It is interesting to see many people claiming that the little ones are incapable. Even though Jesus said that the adults must be like little children. How so many get such obvious things so wrong. Then elaborate on their excuses. They go full throttle in to destruction. Matthew 18:3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
@@timothydirig8843 LOL HA HA HA what do you meme speaking in "tongues"? Skipidi dipidid doodod? You should shut off caps lock but I still wouldn't take you seriously.
So you say that adults first believe and are then baptised while in infants faith is created in baptism? Well, I know so many people who have been baptised as babies and almost all of them are total unbelievers. Would a Lutheran theologian say that regeneration takes place in everyone during baptism and that those who do not belong to the chosen ones of God lose their faith sooner or later?
We Lutherans would say that people are regenerated during baptism, but someone can fall away by their own choice. We believe God's grace is for everyone, and it is up to each individual whether they accept or reject this. The reason why we don't baptize unbelieving adults is because they have willfully rejected the forgiveness God offers. So baptism would not do any good for them.
@@brendonpremkumar8207 That means that "normally" faith would come before regeneration, except for infants? What about a three year old child? Or a six year old? Can they have faith before baptism? And at what age can people reject the grace of God and fall away? Most children and adults I know have been baptised as infants and if I would ask them if they believe in Jesus and the Gospel, the vast majority of them would certainly say "no". If they ever had faith, they seem to have lost it in their early childhood.
@@hpsteuer Being baptized doesn't guarantee that one will keep the faith. When the baby is baptized, the parents must make a commitment to raise them in the faith. If they aren't very committed to this, it is more than likely the child may lose the faith later on. As for an adult, it is their own responsibility to practice the faith and believe. What you said about many who were baptized as infants also applies to people who are baptized as adults. I was raised evangelical and baptized at an age where I could comprehend salvation, but I myself later abandoned Christianity for some time. But by God's grace I returned back to Christianity and I am now in the process of converting to Lutheranism.
@@knockout4121 Start with the Great Commission. Matthew 28 "The Great Commission 16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”"
The Great Commission. Matthew 28:16-20 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
JoeLackey, do you believe that God would withhold his forgiveness from someone based on their lack of cognitive abilities? Death is the mark of sin. Babies are sinners. Baptize those babies. The early church did baptize infants and also in Acts whole households were baptized. It never emphasizes an age restriction, that’s something you’re creating, as if our “decision” is the deciding factor on whether or not we personally receive the benefits of Christ’s cross to us. Since this understanding we can find in the 1st century church I think it’s safe to say that it was passed down to them from the apostles.
Sorry Salvation does not come through Baptism. Scripture states without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. And if salvation did come through water baptism then there would’ve been no need for Jesus to come, be crucified and shed His blood for the atonement once and for all and to put us in right relationship with God.
You are confusing Christ’s work that accomplished the forgiveness of sins and how God distributes and applies that forgiveness to us. Lutherans agree with you on how Christ accomplished our salvation in his atoning death and resurrection. However, the scriptures teach that baptism is where God unites a person to that saving work, and that promise is received by faith. The same principle could be applied to preaching. You would rightly agree that the statement “salvation does not come through the preaching of God’s Word because the scripture states without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins” is ridiculous. It’s the same concept. Both baptizing and preaching the Word are the means by which God makes disciples and brings salvation.
I was sprinkled as an infant. My church called this "baptism" and told my parents that it washed away my sins. Later I went through confirmation to "confirm my baptism". I would estimate that maybe, MAYBE 20% of those kids I was confirmed with are still professing Christians and attending church even semi-regularly. If that's what Christianity is, then that's pretty sad in my humble opinion. The real baptism that forgives sins is the baptism of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13) that happens the exact moment we are born of the Spirit/born again by trusting Christ alone to save us. "That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" - Ephesians 1:12-13 KJV When Jesus said you must be born again in John 3:3-8, he was talking about being born of the Spirit. This is the indwelling of the Spirit in a new believer who realizes their own sinful, wicked state and turns to/agrees with God that nothing they do can save them (including “sacraments”) and they, by faith, call on the Lord (and him alone) to save them, receiving Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and trusting his blood alone for the forgiveness of all sins (Romans 3:25, Revelation 1:5). When Jesus says born of water and Spirit, he's contrasting physical birth with Spiritual birth. Everyone is born once by water when they entered into the world through their mother's womb. But only those who are born again (i.e. born of the Spirit of God) will go to Heaven. In other words, if you're born once (physical birth), you will die twice (physical death and spiritual death - eternity in Hell). But if you're born twice (physical AND Spiritual birth), then you will only die once (physically) and you will live forever with God in Heaven because you've been born again of his Spirit. Those who are born again will not be hurt by the second death. May God bless you. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." - Revelation 2:11 KJV
@@user-zu2bw7ig5v Amen. Pouring/Sprinkling water on someone does not save them. It's faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ that saves. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins" - Colossians 1:14 KJV And besides this, everyone who was water baptized in the New Testament was old enough to believe (i.e. not an infant) and they were fully submerged into the water.
@@liahamada Amen. I grew up Lutheran. I'm now an independent Baptist. But denomination doesn't so much matter, what matters the most is if you are born again (John 3:3). Being born again is not the same as water baptism. Water baptism comes AFTER being born again/saved. In the New Testament, the people that are born again by placing their faith solely in the atoning blood of the Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:7, 12-13, Romans 3:23-26) then go on to be water baptized - fully immersed in the water. "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him." - Acts 8:36-38 KJV May God bless you Lia with the truth of his word - the Holy Bible! Amen.
The first question we need to answer is "what does baptism do?" The scriptures are clear that baptism washes away your sins (Acts 22:16), gives you the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), and saves you (1 Peter 3:21). The second question we then need to answer is "who needs to have their sins washed away, receive the Holy Spirit, and be saved?" The scriptures are clear that everyone does (Romans 3:23) including babies (Psalm 51:5). Therefore, scripture does support infant baptism. There are absolutely no scriptures that speak of baptism being solely symbolic or being an outward expression of an inward reality.
The first question we need to answer is "what does baptism do?" The scriptures are clear that baptism washes away your sins (Acts 22:16), gives you the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), and saves you (1 Peter 3:21). The second question we then need to answer is "who needs to have their sins washed away, receive the Holy Spirit, and be saved?" The scriptures are clear that everyone does (Romans 3:23) including babies (Psalm 51:5). Therefore, scripture does support infant baptism. It is you who twists scriptures to fit your false beliefs. There are absolutely no scripture that speak of baptism being solely symbolic or being an outward expression of an inward reality.
