Why Genshin Impact's Banner/Gacha System Is Ruining The Game 

Just the fact that the Pity System doesn't reset between Banners already makes it much better than many Gachas, as it ensures that your investment isn't wasted even if you don't get anything.

They could make a rerun banner that lasts for a day whenever a character's birthday comes. And maybe make it so some older characters get 100% rate up, which would make it worthwhile since you wouldn't lose 50/50 if you pulled for them.

What I would love is an anniversary banner (especially since Genshin's anniversary rewards are...well) that works like a limited banner for the anniversary patch, but lets you select the character you want amongst the older chars (say chars that are 2 years or older) once. That way they can keep milking fomo while still giving a sense of security for more patient players as they know they won't have to wait more than that for a char they really want

I would love banners with each region that get unlocked as you progress through the game. It's not like you can level the character until you get to the region.

Don’t forget about new player lockout. Imagine a new player pulling a character in 5.0. How long would it take them to be able to unlock all the stories and regions to fully ascend the character and talents.

Unless Hoyoverse makes a new standard banner, no characters that have been marketed and advertised as limited characters can be added to the standard banner, because Hoyoverse would risk someone suing them for false advertising.

They will need to adopt an approach like with Honkai (Impact) eventually - running older characters for a short window (3 days) throughout the current patch. Allow you to select from a limited pool and reset your rate up character/weapon.

Even triple banners wouldn't solve the issue, only postpone the inevitable. New characters will continue releasing and sooner than later they'll need quadruple banners and quintuple too. A real solution would be to make older units accessible in an easier way, it's not like the 10th rerun of any character will break record sales anyway.

Don't worry. Three Limited Banners per Phase in a patch is more likely to happen. Limited characters will always stay the same. People said 2 characters per patch was impossible before until the Eula & Albedo double banner happened.

I actually feel like that the current system MiHoYo is genius from a bussiness perspective. Think about it - the general public can only know about when a character will rerun 1 patch before that character gets rerun, and that's taking the leaks into account. Most people, really aren't that patient to wait a whole year for a character, so they will spend their saved up primos on other characters they may want and poof - suddenly a character they want gets announced but they have no primos - forcing them to spend money to get the character they wanted from the start. They test people's patience by not rerunning characters for over 7 patches, and let's be honest - hardly anyone's gonna wait that long, even for Kazuha.

They need a Standard banner 2 and standard banner 3. It just makes more sense.

I don't see Hoyoverse putting everyone on the standard banner at a low rate, but they could definitely start retiring some old units. And they could do what they did with lantern rite and make every banner phase 2 weeks instead of 3, meaning 6 banners per version instead of 4.

Tangentially related, I feel the starter 4-stars (Lisa, Amber and Keaya) should be allowed to have rate-up status in 5-star banners like in Star Rail, as a 4th slot so they don't take away from the other 3 rate-up 4-stars. They generally aren't the best units, BUT you only get 2 chances a year for a specific one using a currency you only get for rolling anyway AND they're so expensive with that currency that 99 times out of 100 it's not justifiable to spend them unless you're an Amber/Lisa/Keaya Main.

You can really feel how restless the Genshin community has become after the release of Star Rail.

What I would like: 1) to be able to buy ALL four star characters in Paimon’s shop cause it already seems impossible to catch a new four star and their constellations 2) Reruns based on NATION. If we have right now four nations then banners should have one character rerun per nation, in other case it’s harder to cover all the five stars they have But probably the 2nd point can be improved even better than I suggested 😅 still, 1st one is a basic need

I do think they should add something like a region exclusive banner since the current one is also limited by story as the characters we get are going to appear in the story/event meaning that once we leave that region it's far less likely we are going to see said characters unless that character goes to that region for one reason or another

I think they should add older characters into the shop where you can buy them/constellations where they can show up 2 times a year like the 4* characters in there right now the shop needs expanding and this gives you something to save for but also let’s mihoyo get people wishing as it’s the only way to get the currency to buy them

If there's one thing they nailed it was Pity's system. Not only is this a decent amount to get a 5 star if you save and play often, but the main thing is the fact that Pity doesn't reset between banners, which means that even if I don't get anything my investment won't go away to garbage as in many other Gachas (Cough Cough....Fate Go!)

