A technical look and a deep dive into why exactly did the chassis of two Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 motorcycles broke and what I think could be the prevention for it. Let me know what you think in the comments below.
Brilliant.. So the bottomline is if there is crash guard or there isn't a crash guard, if the bolts start to slowly undo themselves -- let's just say we talk hypothetically from an RE engine vibration perspective -- so, the bolts get loose over time, the rider doesn't know that, the graph spikes and the chassis snaps. So eventually it's not the crash guard, it's the design itself and that is, either you hate me or agree with me is a blunder from an engineering perspective.
Right, and also i would say that the Official RE crash guards are just a waste of money as they dont actually protect the engine/ legs or both on a same time
None of the explanations makes any sense. It's like a politician providing justification for a bridge failure. RE very well knows the amount of customisation it's vehicle goes through. They purposely ensured that people can't fit non OEM for their own pockets. How come old models wherein there was no concept of accessories and bullets were able to manage it but newer models can't. RE at fault all the way.
You can still buy an old model double cradle frame Chassis RE scram if you can't understand and live with a modern stressed member engine bike like Himalayan. Just don't cry about increased weight, lack of power, vibration etc.
😂 try to over/under torque the bolts in ur cars lower arm and then see what happens, in a stress engined bike, every bolt is as important as that of the example given before. U should complain abt the mechanics not being upto date on the things that their job revolves around.
@@tazzjazzBro for TVS, Hero, KTM, Bajaj, Honda and Yamaha we don't hear such issues. These brands had engine as their stressed members for years now. And people install giant zoo cages in the name of crash guards.All of it is aftermarket. RE needs to also investigate how their competition deals with such engineering problems.
When the chassis breaking incident happened for the first time in the Himalayan 411, the excuse was B3 bike hai...BS4 mein ye problem nahi hai...then BS4 mein chassis tooti then the excuse was BS4 mein problem thi...ab BS6 wali bike mein nahi hai...or excuses like rental bike hai etc...ab H450 mein chassis toot gayi toh crash guards ki galti hai...and till date Royal Enfield has not come up with any official explanation for all these cases...influencers/journalists are only saying that "I was being told by RE" "RE informed me" "RE confirmed me"...There is no official statement from RE..
What he has written is in English and Hindi not gibberish, you lacking the knowledge to understand the mix of the two languages does not make it gibberish, and what he is saying is Royal Enfield is pulling bullshit out of thier ass as usual
Other Adventure motorcycles such as KTM Adv 390, the chassis never breaks even though many riders use aftermarket crash guards. There is a fault maybe everytime in RE engineering and that is why something or other happens to their vehicles. They said they test in Ladakh in very harsh conditions, they must test with every other possibilities.
bhai ktm 25 saal se adv bike banatahy ... RE haal fhil haal me dekha dekhi bikes banana suru kiya hy avi bahut kuch sikh na baki hy RE ko avi bahut bachha hy adv bikes bana ne k mamle me.. bhai ktm triamph bmw yeh saaab se RE bahut ddduur hy .. ktm is dakar winer , like honda afric twin all this bikes r varry robast and like JHakkasss.. RE to RE hy . hee heee
The Honda CB500x had a chassis break recently. There are numerous Tiger 900s that had a chassis break due to 3rd party crash bars. There are lots of BMW GSs and KTM big adventure bikes that have chassis breaks as well. I am not justifying for RE but the Himalayan is not the only adv to have chassis breaks. Other big adv bikes have chassis breaks as well.
similar thing happened in Vietnam with a Honda Nx 500. At least RE honoured the warranty. Honda didn't even accept a warranty claim. Total customer expense for a new chassis.
Abhinav Ji, Greetings to you. 1 the engine is mounted on the chassis cradle frame. The Left, Right engine vibration, weight balancing should be on a "link tie " with rubber danper nut bolt mounting external to the chassis front down tube with additional fixtures that do not interfere with the chassis cradle frame. All engine hard point to be on the CG, behind the engine frame. Any accessories should be fixed with additional, U clamps or other design that do not penetrate the engine cradle frame.
