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Why Narcissist Happy, Depressed, Remorseful? Plus Boredom 

Prof. Sam Vaknin
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The narcissist is happy AND depressed at the same time! (affective ambivalence). He regrets things he had done and choices he had made - but shouldn't have!
Summary of boredom (without nothingness philosophy)
In many personality disorders, approach-avoidance behaviors, repetition compulsions, identity disturbance, and alternating self-states create affective ambivalence: two concurrently experienced moods or affects which contradict each other and are, usually, mutually exclusive.
The avoidant and the schizoid narcissist, for example, endure simultaneous dissonant ego-syntonic happiness, gratification, and satisfaction and ego-dystonic depression and regret, mainly at the costs of the contentment (“happiness”) attained.
These costs include: social (schizoid), emotional (dysregulation), psychosexual (immaturity and relationship failures), and impairment of reality testing and cognition (delusions, grandiosity, other deficits).
Regret makes sense only if there is personal continuity, immutable core identity. Person A can regret having acted in a certain way or having chosen inaction over action only if he has remained largely Person A.
But in identity disturbance, common in many personality disorders and other mental illnesses, self-states are far apart and transformations over time are startling: Person A effectively becomes an almost unrelated Person B. There is no constancy of traits, behaviors, values, or any other parameter of identity.
It makes no sense for Person B to regret the behaviors, choices, and decisions of Person A, although, of course, he can disagree with them and criticize or deride Person A.
Person B can, however, regret not having coalesced and emerged earlier: having allowed Person A to control all the resources hitherto. It is akin to resenting our mortality for limiting the number of possible experiences.
Moreover: Person B could not have emerged and taken over earlier - or he would have. Pseudoidentities are suboptimal, but they are ego syntonic narrative strategies asymptotic to the optimum. They are, therefore, mutually exclusive.
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@kendralyncornish9367
@kendralyncornish9367 3 года назад
I remember when I was worried about something the narcisst said "you just need to be cold and not worry about it" at that point I said "when I am that way you don't like it". The narcisst looked at me and said " when I see you that way you remind me of me..Cold and empty inside". It was the most honest and truth telling moment that I have ever had with the Narcisst. They tell on themselves without even realizing it.
@lynnscott4882
@lynnscott4882 3 года назад
WOW.
@pams6763
@pams6763 2 года назад
That's so interesting. I remember being told he learned through all his past traumas that "it really doesn't matter" which baffled me. Still I don't get it. But that reminds me somewhat of what you were told.
@helyahatefi3726
@helyahatefi3726 2 года назад
i had a similar situation, it’s horrible and relieving also.
@sandramadrigal6320
@sandramadrigal6320 3 года назад
I remember being confused by the narcissist I was with not being able to stop and smell the roses. He just could not be one minute without doing something to keep himself from being bored and wouldn't even visit me often because "my house has boring", I have no TV no expensive things he would say it was like going to his grandma's house so other than coming to have his way with my body he would just get bored and couldn't handle it.
@kubasniak
@kubasniak 3 года назад
You would be my type of a woman then. More time for genuine talk and doing things together.
@willm8786
@willm8786 2 года назад
Any more, having no television is most likely a blessing.
@smilersmiling
@smilersmiling 3 года назад
What a very unfortunate paradox … A BPD is only happy with an intimate partner, but the price the borderline pays for this is emotional dysregulation, which leads to onset of the fear of abandonment and ultimately the end of the relationship. A borderline is simultaneously happy and unhappy!!
@Blonde111
@Blonde111 Год назад
As my mom used to say about my ex narc…. “You can never ever tell what he’s thinking”
@noneya3338
@noneya3338 3 года назад
Beautifully said and on point with my experiences, having watched three generations of narcissists in my family, and caught in their dysfunctional communication patterns, witnessing the strong genetic component in their personality structures. I'm from the other side of the genes in a blended family so I escaped this fate with luck, now in recovery from their abuse and still working to fully understand how insidious it was. The sadness is that our narc family members have appealed to their own jealousy and insecurities, and taught their own children to detach from their own families in that Schizoid style you describe. It became the worst case scenario, leaving destruction in their wake with regard to those family relationships. Thank you for your wisdom, again!
