

@@sad_wrangler8515 what studies? Done cold approach for a good bit, it’s definitely effective as you actually stand out unlike the masses that are liking a girls profile, a study was done that looked at what was considered a good profile for a guy and a good profile for a girl, the guys profile got 200 likes but the girls got 700, roughly 70% of female profiles are attractive whereas only 5% of male profiles are considered attractive when surveyed, I believe ok Cupid did that precious survey I will have to pull sources, point is it’s hard to stand out in online dating The real problem with PUA is that there is a lot of it that is dated information that is suboptimal compared to newer stuff coming out by coach’s who do it full time in Vegas/Miami/Prague modern day pua focuses on behaviors and connecting whereas the older school stuff was focused on gimmicks that they thought were working but in reality it was other stuff that was working that they didn’t realize until later, the problem is that the old stuff was so praised and marketed that finding the techniques that actually work are very hard to stumble upon Approaching women now is easier than it used to be b/c so few do it now, and even fewer do it properly among those few, people forget our brains didn’t evolve with money and societal status, we evolved for connection, men more looks focused women more for behaviors Behaviors included: -strong sexually intentful eye contact -speaking from the diaphragm slowly and lowering the pitch of sentences at the end -dominance, ie touch tease tell etc -having standards not being needy -having other women into him -being able to connect and be socially intelligent Those are the primary ones, successful guys are doing those behaviors

@@sad_wrangler8515 These guys still think that romance is what predicts success in dating. No, it's your height and your economic success as you found out once you became economically successful. Your physical attributes (like your sick tren-delts) are the cherry on top. Congrats on the (I assume) sick physique.👍 (Just don't go crazy with the tren and start fcking fat chicks on the subway!)

Holy shit this is a great way to put it and made me rethink my situation. I've been falling apart as a person the past year, and I realize it's because all my social relationships and patterns were upended. I've always considered myself an independent, resilient person, so this has been really demoralizing. But I now realize that I'm just not resilient to being alone. I don't depend on other people, but I still need them around to feel "normal", so I do depend on their presence in my life.

Men need purpose.

Good way of putting it! The fact there are plenty of military men who struggle a lot when getting back into civilian life is a testament to that! Even the likes of MrBallen can attest to that (I think he recently spoke about this in a recent interview as well)!

exactly. stay free men. no nagging women, no kids no child support, no illusions and disney fantasies, no spending money on bs, having a wife at home who rejects you sex, whos prob gonna cuck you or get obese. people who get married are fools. and dating for now is for weirdos. they marrying women who were monkey backfliups with 20 different chads and tyrones before you came and put a ring on it. lmao men just became to aware and conscious of how females nature is. thats why we are not associating w them. let the fools go and marry them.

Heal from that. Then go live your own adventure with a wonderful woman and your own loving children. Your past is not your future. You can learn to be better!

Amen brother. I see absolutely ZERO reason to voluntarily ask the legal system to get involved in your relationships or personal business and choices. Marriage is an institution of control. It is a historically political institution. In other countries and cultures, like Japan or France, marriage is seen as what it is, like a business contract, and everyone knows it has nothing to do with romance. Affairs are expected and even condoned. The U.S. was founded by Puritans and we still suffer from their distorted morality and sexuality.

@@Foxie770 please stop. He just told you his life was ruined by his father’s ordeal and you tell him to ignore it? This is astounding

@@yezkex please tell us what qualities to look for that will protect us from divorce, being mistreated/cheated on. Please almighty wise one

Amen

Perhaps we should also just go the gym where it will make us magically taller.

Getting married 2-3 times in this post contraception pill /post feminism age us not being resilient, it's being an enabler

That's what I didn't like because it's too overly assumptive.

