"Why More People Tunnel" - Scott Live Reacts - Dead by Daylight 

On the BBQ and chili stacks subject, I honestly felt much MUCH better getting 4 stacks and losing than current no stacks and losing. It was a sort of side quest that felt really good achieving imo. Same goes for we're gonna live forever stacks as survivor. I really hope they bring back something similar on both sides.

Giga chads throwing the entire match to get bbq was pretty common

100% especially as a new player who doesn’t have every perk unlocked BBQ was basically base kit for me and the points were more important than getting kills.

BBQ: YES! Playing Killer for me was just a way how to quickly get lots of BP. And the best way to do that was to rapidly queue in the evening, get 4 stacks and have the game end no matter if it's a win or loss. Extending the game to a crazy long duration by protecting a 3-gen etc. was just a waste of time when you wanted the most bloodpoints per hour.

I really dislike that they removed the BP incentives for BBQ and WGLF. I play almost exclusively survivor, so when I play killer and get destroyed, I still felt okay because I managed to complete my own mini objective, which was the 4 BBQ stacks for extra BP. Same thing for survivor, even if a game is completely lost (or soon to be lost), I still felt good because I could still achieve my own mini objective for WGLF.

I'd like to add that Dead Hard was different too and it was very easy to combine a free hit from BT, with DH + DS for a massive amount of time stalled for being tunneled, which scared a lot of killers into not tunneling. Unbreakable was also commonly run with DS, so no matter what, the killer would lose a ton of pressure by tunneling. Now that synergy isn't really there anymore (killers don't respect DS), DH can't be used while in deep wound, unless you run DS, which we know is really questionable over other perks, and you have our current situation where anti-tunneling is pretty weak, making it appealing to killers as it's an easier way to win the match.

Here's how tunneling typically goes in most scenarios: 1. Guy goes to unhook 2. Killer uses stbfl to down the unhooker 3. Killer doesn't hook unhooker yet 4. Killer goes after unhooked person (there's very little down time between downing the unhooker and going for the unhooked guy) 5. Killer downs the unhooked guy 6. Killer hooks the unhooked guy 7. Now the killer can hook the unhooker (if he isn't already picked up, but the point was to hooked the unhooked guy, not him)

It would be nice to see chat in these live discussion videos

I would literally throw matches to get 4 stacks, sure tunneling still existed and was prevalent, but a lot of ppl really wanted bloodpoints over sweating for the 4k

I would love to see Scott and Otzdarva talk about this in person because I think they have slightly different ideas about the term "tunneling". It seems like for Scott, tunneling is ignoring everything else in the game in order to hunt down a specific survivor while for Otz it seems like tunneling is targeting a specific survivor as a priority but also exerting as much pressure as possible if another opportunity arises.

I didn't play killer a lot back then, but when I did it was typically because I needed bloodpoints and BBQ was the easiest method in the game to get them quickly. Quite literally playing killer was just BBQ BP farming.

A 50 minute video of Scott tunneling 👀👀😅

4:35 no i 100% prioritized 4 stacks over winning every time

BBQ & Chili made a Killer's base goal in the game 4 Hooks instead of 4 Kills. It was so much easier to not be frustrated by losing when you could potentially still get 40k+ bloodpoints even if they all escape.

About the BBQ thing, I was the type of person who prioritized getting 4 stacks over getting kills. Bloodpoints felt better than victory.

I think he was more talking about soft tunneling not literally find 1 person and drill them and ignore everyone else I think with that build he was more talking about people that start the game spreading pressure but realize gen’s might be going to fast and there gonna loose if they don’t start tunneling someone out that’s how I’m interpreting this

Definitely taking your advice and tunneling more. Thanks scott 😇

I do believe one thing that has dramatically changed is that items are more common now because of the bloodweb, BP changes, and especially prestige changes, especially for newer players who used to have their entire inventory erased each prestige. At the same time, though, the most broken and obnoxious add-ons for killer are also much more common. Which of survivor or killer benefits more depends on the specific killer. I still say that the grade/rank change is the biggest driver, with DS a close second. Staying at Iri 1 was bragging rights, but you would struggle to do that if you straight tunneled people out immediately. Skill, then, was dragging out games while staying in a winning position, not 4King off 6 hooks, or people DCing because they were being facecamped. Yes, people still played that way, but the game chastised you for it, and do it enough, and you get kicked out of the top MMR, so no more bragging rights to your audience or other people. Your status badge was taken away. Now though? It's all just kills, and so many streamers are preaching that you NEED to play for 4K every single time, regardless of anything else.

