...Perfectly said. "The reason why nobody likes Woke Characters is because they're not written as people first, but as a checklist for idiots who only see people for their skin color or sexual identity." Perfectly said.
This is true. And I'm not going against anyone of their race or gender. A good story needs good writing, characters, and the layout of the world. Not just some marry-sue who think they are hotshit and powerful. That would be in Anime.
The majority of people, mostly straight people with white skin want to see more people of different skin colors and sexual orientations in their media. This is because they listen to minority groups who tell them they want to be represented more in the media, usually because their friends are in those groups. Media corporations then incorporate this into their media to comply with consumer demand. I can tell this is a right-winger channel but us leftists also think that corporate pandering is cringe - however it’s the only way under this capitalist system that politically powerless minorities can receive the representation straight white people have had for generations. Corporations have control over whether or not they do it *right* I.e not resorting to stereotypes in order to push the idea that you are “super inclusive!” But doing it in itself is not bad and essentially complaining about having people who look different from yourself in the media is not a good look unless all your friends and colleagues look like you too. Having progressive politics in corporate media? Cringe asf. Always doing it wrong. Always surface level BS to appease socially progressive libs to make them feel better about themselves. They always talk about how bad capitalism is, and how bad racism is, but don’t do anything to actually fight it - because it’s not in their best interest to do so, they only have to sell you that they are.
@@JerichoYeet yeah anime has become a lot more mainstream, our writers are starting to become like them which is kinda sad to see since they can’t match the animation so we are stuck with mid stories and mid art to go along with it.
I think sexual orientation is more of a focus than skin collar. If a character is black and nonbinary. It's the nonbinary part that's supposed to wow you. Atleast that's how i see it. I could be wrong about the skin color thing.
I wouldn't mind if it was across the board. But imagine the carnage if black panther was anything but *really* black no mixed fake nonsense. Or they made storm white 😂
Can I point out how back when the Kenobi show was released. Disney made a post saying don’t be racist. But where have all the alien creatures gone in Star Wars? Why only human characters?
Am i the only one who truly doesnt think color is that special? I honestly dont care about the romanticism and glamorization of race...i am interested in ideas, thoughts, integrity and philosophy...skin color seems so shallow and vain. When a whole characters only special card is their race it is so boring and it feels that it exists only to make you feel inferior ...its really weird.
This is precisely what they did to Wheel of Time. The women in the books were absolutely badass, but when these people say "strong women characters" they don't actually mean strong women. They mean a sort of childish, uncreative "girlz rule, boys drool" brand of feminism that appeals to absolutely nobody but a few haters.
The Wheel of Time is a bad example, a very bad one, the books itself is disgusting, painfully drawn out, with an insane number of unnecessary characters and plot lines, the author is simply a cosmic graphomaniac, so graphomaniac that he couldn’t even finish the books and died. The author had a very specific fetish for strong women, even in some kind of BDSM format, and fully realized it in the book; I’m actually surprised that they decided to film this piece of graphomania. I read all the books, just to never even return to this horror, I still feel bad about it.This work goes far beyond the discussion in the video. Projecting your fetishes and strange thoughts that lie far beyond the scope of good writing (the desire to create many characters, write a specific, most likely more number of books, give each and every one of these many characters dozens of storylines, describe everything in the smallest detail, although it is obvious that if you are not an artist, and you do not need to draw anything according to the description, all the descriptions will disappear from your head in about 10 minutes, becoming more compact, but the time for reading is wasted.) is something beyond the bounds good and evil, the worst version of the self-insert.
I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them
My experiences with bullying were quite different from what you described. For most of my life my motto has been enjoy it while it's good then nope out when things get controversial. PS: this only applies to entertainment not real life situations.
I was a normie, but I became a nerd over time and stayed like that and enjoyed being a nerd. But the smart thing to do was to stay under the radar of other normies.
I refer to it as the gentrification of geek/nerd culture. We usually gravitate toward these things because we were shunned and pushed out of the mainstream. Now that we've made these things popular they want to push us out and take it for themselves. And get mad at us because we don't like it
"I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them" Agreed, except that it isn't the normies who are doing that shit, but a bunch of mentally ill narcissists who think that nothing that doesn't pander to their ideology should have the right to exist.
@@SergioBocanegra I was looked down on and mocked growing up liking nerdy things. Then being older seeing those same people wearing the shirts, watching the same stuff, etc that they mocked me for makes it that much worse
Yeah fnafic writers gained experienced and by the power of being a fanfic so they don't have to follow the orders and line of thought of thw corporations + being able to skirt around canon, they startwd making better shit than the actual writers. Honestly sometimes I think that fanfic writers should be hired to make content of the media they love so much
Because todays writers were yesterdays fanfiction writers. Thats what a lot of these modern characters feel like, fanfiction characters created so the writer can interact directly with their favorite franchises.
I originally got into fanfiction to improve my writing skills, read some fun What If... scenarios and escape some bad mainstream media. But now, it's mostly to get from mainstream media!