Sounds like damage control. How much did RE pay you to say this? There are thousands, if not lakhs of motorcycles here in India running aftermarket crash guards, never heard any other motorcycle with snapped frame. Why only RE? They blame the aftermarket guards yet fix those motorcycles under warranty? Both the owners also came out and said it's their own fault. Sounds very fishy. RE should spend their money in R&D and quality control instead of marketing and damage control.
RE will never accept their fault. Blaming the after market accessories also means that people will now only buy RE accessories. You see, its a win win for them.
Dude just think with your mind a bit open, the big brands who makes the engine as a stressed member and people who buy them generally do not use zana products mainly they use the GIVI or some other expensive crash guard brands. The problem here is the bike is new and as always indian accessory brands didnot put in a lot of research to make a compatible crash guard.. So this problem can be an issue.. The 3rd party companies must do some research or just ask about the tehnicalities of the himalayan and should have come up with a better product. I use himalayn 411 and use the zana engine guard, the part of the guard which bolts with the frame of my bike broke and stayed inside, it was a nightmare and had to drill the bolt out and re-thread it to use a new bolt. The mechanic told me that the quality of the guard is too bad and the weight of the guard was not well distribuited which resulted in stressing the bolted parts and they ultimaltely snapped off. I previously used the RE's original engine guard but it got bent when the bike fell down so thought of buying this zana and now i have some serious concerns..
@@95Ar98 whatever you said applies to KTM Adv and vstrom and other bikes as well. Forget advs, people add huge ugly cage like crash guards even on their street bikes. But I've never heard chassis breaking from any manufacturer. It's only RE. Why?
@@suhas.kotian bro do you know what a engine stressed frame is? very few bikes in india have that type of frame integration, so thats why i said that. Also It is the 1st time RE has made a bike with this technology.. so not everything can be like before... I am not defending RE but in this case i dont think RE is to be blamed completely.
@@95Ar98 lmao I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Most of the modern bikes use engine as stressed members and i'm not talking about commuter bikes here. Chassis breaking is RE specific issue, as customer we need to hold the brand accountable so that we get better products, not defend them.
bro are stop blaming customers, dont become fanboi and defend blindly, in that photo there was not crash guard, how can you confirm that its for crashguard?
Investing 3.5 lakhs on a bike and live at the risk of its chassis breaking.. this is Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 u want to say. Instead Its better to go with KTM adventure 390
Very sensible explanation, dear Brother. But allow me to say that RE has built a notoriety for chassis failure over the years. Even their bread and butter, Classic 350 & 500 were not without serious chassis issues. I can think of around 5 riders whose chassis has broken in the unlikeliest of places. I own the Desert Storm and I am a big fan of RE, but I must say their R&D on chassis is much to be desired. I guess the minimalistic chassis on the new Himalayan 450 was designed keeping in mind the weight factor. But considering that the machine is by no means light, I believe RE should have reinforced the critical chassis components using better steel. RE should know better by now that its riders will never stay contented without mods on their models and hence every model should be designed keeping in mind the potential abuse on them.
Here we go again. The original himalayan had some headstocks snap right off. Now we've got another frame problem. Many European and Japanese motorcycles use the engine as a stressed member with aftermarket crash guards. They don't break. I'm calling bullshit on this. I've never seen a torque wrench in India in 40 years. I never use crash guards. They're more hassle than they are worth. From an Brit in Himachal pradesh. Thanks for the video. Love India ❤
Brits were taking credit for designing and developing himalayan 452 in the RE facility in London . But after chasis breaking news all are blaming and cussing its made in india by indians . For your kind information ktm , triumph , Aprilia and harley davidson are also making in india 😅😅😅
Man just think with your mind a bit open, the big brands who makes the engine as a stressed member and people who buy them generally do not use zana products mainly they use the GIVI or some other expensive crash guard brands. The problem here is the bike is new and as always indian accessory brands didnot put in a lot of research to make a compatible crash guard.. So this problem can be an issue.. The 3rd party companies must do some research or just ask about the tehnicalities of the himalayan and should have come up with a better product. I use himalayn 411 and use the zana engine guard, the part of the guard which bolts with the frame of my bike broke and stayed inside, it was a nightmare and had to drill the bolt out and re-thread it to use a new bolt. The mechanic told me that the quality of the guard is too bad and the weight of the guard was not well distribuited which resulted in stressing the bolted parts and they ultimaltely snapped off. I previously used the RE's original engine guard but it got bent when the bike fell down so thought of buying this zana and now i have some serious concerns..