I think STBFL re: tunneling is more in regard to playing against teams where you have survivors taking hits for each other, even if it slows you down slightly at the time it makes it much harder for them to stall a tunnel as the game progresses, pretty rare to see survivors throw the obsession at you intelligently too

4:30 Actually... yes! This was me. I found that a lot of the time (this might've just been a skill issue), if I played for kills... I would come up... short... I might get frustrated or upset and I felt I needed to set my own goal, my own objective. I was literally playing a different game. I would be sweaty as FRICK getting those BBQ stacks. THOSE were what mattered. If I got zero kills but 4 stacks? I was happy. Double bloodpoints, baby! Seeing that number go up was what it was about! But toss in a survivor pudding? I was lovin' it! My entire gameplay, mentality and builds centered on BBQ and those gorgeous stacks! I could play and get zero kills but still feel like I won in my own game and soon after, I got better and better and I was 4king most my games even after I stopped being sweaty once I got my 4 stacks. My favorite part about seeing someone DC was "Welp, I hooked em so I got my stack." and would be salty if they DCed before I got the stack. I just... feel lost without it. Heart's not really in it now. Got a picture on my desk of BBQ with 4 stacks and sadly reminisce about the good times now and then. I would gleefully revert DS to the 5 second stun if it meant BBQ and WGLF could have their stacks back.

I like this format of Scott Jund discussion videos.

I would love more of these longer live discussions

This is a nice live discussion format. Keep doing these, Scott 👍🏼

I recently did a day where I didn't camp and tunnel then another day where I basically only camped and tunneled and honestly I had waaaaaaay more fun camping than chasing, instead of going through tons of op loops and perks they had to come to be and strategize around what I'm doing instead of me having to do it

Honestly Lucky Break is good but it is super dependent on map and position of when it activates. And it usually gets you that one escape then the killer usually is aware. It gets more value when paired with other things like Bite the Bullet which I will say I love that combo.

Before I even watch in regards to why otz says he feels tunneling is more necessary: literally every group of survivors i come across at whatever mmr grouping im in thats p10 or higher brings an item of some kind, usually medkits. Combine that with things like circle of healing or new botany and it feels impossible at times to balance running the fun off-meta build I want to without tweaking it to accomodate like bringing franklins or in the case of toolboxes, eruption. A lot of my matches with 3+ items from the start end up being having to find that weak link you mentioned in a previous video, but in times where I've tried to be nice and not heavily prioritize chasing that person, more often than not it just ends with teams full healing on larger maps and the game essentially being over from that point onward. Along with map nerfs, I think heal speed and item balnce seriously need tweaking becuase the combination of endurance prevalence and the ease of resetting after a killer dropping one chase is a little absurd, which only got compounded with the solo queue UI changes. I hate playing killer and feeling like I have to commit to every chase because if I dont they reset in 20 seconds and then a 2 gens pop because the people who spawned on them just stuck it out.

Really smart approach - looking for the reason for tunneling: Because it's good and efficient. So to end tunneling you need to make it not that way.

From personal experience I agree with his thoughts on the BBQ perk and I know one of my friends did as well. As a killer I felt rewarded getting all that BP for 4 hooks. It was lots of fun being encouraged to do something like that and getting such a nice reward. Now that it's gone however I have 0 incentive to hook everyone unless I feel that the match is easy and I'm allowed to do so.

I will say with NOED, I think it is still good enough to get the initial pressure in the end game. Sometimes all you need is the one down to hook someone further into the map away from the gates and you can snowball, even if the totem is cleansed.