@mostthegames3723
@mostthegames3723 3 года назад
Awesome
@noneya3338
@noneya3338 3 года назад
@Hoosier Girl my narc 'step'bro died unexpectedly last summer. If not for his oldest son informing me, nobody bothered letting me know, and still even now, no one called me but him. They're people in my own family I came to dislike for their superficiality and betrayals to other family members besides me, for their own selfish pursuits, so insecure within themselves that they lied so obviously to outsiders that the stories don't match the old photos. Deteriorated mental health as years passed is what I saw. Because they live in an alternate reality now they blame me for illuminating their inconsistencies and lies, which caused me to see how they manage themselves (poorly and immaturely). I helped them see their truths, and they're too immature to take responsibility for themselves, so malicious gossip has them flapping their jaws to each other using their best judgment to manage their own unresolved family emotions. They wanted to show me how they can exclude me from family functioning, to showcase their spiteful feelings. Many years of no contact later I am certain about why they're not worthy of having lunch with. In their old ages they are pathetic, selfish, shallow; the younger generation, one is a mini of the elder who passed, the other who has a fighting chance to improve his own outcome as a man in his 30s. My bro left them lots of money, and projected his family insecurities and misogyny onto in his own sons in their 30s as one more generation becomes anxious and insecure, detached and distrusting simply because his daddy told him to.
@varunrenjen8714
@varunrenjen8714 Год назад
Thank you Sam. You've unraveled my bundled and confused mind. Deeply appreciated. You excel yourself with every new talk. Hats off!
@dknstrkt
@dknstrkt 3 года назад
Magnificent, thank you! The Isotopes of Boredom -- A self defeating anti-strategy: Willful control breaks down, manifesting suppression and denial, which then collapses into fantasy and escapism and ultimately degrading into meaningless distraction. Rinse and repeat or learn to enjoy the silence.
@sagejordan9500
@sagejordan9500 2 года назад
They are unhappy because they are living in fear
@Mahealani_
@Mahealani_ 3 года назад
Insightful...I’m guilty of not fully letting myself be bored. I will make more of a conscious decision to be bored
@sleeep4960
@sleeep4960 3 года назад
Masochist covert narc, "survivor" of heavy narcissistic abuse here. Starting to think I binge your videos to punish myself and further convince myself of how horrible I am and that there really is no solution to being a narc. You have decades of work and you have millions of pins nailing me to a wall. It seems all action or inaction, good or bad, that I could take is subconsciously feeding some evil dark void in me and it is a sublime object that can't be avoided. It feels like everything about me that people like or that I enjoy, even just hiking by myself is a secret ploy to gain supply, eating is narcissistic, not committing suicide is narcissistic. My desire to have friends or a significant other and to be a good person back to them is narcissistic. Being nice to people is narcissistic. My desire to not be a narcissist is narcissistic. Your cold therapy doesn't sound like it would work either since it seems like simulated abuse, that would just be normal and seems like it would just reinforce the self hatred. Not sure what I'm supposed to do with my life except to avoid as much human contact as possible so I don't hurt them, which is pretty much what I have been doing for years. And even that is narcissistic in its own way but at least less people's lives will be ruined.
@sleeep4960
@sleeep4960 3 года назад
I understand mortification is the goal and to kill the narcissistic self. But there is nothing on developing a true self. Should I not go hiking anymore? Should I not enjoy mexican food? If every waking instant of my life is a ploy to gain supply, there is nothing for a true self to do that wasn't narcissistic before this mortification process. Am I missing some nuance here? Do you have anything on developing a true self or what that even is? How do you tell what is a true self and what is fabricated for narcissistic self defense? How do you know the difference, how do you decide whether or not eating this bagel is narcissistic? How can you trust yourself to be the arbiter of what is and is not narcissistic? How can you trust other people's opinions of your behavior if you could have just unconsciously covertly manipulated them? People don't like me, people aren't friends with me, people don't love me, I've just been manipulating them from day one. I'm not actually good at anything I've just convinced people I am. And I guess I'm supposed to accept narcissistic traits in neurotypicals because it doesn't cause them distress or something? I'm supposed to view my entire existence as being a supply addict, but the same behaviors in the general population are fine. Every single person I talk to about this stuff and my narcissism tells me I'm insane, and that I'm just too hard on myself. All the therapists just say I'm too hard on myself. Everyone I work with enjoys working with me and we don't have any fights. My friends are always trying to get me to come out of my box again because they actually enjoy having me around, I have no conflicts with them. I have ended dozens of potential relationships prematurely with nothing actually bad happening. I told them that in some way I am abusing them and that they wouldn't know it, and all of them just say I'm being to hard on myself. When someone grills me and says to provide an example of how I ruined their life, I come up with half truths and ridiculous stretches of logic to find a way that it was my fault- whether or not anything bad even happened. If the only person who ever clocked me as a narcissistic was my narcissistic father and everyone else has said I'm just paranoid, depressed or obsessive, I don't know what am I supposed to do with that? Ignore it?
