Why Guilty Gear Players STRONGLY DISLIKE Johnny 

3000 hours xrd johnny main here, I believe that Johnny is even stronger than people even think its just essentially no one can play him well enough to leverage his full strength apart from perhaps Omito. He has so much character specific combo optimisation, if you had all the combos that end in lv3 + hard knockdown he's almost unbeatable.

I just love Johnny's aesthetic too much. The idea of throwing coins to use a big damaging button just looks great to use. Though I must ask does his resource if used poorly lead to a hard time or is it a non factor? Any Johnny mains that could answer would be awesome.

Johnny was cool looking enough with Xrd visuals, i can't wait to see him in the strive visual style, especially the J super.

I think there's one more thing that makes Johnny unbeleivably unfun to fight: Many of his combos are naturally burst safe due to the range of his air normals and the angles that he juggles you at from the ground. This adds to the problem of Johnny feeling really non-interactive to fight. His pokes are amazing and plus on block. If he ever counter-hits you, he gets 60% unburstable damage on much of the cast (if he has lvl3). All of the things you mentioned in the video AND he gets a good reversal super AND coin YRC is like +90 on block AND he is heavy and therefore harder to combo. It's not just that he's strong, it's not just that he's the strongest in the game, it's that he's strong in ways that are impossible or extremely disadvantageous for you to interact with.

Inb4 people who never fought Xrd Johnny go “He’s still more fun to fight than Elphelt!” If I were to explain it, it’s that Johnny is the best and most scariest character at *forcing* you to act. His mix is just strike throw, but because of how mist finer and risc works, he’s constantly swinging with plus on block, high attack level moves that build your risc. So you have to act because of you don’t he’ll combo meterlessly off throw and kill you, but if you do that still opens you up to damage. Another small point I wanna add is that coin is super strong cuz it’s a limited resource, but it doesn’t feel limited enough to the point where any competent Johnny will end most matches with like 3-4 coins to spare

Johnny's finna be the next character; we're talking about him too much, he'll be accidentally conjured through humanity's collective subconscious.

I’m gonna keep coming back to this video to see how different Johnny plays when he’s released in Strive.

Damn, I never played Xrd and didn't know he was this different from XX Johnny.

I was just thinking about xrd Johnny today and rewatched your “are these Johnny highlights sick” video my simulation is broken

I honestly thought happy chaos was gonna be like johnny in terms of how you would use coins/bullets to combo kinda sad how thats not the case

In a lot of ways he's similar to Nago. Corner pressure involves getting pressured by big buttons, threatened by throw or risc crank (minus the YRC 50/50s lol). Crazy combos/conversion-ability. Fast movement options are tied to attacks/specials. Big buttons and controlling that forward/upper space with Nago 2H/P mist finer. I'm very curious how Arcsys re-makes Johnny for Strive.

I played some accent core and tried out Johnny and he’s very fun, giant ass sword normals, cool ass walk and supers, mist finer stance(especially teleport) being a drug as well as its lv 3 giving it so many slashes, the fact I get to throw money at people, and bacchus sign being ignorant

Didn't realize he had a tech like this. Squiggly in skullgirls can do something very similar with charge cancelling though I feel hers is scarier as she can just go for high, low, grab out of no where and convert of any of them and all the opponent can do is hope they guess right or super out.

I'm just gonna copy paste my comment from the last johnny video because it's more relevant to this one. Johnny reminds me of a concept from MtG. In Magic there's what's referred to as "fair" or "unfair" decks. Fair decks play the game basically as intended, they use creatures and spells to eventually reduce your life to zero. Unfair decks have some alternative gameplan to win, either an infinite combo, or discarding a huge creature to reanimate for cheap, or making their opponent completely unable to play . But, at least in this usage, "fairness" has nothing to do with powerlevel. You can have terrible unfair decks and completely broken fair decks. Johnny has always struck me as an Overpowered Fair Character, if that makes any sense. For an Arcsys top tier, he's actually really... standard. He's got massive hitboxes, fantastic frame data and enormous and stable damage, but the only really wacky thing he does is the unblockable, which at least for classic Arcsys is on the lower end of crazy shit. He doesn't put invisible traps on the screen or ignore blockstun or autoblock everything or ToD you at round start. He's not even really that good at mix compared to most of the rest of the cast, you'll never get reset 3 times into death or forced to block multiple unseeable high/low/left/rights or anything. He just wins neutral by default, does unchallengeable pressure and then kills you when you eventually make a mistake. And he looks extremely cool while doing it. He's been on top long enough that a nerf is definitely deserved, but of all the characters in Xrd Johnny is one of the ones that I would mind being the best the least. In the alternate universe where Ram and Johnny switched positions the game is much worse off.