@@___SSS___at no point is the OP blaming India.. He/She is just saying that RE should take responsibility of this instead of blaming someone else. Or clearly state that owners cannot use aftermarket products. As for who takes credit, no matter what happens it's always the responsibility of the seller- no matter who/where it was made/designed.. We Indians have to build a reliable brand- like the Italians/Japanese have done. And that comes by taking responsibility
very good point Abhinav. Keep these types of content coming. You are becoming and encyclopedia fr Himalayan 450. I appreciate the amount of effort you have made. Your content selection is excellent
2021 411 himalyan was better That model is the strongest himalyan in terms of build quality I had 2-3 crashes 2 with stock crash guard and 1 with after market hyper rider cras guard Nothing happened to the bike I just do one thing - drive my bike with love ❣️ and not like its a tank 😅
What ever the justification Re gives is fine but even if someone installed an after market crash guard it should not just snap off with out the bike getting in to crash, we talking about metal here not ceremic.
@@ontwowheelsjoeSome Ducatis had this problem too. If you understand the function of those bolts, you will understand why. If you use incorrect torque on your car's suspension's joints, something will break.
I have a same bike I'm not using any crash guard but one of my friend using a RE crash guard but yesterday small fall down happened and the bike tank was little damage and also the crash was not broken but it was not protected the tank in this what RE will do they have build a good value for money crash guard. Its not good quality product.
Did they mentioned in anyplace the torque for those bolts for the oem crash guard? Have you aware of that the small service centre of RE does not even know how to fix it? Are you talking about using torque wrench? You should tell your connection in RE that they should mentiond the torque for their oem product in their mannual. I feel that RE should address the issue in a official way.
Used the engine as a part of the frame has always concerned me. When I had my R1200GS, I had problems that eventually totaled the bike. My enduro based bike (the klr) has a full engine cradle and although it’s a tank, I’m never concerned about the frame …
Himalayan 450 has Showa suspsion with (SFF - Separate Fork Function) which means one fork is for damping and other fork is for rebound. This causes a light twist to the chassis and hence the extra stress in the right side of the chassis. If its is caused because of engine is stressed member, many other bikes before Himayan 450 have the engine as the stressed member, they dont break even after many years with crashguard etc. Ask yourself, if this is happening because of the torque of a bolt, chassis can snap on the left side as well. Howerver the chassis is breaking only on the right side.
I love motorcycles. By profession, I am a japanese language interpreter. Your way of talking makes me feel to interpret it. I wish people in manufacturing and processing industry pickup ypur style and pace while elaborating their points. My life would be much better. I shall share this with my Indian clientele to help them understand how to talk their job.
3rd party products and unprofessional installations are every manufacturers nightmare. Look at 3rd party batteries catching fire and ppl blaming Samsung or Apple for compensation.... Where is the line, square wheels?
RE stooj spokeman call all of us as YOU, so he and RE are one party and we all buyers are the opposite party. Note how many time he uses YOU ( at 8:10 video eg.,). According to RE brown- -noser if 2 people die out of us every 40,000 people, its ok, no big deal. First H411, had the vertical chasis turn at right angle 90 ' all other off road bike have a 45 ' angle so that it can negotiate a stone or kurb, this RE H411 will get stuck just behind the front wheel ! I told them at opening function, but they correct it a little bit on H450, they should have copied hero Impulse or xpulse lower chasis angle. RE was popular just because, there was no other alternative just like Ambassador car. I WOULD NOT TAKE A RISK AND BUY A HIMALAYAN OLD OR NEW. How come not 1 single bullet 350 had a broken frame ? I am 75 now riding ( my father's )bullet since I was 16. That bullet made a mechanic out of an accountant ( me ). Dont believe in the crap that comes out of RE's ass which is this mouth piece.
TBH I own RE450 and always worried of some shit like this. RE tries to earn alot from accessories and imvest less in design and looks of Accessories therefore we go to aftermarket accessories. Eg. Headlight.. they know its not sufficient, Engine guard not at all attractive, seat to much expensive, No nuckle guard etc etc.. There is no sense in making the fitting and chasis so much prone to breakage. RE needs better engineering team I think.
