Why Leg Meta CRUSHES With Tarkov's Updated Armor System! 

cant u craft mag buck?

don't stop shooting fr

Adrenalin wasn't a myth moment

The bizon fires very slowly it's unlikely of being very good, not to even mention being better than the Kedr or Klin.

This 100%

Itll be in 9x19 not 9x18

I can't wait to run around like in csgo with that thing.

@@elflordyt6830the bizon is originally chambered in 9x18 so that’s most likely what it’s going to be

Adding vitals is too much work for bsg

Bro, don't get me started on realism when lip balm will allow you to sprint on broken bones. We now tried "realistic" plates and the majority of the player base hated it so BSG reverted it.

@@NielsenNielsen Sometimes you need a touch of it or you end up with the absurdity of a rifle round directly through your chest being less lethal than some buckshot scraping your armpit.

@@Jackpkmn Don't get me wrong, although I didn't say it in my previous post I did actually like the "realistic" hitboxes for the armor, made the game more unique. In a perfect world I'd like to see both that system and vital areas. Doubt we ever have that in tarkov. But overall players didn't like the "realistic" plates.

Agreed, gzw has the best trauma/health system in gaming.

easier to just slap AP-M and thorax'd someone

Semiauto rifles are not good for leg meta

Knee shredder, it is less accessible tho

It doesn't one tap to the leg and the pump takes forever it's only really good if you have star rounds chambered up top

TRUE THAT IS ONE SHOT XD

@@mrsaltydino4817 If you hit all pellets it does 696 damage which does one shot

@Prushka yeah but I haven't been able to do it unless they were nude and I just thorax them I haven't seen it one tap on a leg this wipe

I hated the armor rework so much that in the next wipe I'll play exclusively with leg ammo to farm salt from the players who praised the change because they want this game to have a CoD-like time-to-kill, but right now I can't be arsed because it's already so late into the wipe.

@daaaavidz I disagree. Your telling me you enjoyed dying to a ai cause he hit you in the upper chest with sp7 I understand the vital hit boxes but to be Frank with the new armor I feel like my money is actually invested into something and works now do I think availability of tier 5 plates should be more limited yes but as of now I feel like the armor feels good at least if I get one tapped it's in the head. Which is where I only aim for because with even meh ammo most people aren't wearing face masks cough cough cqcm. But if you hit people in the face they still go down. Aiming for legs just makes your aim worse imo

100% agree

@@mrsaltydino4817 The thing u need to understand is that before the latest update the armour was working as inteded and it protected you and was worth the moeny you paid too. You need to understand that plate carriers and armour vests are meant to protect you when everything else failed. You should use cover and concealment to increase survivability. If you are found in the open you nmade a mistake and the vest is there to cover your vitals which is what BSG should have incluided. Do not use armour as cover, use cover as cover and armour as armour. Everyone that did not enjoy the previous armour hitboxes is because they do not use cover or concealment which is this milsim harcore game you definately should. This is not cod.

Well clearly youre either too young, or too dumb to understand what the word "nuance" means, or youre just intentionally arguing in very poor faith to make your god awful opinion seem "correct". I have never seen anyone ask for anything even remotely close to your gross exaggeration of a "30 second TTK" for the so called "cod zoomers"(which is ironic, since id wager most of the people who wanted armor to actually do something, were older, veterans of the game lul), people simply wanted armor to do something, and for you to be rightfully rewarded for wearing high tier armor, and using high tier ammo(whereas before, it largely did not matter if you used a cheap kit with cheap ammo, or you used top tier gear)...you know, have gear/ammo progression actually mean something? It was incredibly easy(in fact it took literally 0 mechanical skill, especially with the recoil changes) to use ANY ammo out of ANY gun and just spray center mass and end up dropping someone in a second because it was incredibly common for 1-2 rounds to evade hitting the plate hitbox(which is all you needed, even if you were running easily accessible, cheap af ammo), rendering whatever armor that person was using, effectively useless. I cant count how many times I was 1 tapped to the thorax by rounds that should never 1 tap me through a level 6 plate+lvl 3 aramid, but they routinely did because the plate hitbox was so small. Now, aim is rewarded(hitting headshots) more, as well as using higher tier gear/ammo too, AND you can achieve a similar TTK as someone using BiS gear even if you dont have access to max traders, by simply using flesh rounds+leg meta'ing people. That is objectively far more balanced than it was before. Now, you have timmys and people with dogshit aim who are mad because they cant use piss gear and ammo, and still 1 tap peoples thorax's with any random centermass spray, completely negating what gear theyre wearing...boo fucking hoo, what a concept, they made mechanical skill and aim actually matter in an FPS??