They could go the love live route and run banners based on topic or theme. For example, “dendro rate up” or “Liyue rate up”, and create an epitomized path system where you’re guaranteed a unit of choice after x amount of pulls. They will probably make it worse odds than the usual 50/50 system, but it’s better than never running the character again. And this can rotate once every half patch or so, for example “Liyue rate up” can happen during lantern rite, or there’s a dendro focused patch so they run “dendro rate up”.

These changes are nice in theory, but mihoyo has no incentive to do any of these till they have a big competitor that is taking a large % of there player base. Money talks and thats what matters the most to gacha games they will keep milking the player base until it is clear they need to change something to increase profits.

I think it's worth noting that Hoyoverse, probably, cannot add featured characters to the Standard Banner due to the fact that every banner (excluding Tighnari and Dehya) has the line "Of the above characters, the event-exclusive character will not be available in the standard wish 'Wanderlust Invocation'". They might have their own way of manuevering around this line but in all likelihood getting characters on the standard banner might be more difficult/slower than we want it to be.

Here's a suggestion, they could like introduce a separate special banner that only last for 2 weeks that features a single 5* character alongside their signature weapon. Standard characters can also be featured in these banner, and characters who are rather old and already got many reruns are more likely to be featured in this special banner. And newer units that still didn't get their rerun can't be featured in this banner until they got their rerun. Also, it would be funny, if this hypothetical banner uses acquiant fate instead.

I wonder if Hoyo would ever do a special event where there would be lots of banners available. Say an anniversary or a player milestone and for a limited time there were 5 or even more banners available to pull on. It could also be benneficial for Hoyo because people are less likely to have primos saved up for multiple banners so it would encourage people to spend money.

Honestly for the first proposition, yes and no. A lot of people would be mad as hell to see that someone could have a characters they whaled on (because they were promoted as « limited ») for completely free on standard or losing 50/50. A system like that would work only if it was advertised like that from the start. Not gonna lie I wouldn’t know what to do to have a better gacha system besides one thing : having a guaranteed 4 stars that you wanted after x amount of pulls. But we might get some players mad for that too ehhhh

I've said this on a comment in a previous video: Regional Banners You have 1 banner per region, then you put every character of said regios (both 4 and 5 start) and you make a system just like the one in the weapon banner, choose 1 character for the hard pity and then you start pulling. Eventually you are going to get a 5 star, and you will get either the 5 star you choose OR a 5 star from THAT region. So if you want shogun you are gonna pull in the "Inazuma Banner", and if you loose the 50/50, you at least know that you can get Kazuha, Yoimiya or Itto, etc , is not the best but at least you KINDA control what you are going to get as to not "loose" you resources and get maybe a Qiqi or any character you don´t actually need (no offense to Qiqi mains, just an example)

Okay, let's take a look at it this way. You said that the characters are introduced differently compared to other gachas bc they are part of the world and you interact with them multiple times in the story/events/etc. The solution of putting everyone after a certain time into the standard banner sounds great on paper (I personally would also enjoy this feature), but it's only this great for people that already have a lot of these characters. Why? Well, as you said someone might really like Ganyu for example and wanted her on their team. Currently they would need to wait 0,5-1 year to be able to pull for her (which is bad) but if she moves onto the standard banner... damn, having to win that 1 in 50 chance to get the character that you want? I agree that moving more (good) characters to the standard banner and therefore to the "you lost the 50/50" pool is the best option, but as you said, people treat Genshin chars differently compared to other gachas bc they have this "deeper connection".

Wouldn't adding 5* characters to the standard banner cause legal issues though? Because the banners specifically state that the character will NOT be appearing on the Wanderlust Invocation banner. Therefore they couldn't add characters to the standard banner without getting in major trouble. Adding a new banner could potentially solve the issue, but I'm not too sure that would actually work. So yeah, adding characters- 5* characters specifically- to the current standard banner would not be legal to my knowledge.

First, they need to add more characters to the standard banner. Second, the standard banner should also have seasonal rate ups. The reason no one spends primos on the standard banner is because of the randomness of it.

i think the best option to counter an oversturated standard banner would be allowing players to make a custom standard banner like the limited characters banners. this way not only players can chase after specific 5*, but can also work towards missing 4*.