Yes, RE learned nothing from the 411 frame disaster, instead they made another with the same problems, it took me 4 seconds when I looked at the new 450 frame to conclude no lessons learned, no changes made. They hired a donkey instead of a frame designer / engineer. The British bikes of old were designed by proper engineers, since those days RE have not been able to design much of anything. I was hoping they actually had an R&D department and decent engineers, looks like I was wrong.
RU-vidrs like you are acting like puppets of company. Talking nonsense. And company doesn't want to take any accountability. I would have agreed if this was a new issue. Everyone knows royal Enfield has a history with the same issues.
It's not royal enfield that is at fault, it is the after market manufacturers who haven't done enough research and development before releasing their products, for them it's a race to release their items first in the market and hence you see these issues coming up. A friend of mine too owns a himalayab 450 with an aftermarket crash guards . He was on his way from odisa to Mumbai when he noticed the main screw that holds the cage in place had fallen off and missing. After market products are good when there's enough time and attention given to detail . Not just sell a bloody roll cage which has zero engineering behind it. Think !!
Buddy you're not wrong But think about this for a second. Whu is the chasis breaking always a royal enfield thing? This isnt the first time it happened to a himalayan right? Engineering is very very complex and i will give them some benefit of doubt. But imagine you are an aftermarket manufacturer. How would you know that something that small would be the cause - for the chasis itself breaking?
bro u are saying that its such a poor design that a thing like crash gaurd which is so simple must be designed in labs for this particular bike. This is bullshit from REs side
@@charchitrajput8020you are ignoring the fact that the engine is a stress member for chassis, other companies using trellis or perimeter frame do not use engine as a stress member, so the bolts used to secure the engine can easily be used to install crash guards without damaging the chassis in other bikes
I understand the importance of torque settings on bolts, and nuts. But then again was the issue diagnosed properly? If yes, then RE should mention not to use after market parts. Not to mention in any case the Himalayan 450 is quite undercooked, the vibration levels are so high that it becomes unbearable after a certain point. And in my opinion the vibrations coming out of the engine and moving around all over the motorcycle is to be blamed. Thanks!
@@buzzlightyear1484 vibration is the essence of the Universe everything vibrates. But the engineering is so high that you don’t feel it, in any case the moment you start feeling that your body is shaking either you are sick or there is something wrong with you. So technically there is a threshold to everything, and anything beyond that is not good, I guess you haven’t ridden a Honda yet. Go ride one and you will realise what I am talking about.
If engine gurds installation can break chasis, that too of an "adv", I'm not sure I can get behind that indolence of quality check and deplorable build quality.
You did a good job explaining what the Enfield rep told you but at the end of the day, it's a failure point and it will harm confidence and sales..They need to fix it, redesign it, and offer work around.
They did and the fix is easy. Don't get after market crash guards, cause they are not considering the stress point on the frame. It's that simple. This is a failure of an aftermarket company and it is they who need to fix it or stop selling their product before they get sued by a costumer or RE themselves.
Man I used to love your videos, didn't expect you to be a sell out. I've owned multiple super bikes and so have you, most of them don't have factory crash guards and you need aftermarket ones. But you never see their chassis break. I have friends with Honda AT with aftermarket crash guards who have fallen and still nothing. This is just a lame excuse for poor engineering on REs end. Don't know if it was money or a free RE or what that made you spew this bullshit.
With all due respect, please stop referring to the cameraman as an object. Call him by his name, that's some basic decency, even though u might be paying him or a friend!
Good video. Only the brains which are ready to learn will understand your points. Lot of physics involved in designing a machine. We shouldn't disrupt any of its equations.
Another Sellout page. An adventure motorcycle is supposed to handle a lot of abuse. It's absolute BS that it can't handle the pressure at "these certain points", but the absolute meaning of an ADV bike derives from the fact that it can handle abuse. There are many examples to back my points up. I'm simply not intrigued by what he has to say and frankly I've been a fan of this channel since his R15 build days but 60% of my opinion says that this video is paid by RE. I had this feeling from the very first video of the new RE Himalayan that he ever posted on this channel.