I'd like to point out a few things which might help you understand why people think Otz endorses tunneling: 1) he thinks Make Your Choice is a "nice guy" perk. As you noted, MYC forces the killer to return to hook in order to get value out of the perk. Even the devs know this perk is the tunneler's best friend because even the wording is implicit on the perk's function "you or the guy you rescued". Meaning that to use this perk as a "nice guy" first requires the rescuing survivor to give themselves up willingly since the unhooked player will be much easier to find and likely has fewer hooks remaining before being eliminated. 2) Otz mentions specifically his Artist build he used to achieve his 50 game win streak. It's "not *ENTIRELY* focused on tunneling" (emphasis added). Right here, Otz makes an endorsement for tunneling as a means to achieve his win streaks in addition to admitting that other builds on other killers were more focused on tunneling. Remember, when Otz was win streaking, he was playing by different rules. At the time, he counted wins not based on pips (win condition at the time) but strictly based on kills. Tyde Tyme pointed this out both explaining why, at the time, Otz's win streaking was farcical and somewhat misleading to his audience. 3) Otz had a complete series on win streaking. This means Otz played focusing only on winning and nothing else, a practice which requires the use of low-skill high reward playstyles in order to accomplish. Otz at the very least popularized win-streaking which has had a cascading effect on how killer's play the game. If Otz really wants to know why practices like camping and tunneling are so popular, he only has himself to blame. 4) Otz's "No perk, no addon, 30s afk experiment", where he was trying to see if the game was survivor sided or not. Sadly, Otz had no interest in a real experiment and used it as an excuse to see if he could force wins under those conditions. I did a complete analysis of his "experiment", I'll provide it here as well. What Otz's "experiment" did show, however, is that Killer's can force wins under virtually any circumstance if they camp, tunnel, and/or slug. Anyone who saw his "experiment" will logically extract this conclusion and this is seen in other content creators' versions of the experiment, with those camping, tunneling, and slugging performing very well and those who didn't performing abysmally. Video analying Otz's "experiment: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-alDFgEXwwTE.html Conclusion: Otz has demonstrated a tacit, if not open and outright, support for the practices of camping, tunneling, and/or slugging. There are moments in his gameplay videos where he can be heard saying "we need to camp" or "I'm going to have to tunnel" or the like. These moments are common enough that anyone who regularly watches Otz knows exactly what i'm talking about. So just to clear up any confusion on this matter. The reason why people think Otz endorses tunneling is because he has and he does.

Scott can you please next time if you may increase the volume for the video that you react to. Your volume is perfect

If I had an endgame build I always just felt better knowing "ok I gotta try really hard cause I only got 1 or 2 perks but if I do well in the match the last ones won't matter and if I do bad they'll be there to help me". Idk if anyone else thought like that but I did

on the bbq thing, before it was reworked, killers went out of there way to get hooks on everyone. since the meta shake up or whatever you wanna call it, killers tunnel way more than they used to and I honestly contribute it to the fact that's 1. easier to do now and more rewarding and 2. because BBQ & Chili no longer rewards you for hooking four different survivors

SCOOTER IS NOW A REACT ANDY!!! HES MADE IT!!!

I genuinely like this style of content so much and I won't lie, I have now reinstalled the game to play again. The community can be so exhausting when you just wanna chat or discuss topics. It's like so many people are split up into either "killer" or "survivor" and won't just have a good / fun / reasonable chat like this.

This is exactly what I want, I assume. I mean, I haven't watched it yet, but conceptually absolutely!

Let me explain effective tunneling with stbfl: When sweaty teams see you tunneling they get hurt and everyone starts body blocking. You can get three stacks in less than 5 seconds. Just tunnel the obsession the body blocks come for free. If it doesn't work out that way, it's now a 3V1 and it doesn't matter whether you have stacks or not.

so what you're telling me is that I need to tunnel harder. thanks Scott!

When you said that survivors used to be way stronger, it reminded me of the time when exhaustion perkes would tick off cool down when in a chase. I started playing right when that got changed, but It was stupidly strong to have 2-3 sprint bursts or dead hards back then.

Proud to say I watched the whole thing, but the sound effect at 44:03 really caught me off guard XD Love the vid style though it felt a lot more casual and back and forth for discussion that I like :)

I think the better sentence is that more people are realizing the value of tunneling and getting into a 1v3 with the addition of scourge hook, ds nerf, and stuff like that.