I've been waiting for Baizhu's release for literal years, I wanted him ever since he first turned up in the story in Liyue but because I didn't have time to farm wishes for his initial release, I ended up missing him. But at this point I have no hope that he's gonna be reran any time soon so it has honestly gotten to the point at which I don't even want to try because I don't want to farm for a date that could realistically be over a year away

100% agree with the battlepass/event idea. Every patch you get an item towards a 5 star. Another one could be like with the Starglitter exchange. Add 5 star character and weapons to it and have the cost say 100 which equal 20 fates that everyone buys but people save up for their 5 star of choice or if you wish on them the minimum would be (working out and you dont have them maxed out constellation 1 4 star every 10 pulls and a 5 star at 80) will mean 300 wishes. Or 160 wishes if you have the 4 stars maxed out constellation. That is still a hell of a lot

The thing that annoys me most is that standard banner weapons are basically gone unless your name is Xiao or Venti.

I just think the standard banner pool should rotate the 5* based on nation every banner cycle. So each patch you have the chance of losing the 50/50 to get a 5* of that nation that is on cycle. Yeah it may mean the character you're pulling for isn't in alignment with the a nation you necessarily want. But it would add much more variance.

One thing that also bugs me is the weapon banners, mainly, there’s some weapons that people just can’t get anymore due to how it’s set up with it being the character’s signature weapons only. So, we haven’t seen weapons like Jade Cutter, Hunter’s Path, etc in a long time due to this. So, will they also have multiple weapon banners running if they do more than 2 characters in a patch?

A bigger reason as to why they can't add them to standard banner is because of licensing issues. Under the limited time banners except for Dehya and Tighnari it explicitly states that they cannot be obtained on the Wanderlust Invocation (Standard Banner). So Mihoyo would have to make a second standard banner and then they could actually move 5 stars to that banner. Once again running 5 banners would be really confusing for new players, however it's better than Eula not having a rerun in 5 years.

Making all character banners available at all times is the best decision that Mihoyo will never do. It eliminates the FOMO and objectively improves the player experience, but it will also actively hurt the revenue stream, but a reasonable person with common sense would notice just how much money that Genshin is making Mihoyo and conclude that this change would not affect anyone negatively, which makes it the overall best course of action.

I stand by there being a banner for each region.

Possible solutions just based on keeping the marketing team happy, a standard banner based on regions or make that the 50/50 also has a rotation.

I just started in April and I already see that problem. Similar to you, one of my thoughts was just put 3 banners. 2) Retire characters that aren't really popular anyway and not used much, like Klee. 3) Or throw like 3 random 5* on the standart banner that rotate every patch or every two patches - even without letting people know who is in pool additional to the standart roster would be better than what we have (excluding archons).

I believe adding a system like the one Pgr has would be very beneficial to the game in the long run

A recent gacha that came with a pretty clever solution to this conundrum is Limbus Company. Where updates are divided in story-centric Seasons. So characters (IDs) that are specific to that season are only on the pool until that season ends. Then they go away and will only show up as sparkable 2 seasons later. But yeah, I think that Hoyo for whatever reason won’t ever mess with the main systems of Genshin. Even Starail, that seems to be what Hoyo learned through the Genshin surveys, still barely has improvements on the Gacha system and might reach as similar spot in a few years…

Honestly, the idea of having old characters in standard banner isn't bad but the chances of getting them will slowly get smaller over time. Therefore I think making certain characters have higher chances to appear depend on months or weeks. Like Liyue characters will be more likely to appear in January or something. Then other months for other regions.

As someone who was waiting for a whole year to get Kazuha and Klee? I feel this. As a gacha player: I'm flabbergasted with the banner system. I love the pity that goes on through many banners, that is quite generous and I didn't play other gacha until genshin that was so nice about it, but the pace is terrible. I think even just introducing triple banners (6 characters per patch) would be better than what we have now. Less primos to go around one patch but your faves come back faster to try next time! And yeah in most other gachas u can just stumble upon a limited character/card, if not in standard, then in the limited banner on your way to pity/guarantee other new units, and let's say only in that specific banner that is active once a month and chance for a specific character is super low.... But it's there. Also I still haven't pulled Mona so I'll gladly see her in my wishes but point taken 🤣 Edit. Also I think retiring older characters like Klee or Albedo to standard would be a terrible idea (without some new pity system for that) because that way players like me who were waiting forever to get them, would lose their ability to ever guarantee them and that would be just too heartbreaking. I know people who play this game for 3 years and haven't pulled their favourite character still like Diluc or Mona or whatever. +I think older 4* should be added to the paimon shop like come on, in my year of playing I haven't gotten a single Fishl or Xingqiu YES NOT A SINGLE ONE like 4* are getting rarer than 5* what kind of gacha is this help (I know these particular 2 are in the shop but I mean like Diona, sucrose etc)