It also went from guys sharing experiences and helping each other on forums, to a business of dbags selling overcomplicated and reinvented nonsense to clueless guys, the fundamentals still work just fine, online dating is just a kinda hard barrier for some guys who could probably charm the pants off girls if he could get dates and practice, but he is fighting a kinda false abundance women experience along with a creepy algoritm before he can ever get to spend time with women. Also no real male spaces to bounce ideas off more experienced men anymore.

Oh yeah, you seen those stats on Okcupid? It's no wonder the women on Kevin Samuel's show thought they could get a high value million dollar man with a million children. These dating apps inflated their standards from the attention they got.

also puts make men feel worthless. They tell you got to be alpha male. Well alpha males are rich bosses. small percentage of men can be an alpha male.

@@jsgdkdating apps are not a good benchmark for anything It’s tough. I definitely don’t do that well on them. I’m not great at taking great pictures. The conversation is unnatural and forced in a lot of cases because you’re talking to someone who you literally don’t know at all Real life is 100 percent different. I don’t have much trouble at all Despite the proliferation of dating apps… real life is still where it’s at Just gotta be willing to go places and form those real life social circles that lead to meeting people in real life

For guys willing to get out there, have a go, fail a whole bunch but improve each time, there are a lot of opportunities. Because so many people go on the apps, there are a lot of opportunities out there. If you're willing to go out and fail a whole lot and tolerate the pain, you can meet some really good pretty ladies and get a lot of joy. It's hard, but it's not THAT hard

They are the biggest shysters, they made 8 figures off hopes and dreams of incels

I think it's all about how you use the tools. I never paid a program and just their content (and others) together with my own experimentation, not pushing myself too much, took me to be better. Not a Chad but good enough to get more experiences and options. And now I'm in a quite amazing relationship (and challenging too at times, of course). It wasn't and isn't easy but it's way better (at least for me) than nothing.

@@maumiceli great point dude and something the bitter chodes don't get. So many people (myself included) got significant reults just from their free material and our own hard work.

@@Waldo-Manfred their best content is free

Yes agreed

Dating itself is flawed, arranged marriages have kept societies flourishing for thousands of years.

​@@ronnie5329 elaborate 🤔

It’s called hypergamy. Women outside the western world look at his wallet first ( as nature tells them, they want someone that can provide). In the west more and more women make their own money, so now, in stead of just having a nice job, you need to have a fun personality, be attractive yada yada. Question is: You want a woman that is not primarily picking you for your money ( but cooks meals etc.) or do you want a woman that makes money herself too so is more picky with the guy she chooses?

@@linasandbergen4246 Nah that's a trope people believe. Money has only existed for several thousand years. It isn't built into our id/DNA. Foreign women go for us because we have good genes (intelligence, height, and so on).

Proverbs 21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

I'm going to Sweden to find a wife 💯 it's the perfect plan 🦹‍♂️

@@killa-ma-jig7281 Sweden huh? Well a Muslim country probably is the best place to find a wife.

@@ajsouza3720 That's a last resort brotha 🤙The middle east ain't goin anywhere lmao Latin America chicks be bad too! I'ma check out the nordic countries, Holland, Switzerland first. Women there are the most beautiful on the planet... Now if I can can get one with a decent attitude? Hell yeah 😎

@@mickethegoblin7167 Well I guess I'll find that out for myself mate 🤣 If not, then on to the next continent 💀

He's a late bloomer!

Exactly hypocrisy is usually very obvious

Lolo that is sus

The feeling in the gut after eating a healthy meal compared to after cake and cokes ad libitum. Not to mention the claustrofobic post nut clearety.

There's a guy in The Game who was the typical naturally gifted guy who got laid no problems ever. He did this for years but then Neil Strauss met up with him again and the guy was a monk or some shit. He went celibate, kept a religious book with him (forgot which one) and quoted it constantly. The guy literally got tired of hooking up and decided to turn it all in and just serve God.

@@epictetusghost1369 Men go down with the ship and watch the life boats disembark slowly awaiting rescue from other men who were not there for the tragedy.

