Why Genshin Failed Where Wuthering Succeeded. 

i remember my friend said, "the truly end game content is when gacha game fans attack each other, in other mean "we" are the endgame" XD

Honestly it's not as much of "Genshin could never" as it is "Genshin WOULD never"

In Genshin, Albedo’s only main weapon is locked behind an event. If you missed the event, you’ll never get it. Same for weapons like festering desire and dodoco tales, 2 incredible weapons forever locked. I don’t know if WuWa will do this. I really hope that they don’t. But this was really bad on Hoyoverse’ part.

THEY LITTLERALLY HAD A DEPTH OF MOTHFKIN ILLUSIVE REALM ON THEIR OWN It's the freaking childe dungeon event bruh They just chose to delete it and give us this so called endgame mode. Engame for who exactly??? A 5 years old with their dad's credit card or something???

I remember Jello Impact making a video on similar topic "What is the endgame of Genshin Impact?". He shortly reviewed the activities beyond the main story and side quests: exploration, gear farming, Spiral Abyss, Teapot, TCG cardgame, etc. His conclusion was basically just this - waifu gaming is the true and only endgame of Genshin Impact. Everything that is implemented in the game has the sole purpose to give incentive to pull more and more characters to collect.

Came for the Yinlins jiggles, stayed for the ACTUAL gameplay

Hoyo knows what players want; they have the data from surveys or mini-games, but they just don't want to give it. Instead, they implement it in their other games. That way, they get more money from players since they have to spend on more than one game, which is why I'll never play their games besides Genshin. I'm so glad WuWa was released.

I literally feel like "Please be hurry, i want to complete this mode as fast as possible" when playing Imaginarium Theatre. But when i play Hologram or Illusive Realm, the pressure to be avoid all the enemies attack is serious. When i finish the Illusive Realme last difficulty or Hologram VI (especially the Mephis one), i feel so satisfied.

I lost faith in genshin when they fcuked up Dehya, I had been saving for her for more than 4-5 months and they did her so dirty and didn't even care about it afterwards.

roses are red the game can be better but we all know GENSHIN COULD NEVER

Honestly the more you play Wuwa the more Genshin becomes a relic 😅 Edit: I started a war 💀. I don’t hate the game, just hate how slow it feels like after coming back from Wuwa

Honestly most of these things can be explain by saying Genshin at its core is outdated. I dont even think if they did what Kuro is doing it would feel nearly as good. Genshin combat just cant do what WuWa does. A boss rush would suck since most of the bosses arent actually that good and just damage sponges. The battle fields are flat circles cuz any obstacles will make the characters freak out. The movement, fight pacing, quallity of life (like switching characters instantly and in the air) is just leauges behind that fights and gameplay that isnt casually feel like garbage.

realistically speaking, i think the only fault wuthering waves did is that they introduced gold echoes early. there's no midgame in wuthering waves. i distinctly remember sticking to purple artifacts in genshin (just caring about atk main stat, ignoring substats) for like a month or two before reaching the point of farming gold artifacts.

P2w in genshin is just paying to complete a finite game quicker. PirateSoftware said it himself. It's stupid

Funny thing is that simulated universe in Star Rail and Hollow Zero in Zenless is so much more fun than Imaginarium Theater. Genshin is really becoming the middle child.

Honestly gi is extremely out dated.

Me playing illusive realm : What a final boss room already i still don’t have a lot of buff yet Me playing genshin new end game content : When will i finish this mode See the different

What do you think "Casuals Players" looks like? (Which is the main demographics of Genshin Impact players) I have 4 friends who at one time or another play genshin, 3 still play actively. One of my friends started the game when it first came out. Her account is still locked at the last ascension quest. She refuses to do it because if she does it, the game will get harder, and she doesn't like the idea of the challenge. Another of my friends only likes DPS characters. As in, her teams consist entirely of onfield DPS characters. If you ever coop with her, be prepared to play healers and supports. My third friend eventually quit playing because she couldn't figure out how to fight and defeat Dvalin. My fourth friend only likes pyro characters. He is the most "competent" but it's a struggle to get him to even consider non-pyro characters. He only pulled for Nahida because I told him that Thoma is to Burgeon as Kuki is to Hyperbloom and he got onboard. Hoyo builds challenges for people like my friends, because they make up a larger percentage of the player base than people like me. This is purely anecdotal, but more genshin players are like my friends than like me. Hoyo has to sculpt the content for those people.