In a truly ideal world, we can mix generosity with whale desires for constellation hunts. I think perhaps Genshin should have multiple standard banners with old 5 stars and move them in batches to new standard banners, then on limited banners allow users to have a weapon-banner-type pity on which pool of 5 stars they pull from AND incorporate a weapon-banner-type pity path on each standard banner to a specific 5 star. It would be a nice world where one gets closer to pulling Eula through rolling limited banners, every new limited 5 star getting closer to a specific older 5 star. Whales get lots of benefits too by passively racking up multiple character's constellations they want all year.

They could also do what HI3 did with a lot of older characters: Put them in the "shop" where you can use some kind of in game obtainable currency to get them. The type of currency depends on the age of the character, or even the rank of the character. There are LOADS of support characters (characters that genshin players would call 4* characters) in what is essentially a F2P shop, where you can easily farm for the mats, and you can farm other mats that you can sell for those mats. But there are also older characters that you can get with harder to obtain, yet still obtainable, in game mats. these are usually stronger, but older characters. With enough time, and more hardcore farming, you can obtain the fragments for those characters as well. And then there are some slightly newer characters that are in a shop, but you get those mats by "wishing" on banners, as well as converting fragments from other characters that youve maxed out on. But its still a way to buy older characters, without having to rely on the banner rotations.

Maybe a good fix that won't make Hoyo lose money but will make it less painful for players to get old units is divide the standard banner into regional banners when we have a lot of characters? There will be 1 standard banner for Mond only characters and weapons, Liyue only etc. And these regional banners can share pity with each other like how the limited time banners do. The characters that could be exempted for these regional banners are all the Archons because they are supposed to be special, new characters released within the current x.0-x.8 patch cycle, and maybe just a couple old 5 stars that are really popular like Hu Tao or Kazuha. This way, the more popular 5 stars can rerun faster AND the less popular 5 stars can be obtained without taking limited banner slots away from the popular characters.

In my opinion, the gacha system "won't fail" if they add a new kind of banner where characters (and weapons) that were released in early versions would be featured like you explained. The heresay though so far is the plan to change double banners to triple banners, it's been talked about since the early 3.0 versions. But the problem with that is how that would affect the corresponding weapon banner. They can't put old limited characters to the standard banner because of legal reasons.

Back in 1.1 or 1.2 I remember seeing an article that the game was going to introduce an item called bonding fates where after 10 pulls, you would get a 4* bonding fate which allowed you to choose the 4* character of your choice from the current character banner. You could also get a 5* bonding fate at 50 wishes for the 5* character of your choice for the current banner which had the potential of completely skipping the 50/50 at 50 wishes or higher. I thought this would make a great addition and further increased my investment into the game. This of course turned out to be false but seeing this video reminded me of that. I feel that introducing bonding fates or something similar would be beneficial now more then back then because of the increasing number of characters but seeing how aside from the epitomized path on the weapon banner, the wish system is basically exactly the same it was when the game first released so I'm not expecting much. I'm hoping something does change because we are about half way through the game story wise with about half of the proposed playable cast and it already is becoming immensely fatiguing hearing new characters coming out that most casual players are never going to get.

May be add rule if you pull on the time limited banner, your pity timer dont reset if you get character from the standard banner, then add few low profitable characters into the standard banner and make more time limited in the same time. In my opinion is better for Mihoyo do sell more desired characters often, instead of re-run "outdated" ones _(outdated means they are powercreeped in c0 by other character)_ .

I love the ideas presented and i just wish hoyo would think about this sort of thing. The wishing system is long overdue for a major update of some kind, and i think the regional characters being made permanent as time goes on is a great idea that would honestly just allow for more flexibility for hoyo imo

There should be a Banner with Every Character on it.