@@mrsaltydino4817 I'm not denying the problem with RNG letting flesh ammo often ignore armor with previous plates, what I'm saying is that the solution that BSG addopted to solve this issue was terrible and made the game even worse, with PMCs being considerably more tanky now than they were back in Tarkov 0.13 when many people already considered them too tanky. Instead of coming up with a proper solution, like adding a new vital organ hitbox at the center of the torso, and then making a blacked torso no longer causing death, BSG simply increased the size of the hitboxes because tha required almost no effort from their part. Now we are all paying for their lazyness and things will only get worse in the next wipe, because right now the consequence of the armor changes isn't in full effect because most players have access to high penetration ammo this late into the wipe.

Sad 😔

How do you get .45 rip so early??

@@garrettjudkins499 I bought it on the flea, I also did broadcast at like lvl 28 or something.

It doesn't lead to anything so it arguably isn't worth doing.

Yeah I stopped bothering doing that quest lol, this wipe I've been extremely lazy with Questing after level 42 😅

I'm going back and forth on it. It feels really inconsistent to me.

@@ItIsYouAreNotYour exactly… Yesterdays me and my friends played BF4 on HC server (60%HP) 3-5shot kill… even this felt better than tarky right now 🤣

Pause

🤨🤨🤨

Also you can use 5.56 HP too, and the price is so cheap that i dont even bother to put it in secure container and just use spare space to put more meds. Work wonder when you blast dem knee of Level 5 armor chad.

Kedr user: I'm living under Nikita bed, haunting him with leg meta everynight 😂😂😂

RNG, it was confusing or broken in several ways (frag couldn't happen on thorax/stomach, frag couldn't happen for ammo under a certain pen value even if it had 100% frag chance).

@@umbrella4407 I'm 100% I was frag more than once on the torax (but it was by scav AI if it matters) do we know if they plan on fixing it and putting it again or is it gone forever ? Thanks for the clarification btw

@@Killer2Croc The "frag only happens on limbs" might have been a PMC V PMC thing only. I don't remember. Nikita just said in a Q&A that they are removing it, it's hard to tell, but at least I got the impression it is going away permanently. Perhaps they will rework it at some point, but considering how long the old system was around with the weird bugs I doubt it.

Just the streamers, nikita gives no f's for cod players

I tried the m4 since it have better RPM and considering easier to mod thank to recoil rework, i just take a 60 recoil M4 and blast dem leg with it😂

Only one was blacked

@@m4j0r3x but even with one blacked leg, it's not possible to sprint anymore, right?

Fire rates for all the weapons that use it are too low for leg meta.

Change health in settings to polychrome

@@darqen271 Thank you good sir.

The korund level 5 plates cover that area, so it is a big no for stomach/groin meta.

@@quangnhat5345 I'm pretty it does not anymore, they've made all plates have the same hitbox and that's the issue. But it would be something to verify.

@@quangnhat5345 I'm pretty it does not anymore, they've made all plates have the same hitbox and that's the issue. But it would be something to verify.

It's not in the game anymore

Armor damage is a percent based on the pen, so for dual sabot they do 11 armor damage each (22 if both hit) and ap20 does 24 armor damage. Its a really misleading stat and it would be nice if they just listed the raw armor damage.

And that's just the raw armor damage - it then depends on the pen (a second time) and the armor class too, so it does different amounts to different armors. That's with taking material into account of course - indeed a very confusing stat

You can look at it two ways, either reduce the damage of the bullet and calculate the hits to 440 hp OR you can calculate the "effective hp" of a PMC via the legs by adding the 30% on top. This lets you figure out the raw damage that you need to do. To reduce the bullets damage by 30% you'd x0.7, so to work out the EHP we need to divide the remaining health by 0.7 to get to the full number. Qualitatively, the damage reduction = more shots to kill, so the raw damage needed for a leg kill MUST go up and be more than 440

@@Gigabeef Thank you for the clarification and explanation! I love your content and always learn something new.