I actually really liked this type of video Scott. I love long form content and if you started doing it I'd watch them so much. Good video.

I like this video format, I like seeing how you get your conclusions.

this is exactly my thoughts this was a very good video scott

When Otz said perks I believe he was referring to killer perk changes, not specifically survivor perks; as he went on to explain. Glad you mentioned you cut him off though

I only play Killer and I'd choose to try and get my 4 stacks instead of tunneling someone out (usually at hook exchanges)

Tunneling is in part worse because in so many videos Otz makes, he talks about how good tunneling is, and how important it is to get one person out of the game in his streak videos. I think he has normalized it by saying it's something you need to do to win.

“It takes me 3hrs to get up” That’s so relatable wtf💀

Am I wrong in thinking the first ds nerf also saw an increase in camping and tunneling? I seem to recall when there was no obsession in a match killers knew there was no ds so it was changed to always have an obsession.

React Andy but imagine i said it positively

I think the NOED nerf was overall good for the game.

I think even if it's an anecdotal single game, it's a good indicator that just running around and not tunneling a survivor out of the game won't win you the game even if you can win chases quickly, but without the survivors making major mistakes. But honestly maybe that says more about how good Pain Res or gen-kicking builds are.

I like this reaction style video. I would definitely be interested in seeing some more man

The main build I run on *any* killer to keep things fun for both sides is: No Way Out. Remember Me. Nemesis. Rancor. To play this build right, it forces you to eat pallet stuns on purpose-- without Enduring. You want to tunnel the person who is currently the obsession until you hook them, then go get a new obsession by being stunned, and do the same to them. If you can't manage to get them to stun you, just go for unique hooks like BBQ. There is no generator slow down in this build, and instead is traded off for gate slow down. This lets you have 76 extra seconds to hunt people down after they would have won, even if they're coordinated enough to have someone on the exit gate as soon as the last generator is finished. Over a whole minute is huge. Your main goal the entire game? Get your end-game mori. Your bonus objective? Get more. Rancor with Nemesis lets you change your obsession, even if the first died, allowing you to continue doing more murder. In some cases, I also switch out Remember Me for Lightborn, in the expectation that they'll go for a lot of flashlighting/flashbanging/mines. It also makes you that much more intimidating when they do get that pallet stun and try to blind you after, only to realize they extended the duration you can see their aura for after you destroy the pallet. It doesn't slow down generators or healing, so it doesn't feel horrible to fight as survivor. It has a built in "Goal" for the killer. It can turn losing games into four kills. You'll have more moris in your games guaranteed. It promotes chasing all survivors, and not just one; the sooner you can fully stack Remember Me and No Way Out, the sooner you can play the game without as much restriction.

The only reason why Make Your Choice has lost relevance is because of built in BT. It's a shadow nerf to MYC, limiting the immediate benefit of going back to hook such as with Hag traps. it allows the unhooked survivor to body block for their rescuer instead of the normal other way around.

I love Scott being a reaction Andy. Hope to see more of this

I really enjoy this video chat format, Scott. You should do more.

Nice to see the raw first takes Scott

Doing it live was deff a cool change. I wouldn't mind seeing more of your vids done this way. Of course I enjoy the content either way, but this was cool..

Just a quick otz level short video. LOVE IT!!!

I don't think tunneling in this context can be taken as hardcore tunneling, i.e. not even going for free downs on other survivors. I think we need to see this from the perspective of a tunneler who still wants to win. If the killer goes for survivor X whenever they can, but still chases other people when X is hooked ir doendo this pretty much allows for most of Otz's points and perk usage to still work just fine and get their actual value from tunneling. You wouldn't be tunneling just to tunnel someone, you still wants to win so you would do other things when survivor X isn't "available"