I get what you are saying. I was at a similar state. My family are folks who are terribly good at giving game and I happened to be the runt of the family who wasn't I was terrible. But I wanted to better myself and I am not where I want to be, I am at a better state. I notice glances bur I am still awkward, I am still broke. I am still working on my faults. I try not to look for overly pretty girls anymore because I aim at what I can catch/ date. I think that dynamic is better because it's more realistic. Pretty girls come with so much and the self-help genre lacks so much context behind the lack of personal development. You have to read between the lines and acknowledge the subtext. Telling people the usually "hit the gym and just have confidence" schpeel is lacking. They are helpful but how do you have confidence if all your life from family to the girls you tried to hit up that you are sub-par? I get what you're saying; that it's hopeless but I think it depends on how you look at it. I say, if you keep repeating the same task, failing and expecting a same result then it's no wonder you're burnt out. Find a differing vantage point. Get a hobby, eat some good food and try to make small talk. Small things and encourage yourself. You're awesome and you're alive today. Instead of looking at the bigger goals you didn't make, look at the smaller goal you did make. Look around and be proud. You're not living under a rock, you made an allegory online. Build off that. Maybe you are a poet. Confidence means "with faith" so have faith and build off small achievements. Speak kind words to yourself. What you say is powerful. What reddit's cynicism says is powerful so be careful of their words. They can influence to be cynical and depressed. Listen less to them. They can suck away your hope.

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Crohn's disease and all.

​@RevanKnight56 when most of society is misandrist, even saying women aren't perfect is mysogony.

researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue. People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her. A lot of guys have never had that. This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that. The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow) Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society. What are we seeing in the west now? Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, anomie and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels. White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes. Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends. White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle. With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be dehumanising and toxic. Peace

@RevanKnight56 Society seems to like bashing men because men often allow it. Rarely do men take a real stand or call out against poor behavior, poor treatment, unjust laws and policies, etc; instead, they often just sit there and take it no matter how bad it gets. Women, on the other hand, won’t hesitate to boycott, protest, cancel, shame, etc in order to get what they need or want which is why society may feel like they can dog men as much as they want, but will immediately put the breaks on when it comes to offending or mistreating women.

I'd say a incel is pathetic by definition because the term implies (1) ugly (2) broke (3) no social skills. All a true incel needs in order to ascend from inceldom, is something like 300 bucks. Though I certainly understand that some incels want a real relationship, but they probably just crave an unrealistic fantasy, because relationships generally suck. I hope True Forced Loneliness people out there figure things out, but I think they're barking up the tree if they're seeking "love".

Big bang is pseudo science

It’s moreso that 80% of the women truly desire 20% of the men. I’d say a greater percentage of men can participate, but the women feel they are settling for these men

@@themarathoncontinues4211 this is more accurate. They swipe on the 20. Which means chances are IRL in their heads, they are attracted to about 20% on the face. But this doesn’t mean they are smashing. Many women will point out this caveat like it somehow diminishes the point but it doesn’t. 80% of men are not desired on the face. And while true that a decent chunk of those men can make up for it with nonphysical attributes, point stands that 20% doesn’t have to do sh!t except maybe say hello. My hypothesis is that if the 80% as a whole truly understood intuitively what that meant, attention would dry up because men would logically conclude after a cost benefit analysis that it’s not cost effective. And so, to retain said attention, they lie.

@@lordofgingers I have to agree. These dating apps just reveal the reality of their physical standards/preferences. It’s a reflection of real life. I still think the best chance for men in the 80% is through social circles. But this is definitely a bitter pill to swallow for many men - one of those situations where ignorance may be bliss. The idea of having to jump through hoops isn’t appealing to most

@@themarathoncontinues4211 no it is not appealing in the slightest. In fact, the idea disgusts me

@@lordofgingers I’m same way. I’m trying to lean down to see where I really stand and then go from there. Rn it’s hard to tell since I’m not lean enough. But I can see why a lot of men are checking out.