I think for now they'll most likely take the 6 banner per patch route. But down the line, I can see them getting inspired by honkai and creating new banner formats or rotations

I just think it'd be better to have more waves with 2 banners per wave. Like, for now, three waves for a total of 5-6 characters, and the banners last 2 weeks instead of 3. This way, when we get to Natlan or even Snezhnaya (depending on how many new 5* we get) we could have 6 character banner waves of 1 week each (this would allow to have a total of 12 character banners per patch without making it feel way too overwhelming). That would be similar to what they're already doing in HI3

Honestly, I feel like shoving like, eight characters on to the standard banner will be way too many characters even if we add a pity system like Star rail. If they ever add old characters to the “standard banner” I feel like they’ll add a standard banner 2, but this time they won’t ruin your 50/50s. If I need too add like, 7 different characters from different elements in this new standard banner they would be; Klee, Pyro. Xiao, Anemo. Albedo, Geo. Childe, Hydro. Cyno, Electro Ganyu, Cryo Baizhu, Dendro Even though Cyno and Baizhu are 3.0 characters, but that’s what you get when there’s no limited Electro characters until 2.0 and no Dendro characters at all until 3.0

Very nice video! I think you might forgot to mention that Mihoyo is unable to add existing characters in the standard banner because they explicitly say that they won't in the limited banner details. You can check it in game, it textually says: "[...] the event exclusive character will not be available in the standard-wish" This is a way to enforce the FOMO of limited characters and telling the players that I they dont pull or expend money they might miss the character for a long time (and in Eula's case it's blatant). But it's also limiting Mihoyo of adding them in the standard banner in the future. Before you ask, i checked it in Dehya's banner and this statement wasn't there. Also, i want to make a bit of constructive feedback about some statements you make. In this video you say that a change might only require 5m of IT work messing with a JSON or something like that. We all know its not 5m, it might be, at least a few days just to get the thing properly tested and fuctional. We all agree that the point is not the 5m but that it's a very easy change to do. Just saying try to avoid feeding the possible trolls ;). Finally completely agree that something needs to be made with the gatcha system in the mid/long run!

Correct me if im wrong but i think they cant add limited characters to the standard is because laws wont allow it. I think its considered miss marketing, which means their hands might be tied on the matter My own simple wish here. I want them to go back to the 5 week banners. It made the game feel better imo, because there was little to no downtime between events. And banners came out faster

There is several ideas I have for a banner system. One is to have an elemental banner in the beginning of the first 2 banners that happens, these elemental banner can be chosen from the 7 elements and when picking one it will give you all the characters that are that elemental 5* and 4*, so this way you are pool the character you want in a relatively small or medium sized pool and getting duplicates of that character easier as well. Another way, is through getting story specific banner when completing a region, So Mondstadt would get Diluc, Fishcl, Klee, Eula, Jean, etc. Liyue gets, Zhongli , etc., and so on, meaning that characters gotten can be upgraded without needing a prerequisite regions player haven't even discovered, It would be cool in this banner, you can choose 2 or 3 characters to have a higher drop rate because you liked them in that story. I would imagine banners like these would stick around till you pulled a specific amount of times, or will be limited time. As a gacha gamer , I've seen a lot of games, mostly Epic Seven, give an event where you can pull 10 times for 10 pulls, and I believe having this event for just banners would be great as well. Lastly, it would be cool if you have enough star glitter or dust, you can get a shard of a 5 star character until x amount till you can get a character, because star glitter is only used for more wishes which doesn't completely guarantee the unit you want.