My problem with woke characters is as follows: 1. The focus on their identity is not a replacement for a personality. A person's sexual preference or skin color is not and should not be a huge part of their personality. It is also naturally divisive as obsession over identity has been a huge problem for this species to overcome, especially in recent years. 2. They are often self inserts set to replace established characters. Self inserts, like you showed, can be good characters, but bringing one into an established franchise usually means that they attempt to steal the reigns and attention of that franchise.
The first point is also why people who make being gay their personality are so hated. Like please be more than the pride flag hung on your wall and get a hobby
@@RobynMarshall-wr7zr Congratulations! You just assumed multiple things about me based on a RU-vid pfp I haven’t changed in 8 years. Here’s a medal 🏅 Also to note on your other comment on this video about Wolverine and Xmen: The entire point of the video is that a character’s sexuality or skin color should only be a side detail and not their personality. Wolverine is a character with lots of trauma, flaws, character development, struggles and more. Look at the Logan movie for instance. This goes for other xmen as well, if you take out their sexuality or skin color there’s still a character there unlike the examples in the video. The entire point of the video is that there should be more characters that represent minorities but they should be actually good characters, and new characters instead of just retconing past characters half hazzardly.
To come so close to realizing the multic*lturalism and multir*cialism have done nothing but destroy society and then just default right back to "but muh escapism!", how sad.
Hate can be useful. We should have the courage to have the same hatred toward the people pushing this stuff as much as they do us, if not moreso. Just don't be consumed by it.
I still remember when the new trilogy of Star Wars showed Finn handling a Lightsaber and people were pretty in for that idea. Then they said that Finn was gonna be a Stormtrooper and people went absolutely nuts because we all thought that we are gonna get an incredible story of a Stormtrooper building his path into the Jedi warrior way. But then they throw us Rey. which ended up being really disappointing for all of us.
Exactly. There was a good story there with an original story line. But nope. Disney has to promote ALL Female characters to the top. It's still happening even today.
Yeah, I was so damn disappointed. A friend of mine happens to be black and me and him quit a rather controversial group that preached of equality, justice for colored people, justice for women, and we were essentially stormtroopers then. Brainwashed and believed in a cause we didn't understand but it must have been right. Then we realized the wrong we were doing and left. Then again, that happened way after in like the 2020. But that would have been so amazing and hit close to home for me even back in the day where I was all confused in my life. Biggest disappointment ever. But it had potential but, a stormtrooper to Jedi would have been awesome.
No mention of Ashoka? She was a character people didn't like when she was introduced as Anakim's Padawan... But she is now a fan favorite for many, because her story is good, she evolved... She actually became her own character and not just the slap on.
@@1hpredkingtower432 Well, my reasons will probably be disagreed with heavily; since you ask I just find her to be very underwhelming to the SW universe- sure, she’s got a huge pivotal role concerning Anakin and his change overtime, but to me I always felt that was really her only role in the universe was to serve as a catalyst for Anakin’s change into Darth Vader. I don’t BELIEVE she’s the prime reason he changed but she had some hand in it. With that said, I always felt that there were much better and more important characters that could carry the legacy of what she was given during Clone Wars and so on. I just think she’s been so popularized because of the cartoon show that it made no room for the creators to expand on the roster of Jedi’s and Padiwans. I don’t have anything against her character itself, but more of her significance to the universe; she technically has been around since the rise of the empire back then, but she’s not the only one, and she’s most definitely not one of the strongest characters to endure it. It’s more of a dichotomy issue I have with her than it is her character itself. She’s definitely super cool, has really unique traits in combat and is quite an awesome Jedi all-around but she gets all of this praise and gloat that it’s as if no one wants to give another character some time to shine in the universe. Her obtaining her own show as well as appearing in other shows and film, just reeks of forced fan-fiction than what more there could be added to the universe. I mean think about heroes that are in novels and comics, but never get a chance to appear in media because they just were never popular or characterized enough? She shows up in Clone Wars and all of the sudden, she’s cannon and now has a huge following.
One of my biggest issues with the disney trilogy of star wars films was how they hyped the ex stormtrooper dude up as an equal protagonist if not more so to rey with her being a side kick or coprotagoinist just to shove him to the side lines for most of the next 2 films
Finn was awesome in Force awakens, then they just put him through some lame subplots in the following movies. Last jedi even blue balled everyone with the absolute nothing that was the Captain Phasma showdown, that should have been Finn shedding off the last remnants of trauma and loss of identity being conscripted as a Storm Trooper would do and besting the the penultimate Stormtrooper proving that by becoming more than just a number he has become not only stronger but a better person, that could have been such a strong scene. A 1 minute fight scene some explosions and phasma looking a little worried and just dies then onto Hoth... I mean red salt planet.