It's like GI devs never looked at what good things Hi3rd had: Skip button Better endgame Better rougelike More rewards. Oh well what a waste of potential

HoYo had their Elysian Realm from HI3rd, and then chose not to copy that into Genshin. Everyone else copying their game yet they chose not to copy their own.

I just had idea, they can turn Mare Jivari of Natlan to be a new spiral abyss island but with new system and hellish level enemies like 100-110

I think holograms will be fine, have you seen the Tectone stream where Kuro provided an account with fully leveled characters and using the standard 5star weapons? The participants got steamrolled and couldn't even beat or even half Tempest Mephis hologram, just showed me that even if your level is higher you'd dstill get punished if you half ass challenge them.

Genshin could simply fix this by replacing the "requirements" With "recommended" Elements and not fucking gatekeeping it only to certain characters. Their sister game did this and guess what I can bring my BigBootyholl and Gojo-wannabe to the challenge where it's not even recomended to use their element, but I'm still kicking ass because they're the characters that I'm invested in, and I'm doing that simply because they're just fun to use. What's the point of playing a damn game if you're not having fun?

My problem with Genshin is something that'll never be fixed, tieing certain mechanic to certain characters, e.g, why isn't parry a universal mechanic? Why does only one character able to do it? Why is swapping mid air locked to one character?

well at least hoyoverse tried.. did they though?

GI biggest problem imo is that it just wasnt fun to explore the big map, while WW has a pretty expansive base moveset

Its kinda crazy how kuro have all three kind of endgame skill check (hologram), damage and account check (adversity ) , replayability (illusive realm)

My biggest “Huh” moment was finishing the theatre thingy in one day and asking “okay, what next?” And nothing? (And no way I’ll replay that for no reason, it felt annoying) And icing on the cake, I shrugged and went to see how many days until Abyss reset again… and I didn’t know they extended that 😀 What was the point of any of that????

If you one shot everything the game becomes boring very fast. Why do yo think Sekiro and Elden Ring are so popular

The funny thing is Honkai Impact 3rd (also made by mihoyo) was the first of these gacha games to introduce a rogue like mode, it's called Elysian Realm. Games like WuWa and Aether Gazer actually copied it from HI3rd. The only reason why genshin doesn't have this mode is due to hoyo's unwillingness!

Hear me out, the thumbnail could have had Verina for the extra comparison.

I really don’t understand why hoyo hasn’t even tried to alter at least one of the fundamental mechanics of the game. It doesn’t matter what endgame they add because after 4 years, players have seen every possible way to twist the fundamentals. The only way to revitalize the gameplay experience is to alter the gameplay in a meaningful way. Adding new reactions between elements, changing how already existing ones function, doing what wuwa does with giving characters unique skills, creating synergies between units that changes the gameplay for both of them. Now I have zero experience in game design so for all I know, these are all impractical and terrible ideas, but the fact that hoyo hasn’t even tried to test a crazy idea like this even once is what gets me. Sure it’s a risk to invest resources into an such a huge undertaking that could flop on release, but that’s why they can communicate with the community to see how players react to these crazy ideas before going all in. Overall, I don’t even know whether the problem is greed or pride, but if hoyo doesn’t start innovating on their system, the game will become even more irrelevant, especially with more innovative games like Star Rail and WuWa around to show players what they could have

I hate Imaginarium. I was really hoping it would save the game. Well it didn't. WuWa just dumpstered all over Genshin.

IT is a bust for players because it wasnt made for players. It has become too easy post 4.0 for people to buy a couple power units and win abyss every week- which means abyss has failed as a carrot to compel newer players to spend So they replaced half of abyss lockouts with a horizontal investment tool. It would be really smart if they werent so lazy in its implementation that its obvious to everyone and nobody likes it. Illusory realm on the other hand by its design seems to exist for no other reason than to give players something enjoyable and engaging to do, while helping us master lesser played characters and letting them showcase new ones.