I think the whole tunneling problem is a bit more complicated than "DS is worse now". A lot of killers tend to get VERY upset over any survivor change (Just look at how many killer players are upset over the HUD changes). In turn, they tunnel more as if to "ruin their fun". DS being worse only helped that to begin with. A lot of killers just tunnel to be dicks, that's how it is in my experience. Killers tunnel and camp just to punish the survivor for being good and "out-smarting" them once. I played a game earlier and my friend hole'd a doctor and they got RELENTLESSLY tunneled and camped. I remember a few games where I had a really good chase and just got tunneled and proxy'd because the killer just wanted to (even though they WERE playing nicer before said chase). DS being worse, as I said, only made this EVEN EASIER. I don't think its as simple as "DS worse now. me tunnel more". I think its genuinely some killer players tend to just be dicks to survivors in the average "skill level" of DBD. There's also content creators that constantly say how "Yeah if you get the game into a 3v1 you've basically won" that re-iterates how tunneling is a simple and easy way to win. Even if they're not trying to be mean and they're playing for the win, the average player that cares about winning will think "Okay, the easiest way to win is to tunnel someone out because Otzdarva said so".

My takeaway: Just to add insult to injury in the many negative things about the community, a good chunk of the DBD community also has problems with verbal comprehension. Outstanding.

I was there for this! It was a fun discussion and I was glad to be there to contribute!

Listened through most of it bc I was in a match and vaguely interested but man was this way harder to get through than it needed to be. I get that it's a livestream clip or w.e and a lot of it is responding to chat but spending like 90% of the vid reiterating the same point only to end on "its anecdotal" gets tired pretty quick, esp. over a 50 min runtime.

we should force people who argue in comments to include a quote from the video to support their argument and prove they watched it

Scott slowly morphing into Reaction Andy. Can't wait for the shorts 🤣

"it never was easier for killers.." - alot of killers disagree hard with that statement and bring their hardships up when they justify tunneling from the get go. I can pretty much recite any argument in the forums because they all go the same. "Uh, killer is so super hard right now that's why we tunnel, stop crying survivor main" .. every single time .. Glad to hear that there are other opinions among people with alot of experience in the game :)

I don’t agree with the whole point of killers not caring so much about 4Ks in the past, did we all forget about the hatch standoffs for the 4k that were a common occurrence lol

MyC is lowkey "they'll allow me to tunnel" -perk; played wraith the other day with some casual genkicking perks (eruption, NTH, CoB) and MyC; whenever I got hook and left the hooked person to go look for others, hear the unhook and scream and obviously run back since I want the value and the unhooked people want to take hit for their unhooker, which obviously tells me they are fine with being targeted. Easy ethical tunneling, straight from killers rulebook.

This format of a live discussion is way more interesting for me. I like hearing the bounce around of ideas from chat, and I think having these discussions like your videos per usual, but add another good player (survivor or killer) or content creator to have the discussion with. New Scott Jund podcast idea? 👀👀

I'm over here not camping or tunneling just because it makes me feel bad.

hmmm, this style of video brings a whole new meaning to Scott "only react" Jund

I agree with your points and as to some of your questions I’ll offer my own explanation from experience: BBQ incentives: •In matches as survivor- I had far less tunneling in my matches when the killer was using bbq not just because of the BP bonus but also because of the information showing people who are a decent way away from the hook. •In matches as killer- I don’t tunnel much in my games but back then being a “newer” (300~ hours) killer when tunneling was most effective for me I focused a lot more on the BBQ stacks of getting more bp to help with the grind. Later on as I became a more experienced killer I still used BBQ a lot and almost never tunneled anymore. Now this is not to say that I didn’t tunnel end game etc but I feel like objectively I was more focused on getting my stacks before I killed someone. I often spread the pressure just so I could get my stacks for more bp and if I didn’t then it wasn’t guaranteed I’d get a hook on a survivor and I’d possibly miss out on that bp bonus. (Nowadays) I barely ever see killers running BBQ at all instead it’s switched out for no where to hide or other stronger aura reading perks. Whereas before there was little tunneling with bbq it’s much more frequent that they take that information and tunnel a survivor out harder. EX: Spirit had 2 gens pop where she was spreading pressure so she switched to tunneling people out and killing them and then rinse and repeat. STBFL tunneling- survivors coming in to body block for their teammate so you gain more stacks. You often see them trying to trade hooks and you gain stacks and then also take hits. You can hit through DH for more stacks and through BT for more. It’s easier to get stacks then you may assume.