I think adding some 5 stars to the starglitter shop might be useful

I feel like a surprise banner that might run any time during the patch with a random character along side the other banner that only lasts a couple days would be cool

Honestly i like really like these ideas but another thing i feel could work is keeping the stand-alone banners but shortening their times each patch is usually a month and a half long so instead of having 4 banners lasting that entire time they can shorten the banner times to like 2 weeks in order to fit older character banners for shorter durations much like honkai and example of this can be in the most recent patch 3.6 wen baizhu came out shortening the time of nahida and nilou banner could have made space for another charscter rerun while still keeping baizhu and ganyu in the second half of 3.6

I have a idea for banners. Every 5 patches they run a limited regional banner, where all characters of one region gets a drop boost 😯 and they add a super hard pity on that like after pulling 2 characters 3rd will be of your choice. The pity doesn't reset too. This idea is inspired from MHA strongest hero anniversary banner! They just had their second anniversary the banner contains 6 5* units which you get randomly but it's pity stays (last year I only made it to 70 pity and this year it was the same I started from 70 pity and got the 5 star from that banner) So it's a twist between both games banner systems and I think that will be great 😃👍

for me, the main downsides of Genshin are around it's format, the gacha, how game time is somewhat artificially extended through artifacts and other randomised things. but that also allows hoyoverse to put a lot of effort into an amazing looking game, really nice to play and full of details and stories, so i'll take the bad sides as I can play my favourite game

One possible solution is very simple instead of a ticket system just add one 5* character randomly rotating through the list to straight up purchase a month like the 4*s. Just one, for the entire month, it’ll keep more characters fresh in rotation while keeping them still limited but not so impossible while also increasing the games flat revenue while delaying the over-saturation of the game to like you mentioned it would be good in a battle pass if they use a one special item system, in the end hopefully they make the changes needed to keep the game as fresh and interesting as long as possible.

The banner system does need an update, I agree. Adding older 5*s to the standard banner won't be it though. Due to the wording used on limited character banners they cannot legally move those characters to the standard banner. The exception being Tighnari and Dehya since the wording used on their initial banners clearly stated that they would be moved to the standard banner. CN's laws pertaining to gacha games is rather strict and other developers have had to pay serious fines for not adhering to their own gacha banner wording. They could however make a second permanent banner with a new name and move whomever they want to it. Personally I think the optimal choice would be a few changes. A choose a 5* system using (like you said) an event or BP reward. Perhaps you'd get one from the BP and one from the patch's flagship event with a requirement of 10 to choose your 5*. Make the pool every 5* from the previous patch cycle (so currently 1.x and 2.x characters). But only allow one copy of a specific character from this method per account (Say you choose Raiden, then you can't pick her again the next time you choose). That would still make reruns of many characters still have value. Next bump it up to 4 reruns per patch regardless of if there are new characters. Additionally add in a second weapon banner (that shares pity) whenever there is a new character with the second weapon on that banner being of the same type as the new character's signature weapon (example; New sword character come out, the weapon banner would be their signature weapon and another 5* sword). Another idea is they could make a "rerun banner" that is on a weekly rotation. Rotate through every character that has already had two regular reruns except the archons. Have two 5*s on the banner and you pick which one to go for (there is still a 50/50 of course). Once a character has had two regular reruns (21 days) they would then be added to the rerun banner.

I started playing Genshin the banner AFTER Kazuha’s rerun. 😭 It’s time to bring the boi home.

I think region-based standard banners would be the best way to implement bringing old characters back. This way you can spread a few five stars in each standard banner and associate it with other characters from the same region and have the either time locked, resin locked, or story progression locked. Even if these banners would be limited like the Noelle banner at the beginning, it would still allow newer players to "catch up" with veterans and give the standard wish items more value.

Another possibility is to add older 5-stars to standard and then do the *opposite* of the weapon banner's epitomized path. Which 5-star on standard would you be fine losing to on a rate-up? That way either roll could be a possible win, and it gives players a path to constellations which they might not get for standard characters for years if ever.

Tbh one gacha game I play that has a pretty good gacha banner system is Blue Archive. Almost all new characters just goes to the standard pull with the exception of the limited characters. It may decrease the chance of getting the character you want but they still have a chance of appearing as an off-banner pull.

What I've noticed as a new player is that the characters get less good the more time is going on, now this isn't a problem in other gacha because they redo the kits on the characters but Genshin doesn't so you're basically forced to play character you may not want unless you want to spend hours for a character who's not worth combat wise. We need rekits maybe doing different skins with kits or something.

i think adding rotations to standard may not be a bad idea for older characters, 2-3 weeks per rotation, maybe have each rotation be themed around a region, mondstadt, Liyue, inazuma (eventually sumeru but thats a little too recent for them to do a rotating standard banner for)

maybe add a yearly banner where you get to pick any unit in the game as the featured one ( and then the weapon too) and you get to pull for them :0

What they can do is, when a character is maxed their constellation, the duplicates that will be received will turn into a special currency. This currency can be converted to a selected 4star/5star character. Similar to Aether Gazer

It's an eventual change just not yet like dozens of Gacha. So the notion of it "will" fail is bit much.