They've had Labyrinth Warriors and the reception for it was great, but they simply refuse to do it again.

I think What hoyo should have done was to add harder winning conditions for each stage instead of restrictions. Since the individual player power scaling is all over the place. Elevating difficulty add a additional condition starting with a base 1 condition on the easiest setting choosen. My Idea ... There is no time limit, (unless its a condition) and a set number of waves and enemies on repeat till conditions are met. On each repeated rotation the mods gets increasingly higher damage mitigation and attack. Putting pressure on the player.

Players now need 18 built characters (of the required elements) to clear. A blatant cash grab that triggers fomo in new players. Typical genshin tactic.

Genshin doesnt have end-game intentionally. Current state of the game (which is exactly the same as it was on release) perfectly serves its purpose. It is a donation sifting scheme, that only cares about player influx being higher than outflux. Mihoyo wants GI players to get bored and move into their other "products" (which, suddenly, have end-game) for a second round of donation sifting. Those players will come back to try new GI big patches regardless, and its better if they dont have any f2p savings. Mihoyo never cared about making games and who plays them, they only care about money. So i would recommend to avoid any game from Hoyo, as they treat their audience as dumb cashmonkeys.

I have always been like resistant on trying new games bcus genshin took so much of my freetime, plus I was a very biased genshin fan. But I heard people keep saying star rail is better so I tried just because thats what people said. And now after starting star rail, I just realized how bad genshin actually is

The thing is the World Elite Mobs can be beaten even if the team your using is 50 levels below it. I fought a lvl 120 Lightcrusher with 2 people on co-op and both of them have level 60 characters with me only 10 levels higher than them. You can beat them as long as you're good no p2w required

POV: u just realised u clicked on the wrong video and stayed to the end..

was on the fence wheter i should go back to play the new endgame... 've been playing since day 1 and hiatus around early Arlekino[?] patch due to boredom buildup and also in need of storage.. now that i've seen so many reviews about this new endgame, ill just stay away from this game entirely except listening to their OSTs...

I tried it, not even 1 minute in, I quit. WuWa's illusive realm is way much better experience

Welp, they can continue to fail upwards 😅

Off topic In my honest opinion, i think those secret world bosses (level 100-120) should give like a small reward, like 10-20 astrites per boss (capped at maybe 3-5 bosses per week). Something for players to challenge themselves and also a little reward, also a great way to test yourself without having to go to hologram bosses. That's just me though.

I downloaded GI Last night but when I played I felt too slow the game which i enjoyed last year feel so bad because of wuwa and then you add parasyt ost with explaining GI faults making my mind depressed

Genshin had 4 years to cook and wuwa, hsr, and ZZZ have already outclassed genshin and these games only recently released

EMPTINESS That’s the word used for the abyss and I got a lot shiet for it And I’m f2p and I still steamroll the abyss

I like wuwa cause its so much more combat based than just hitting big numbers

The answer is MVP (minimum viable product).

The great thing is both of these angry end game modes have lore tie ins. It took genshin four years to build the Lore for the end game mode but still haven't had any Lore into their existing endgame mode. And kuro made an endgame and then built lore into it.

i realy like illusive realm because i can saw a new moveset from the character that i use. for example yinlin with more aoe hit in basic atk, jinhsi basic atk is modified to the dragon spinning at first hit, and sanhua can spam heavy attack after icy thing. i realy want genshin do the same thing, like hutao who can dash back and forth, or basic atk ganyu is modified to charge atk only, etc. they already have the "simulated universe" sistem in inazuma event but then why not bringing into a permanent mode instead imaginarium theater?