As a survivor I am much less afraid or upset about noed now. Its still a very strong hex perk. But its more of a psychological nerf. It feels more overcomeable. Still a time sink to deal with. But not impossible on a map like swamp anymore. What happens after its cleansed is still up to the survivors and killers. I guess its better for everyone really. because its not a "gtfo" alarm anymore.

10:00 NOED also has been nerfed indirecly by the new DH. Now you can “test” if the killer has it by getting hiw while using Dead Hard. Not the safest, but starts the 30 sec. timer and tells everyone.

for the noed point, while it is true that you could say that the aura has a trade off of making survivors more likely to stay in the game longer, that is only really true by itself, in the endgame build that was shown no way out is already forcing survivors to stay in the game longer so the positive of the trade off is far less relevant

Lots of people still use DS. It can still be effective. At worst it buys time. At best, it can facilitate an escape, combined with loops and/or bodyblocks. OTR into DS into DH is super strong. Tunneler's nightmare.

I think there are 2 big reasons that tunneling is the current route to go. DS being shit, and the lack of incentives to hook other survivors. Scott I don't think you credit BBQ and Chili enough as a perk that incentivises going for other survivors. Other than the ultra giga sweat killers out there who usually didn't even run bbq, most killers would either go for the unhooker for stonks, or use the aura reveal to go stop people doing gens. The incentives of pop and BBQ made a big difference in persuading killers to go for other survivors. Without the incentives and the lack of ds usage anymore its so tempting to go for the person unhooked if you don't know what else to do.

Since the gen change waaaaaaaaaaaay more people run prove thyself

"Everyone expects to escape every game and everyone expects to get a 4k every game" That is SO true. I changed my mindset about that because in one of your videos you mentioned "If a game is balanced you should win around 60% of your games" or something around those lines I thought, well it's true. I'm not supposed to be winning 100% of my games, I shouldn't tilt because everyone escaped, I should be having fun however I can

Maybe it's because killer isn't harder, but it's WAY more stressful now. Maybe tunneling if successful helps alleviate some of that stress? Everyone talks about killer being easier... so why do I enjoy solo survivor more? Even before the survivor info update I found it less stressful and more fun. For a small amount of time after the meta change I found killer more fun, before the current meta was established. It's harder on killer to not focus on "winning" (Killing Survivors) than it is for survivor (escaping). And I also say matches are more often too won sided. As killer I find more often I stomp or get stomped on, with a rare in between. At least as survivor if I feel we aren't winning, I feel more comfortable either focusing on my challenges or just trying to do enough to get a high amount of bloodpoints. I hope I made sense. I'm just spitballing an idea from my own experience.

So ironic for BHVR to claim that they wish to stop tunneling and camping, while also destroying one of the best and healthiest anti-tunnel perks in the game. So gross. I attempted to use DS for a recent Rift challenge to keep myself alive so that I could escape with Vittorio, and not in five seconds was I immediately knocked down again and removed from the game for the first few minutes of it. Literal complete waste of a perk slot. Off the Record is no competition to what DS used to be. If a killer really wanted to tunnel, they'd knock your OtR out of your hands immediately upon being unhooked, yet everyone shaped it up to be an op perk when it first came out. It does absolutely nothing but make you even more appealing to the killer to tunnel out.

Yeah, I was 100% the kind of guy that was more interested in my BBQ stacks than winning. Without it I don't really feel a need to spread the love, and I'll just kinda go after whoever's convenient. MYC was kind of a way to determine next on the chopping block for my BBQ if I hadn't gotten in chase yet, and without a reason to use one I never use the other.

I 100% agree, thanks Scott. The nerf to ds is the main cause. And eruption, call of brine makes 3v1 impossible. There is no longer any incentive for people to not tunnel. Getting the first guy out is the easiest way to win, especially with the new meta. ETA: agreed on ds, it's trash now. The stun is only the length of the animation now and you get immediately downed. Useless.

Back in my days every killer knew that they are going to be stabbed 3/4 times per trial without even tunneling or getting a single hook stage. How people were loosing as survivors with all the ridiculous map designs, shit tons of pallets, killer slugishness... it's beyond me xD

Anecdotal, but even as survivor, I almost never see people run hyper, and when they do, it's a Kate and she hides in the corner.