@ayeelaura
@ayeelaura Год назад
@@sleeep4960 I would at least start working on remapping my development years in terms of where you noticed you were different/manipulative etc and what made you feel good about deceiving people? To hurt them or to cover your shame? Hmmm being a survivor of narc abuse it's hard to get any sense of meaning of life or stability when you are like an avatar. Try saving for therapy too. I do often wonder what will become of all these narcs ppl have run from :/
@yadiggems
@yadiggems 8 месяцев назад
This is how I feel everyday. I have isolated myself so I don’t ruin people’s lives.
@agapanthus1242
@agapanthus1242 6 месяцев назад
I encourage you to read the Quran.
@notdeadjustyet8136
@notdeadjustyet8136 3 года назад
I find that what actually terrifies people about boredom is thinking/wondering. digging and diving into our own hidden corners is ominously painful & dangerous, even threatening, to our oldest beliefs&learned behaviours . we prefer to self sedate & accept certain values as dogmatic(the so called meaning), allowing society & "the figures of authority" to train, (re)shape & fold us,until we become yet another dried flower in their endless storage, full of drained, essence-less flowers, that are,in essence, so alike now. The (once)rose nearly identical to the (one time) violet, both in line. Although , the societies & systems themselves have always feared boredom, as well, precisely because humans tend to wonder, explore, create, even learn?! 🙄😁, and take similar subversive actions in their spare time, hence becoming much less obedient, and much more difficult to manipulate. As a friend of mine once put it:"most people only want warm showers and cold beers." (bread & games). "the most advanced form of slavery is pleasurable slavery" - Brave New World, A. Huxley So, I reckon we're fucked, as species,and it's possibly always been like that🤔😳👀😬🤯 All those space rockets🚀are in vain. Not evolved yet.
@camfrancisco
@camfrancisco 2 месяца назад
Rewatching this one today. So expansive this video. 👏
@kubasniak
@kubasniak 3 года назад
I can relate to many of those symptoms. My covert narcissistic, controlling, spoiling mother was a major cause of triggering that in me out of her own insecurities, deficiencies and dysfunctional family.
@pamelamuench4900
@pamelamuench4900 2 года назад
Thanks for not only your great sense of humor but astute insight.
@lynnscott4882
@lynnscott4882 3 года назад
Yes, it's like my self-states know each other. But I change from one to another, contextually driven. I look back at my life and would have changed pretty much all of it, but there's too much to regret, so I can't. It would be too much to bear. I look at it as that other person, and that other life. Unfortunately, Person A keeps tagging along. Borderline here. I know this, thanks to you, Sam Vaknin.
@user-yup-you-are-human2
@user-yup-you-are-human2 4 месяца назад
@4:00 thank you for explaining. It reminded me of a feeling of powerlessness almost - in trying to understand the breakdown.
@camfrancisco
@camfrancisco Год назад
Excellent video Sam!
@heck4984
@heck4984 2 года назад
This was a very helpful video. Keep 'em coming!!!
@2000nc
@2000nc 2 года назад
incredible analysis thank you!!!!
@vincentwilliams8685
@vincentwilliams8685 Год назад
My heart breaks for these people 😢 i literally cry knowing what they have to do to be accepted.
@gailmellem9751
@gailmellem9751 Год назад
Wow Prof very interesting. Learning loads and powerful as usual. Thank you.
@ayeelaura
@ayeelaura Год назад
Thank you once again for your insights Dr. Even years after going through this charade with my ex narc I still have resounding questions on so much of his behaviour. I noticed that he would go into a Messiah like complex before going into isolation ..hmph. And BPD wise Amy Winehouse I believe had been diagnosed with it during a private counselling session but refused to accept it. I've often thought she probably fits the when you describe from 13:30 her being only happy when with a partner/regulating needs/total self obliteration. In many of the things even her own parents and friends said was that she took on every characteristic of her husband including his drug habit and the way she walked etc. Cheating was part of all her relationships as well. Makes So much sense. As a fan of hers you gave a great insight.