Chronicled wish was a step in the right direction but the still heavy time gate with reruns continues to be a problem for new or returning players. 2 week banners for more reruns would probably be the best solution

the fortitious invitation thing during lantern rite is the only unit-of-choice event ive heard of and currently a thing, gladly got xingqiu from that. maybe a version of that for regional five stars could work, maybe during a regional festival/event (lantern rite, windblume, iridori, and uhh idk if a parade of providence counts here) though some might overlap as more regions release so maybe this might not work that well longterm 🤔plus it might end up just being closer to showering people with five stars later on💀 (maybe a regional banner with the chart course thingy could work instead idk)

The gacha system was exploitative from the get go, especially towards those with a gambling addiction. The true solution is not having a monetised gacha in the first place, but that's unlikely to happen any time soon sadly

Having a banner up for each region seems like such a win-win situation for both parties esp. players who want to go at their own pace and work with the materials more readily available to them, and yet, it never happens.

I think a great idea would be creating a region banner where all the characters from specific nations are featured but i dont know if HoYo wouldnt get sued for not doping this earlier from the beginning.

If Hoyo implements something like the Eleph system from BA to just outright buy enough coins to get the character or constellations for characters would be nice. I know that we have something like that, but it doesnt have any 5 stars from general banner and its quite expensive to even get another copy from the shop of a 4 stars who we dont even use. Its nice that pity carry over, but still hella expensive to even get any characters if youre f2p.

honestly, i am the kind of people who enjoy the rarity of a character, i like the feeling that the character i own is the one i worked really long to save my primos to earn it, allowing the characters to be gained easier just cheapens it for me, i already own 11 limited character being completely f2p, making it easier is just not helping me much

I kind of like what Star rail did. If you do X amount of pulls from the banners, you should be able to redeem a free 5* character of your choice.

A simple solution would just be to add 3 more banners, two of those banners will be for characters and the last banner will be the weapon banner featuring the those 2 additional rerun character weapons I think maybe Hoyo is waiting for more characters before adding additional banners but it’s really astounding that the current state is that some characters have not rerun for well over a year

Not sure about other gachas but Nikke has a wishlist system in the standard banner where you can pick I think 12 5 stars and whenever you pull a 5 star those 12 are either rate up or you only pull from them, something like thatd be nice they could even extend it to events where you if you lose the 50/50 you only pull from your wishlist

What Genshin gacha does is essentially these two points: 1) makes it possible to get the desired character or weapon, and 2) prompts people who want specific character to play longer waiting for their rerun. Both points are beneficial I believe.

The easy solution would be to make a character banner using the format of the weapon banner, where 2 units are featured at the same time in a "rerun banner" or something like that, although it would be hella unpopular due to the weapon banner being incredibly trollish

aCKKKKK, that brave frontier clip almost made me wept. Literally the first ever gacha I played and loved. it will be missed

i think the best outcome would be adding an additional banner per patch, maybe one per region so old chars don't get forgotten (independent of events). like, version x.1 will always have an extra character from mondstadt, x.2 will have someone from liyue, x.3 will have someone from inazuma, x.4 someone from sumeru and so goes on; adding a new one every update like putting up an extra banner at x.6 when natlan comes out, x.8 versions being reruns of previous regions.

This is why I do not believe in "just pull for them on their rerun." If I really like a character, regardless of what people say or the circumstances, I will find a way to achieve them when they're still fresh. This is definitely what happened to me with Eula. She was my most anticipated unit back then and I'm happy I have her but I feel bad for those who also genuinely wants them. So basically, if you really want them, go for them. If you're facing some specific circumstances (expecting someone else) but also still really want them, then make ways around it or come to a decision considering all the odds and also hope for the best.