Genshin had endgame events with bosses using extra and unseen attack patterns that made it way more challenging. They also where co-op from 2 to 4 players, and ofc doable solo if you don't enjoy multiplayer... You could select difficulty from easy to super hard, and in addition you could select massive de-buffs to your characters to make it even harder. Bonus, you could disable timer all together and use lvl1 character if it pleased you. Those events where: Hypostatic Symphony 2021/01/16, Energy Amplifier 2021/04/30, Legend of the Vagabond Sword 2021/06/25 Now imagine if they re-used those events, took the bosses and put them in a explorable dungeon like in WuWa's Depths of Illusive Realm, with small battles beforehand where you could pick buffs that actually matter. Let you play any of your character and let you play co-op with friends... But no, instead we get freaking restrictive circle fights, with the same boring enemies, with no repeatability. Genshin could never.

Funny thing is Mihoyo already made an Illusive realm before, twice. In the Early months of Honkai Impact 3rd, they had an endless dungeon with endless buffs called matrix mode but nobody engaged with it because it gave poor rewards, they later removed it, 4 years later we got Elysian realm, an actual endgame mode with gem rewards which works basically like the video game Hades/illusive realm, contains unique effects and moves per character, and has 4-5 patches worth of "Main Quest" content and lore packed into it. So it's not like they're unable to make good content, they just don't for some reason.

I have this head canon that the team in charge of Genshin these days are the devs and interns sent to work on it as some form of punishment and they just take their frustrations out on the players 😂 It is so frustrating how Genshin refuses to evolve. You know what players want for better endgame, yet the best you can do after all these years is a worse version of an event from 4.4 as the new monthly content

I'm unsure if you guys have seen it yet but there's several new leaks of a new roguelike map for 1.2, depth of illusive realm may get new map updates, or this may be a new gamemode in its own :)

Thank you for this video 🙏🙏 I really really love searching up video essays about Wuthering Waves so I clicked on this as fast as I could. I've had a Genshin account since the first year but have been unable to play due to the high demands it wanted from my PC, and when I was finally able to get into it 4 years later, there was just so much stuff to work through and it didn't feel rewarding in the slightest.

hoyo devs killed GI. kuro just knows their playerbase and implements qol faster and better

Very thoughtful analysis. I agree with you 100%. IT was a let-down. I don't care to sweat hard enough to beat the Abyss with 36* (I can clear just fine) and I'm not going to whale to trviliaze either IT or the Abyss. But in WuWa I was just running the trial characters in the Dream Realm and having a great time. Clearing and not clearing were good. I don't love holograms or elite enemies but I love that it's in the game for someone who wants to do it.

I just would like to point out by simply running around and exploring , opening chests etc. i managed to farm 50 pulls for next character in wuthering waves

even honkai impact has the roguelike dungeon known as elysian realm. it even has its own lore to boot

Clown company om If the infamous "excessive anxiety" interview from years ago wasn't a big enough nail in the coffin for any hope of good end game in genshin, this bootleg ass game mode sure as hell is.

Maybe the Real Endgame was the Friends we made along the way

Honestly I just love wuwa gameplay a lot more than genshin (I love both stories equally probably) since it just feels more alive with dodging and illusive realm and all the different things you can do. For context I have Zhongli in Genshin and never take damage anymore :/ I miss the days I was a new player and all the challenges I had. Now it’s just too easy. Wuwa is just feels more alive and challenge filled

Was really disappointed with Imaginarium. And not because it's easy and shit. I've already moved on with the fact that Genshin will never be challenging in any way and is just a pretty kids game to kill time and relax. But just the only actual new thing Imaginarium brings, which are poses (that aren't even fucking animated but nvm) resets only once a season... Like... Fucking why? So that I could purchase all the poses for characters that I have fucking zero interest in? Or for the characters that I don't even own? And the poses we get in Imaginarium per season are NOT EVEN FOR THE CHARACTERS THAT GET THE BOOST. The list is fucking random. And if you are not interested in poses, you just have to wait another fucking season. Wow, hoyo. Feeling generous this week? Why not once a year? Or once a two years, to keep up the tradition? I like GI. I really love the game. But Hoyo is just straight up treating GI players like swines. Next step for GI community will be Hoyo taking a shit into each players mouth and telling them it's a chocolate bar, and the only thing GI community will be upset about is that Hoyo didn't specify if it's milk chocolate or dark chocolate.