If you're talking about the green tea barter from Jaeger, they got rid of it.

@@christianr.b.6074 booooo mind you opening all those packets was a pita, could have done with adjustments to the packet like with the m882 packs

no

Sounds like a Timmy.

@@NamNam-mj8xj not sure what you mean?

It's almost like people can have differing opinions and preferences 🤔

Armor is not the problem, the problem is everyone can run level 5/6 armour while you can only get 40ish pen ammo at best

@@impc8265 If you remove class 5 and 6 then streamers are gonna cry again how anyone can kill them in 3-4 hits and "armor does not work". same thing if you make more 50+ pen ammo available. even if nothing will be done and all the timmies will just spam garbage gear with shotguns and camp kneecaps of chads, those chads will cry so loud about how its unfair that their 10h a day grind does not make them completely invulnerable. we had all of those issues with ammo and armor before. thx to some talking heads from twitch we have it back again. this time though, with addition of pve i suspect that a lot of players, who does not want to participate in that meta powerlevelling race, will just stick to pve and pvp servers will die out exremely fast after every wipe, with no players outside of dorms and reserve bunker.

it works lol i had an mp9 with quake maker and i won a gun broad on broad with it and the other guy had a meta m4. there's no wrong way to play this game you can do whatever the hell you want

How do people perceive armor working as a bad thing? people complained armor didnt work cuz it flat out didnt and felt like shit no matter what you wore you would get arm pitted no matter what you wore guy in corner killed you in less than .2 seconds now the TTK is slightly longer and more reliant on headshots ohhh no my M4 with bad ammo doesnt kill people in lvl 6 armor.... it does you just need to headshot them the kink mask is the only real problem cuz then you can ONLY kill them if you have 40+ pen and you hit a double headshot You still get throat shot you still get killed from the side mega fast you still die to the buttcheeks

@@kinsgaming8197 go back to cod

Its pretty cancer tbh. Literally just gated by terrible ammo cuz i cant use the flea.

Not to mention the % chance for a heavy bleed. Everyone seems to forget that when talking about ammo. Being able to tear someone up and give them 3 heavy bleeds is huge in a corner to corner fight because they will want to retreat but can't heal because you are so close, if they do you can catch them in the act. If they hold off from healing they will just bleed out.

​@@v4lhulme in that case any chad will just use zagustin + etg. It won't restore the blacked out legs of course, but they will still be at around 380 or 310 hp. Late wipe leg meta is feast or famine, you either kill them with a clean burst or get farmed yourself. With all that being said, leg meta is still legit at any stage of the game.

Damage is reduced by 30% which = x0.7 yes, but to work out how much raw damage you need to do you take the HP and divide by 0.7 to get back to the total. Otherwise the damage gets smaller via legs not bigger, which makes no sense

the problem is that you don't have access to high pen ammo while everyone is running tier 6, get a brain maybe

any hit registry issues would affect all ammo types equally. I think you're just missing

@@Tranztopoleez Yes... that's exactly what I wrote... maybe try reading more than just the first three words?

@@impc8265 And that's why you don't engage in close combat with better-equipped players. Legmeta will get you nowhere, the only thing you'll achieve with it is taking down Timys. But you could have taken them down with a club as well. Legmeta is BS! Grow a brain. If you don't have good ammo, keep your distance!!

@@donjonson1748 You said it's better to use high-pen ammo but if you watched the video, he's comparing relatively equal time-to-kills with each ammo type, the amount of hits not being registered with either type would equate to the same chance of failure

Because you have to assume all are hits, which they won't be in most cases or collect data from hundreds of fights which isn't realistic. If you're prepared to assume all rounds hit. time to kill = rounds to kill ÷ rpm of weapon × 60

Exactly. Its the common procedure to assume all rounds hit when we are talking TTK. My problem here is why mention "TTK" specificaly multiple times throughout the video without actually giving us THAT statistic.

Sounds like something a dead Chad would say

@@jonathanviera3466 "chads" arent real bro

?? He said that it only meets 1 of the 3 criteria - HIGH DAMAGE

Do you watch videos all the way through before you comment?