@dtejada4209
@dtejada4209 Год назад
“There’s no glue.” Wow. This explains the madness i experience when trying to understand the puzzle pieces that make up the narcissist in my life. The pieces feel as if they whirl around me like a twister. Can’t see the whole, the complete person no matter how hard I squint. Still walk away with my eyes filled with debris and able to see even less than the last time.
@evleanne5466
@evleanne5466 3 года назад
Sam, I listened to the majority of the videos that you recently posted. A while back, I believe that you stated that narcissism is the most severe form of codependency. However, in one of these more recent videos, you stated that the narcissist is not a codependent. Would you clarify / elaborate?
@samvaknin
@samvaknin 3 года назад
Watch my most recent video about codependency as a state of mind. The narcissist is an ADDICT and addictive behaviors imitate codependency.
@lynnstrathdee1948
@lynnstrathdee1948 3 года назад
@Sam Vaknin, I imagine the self state discontinuity of a narcissist as similar to the cartoon drawings of the early days where each 2D image is laid on top of another and by flicking through the sheets of paper you see the image move. There is no actual link between the sheets of paper, and each image looks like the character depicted, but they are always only 2D images. A trick of the mind/eye makes them appear to be 3D, but it isn’t. Would you agree?
@mouhammedmisselmany9424
@mouhammedmisselmany9424 Год назад
yes
@noops9
@noops9 3 года назад
I would love to know what happens to a person who is "normal", works themselves to mental exhaustion, and then going through divorce resulting in Person B emerging.
@hiddenlore-astrologija418
@hiddenlore-astrologija418 Год назад
After listening to this I'm not really sure you i am any more 🤔😂😂😂🙈
@mrsbabe2109
@mrsbabe2109 2 года назад
Does ones internal self talk reflect their different selves?
@l.s.3705
@l.s.3705 3 года назад
Is the person in “the drama of a gifted child” a skitzoid narcissist or borderline? Or does it depend on the person and personality which type of narcissist or borderline they become? How can I find a good counselor? I feel like “the drama of the gifted child” was written about me.
@samvaknin
@samvaknin 3 года назад
She did not single out any specific personality disorder.
@divineartofmusic1
@divineartofmusic1 2 года назад
Are narcisists split personality? Is this their confirm of disconection if their emotions....
@DBenson59
@DBenson59 3 года назад
Could you address schizophrenia - particularly negative symptoms.
@samvaknin
@samvaknin 3 года назад
Not my area of expertise.
@MrsOctober-kc5de
@MrsOctober-kc5de 3 года назад
@@samvaknin How does the the narcissist regret not having love, intimacy etc. When they can't feel those feelings. Also, I thought you said that all narcissist were schizoids?
@mino7166
@mino7166 3 года назад
if boredom motivates us to act and boredom is healthy and we should seek boredom, and action is one of the defenses, should we not act? never act? or if action inspired by boredom authentic?
@samvaknin
@samvaknin 3 года назад
If the only reason you are acting is to avoid boredom, it is inauthentic action best avoided.
@ninaschust3694
@ninaschust3694 2 года назад
Oscillerating rapidly.
@drealexatos3459
@drealexatos3459 9 месяцев назад
Person B could have emerged and in this case, did; what it took was a chance.
@candycamus
@candycamus 3 года назад
Same where is your boredom talk ? It was up last week. I cannot find anymore
@samvaknin
@samvaknin 3 года назад
In the playlists and my new channel on Nothingness.
@candycamus
@candycamus 3 года назад
@@samvaknin Thank youuuu!!!!
@itsmylaneful
@itsmylaneful 2 года назад
Your intros 😂😂😂
@AquaTofana.
@AquaTofana. Год назад
Dr vaknin.. after listening so much content of your fascinating work, i came to the conclusion that my ex is a covert narcissist, then one day after more of your videos where you speak abt behaviours that i indentified in myself i was thinking maybe i am a narcissist 😂 And as if this question with no answer was not annoying enough, i took the decission to watch more of your videos and find out once and for all, which of us was the narcissist. And i ended up more confused because now i am also thinking maybe both of us are or maybe none of us? Or maybe him, or maybe i am 😂😂😂 can you please give me an advice abt how i can find the answer. I'm so curios and this question drives me crazy. I wish i could tell
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