Indeed. It is however also true that many manufacturers have built a reputation for quality and reliability that has made them wealthy, but whom have taken to ride that gravy train while simultaneously cutting cost by relocating to where labour is cheaper or using cheaper materials or redesigning to achieve a lower build cost and any combination thereof. Mercedes cars are a case in point. Sadly finding quality is not blindly going by a well known brand name anymore, as they're all at it to a greater or lesser extent. Thus you can end up paying top dollar for a machine that is merely average. Wes has actual experience with this brand and after sales service, so in fact going elsewhere would make no sense at all.
john deere dealers loves to ripping off money wich my kubota and case dealer great for a goseate with what ever you want to pay he still take the deal wich hes doesnt take customers for granted wich deeres does
You're telling me,we finally got finished with corn today and at the last acre I got stuck, got myself out then started going again I blew a tire. I was very happy to see the last rows of corn going into the machine.
Not a hay farmer but, if I was I'd be thinking about a Krone. Someone who knows a baler does an ad for free that is pretty good. Krone should be nice and give you the 1500 dollar repair pack. That would be cheap payment for a free ad. I hope it drys out for you! But It does not look like it.
In my opinion, with the great run you've had out of the first Krone, you'd be a fool to buy anything else. Expensive, yeah, but it costs money to make money.
I've never seen nor heard of Krone until I started watching your videos. Low and behold, one has shown up 40 miles west of us at a used farm equipment lot. I couldn't imagine how that would have been almost 40 years ago when we had 1000 acres of hay ground. We mowed, raked, pushed up, and stacked in a hay cage. We would start on the 5th of July and it would be October by the time we had the stacks in the hay yards. Naturally we had other things going on at the ranch so moving stacks wasn't as important as getting it down and stacked.
I like how you explain why you like or don't like a baler. So much of the time people try to tell you that they're baler is the best but without saying why or comparing it to another machine. If I'm going to listen to somebody say how good they're machine is I wanna hear facts like you explained. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and video!!
I know a friend of mine working for krone in Germany and he told me that the owner of the company is all about durability and customer service, they actually make a really small amount of profit on this machines but he told me that the owner is not about profit but for making the best products possible. I also own a lot of Krone equipment and would never change that again.
Krone is a family company that mainly makes road truck trailers. The agricultural machinery side is a result of their enthusiasm for that side of the business. While they do make some superb equipment, not all of it is the best. Their round balers, both fixed and variable chamber do not have stellar reputations and I once owned a twin rotor hay rake that had electric motors to adjust wheel height and electrics to fold it through a control box; things that really aren't needed on a hay rake. On top of which its frame was just not strong enough and cracked badly, needing a lot of welding and gussets added. Sold it and got a Kuhn which is a far better rake. There were a few Big Packs around here in West Wales a decade or more ago, but they do seem to have become fewer in number as time goes on. Claas were very strong in big balers here at one time also. I should say that hay and silage is the biggest use around here, whereas into the arable areas of England it is more for straw and MF dominate the market in those areas. Here, I still think Claas are the biggest sellers with McHale dominating the round baler market. Claas went through a very long cost-cutting stage with their round balers which gave a lot of trouble and they basically destroyed the market for their balers which once dominated.
@@hedydd2 I got two Big X 680, 3 Big Pack 1290 HDP and 2 Comprima the only problem I had was with one of the small balers since the novogrip broke I also have some McHales which I use, as small baler I would prefer tha McHale that´s right.
@@hedydd2 True, Krone rakes were really bad a while back. They also had a horrible weakpoint in the tine arms (or whatever those are called) where they put a pin right through the arm to fix it to the rotor and they will always break there so you have to go back across the field to look for the arm, lest it messes up your self loading wagon or baler. But they seem to have improved nowadays. Also McHale seems to have completely cornered the round baler market here in this region of north western Germany over the last couple of years.
@@RU-vid_Kundendienst A farm about two miles down the road from me has a Comprina variable chamber combination baler/wrapper. The only such Krone machine the dealer for this area has sold. It seems to go well enough but has a small workload of less than 1000 bales annually. The Comprena seems to have a good reputation but not many have been sold around here. Perhaps it doesn't help that the dealer is also a New Holland and Lely/Welger dealer and up until this year has been pushing Welger. Now, of course, MF dealers have the Welger balers, so this year the NH dealer has been trying to sell more NH and Krone balers. Personally I don't like the idea of the rubber chain and slat design of the Comprina balers due to the almost inevitable day when a link breaks and shit happens. But that's just me being cautious. I have an old NH belt baler which is one of the worse decisions I ever made. Having said that, it has worked fine, with no failed bearings, over the last two years but has had a lot of issues over previous years.