Based on Pew Research Center stats: 51% of males under 29 are single vs 32% of females. After age 30, however, the gap continuously narrows and then reverses and the ratio of single females to males becomes 50% F vs 20% M by age 65. The gap continues to widen to 70% F / 30% M and continues to widen. Older women who are single often need to date someone significantly older than them because even in older age, men seek younger women. These women often become caretakers, then widows. I think what is scarier is that the rate of loneliness in Western society is becoming an epidemic. A horrifying number of people report having no significant friendships, no meaningful connections, 50% eat all of their meals alone every day. The high rates of being single among young men is definitely a problem. Unfortunately, it's one component of an extraordinarily large problem that makes me fear for our society.

Time to bring back the buddy system when it comes to dating

​@Turing Mochi all its mostly in western countries that this problem were happening

These pick up artists were scammers who convinced alot of men to cold approach stranger women which, not surprisingly, were catastrophic failures, and ended up bringing in harsh stalker laws As for the PUA guy that Chris mentions "Mystery", he was a chad, a millionaire "journalist" if I recall correctly, who already had women on rotation He's allowed to dress like a fairy, and the girls will just marvel at his stunning and brave coolness If a chump low on the totem pole tried that, he'd be laughed out of court

Women control the access to sex, men control the access to relationships, men need to increase their standards and gatekeep, simple as.

Fraudsters pass on potential victims who are wise to your tricks.

Thoughtful women don't exist. The mere thinking process is anathema to anything female.

Guys that look like shaved gorillas do well with women. All men can maximise their looks to some degree. You can be the bearded geek hipster guy, the athletic guy, the shaved headed Jason statham guy, the well dressed preppy guy, the rugged guy, the ripped guy, the businessman looking guy, find a look and just Rock it.

Because they don't. Incels>PUA>doesn't work>Incels

Dunno about PUA to Incel, but Incel to PUA to MGTOW describes my early to mid 20's very well.

If you want to understand women, talk to your mother. She is one. And she loves you-

@karinelaxa959 But she is a womanand women have an image of what other women are that does not correspond at all with reality. Listening to my mother when it came to women and relationships got me frienzoned and abused time an again, and taught me never to listen to women whenever it came to women. And judging by what I've seen online, I'm not the only one.

@@karinelaxa959 Rule number 1 : never take any advice from a woman concerning m/w relationships ^^ This rule applies to both men and women.

Yeah bro. It's scary out here how the culture really breeds entitled women; but moreso an entitled society.

4 main reasons a woman files for divorce: 1. Adultery 2. Lack of emotional support/understanding 3. Finances 4. Spousal abuse

Thats wrong a great deal of the divorces from women are no fault divorce just i want out so im gone

Time to get that passport.....breh😁

@@user-kb1hw2yq2f Chris is frankly a simp, he interviewed a porn star and rather critique her and her decisions he was simping and called a clever business woman, honestly he has that sir Lancelot affect no matter the woman’s choices in life

@@guardianwaldo There usually is a reason if it may seem to other person it's a "no fault".

He didn't even drive a pickup, probably just a car artist or something.

​@@HereTakeAFlower...wha lol

Oh definitely not. But I guarantee the guy had some distorted thinking. He said he was perfect, he drove a BMW and expected women to flock in his vicinity. He later got really jaded and went full-Hatred at a park.

Exactly what redpill does

That's why you desire an analysis - not a specific result. Science it.

​@@wyleecoyotee4252 well brother redpill is atleast gives a guideline that actually works in real life. You shouldn't go extreme with anything extremism is bad in everything

I've never had this experience. Have you actually had this or are you a virgin pretending you've been on a date?