Am i the only person who loved theatre

Don't forget Hoyo made Abyss give less primos every month after introducing IT. New endgame modes in HSR mean more jades, but apparently in Genshin we couldn't have it.

Wuwa is the best gacha of moment. Lov it

One thing I appreciated as a F2P player is that WuWa doesn't make their 4* char being useless, Danjin and Chixia are extremely good at their own situation if you give them a correct build. The shocking thing is that the MC in WuWa is actually busted due to their Ultimately being an absolute NUKE itself, you can one shot most of the bosses with their ULT if you're lucky with the crit chance. I love these characters in WuWa specifically the 4*, they don't felt left out, and they can be compared to other 5* char with the same build ratio.

5 secong into the vdeo and OMG, city ruins theme from Nier Automata!! Good Choice my dude

roguelike is also a way to test potential feature like there couldve been so many new mechanics that made it out of genshin’s events and implemented into the gameplay with just a bit of rebalancing enabling different ways to build characters making them more unique in how each player uses them too because as it currently stand genshin’s characters just do so little when outa their entire kit only a small portion of it is worth using so regardless of team comps youre using the exact same ability per character and any experimentation and exploration on gameplay variance with them is locked behind available characters too like imagine if you can facilitate a plunging atk playstyle on catalyst users or charge atk on claymore users that actually does dmg because some of the buffs from events really provides a new perspective on “solved” character actually experienced the whole event exclusive mechanic making it into gameplay thing in another game, plays an mmo called DFO/DNF and in a prior lvl cap there was a big roguelike event that everyone loved where some of the buffs was to increase certain skill’s sizes, dmg and lowered cd, get enough of it and you can become a really fun 1 trick pony and when the next lvl cap arrived the new gear available can be customized to achieve similar results to what you can stack from the event with even the devs admitted the prior event was testing grounds for these sort of gameplay features both seeing what an acceptable limit was and if such a thing can fit into the game without compromising balance between the classes

The thing is, I’m not even a meta player yet I enjoy the Illusive Realm. It’s really well made AND indeed allows me to try not only characters I don’t have, but also those I have and can play differently. It’s superb. Kudos to Kuro!

Throughout the genshin patches(been playing since 1.1) i always thought the various game modes and mechanics in events that happened are testing grounds and will later implement it/make it permanent based on its reception. I feel not one thing have been implemented. Im not 100% sure though so if theres a mechanic/game mode from an event that have been implemented in patch 4.5 onwards please feel free to reply here.

MHY's problem is that they don't listen to their players' feedback, more specifically the global.

I think the design goal is the main factor. WW made the rogue mode to just make a event to let us have fun with new skills and buffs, which pay more attention to modify and enhance experience with specific character. While Genshin's new mode is just designed to increase the gacha and box requirement, it's not a fun to us, but a limitation.

Whoever said wuwa endgame is Eazy pizzy, never tried the hologram diff 5 and 6 unless they are dark soul players

The fact that even if u get the most op characters like jiyan and jinshi you literally still have to dodge and time their skills where the boss can't one shot you

Unpopular opinion, but i actually like the concept of this game mode because the player can build more diverse team with some limitations, so you can't spam the most optimal team core every time. Also, i think this is supposedly an endgame mode, which means the player who can excel in this game mode already have many characters built and have enough genshin knowledge to build a team under certain limitations.

I have 17 and cant participate genshit new hard mode, until I realize traveler can be wind element.... and I use wuwa switching and dodge tech to end this game mode....

Idk man I have way more fun in Imaginarium Theatre since its environments and lobby are infectiously cute, and its actually a unique challenge that finally forces you to do smth different instead of a typical DPS check. Illusive Realm is okay, but its just a repetitive cycle of brainless fighting. Just watch, ppl are gonna get sick of it fast, just like Simulated Universe. Ppl only like it now because they just started it, but they'l soon see its just a chore

The theater is so a$$ I have levelled my main chars max that all stages are so easy but I cant max out the rewards because i need 18 of them. For a relatively new acc this is a bummer

genshin alr confirmed that they will not release any end game so imaginarium and abyss are not end game content theyre merely dps check and investment check

Imaginarium theater is the biggest piece of dog shit that beyond my imagination. It goes against its combat system, it limit players to pick characters they want, and it still has no difficulty. Extremely disgusting mode that the entire universe can ever come up with. Not even the alien who talks to Elon Musk on Mars expects this. GI was on the best position as a game could be in this century, yet they fucked it up soooo hard, unbelievable.