@@EinachserLS McHale sell really well here in Wales also. I was one of the first UK customers [but not THE first] to buy a McHale 991B bale wrapper back in 1993. I still have it and use it for about 200 bales a year, which is as many wrapped silage bales that I want to handle annually. Better if zero bales, but bales are always useful as a buffer when it's not worth opening a clamp.
G'day, Wes! Sweet, my uncle having a 40 acre farm!! I'd be as anxious, as a nun in a cucumber patch! Love to come down south, with you Folks, and run The BiG Pack Baler (or) Balers! Thank you! Cheers! 😊🚜❤️✌🏼
Looks great Wes! Should have checked to see if they have an umbrella option to keep it dry. As the saying goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, you have had good luck with the Krone. I see no reason to make a change now. Stick with what works for you. I’m located in Wisconsin and expecting trucks to arrive from south oh here and was informed they are all running late due to the snowstorm. Could be coming your way...
I've commented before on the fact that I've seen three Krone balers in one laser flat alfalfa field. It looked like NASCAR out there. I have never seen balers run so fast. Good luck with your new "toy" and good luck with the rain. Please send some rain to the central valley of California. We're behind again, but we did just get .7" .
100% correct about the Massey baler! When my krone broke down, all the dealer had was a used Massey so I didn’t have a choice. The krone is a lot more machine and it definitely shows going across the field. Can’t push the massey like that or start slipping clutches.
Yet more bloody rain in East Yorkshire too. Was thinking back on what you've had to do to the older Krone, and other than the header you ran into a stump, the tyre that blew out, I think the only other things that you wouldn't expect to be replacing anyway like pick up tines, knotter rollers and stuff, was one or two needles? Anything other than that has lasted until the annual service.
Looks good! I've been really impressed with all the equipment Krone puts out there. As you've said Wes, they are contently looking for ways to improve the functionality and durability of their equipment. It's a philosophy I think still partially applies to John Deere. They too seem to choose to add metal and strength to equipment as opposed to save weight and material.
That is a proven quality machine. Very nice, very well built. It has proven itself to be one of the best built and best operating machines, with less down time, than any other baler in its class on the market today.
Wes, the one thing about Krone is, it's well designed, well built. It puts all others to shame as it should. Completely understand why you shop around, who wouldn't for those prices. However, as you said, you get what you pay for and with Krone, you're getting, (in my opinion), the best of the best. Messick's may have slightly dropped the ball on you when you first purchased by leaving the bale in the chamber but, they did make it up to you. I think you have a good dealership that's truly willing to help you and you're seeing them go that extra step. Hopefully, unless Krone starts messing up their design, you'll stay with Krone despite the high cost.
When you are doing a time sensitive operation like baling hay, with operations to be done before and after the baling, reliability and uptime is very important. If you remember the videos when the Krone baler pickup cruised into the hidden stump, under the windrow, Disassembling Damage ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kkg-dLxAbIE.html Repairing Damage ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cfOQjkQ-gi4.html you should know a couple things: 1. The actual damage was half as bad as most expected, the machine is built rugged, yet made to be repaired. 2. The unusual parts needed to repair it, were there in a few days. 3. The repair went smoothly, no unusual tools were needed, no parts didn't fit right or were missing, no "the new pickup rotor is made different than the old one". 4. It pretty much went to work and kept working after the repair, it didn't limp around for a few days, as additional hidden damaged parts failed out. Wes has a good dealer in Messick's near him. When I bought a very used and abused machine, and had a few parts fail out, my Krone dealer in Kaukauna Wisconsin got the parts to me quickly, and they worked. Krone has good parts availability and dealer staff in the U.S.
About twine usage: On the BP 1290 HDP, making 8 foot long bales, every string around the bale, tied with a beginning and ending knot, uses about 20.3' of twine. Six full loops per bale, gets you to 122' of twine per bale. I believe Wes is using 4,000' rolls of twine, so the math says about 32+ bales of hay from every roll of twine. 3 upper strings and 3 lower strings come out of the twine box on each side. That is 12 strings feeding the upper and lower parts of the baler. Although Wes's baler has storage in the twine boxes for 32 rolls of twine (16 rolls per side), even after just reloading all the empty slots, you may have up to 12 lead rolls that are almost used up. It is expensive to just discard them, just because they are not full. So 32 roll total capacity, minus 12 rolls that may be close to used up, leaves you with only 20 full rolls right after a twine reload. So, at best, 20 full rolls x 32 bales per full roll, you are guaranteed to have enough twine ON YOUR BALER to make 640 bales, after a reload. BUT, on a twine box that holds 16 rolls maximum, and knowing that you use about twice as much twine per bale on the bottom string (13.5') versus the top string (6.83') most operators will setup 2 rolls to feed each top string and 3 rolls to feed each bottom string. 2 x3 top strings =6, 3 x3 bottom strings=9, 6+9=15. This leaves 1 slot in each twine box for spare twine rolls/tools/whatever. SO, in actual use, Let's do the math for a bottom string fed by 3 rolls, the lead roll may be nearly gone at time of reload, so it may have not much more than 2 full rolls remaining. 2 full rolls is 8,000 feet of twine, 13.5' will be used on this bottom string every time a bale is made... 8,000 / 13.5 = 592 bales can be made for this bottom string, guaranteed. The upper string will run out about the same time. You better plan to reload your twine boxes by the time you've made 592 bales. Sometimes a missed knot, or uncut knot can waste a lot of twine getting pulled out of the baler by a bale still connected to the baler, so watch for that. When doing big fields of straw, even if full of twine in the morning, Wes may have to reload before the days work is done.