@@momartyr I think that's just a you problem

​@Who Is men are romantic? Yeah, right.🤣🤣🤣

@Who Is the woman whose husbands divorce them once their diagnosed with an illness that makes them bedridden and unproductive also feel the same way.😒

@@momartyr do you have the study that backs that number up? 🙄

Bez laži.

researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue. People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her. A lot of guys have never had that. This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that. The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow) Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society. What are we seeing in the west now? Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, anomie and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels. White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes. Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends. White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle. With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be dehumanising and toxic. Peace

It's the requirements for talking about this issue officially. If you admit a few blkplls and it's over for you. So they always get the most blue pilled people to talk about this. A chad trying to explain the blkpll will talk bs of the highest tier, but still get all the clicks. Every clip that he makes, reinforces what we have learned.

Yes. And, no. The whole segment relies on obfuscation to sound interesting. If the point is young men need a more nuanced, delicate and competent approach to the red pill than what's out there. Sure, fine!

Correct it was and always is a complete grift. It’s total nonsense to think you can intellectually figure out women and then use strategy to win over a woman to your way of liking. I mean if you read what I said the natural instinct response to my sentence is to laugh out loud at it. I mean a girl who is not appealing to me in any sexual way is never ever ever going to attract me no matter what she does or says

researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue. People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her. A lot of guys have never had that. This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that. The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow) Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society. What are we seeing in the west now? Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, anomie and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels. White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes. Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends. White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle. With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be dehumanising and toxic. Peace

For younger girls looks matter more, but even then it's never just that. Popularity, confidence, dominance, social skills, sense of humor. Those things have developed already.

Would you mind talking a little bit about why you think it made you resentful?

You need to be good looking enough to have her be into you. Once you do you have the looks then personality, character, being fun, social skills, etc come into play to keep her into you. The blck pill teaches looks over everything. The red pill says we need game, money, and status. I think we need to maximize every aspect of our life as much as we can. Up your money, looks, career, social skills, hobbies, fitness, and health. Upgrade your car when your able to. Upgrade your home. Be the complete package. Leave no stone unturned.

If you think PUA is compliments then you don't know PUA. It's more about being alpha and in charge, pleasing is the worst thing to do and women loathe it. They therefore do love somebody with a good game. For some, looks are more important than others but never listen to what women say they find important. PUA is only part of a larger picture and part of that is status and proof of strength, caretaking skills, responsibility and intelligence. Handsome doctors don't need PUA.

@@taghazoutmoon5031 it’s not easy if you’re a run of the mill man. It’s very easy if you’re a run of the mill woman and you seek it out. It is why this single major double standard that benefits men exists. Because it’s actually a challenge for men. Not that it matters anymore. After social media and dating apps came out that was the final nail in the coffin for many

@@taghazoutmoon5031 Yeah. Once you crack the code, it's like shopping with money in your pocket.

​@@taghazoutmoon5031 Exactly hooking up with hoes its just a waste of time.

I love how people hate incels but these are the guys who had worse hand in life and trying do something with themselves yet people openly bash em to virtue signal their tribe that I'm better than these guys yet your using the same things.

@@taghazoutmoon5031 I agree with you. However, the lack of empathy for mens plight and brushing off of the inherent libido gap between men and women that causes this dynamic in the first place is, in my opinion, disconcerting

Late to the party at the 360k/769k mark. At least you got a bot comment before me though!

@@PrestoJacobson I'm just that lucky 🍀 😜

researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue. People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her. A lot of guys have never had that. This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that. The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow) Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society. What are we seeing in the west now? Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, anomie and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels. White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes. Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends. White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle. With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be dehumanising and toxic. Peace

I assume this is some seed comment for a bunch of posters referencing some fake financial guru. Don't fall for these scams.

I thought redpill meant understanding female nature and then walking away. I guess it can mean anything these days, but this is the MGTOW definition. While a black pill is a particularly uncomfortable truth which may have repercussions wrt. actions in life since essentially "love" and other fantasy constructs are off the table. A red-pilled guy would be avoiding cohabitation and marriage while perhaps dating if he derives something from it. A black-pilled guy would just avoid women entirely.