Johnny has Susano sword on command, except he can cancel it extremely fast, always has it unlocked, and leveling it up makes it more like the super version. Mist Finer is such a cracked special, even by high power anime fighter standards.

I’m a very simple person. I see an LK video gets uploaded, so I smile and click on it

johnny's a funny one. Honestly I dont think this video covers it, because he actually has almost the exact same characteristics you pointed out in +R as he does in Xrd. He is inferior across the board in +R, but he has everything you've mentioning in this video there. Imo his main buffs in Xrd are #1. new school 2h makes him way harder to low profile and #2. His conversions are way more consistent and rewarding, against more characters. shit like sweep into coin always hits, and he can get coin into hard knockdown off throw in anywhere on the screen vs any character. In +R he was generally worse at this. He has way more buffs than just those. Again, he is buffed to the extreme and across the board, but those are the main buffs. The thing is, I would mostly attribute his being #1 in the game to the sum of the numerous buffs he's had across the board, because he had so many. Overall I think nerfing johnny ought to be an easy task, because nerfing almost anything about him is relevant.

Johnny was the first GG character I played all the way back in accent core + R, I hope he makes it in

As far as I can see it, he's pretty strong and frustrating to fight but also hard to play and looks cool.

He’s such a cool character though. I never got to really use him due to my best bud playing with him, but never fully utilizing him lol.

imagine me, 40 hours beginner who met one day three fucking Johnny mainers. All I could do is just watching them making infinite combos 😭😭😭.

Johnny's gameplay is definitely a one-shot character just like Nagoriyuki if he's announced as one of the Season 2 DLC character. If he has the Levels 2-3 Mist Finer and can also cancel this move, imagine how long he can juggle and how much damage he can deal to destroy his opponent, especially on Counter-Hit.

I am in love with johnny i hope he gets into strive

This is the first time "Strongly Dislike" actually fits. Johnny was a menace but he was so stylish people let him get away with the BS.

I want Johnny to make it back. Since I've played strive since launch then went back to xrd 2 with my buddy and tried Johnny some. his kit felt very fun.

I think that they'll get rid of his unblockables, but his coins will probably give counter hits for him. His mist finer will be toned down.

I want to add that Jhonny is among a few privileged characters that get a combo of a throw for no good reason, and Jhonny specifically is one of the even fewer ones that ALSO get a combo off it even midscreen

If ever Johnny will make it back in Strive, they'll definitely gonna lessen and maybe nerf his moveset. He's gonna have 5 coins instead of 8, his Mist Finer can only max into Level 2, and his Zweihander. Since there's a wallbreak in this game, his Mist Finer feint cancel juggle combos will also be minimize on how long can you juggle using his Jumping Dust Attack.

Current day rev Johnny is still considered the best by the way, that hasn't changed. Almost everyone else under him is negotiable but the current community still universally puts him as top 1, followed by elphelt but lots even make enough of a distinction between those two that johnny is often in his own tier.

well this is certainly interestingly timed

And his god damn throw... Cause after he jacks your guard bar, he'll throw you and do massive damage that isn't as heavily scaled due to the RISC being jacked

Bring back the fullscreen Level 3 Mist Finer and he'll be the top tier character in Guilty Gear again. As long as they keep his usual Xrd moveset, he'll be op as heck. Can he rival Nagoriyuki's power, tho?

Will you do zappa at some point or is he too far back

I’m so curious what lord knight means when he says you can’t find this character normally in neutral? As someone learning strive I’d love to know in case Johnny comes back but also for ram.

I wonder if his coins will be a guard crush...or maybe the unblockable setup will be. One can dream, right?

level 3 mist finer off the baka mitai got me cryin in the club

He's just perfect No one dislike him

Yup, hate it. Hope he’s revealed tomorrow.

I was drowning before I clicked this video when he said minus 14 to plus8 what kind of monster was this character

I always got the impression that Johnny was one of the more liked top tiers.