I was hoping imaginarium theater would be like simulated universe in hsr where we can have a weekly reset and keep us entertained while waiting for a new patch, but nooo... they gave us another 30 days reset "end-game"

Hoyoverse: +stab+🔪+stab+ Genshin: Stop...! You're hurting me!! 🤕 Hsr: I'm so full ☺ give me more pieces +hoyo continues stabbing genshin+

Hey man, a new viewer here. Enjoying your content. Keep rocking

Ok that was a well done video ❤ but the Parasyte OST hit me suddenly bro 😭🤙😢

Nice glazing and glorying a copy cat! good for u man! very nice and fresh genshin 2.0 truly breath taking experience

If i were describe GI in two words It'd be STIFF AF

Even MoC, Star Rail's equivalent of Spiral Abyss, offers more challenge for endgame players because it has zero cycling which offers a new level of challenge. Optimizing teams for zero cycling is completely different from simply getting all stars. It's a tangible goal which players can strive towards. Beating Spiral Abyss in x minutes feels like an arbitrary goal and is just less satisfying in comparison. Pure Fiction has a max score of 80000 (the required score for getting full rewards is 60000) which players can try to reach for a harder challenge. And it also has zero cycling for even harder challenge. Apocalyptic shadow doesn't have zero cycle, but at least beating score goals still feels more substantial than doing Abyss speedruns

i really like the combat mechanic of Wuthering Wave. it's very detailed until i'm planing to open Excel and write down everything in it. It's also my first Gacha game as well, but to be honest, i thought gacha game was gonna be like money grab p2w, but i totally changed my mind after trying it for a week because i still can see my character progression and get new character through event. however, as a pc gamer, the worst part of this game is there is no "account detail setting" which is weird that the game won't allow players to change email. once you lost your email = you're fucked. that's why i won't spend any dollar in this game.

Genshin could be better, but we all know that the devs behind Genshin are up to their asses. F ckin hell, it is so easy to make at least "okay" to play their game but they said, "nah".

Sadly, WuWa didn’t click with me, maybe because endgame is the least important aspect for me, as I don’t have time to be perpetually playing the same game.

I was so frustrated with Genshin's new game mode, in addition to having restrictions, it seemed like the teams had no synergy at all, if the player had nothing to complete the experience with, it was horrible.

You can tell hoyo is such a garbage toxic company just from the fact that we have been complaining about so many things for so long and all they give us is tiny QOL updates and a dogshit endgame mode. Never in my life would i have thought that a company could be even more toxic than its own community (and being more toxic than the genshin community is a real achievement), but here we are.

End game Login do dailies, use waveplates and dip. If there's no good story it's just not worth looking back at it in the future.

When we talk about spending $1000 on a game character as if that's normal !!! Whales and their BS idiotic mentality is part of what has ruined gaming for an entire generation !!!

that andoain music... from another game with a pretty robust endgame roguelike mode...... i see you

from patch 1.x, genshin dev already says, they will not add more endgame content, and I am not complaining (there are so many players that cannot finish Abyss until now). and then they add TCG and now IT, all I can say is thank you. it's not an endgame content if you can play it after just 1 month of playing the game. It's not for everyone, even if you have played the game since the release. if you didn't build your character, you cannot play it, of course. If that is the case, you cannot even be called an endgame player. endgame content is just like you're a global elite in CS2 or a radiant in Valorant, you cannot be a radiant in a month or even if you buy a radiant account or boosting, you will fall from that rank if you are not worthy. restriction? People say genshin is too easy and want it to be hard, and now complaining? just like Childe weekly boss is getting nerf. and now you can lower the difficulty of wind glider test, wth, is it that hard? why don't you test your strategy and in-game knowledge?

Ah i see wuwa white knight cc😂