Was just about to ask the same. Dude pick another back drop....

It's the algorithm. Posting shorts is a 'thing' to get more views in main content.

Bro, if you don't have your Christmas tree up in March, you are probably an Incel!

Ha ha jealous

​@@mryeetproductions jealous? Of THAT?! A pubic paintbrush? 😂

@@ancientfuture9690 yep girls love to do that shape in the vajeyjey lol

​@@excelself He might have stolen it. You think some woman is searching it right now?

Correct it's a strange title. Real PUA's get laid unless they are complete fakes. They do stay single, all they know is conquest, not how to keep her.

PASSPORT KING= Goes overseas and gets hot submissive girlfriend

Reality - no man understands a woman and any man claiming to is sellling you a box of lies

No, MGTOW = I understand women, there is a chance, i just prefer spending my time doing something else

Exactly this!! People forget the adpocalypses devestated the mgtow and redpill channels. Reddit banned everything right of Mao and that included Redpill/mgtow content as well.

Nope. You can be average looking, but with great game and it works.

PUA doesn't work if you're actually ugly. If you're average yes.

It does if you are average, but the ammount of effort to pull it off is disgusting.

@@RhetoricalMuse a lot of these incels drawn to it aren’t average from what I’ve seen. They are markedly BELOW average: either in height, facial attractiveness or some other major physical feature.

@@RhetoricalMuse dear me how lost are u

MGTOW and red pill come down to what you describe as real red pill. They shift priorities. There is no ideology or hatred, just a conscious decision to never marry again. Contrary to popular belief, they are not against relationships or affairs. But cautious in those areas, sure. If there is any hatred it is against not being free and getting a really bad deal.

Some of the hottest chicks I've ever dated were off dating apps. Just have to catch the right ones at the right time because they're usually not on there long due to all the garbage options pining for them

I'm so glad you leave them alone

@@adamwebb1706 Pat yourself on the back for that one, did you?

@@imapseudonym6198 nope.just had amazing sex

@@adamwebb1706 .... Okay? And?

@@imapseudonym6198 sex is awesome

Truth. That shift from what you thought was a romantic issue to the reality that it’s an existential issue

indeed, the host was really reductive and dismissive by asserting financial ruin in divorce is an outlier, and hell, even that by proxy, divorce is an outlier. Unreal the tone deafness, just to peddle some toxic positivity shtick.

Preach!

@@GonzoT38irony is they are both are terrified of upsetting women out there who might listen them lol. Some masculine resilience there guys. These YT people who are peddling these podcasts are a big joke

These 2 genuises think all the millions of men, who struggle from the same problems, are living in the basement and make no money. That they don't apprach women, but also were pickup artists and that all their individual experiences don't count.

@@nocturnaljoe9543 last time I talked to a girl was 10 years ago. They were never interested in any way, shape or form. I have nothing to offer to a potential partner anyway. I've been wage slaving for minimal pay from the moment I finished high school (2 euro per hour). I am barely making ends meet.

@@nikolapetrovic4814 You probably were a PUA 10 years ago! Well my friend. Just get yourself out there. Gym max. Career max. Style max. Mindset max. Game max, shoot for the stars and never give up. You got this. But seriously. If what you say is true, then you are in a dark place. If you can escape somehow, then do it. You could leave your country and get work somewhere else. Best luck.

@@nocturnaljoe9543 too much money and effort needed. I don't care anymore.

@@nikolapetrovic4814 Then why did you watch the clip?

Yep

Yes. Men who score with lots of women end up looking at women with contempt. Promiscuity desensitizes both sexes, and is very harmful for both. Simply in different ways.

​@@redcatofdeath🤌

Yes. Most women are boring.

@@redcatofdeath So how do you avoid that? How to settle for someone if you need to look and find that someone?