I always appreciate the work you put into your videos LK. In my (never humble) opinion, you are one of the top fighting game content creators. Thanks for all you do big homie ✌👌 👍

Awesome vid

I hope Johnny makes it back just to see Omito play. Always funny watching some guy out of a Delinquent Manga in a letterman jacket just styling on ppl.

Anyway, Johnny in GGST when?

Not to mention that you cannot burst out of johnny combo or pressure since he's never actually next to you, since he his reach is dhalsim like.

"Is he saying Misfire?" Okay, I can see it. "Mist Finder"? Hmm, okay, that could be it. "Mist Finer"?? What the heck is that!?

wow didn't know he could make himself so plus with the cancels

If/when Johnny comes back I expect Mist Finer to stay but for Mist Finer cancels to go; building up to a big iaijutsu slash is cool, jerking the hilt of your sword to stay plus is kinda wack.

"Damn bro that was close you almost selected I-no ha ha, come on press start we've got Johnny combos to grind"

rare lk video thats not recorded on stream?

What I've learned is that Guilty Gear players just fucking hate every character

When Johhny gets released he'll either be the new Happy Chaos or just ignored because Chaos is better. I foresee a lot of guard crush lv3 mist finers.

That's a weird way to spell love (edit: I think by the end, JP considered millia best in game, thanks ranger)

LK kicking himself for making this video well before he was announced for Strive.

he's still considered the best character in the game. with the exit of all the really strong elphelt's it's not really considered a contest anymore who's stronger.

First GG and now ultrakill, why are coins so OP/Cool in games?

Forgive my ignorance but is Johnny's mist finder like Squigglys stances?

why yes i love defending my lil silly corner from the character that spams me with half screen normal that is +billion on block and gives him entire weekend to hitconfirm and it doesn't even matter if i press or not because my risc bar is as bright as bezos' children's future

But cool hat and sunglasses😢

JOHNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEE

I can't hate on a character that looks that dope, even if he is busted.

Biggest complaint: he isn't wearing Kamina glasses

they dislike Rev Johnny just clearing that up lmao

I know this has nothing to do with the video but im new to GG strive but im looking for an experienced players who wouldn't mind playing a new player on ps4 so I can learn the game and get constructive criticism on my gameplay if anyone is interested

Only XRD players don't like Johnny bc if I recall right he was mid in most GG games and he was still less busted and more fun to fight compared to Ram in strive

WOAH WOAH there cheif (even though I didn't start the vid yet and will watch later) but I don't think I've met any xrd player who really "hated" Johnny lol. That nigga was cool af to watch and play Edit: was he annoying to fight? In my experience with millia I felt it was even or slight Johnny favor. I can see him being annoying for others not like elphelt where people wanted her tf out of the game lol

I like him

"characters not in strive" Reported for misinformation

Well look now

Seems perfectly fair to me

I speak for all guilty gear players(even you) when I say "All Guilty Gear players love Johnny." It just be that way

Oh god

I remember someone posted how they would put up with Johnny over elphelt

I really hope that if he comes to strive his kit is changed and made to be less absurd. I really like his character design and the ideia of being an Iaido character, but his implementation in Xrd is unreasonable at best

The johnny hype is getting bigger

Omito twerked on everyone too

he's too cool looking of a character not to get in strive

Thats just wrong. Jonny it the good type of op

Johnny IS COMING TO STRIVE IT'S A FACT SRY

they just have a skill issue

There's always one thing that ruins the look of Guilty Gear characters for me on a visual level, generally. They look so bad ass, but there's always one detail too far and it veers to 'trying way too hard.' Sol with his Free belt and flairs. Goldlewis with his chaps. Now Johnny with his ridiculous belt buckle. The better examples of GG characters without this problem are Baiken (not for the reasons you think), that black vampire dude, and the goth one that released recently.

people dislike johnny???

Why is your game is korean

Cope I love Johnny and I don't even play him

In a lot of ways he's similar to Nago. Corner pressure involves getting pressured by big buttons, threatened by throw or risc crank (minus the YRC 50/50s lol). Crazy combos/conversion-ability. Fast movement options are tied to attacks/specials. Big buttons and controlling that forward/upper space with Nago 2H/P mist finer. I'm very curious how Arcsys re-makes Johnny for Strive.

I like him