Late comment but around 4:27 you express doubt that BBQ & Chili was used more for Bloodpoints than it was for victory. And I get that, the more invested players definitely used it when appropriate but as someone who back then still needed a lot of Bloodpoints (and returning to the game almost 6 years later needs a lot more) I was always running it for the bonus Bloodpoints. Back in 2017-2018 before I stopped playing, I was adamant that We're Gonna Live Forever was the best survivor perk and that BBQ & Chili was the best killer perk simply to help you unlock more perks for all your characters on either side. It was a bit of a meme I ran with but I also was serious that getting 50-100% more BP every game was increasingly more valuable the less time you had in the game. I did also fairly mention that gameplay wise it wasn't optimal (well BBQ definitely could be) but it'd help you progress faster. I know it's anecdotal but I was a genuine advocate for using it early. I even joked about how they nerfed David's best perk when I finally reinstalled this game and someone was like yeah Dead Hard is a bit different and I joked, "Who cares about Dead Hard? Where's my bloodpoints? I got new perks to unlock." I have a feeling some other players who wanted to "finish" the grind of teachables and having every perk at 3 also felt this way, no way for me to really know how common that actually was though. Most people cared about having a satisfying game, which I do too, but dangit "number go up." Anyway, love your videos and streams throughout the years though I rarely say anything lol. You're one of the best!

The main reason why tunneling is more viable nowadays, because gens take longer to repair. Decicive strike is a minor influence. It just makes a whole difference when back then 3 gens took around 4 minutes for a single survivor to do and now its like 7 minutes. And then obviously the combo eruption and call of brine make it impossible to manage to repair 3 gens in over 10 minutes, because unless the killer totally sucks in chases they will get value out of tunneling and kicking gens.

BBQ part "oh it promotes hunting all 4 survivors" sure thing Otzzz OH yes killers so sweaty for BP. Killed 2, slug the 3rd to get 4th one so he can hook em and drag on the game of 4th survivor to be found. Camping has become more proxy camping, like Wesker / Knights.

A lot of very good points as always. I think that the one point in particular about people simply playing in the "laziest" way possible to win because they don't want to put the work in is interesting. In other games I play, primarily fighting games, that kind of tactic is extremely common at low levels, you learn one "cheap" trick and attempt to exploit the other player's lack of knowledge/skill to earn a quick win, however in those games they would be barred from continuing higher due to SBMM. Tunnelling, however, due to the game's design lacks the counterplay needed for it to not just be a "cheap" trick, now that DS is pretty insubstantial. I think due to the relative difficulty of imposing SBMM on DBD leads to this disparity where you have a group of players that prioritize their own temporary fun over cultivating any long term skill, which is a fair decision but it comes at the cost of 4 other player's fun. You can't really blame them, but it's sad to see a lack of sportmanship from them.

i have had groups that do 2 1/2 gens THROUGH corrupt intervention, the only reason its a good perk is the killers choice what to do during that time, for example injuring multiple people and checking the unexposed gens possibly applying eruption etc

On the subject of the strength behind being able to just win a chase. Have you seen Rts’ video about the Bill he lost like 7 times in 1 game?

The thing with lucky break, is that u can still hear the grunts. So killer that lose them would be dumb imo.

I will always remember a game that happened shortly after the last DS nerf. A Nea DS'd me at shack (fully healed, so didn't even know I tunneled + got Starstrucked). After the drop she teabagged a short bit, and that was just enough for me to still hit her at a window. The one time someone could have had DS value, but they just had to BM.

This was great to listen too whilst driving at work. Thanks for the entertainment scott

On the topic of "what's changed" in terms of more survivors bringing the really strong items. There are significant amounts of accounts for sale on epic store that have been save glitched/hacked to have 1k of every item and addon (I know someone with one)

Honestly, I always wanted 4 stacks of BBQ more than a win

Scott trying to be right 24/7 is so funny to me 😂💀

How does he not understand that the point of STBFL is to enable you to quickly down the guy you tunnel so you can chuck them back on the scourge hook?