I watched your older video about five needed changes and I agree they seriously need to do something about older limited characters who’s overshadowed like Eula, Klee and Albedo who honestly don’t feel exceptionally powerful without much involvement like other non archons, a second standard is very needed at least for mondstadt who’s the rarest so far to rerun.

nah the custom limited banner that you mentioned is the best possible solution right now where they run as many characters as they want per patch and you choose which one you want to build pity towards and can change between them for that patch rotation. Punishing gray raven has this system if you ever played that.

As someone that started a few months ago this would be a god send if they update their gacha banners. I do “whale” for characters that I really like and as soon as I get them to what I like I stop pulling. But there’s a ton of characters that I want but they’re all time locked and I just didn’t play back in the day.

gacha is what it is... what's actually killing the game is mihoyo focusing on the wrong things (e.g. pot, tcg) rather than adding to what genshin is really meant to be, which is an open world ARPG

i think if hoyo wanted to make genshin a million times better and tackle their three biggest problems in one go (nonexistant 5 stars, meaningful progression and repeatable endgame content), they could introduce a new end game dungeon, which is a challenging survival type gamemode where you have to defeat waves of increasingly harder enemies, where once per patch they update the enemies like abyss and you get a reward which could either be a copy of one 4 star or like you said an item where getting 5 or so allows you to choose a 5 star. a 4 star character takes on average maybe 3k primos so one extra per patch is a fraction of the number most players can gain, and the 5 star thing is significantly slower than the rate you gain 5 stars even compared to f2p since it would take 200 days. suddenly we'd have much more reason to play for this fun new challenge mode that isnt a dps check, a way to guarantee progress towards our favourite characters with no significant revenue loss, and this would require literally 0 effort of any kind from hoyo they could even dump the current abyss enemies into this dungeon. the best part is this gamemode could have an endless wave that gets increasingly stupid (potentially with infinitely levelling enemies) after you get your last rewards which would finally give whales a reason to whale and f2p players a way to test their skills instead of their artifact/banner luck

Arknights is doing an interesting one (on CN so far, not global yet given we're half a year or so behind). All the really old units get put on a seperate banner (with seperate pull resources) which players will get access to as well (allowing people to get access to older units even while using/saving resources on new units). It also ends up to an extent encouraging spending (since the 'dupe currencies' on old units is now seperate, and thus you can't use it towards newer unit pulls), since any vet could basically save enough to spark whenever limitted banners came around, and have pulls to spare for a few banners in between. Almost all of the units that are being moved onto the seperate older banner are available via recruit anyway (so anyone with a decently old account will have most of the old units from spooks and recruiting) so it legitimately heavily increases the chances of newer units too.

Maybe you can boost the rate of a 5 star to featured status with pity after they get into the standard banner but you need a hard to get item to do it. By the time you're able to change it, you'd probably have them fully kitted. That way the standard banner could have literally everyone in it but you still can eventually get everyone. It could potential be more exciting than the featured. Imagine the character you focus on is Nahida and you pull like 5 ventis and a scaramouche for no reason, that'd be pretty funny

I think region based banners would be fun.

Honkai: Star Rail has the same system and it too will run into the same problem

That's actually a great idea. Epic 7 also does custom banners for regular and limited edition characters except collabs obviously I believe 2 times a year. I was also thinking based to the main version event, they could also have national banners with one or 2 older characters to pull of your choice. Also, Epic 7 recently added a story banner for characters of your choice that have their story quest where you can pull on for a week with a unique story collection currency to unlock their banners.

I feel like they should just lower the amount of days Limited Banners last from 20+ days to around 10 or 11 so we can have more Banners per version and with that more character reruns. This also takes into consideration that most players are going to be pulling on Limited Banners either during their first or last day. I don't think the Banners lasting 10 less days than usual will affect players who are free to play (free to play players would only have have 3~4 wishes less since 10 days of doing commissions gives 600 Primogems) or players who spend that much. Plus, I've played gacha games that have different Banners every 3 days and I honestly do feel that HoyoVerse's Limited Banners last too long. HoyoVerse would also probably profit from having more Banners in a single version.

I honestly agree with your opinion, they can easily add the older ones on the std. banner and keep a set of them together that way people will have a chance of getting these but not necessarily guaranteed. In the perspective of mihoyo's business, they could get people to spend primos for aquaint fates and incentivise spending money. Either way I see the addition of old characters to another type of std. banner a win-win. Great Vid man!