@@groob33 Him too, but he mentioned Tyler and Max from RSD at 3:55

@@groob33 i also think he meant rsd max

There's a lot of overlap with autism which despite their anti-social ideation usually makes them ineffectual in actually carrying it out but not always

The hate and bitterness you recieve, if you daaare to contradict their narratives is patheticly entertaining. Always makes me think of pathetic pony tail guy from Good Will Hunting..

They are not narcissistic they are helpless. No one guiding even people you think they are helping you are using you for money 💀 how do you think what's going on in their head

@@TheThreatenedSwan Sure. Some in the incel community are autistic, and autistic men struggle in the social arena. There’s enough of an overlap that even sociopaths will sometimes claim to be autistic, to appear benign and claim some plausible deniability to their “misunderstood” manipulations. Even a grandiose narc will claim to be “a little” autistic if it provides some leeway. But I’ve not known many autists that carry beliefs that they are superior or ought to have been. I’ve never known An autist who believes they’re entitled to indemnity, that refuses to account or troubleshoot solutions, even when they have a social misunderstanding. That tends to be cluster B’s that INTENDED to cause harm for personal gain, or the grandiose narcs that want something for nothing. Be it promotion, perfect job, praise, admiration, envy, sympathy, less responsibility, perks (reasoning why should THEY change their actions when they’re already perfect, therefore it’s the imperfect world cheating them out of what they deserve). The type of narc that built their personality around being denied a special/grand or superior status/career/relationship. So while I have known some autists to apply “pick up” logic to something, and even worked with a guy on the spectrum that told me his convoluted approach applied to leading team teaching exercises, (same guy admitted to bombing at trying to be a pick up artist when first dating, until radical honesty helped him find a woman who was very similar to him), most autists I’ve known are open to discussion & trying something new. That coworker was open to reviewing the efficacy of whatever solution he applied, with feedback from others. Not as attached to being endlessly victimized. I think the incel community is toxic “support” due to the prevalence of manipulative cluster B men, that drag other men trying out solutions, who just are going through depression, trauma or addiction. If they find something that works, the cluster B negativist loses self appointed superiority, and is exposed. He has no excuse to feign victim and he knows it.

@@GE0attack Reactive, defensive, thin skinned to feedback, sense of entitlement, chip on their shoulder, blaming others, expecting things to drop in their laps, lack of empathy or compassion for themselves or others. Yes they are narcissistic.

Hey your weaknesses of character means more for me😂

Be careful what you wish for indeed. People act like it's the holy grail. When found, most turn out to be fake trinkets anyway. Most women are not special and neither are men. Which is fine but we often choose the wrong one or just grow more unhappy long term. The pretty ones can be boring or narcissist. I'm glad I'm not as needy and I make a conscious choice to put very little effort into female attention if any at all. Even PUA seems like seeking superficial validation and IMO that is for losers. Mother nature doesn't care about happiness all that matters is conception.

@@FlorisDVijfdeit’s not the holy grail it made my father very bitter for most my life now he’s a grumpy boring individual. He has a partner but he just seems incredibly unhappy with what has happened. He married the wrong woman and had 3 kids when he isn’t father material or caring enough. I am suspecting I am part of a narcissistic “family” now looking into it. I am lucky (at the moment) but I picked a divorced woman who didn’t do the initiation rarely so I managed to get a good one ( so far who knows what is around the corner) not married though and never will be

@@James_36 As far as I know 99% of women will not make the first move, so I can't see that as rare. But you'll just have to take things as they come if you're happy now that's what matters. I don't believe in being guided by fear but see no reasonable point in marriage either.

@@FlorisDVijfde think you haven’t read my comment properly

@@James_36 What did you mean instead with "do the initiation" then?

that would be something, haha

I think he was a former pick up artst.

Lololol

I thikk he is kinda misguided, butin the full video but he did clarify that he isn't talking about men who are fulfilled in solitude, but the vast majority like myself that wanted a relationship, tried hard to get into one and after several failures are slowly being numb to relationships altogether.