Can completely agree with you when you say if you spend more money you get better quality, bought a new dump trailer for work and the price I paid for it I could have bought 2 of the cheaper brand for the price I paid for the one I chose to buy and I don’t regret it one bit at all, I knew if I got a cheap one I’d trash it in a a year or two
Anything that operates well and doesn't break down is so worth it. I have never been unhappy going first class because there is a reason why it cost more. Generally they work better and last longer...
Quote from my dad, "Don't fix if it aint broke.'' The Krone has by far has been your most reliable baler. Just look at your video history, I think you were working on the New Hollands every day.
We had really hot temps over the summer no rain then rained quite a bit the last couple months but we’re able to finally get our cotton out of the field and half the wheat in the other half will be in once I mow cotton stalks
Run what works for ya, simples ☺ The fact that Krone allow you to fit any upgraded parts during your yearly service meaning you nearly have a new bailer each season can't be a bad thing. I know it costs money but I'm sure you are getting warranty on any work Messicks do each year and it keeps a good relationship with them going forward. Having 2 machines the same is a hugh benefit not only from a spares point of view but also for the operators, they can move between machines without any issues and not lose any time geting to know the machine. Best of luck with new member of the Pandy fleet!
The Right decision with the Krone to bad you got rid of your heston with all the work you put into it with the little bales you made with it and it would been cool to see three balers go in the same field
in the long run... it is probably cheaper because of up time and production time. remember time=money. and you are not making anything with a broken piece of equipment...
why krone again, i think part of the reason is your dealer support. yes you do most of work but when you need a phone call and someone can answer your question, that's a huge selling point to me..
My son is a ag engineering student at Iowa State, in the summer of 2016 he did a internship for John Deere and tested balers in Arizona, painted jd green on the outside and Kuhn orange inside.
Mike Canaday As I recall, the baler had been used for demos (thus the rotten hay comment) and it looked like the PTO shaft had not been lubed and the CV joints had been damaged when Wes got it.
He ran a chunk of wood into the baler, which broke the replacement PTO shaft. The original shaft was a victim of low (no) maintenance as a demo machine.
@@nigelmchugh5541 yeah but Krone North America would gain allot of data and public credability by aligning with Wes dont ye think? if it can survive his type of hay and conditions ie. hills wet and temp range then maybe they'll throw him some freebies freebies freeeeebieeeees!!!
I know I love my krone’s. One thing I don’t like about the 2017 and newer baler is all codes or a sensor problem has to be looked up from the dealer computer no more help from the monitor
All codes and sensor identifications are also listed in the Operator's manual, available printed or on .pdf I keep the .pdf on my Smart Phone and can do a search very quickly.
Except a 1290 HDP hi-speed.. a crew i worked on in the U.K demoed the new massey new john deere and the new new holland baler beside their own 1290 HDP 8 stringer. The krone and Deere came out on top. With the krone ahead of the Deere.
Hey Wes are you going to be replacing the first Krone at the end of next season as you planned or are you going to see? Also why would you go with anything other than what you have like you said you only opened the parts manual once. No reason to fix something thats not broken!!!!
At 1st i wasnt sure if i had selected a vid that was 2yrs old. Ok so now that is cleared who is going run the older bailer n with what tractor. I think i see you keeping the 8320 with the new bailer to test it out in case of adjustments etc.
very convenient you posting this video now im just pricing a newholland 80x90 plus silage spec and a krone 80x90 i have been warned about the stuffer system on krone costing alot of money if it goes wrong !! i do like the krone alot though
Once you go Krone, you never go back! These are the best balers on the planet. All the dislikes on this video are probably butthurt new holland guys. 😁
Is Krone really the king? Still? I think it was maybe 2 years ago but there's been lots of development since. I was totally impressed by the Challenger XD... bales were some of the tightest densest I've seen. Vicon is king now. The technology on that baler is pretty impressive. MM Weaver in Leola is my Fendt dealer.