BULLSHIT, we have been Using After Market Crash Guards Not Only On Adv's But all kinds of Bikes In India By Local Mechanics from ages. If Wrong Installation had been the Matter Than all other Bikes Chasis would have broken or Cracked. All Blame is on Royal Enfield. Royal Enfield is been EXPOSED again for Using Cheap/Inferior Quality Metals.
Bro that's a dumb argument. This is a different bike and COMPLETELY designed independently of all the bikes you're talking about. For example when Nokia 3310 was popular and apple made an Iphone, and it fell, it'd break easier. Now people weren't saying ki "I used so many bar phones and it was strong but this shit isn't, apple is at fault." It's just differently designed
Such a brilliant product but the two incidents has again brought the cloud of fear, anxiety and questions regarding the quality. Now even comes with the the cross spoke tubeless rims but I still cant overcome the fear to get this. And for a motorcycle that nearly cost INR 3.50 lakh, the quality is still not at the level of Scrambler 400X or ADV 390. I often wonder why. And no matter what RE says about how the chassis got snapped, it simply should've never happened. Not even once and these are not my words but Shubhabrata Marmar's.
This is why I ordered the RE sump guard. I am not a big fan of this twin spar frame. For me, its rigidity is a questionable spec under rare circumstances, transferring a major force to the head casting. I will be fitting my own when it arrives. I am a mechanic and do own an industry standard torque wrench. And beside the RE product looks to provide the protection I deem satisfactory & looks good. I am a bit sceptical of the rear mounting point rigidity. Cheers for the vid, stay upright. 👍 PS: I have another bike (KLX400r) for the rough stuff, so "horses for courses" as always.
For my first ADV bike I had it down to either a G310 gs or wait for the new Himalayan to finally get released here in the USA. I decided to pick up the G310 based on the fact that I'm a newer rider and I don't think a lot of power is important to me right now. Reading these comments. It looks like I really made the right choice. Sorry about your bike man. Hopefully they're taking good care of you. This wasn't your fault. Ride safe
@@Mr.R_GamingThere was a study in the UK that the so-called "leg guards" are more likely to cause injury than if they are not present. This applies to higher speeds.
@@rkr6237 I am not able to find the exact article that quotes the exact study and the whole story of the legislation as I read it a long time ago but you can google the Harry Hurt Report. It has a summary which includes a point on the effects of crash bars - reduced ankle and foot injuries but increased thigh and upper leg injuries.
But anyway design is bad , if you look at the pic of only chasis, I predicted earlier that those hot spots you are mentioning are very critical spot. I will buy but still don't like the chasis design.
The standard design on most of the bikes is engine on chassis but himalayan 450 is chassis on top of engine. That means engine is not sitting on chassis rather engine hanging under chassis that is the problem. Its not about installing aftermarket but the fault itself is chassis design. I too have himalayan 450 n I never observed the chassis. God save us 🙏 One thing I am going to do is I will get the after market engine gaurd removed and will install OEM so in case any breakage RE can take full responsibility
first question - chasis bresking footage of only one bike is out on public. not other one's, and in footage of that 1 bike in photos it shows that crash guard is not installed on it. i can get that bolt got loose and chasis broke, but how come RE said that it is due to crash guard ?? my second question - even if we have installed after market crash guard of a reputed manufacturer and sufficiently tightened the bolt and not overly tightened or loosly tightened, what to do next ??
As many reports of frames breaking as KTM cam shaft and electrical issues, Triumph control unit issues affecting lights(£1500 fix), Guzzi cam failures and not to mention loads of Chinese bike issues no one wish to touch. Ignore the ‘Test ride reviews’ and start looking at owner 10-20km reviews. Everything else is fashion verdicts.
In however way we try to justify this, can you explain one thing? Why does it happen only with RE? People run non genuine accessories on Adv390, expulse or any bike for that matter. What matters to consumers is others doesn't break, RE does. Decide for yourself.
There is a design flaw in RE Himalayan Chassie because 411 also had a chassis braking issue. Quality is not up to the mark. If RE knows about the chassis flaw they should better fix it because if anything like this happens abroad then what excuse will RE come up with. This is what happens when you cut the cost on a product. RE should invite Chris Birch to test their Himalayan not the automotive RU-vidrs for marketing.
In Himalayan 450 (and in fact all the upcoming motorcycles using Sherpa 450cc engine) will have engine as a stress member for the chassis and use specific torque adjusted bolts to equally distribute the stress among different parts of the chassis and to secure the engine, other motorcycles using trellis or perimeter frame do not use engine as a stress member, so the bolts securing the engine can easily be used to install crash guards without damaging the chassis. Also note, that among 40k+ sold Himalayan 450 models, only 2 have faced this incident and even with the same reasoning, so I think RE is not at fault here and still they repaired those 2 motorcycles considering under warranty. It's just that the brand Himalayan is such a fast growing and popular brand such that every small incident catches limelight, Like you see just the Tata cars catching fire every time.
Every other motorcycle in the indian market use aftermarket fittings because the OEM parts are coaslty none of those machines has a problem with that. Yet people are defending another poorly engineerd product from RE for God knows what reason.
People will never understand the significance of engineering and the research done even for a bolt. They just have one thing in mind - I"f it's tightened then it will work". So I own the same bike with rally engine guard and I abused the bike like a toy in tirthan valley trails , falling twice. Nothing happened and then I realised how well this motorcycle is made. Remember people, every shit that is not OEM is a "jugaad". It stays same for all mechanical parts.
Amongst all the REVIEWS ON "HIMALAYAN 450 ADV" "CHASSIS BREAKDOWN", your video provided the most technical explanation with R.E feedback. Most comforting with all possible alternatives required, to overcome the problem presented to rider community. Hope to see worrisome issue & solution reasoned by all riders clear their emotions by putting some thought. Thanku for this thoughtful one. Thank you & cheers.
Your engine mounting points are wrong...there is one more at aft of gear box near swing arm. Also plz refer the video from ZANA ...your pointing to aftermarket crash guard installation is wrong... All test vehicles are built with extra QC due to insurance...that wouldn't show failure.... There is something to do with assy tolerances...which induces additional stress points... Crash gaurds are non stressed members until the bike is falling down....if the ZANA can prove this using some load measuring devices...boom RE can be fixed.
I bought RE crash guard at showroom. One week later had a sound from engine area when bike it rough patches on road . Took back to dealer and they confirmed that the engine mounting bolt had come loose and they have now tightened it . That day I knew this is a weak point in this bike . What is guarantee they used right torque ? What if it was over tightened ? How can RE assume that people will not use non RE parts especially when RE is famous as a customisation platform ? This mounting point will continue to torment owners in my opinion
Bro, even at RE workshops, most of the service guys don't use any torque wrench and simply tighten the bolt with a regular spanner. I have a Himalayan and have visited RE service centres in Chandigarh and Delhi NCR. But the chalta hai attitude is there. Chandigarh was better though in terms of following protcols but Delhi NCR certainly not. Specially for Himalayan. So the design of chassis should not have only one point of failure that if a torque wrench isn't used, it'll break. A lame reasoning.
Lets say abhinav some one is driving at 100 km an hour speed and his chasis broke and the person dies will u still defend the brand please just accept it re has made inforior quality products before we as Indian customers dont deserve to die just because we installed a crash guard our influencers need to grow some balls
Sadly there are some immatures on this comment section has not interested to know the reason behind instead complaining just like noobs... Guys listen there are plenty of experts who underwent many checks and executed their accomplishment. So stop being stupid
Its simple. RE has a reputation of chassis breaking on their bikes (Himalayan 411, 650 twins) It has now happened on the new 450 If we compare TVS, Hero, Bajaj, KTM, Honda, Yamaha owners also modify bikes extensively. Yet the chassis never breaks (except for an accident) As a customer issues with Engine/tyres or other small things I can deal with But the chassis is the main part of the bike. It shakes your confidence in the company and the machine.
Why there is so much complication with Royal Enfield bikes....bought himalayan 452 now I regret on my choice....why they just put all accessories and put a higher price tag.....paid 3.6L and live with the anxiety what ever can happen to these bike shit....
you dont need to think about any of this as long as you dont mess with the frame. Royal Enfield is not the kind brand which will skim on quality in such fundamental parts, they cant afford to do that. Enjoy your bike!!🤙🤙
*your modification won't suit your bike ...kinda type of overkill. Brand new bikes come with a crash guard. then why did u fix another?* Camer come closer 🎉
Why complicate a simple issue ? Chassis is the backbone the strongest part of bike - no matter how much you justify chassis braking is unacceptable - that’s it - the end of the story. Have we ever heard of Hondas Kawasakis Suzukis , Hero, Bajaj, TVS with chassis braking issues- never even after 10 or 20 years of usage. RE seriously needs to rework
I like the latest J series platform Bullet, Classic, Meteor, etc. I'm neither a fanboy nor a hater of RE. What I need to ask is, why did they build the RE Himalayan with this kind of frame instead of a user-friendly off-roader chassis? When we compare it with other premium and costlier off-road motorcycles in India, the Himalayan is an affordable option, except for the XPulse. So, what is the need to use this kind of chassis in an affordable adventure category motorcycle? For improving the adventure riding experience, they could have used a more advanced chassis with user-friendly characteristics. Despite the benefits, they can't deliver the motorcycle on time, which is understandable. However, they also can't deliver the OEM accessories on time. Even if we get them, they are too costly for customers to afford. Due to the unavailability of OEM accessories for the Himalayan, if a customer opts for external accessories for comfort, it could break the chassis and result in a hefty bill.
Whatever illogical support you give for RE bike... This is not accepted... installing crash guard will break the chasis...... touring bike is all about exercising the bike with oem or outside...that the beauty.
Jada gayan mat chodo. Dont defend royal Enfield. I think less FOS taken in CAE by the royal Enfield. So dont talk about Simulation and analysis. If you have CAE report, share with all. Otherwise dont talk again on the Simulation. Accessories is common in india. Everyone using in all motorcycles. Which is avaliable in india market . Royal Enfield should be think about indian consumers. Also design should be according to indian consumers think. Try to share feedback to the company. Not consumer.
We have seen many instances of Re-Welded RE Himi 450 Frames... Its QC issue where they re-welded frames, bet that had the same. This is RE's fault. When you design frame you take FOS. These aftermarket Crashguards are Crap, but still it cannot break a chassy. If that was the case they should have not given such mounting option and prohibited the installation of such crashguards saying it will break their chassy (if they actually did the analysis). Its RE's fault.
But one of them chassis broken bikes Hanle black has no any crash guard installed on it. What would you say about that and why the bolts are fallen down?
Ohh, Same chassis break issue since first model, no fix yet. What's the meaning of this explanation, chassis is not an after market accessory. A brand is playing with people lives openly and paying such 'reviewers' for damage control. There are other ADV bikes in the market as well, have u seen this issue there? Oh Common yaar. I'm waiting for RE to come up with the statement that, don't ride our ADV bike on extreme off-road😂
If the chassis was not messed with, bike Not dropped from a mountain, then FAULT is and will always be with RE ! It is the basic building block of any chassis based vehicle, Stress and Vibration are its companions ..if it breaks, it means design or Manufacture fault
This issue is not so simple as you or RE explain. but before I continue, I must first say I have great respect for Royal Enfield as they have made zillions of great motorcycles and built them from scratch. I am not an engineer of Motorcycles, I haven't ever built a single one. But I come from a rally and motocross background , being among the best riders in the country at that. I have broken dozens of engines, chassis , rims , suspensions in my long riding years, I ride hard. Royal Enfiled should have used 'test horses' instead of mules. these 'test mules' obviously never did any competitive off-roading and have no authority to test motorcycles to their extreme limits. Please study any modern off-road motorcycle frame, specially motocross. The 'tube' under the tank in these motorcycles is a 4 inch thick aluminium beam of hi-grade aluminium with a cradle frame. The Himalayan 450 steel tube under tank is more or less like a bicycle frame . and with such a vibey and heavy engine to compound the stress to it, and when they delete the cradle, it's a thin line to disaster. I could be wrong but im relying on design aesthetics and pure instincts rather than mathematics . Great Motorcycles are not made in conference rooms or in labs or on paper or in computers. but they are ridden through hell and high water and broken before they are re-engineered and sold. This is not the case in the Himalayan 450. I could be wrong, but I have a strong gut instinct that this 450 chassis is half as strong as the earlier 411 just by looking at it.