I don’t mean to an ass but the reason is pretty blatant,China is a very racist country so most of Finn’s scenes were set up in a way that they could be very easily edited out without much effort so the film could be aired there luckily this has seeming bit Disney in the ass because most of disneys films are banned in China
not to mention that in China the character was made smaller on posters and generally given less attention which basically goes against what they were preaching in the first place because 'chinese-money go cha-ching'
Wanna hear something horrible! So you know the whole “star fire child” thing was originally a fan fiction. It was supported by the fans and had small little comic strips that everyone loved. Then the creator of the “I am not star fire” (forgot the name of the author), threatened to sue the fan fiction artist and had almost every fan fiction depicting the child of star fire copy right striked and taken down. She literally for several months went on a campaign of trying to remove all fan fiction so no one could talk bad about her comic even though it sucked
Not gonna lie, I wanted Fin to be the main character. He just felt more believable. Even in the original trailers for the new set. It felt like he was supposed to be the one to become a jedi. Maybe I'm just remembering the commercials incorrectly.
@@joel2749 he certainly would have but unfortunately white people hate seeing minorities especially black people in prominent roles and the majority of the star wars fandom is white so Disney knew that making finn the protagonist would be a bad idea doesn't matter how well a black character is written white people will still hate him anyway unless he is written to be some idiotic comedic relief
The first time Rey used the force in FW, that would not have been a bad scene had she wondered what the hell she just did or questioned how that even happened. Right there you have her exploring her potential and asking questions. That could have been a great way to develop her character as she worked her way out of the First Order prison. But no, she is just "force aware" and automatically knows how to use it.
I'd say it would still be bad just because of what power she used. The mind trick is, from what I've heard and read, a master level force ability that takes ages of training to learn how to use. It would have worked better if she just used the force to pull the lever that released her restraints, have it so an alarm went off or otherwise something loud happened to distract the guard so he didn't hear the restraints unlocking, then Rey could have snuck up on him and taken him out.
Hell could have made it so her force abilities failed at a critical moment due to her inexperience and lack of understanding against a trained force warrior
The very worst thing about Luke trying to kill his nephew is that he failed. The strongest jedi in the history of ever failed to kill a sleeping child. Okay sure, Disney.
Nah dude that's definitely not it, it's the fact that he would have even considered doing that in the 1st place because he thought there was a *chance* that his nephew would turn to the dark side. That completely goes against the type of character that we know Luke to be.
@@jordanfelt5978 They could have easily put in some reasoning that he was being subtly manipulated for years, and all it led to was a literal singular moment of weakness. Luke isn't even immune to the Dark Side in the comics - post Episode 6, mind you - and it HAS screwed with him. People keep saying that he's incorruptibly pure, when the comics show that - while he IS largely, overwhelmingly pure - he is NOT immune to darker emotions. He's not perfect, he's human.
@@Kashlikaro ooookay...? I didn't say and was not implying that I thought he was perfect or something like that. I was just pointing out the obvious.....that Luke clearly shows true wisdom in the original trilogy where he's the kind of person who would clearly think through a situation before just assassinating his nephew because he had one bad dream. Like, I don't know if you're trying to defend the sequel trilogy or something? But simply based on your response it seems like you somehow completely misinterpreted what I was saying, my dude.
The story of Gina Carano, Cara Dune pisses me off so much. They had a successful diverse female in their space show, fans could see her carrying her own show, yet she deviated from "the message" by one sentence, and now she is banished to the void.
I don’t remember the exact words, I’m paraphrasing here, but it was along the lines of : being politically right leaning feels like being a Jew during the Holocaust.
@@Paronak What she actually said/posted basically was she compared some of the behaviour of how conservatives are treated by the extreme left to how the Nazi's treated the Jews before killing them. And in my opinion she wasint entirely wrong.
The basic difference between Luke and Rey is that Luke was a nobody, he didn't have any special abilities and didn't even know about the force. He had to learn, he had to train to become a Jedi. On the other hand, Rey was already kind of like this person who was able to do everything out of intuition, able to keep up with Ben Solo in a sword fight with no training. She intuitively learned how to heal and revive people using the force - a power that not even Yoda ever used. She became a superpowered character just because. Like Disney believes that a compelling character is someone who already has all these powers and is so perfect. No, compelling charachters really go through a growth process. They are people you can identify with, because they are a nobody like you and they become that special someone. That is why Luke is way better than Rey
@@carlosdanger5466 Sure, he didn't traun for very long, but he made up for lack of training with in-field experience. Hell, the entire second movie was about him rushing to fight and save everyone even though he wasn't ready because he wanted to save his friends, and wound up losing his hand and almost dying. He had to try and fail, Rey literally beat kylo the first time she picked up a freaking lightsaber. She is the epitiome of a mary sue
@@danielniemeyer1987 Sure, but untrained talent will be beaten by skill and experince. That's exactly what happened to anakin. He was born to the force and yet he lost to obi wan because he got cocky. Anakin wasn't a mary sue because, even though he had termendous power, he was FAR from perfect and lost fights due to his impulsiveness. But rey, on the other hand, picks up a lightsaber for the first time and beats a highly trained and skilled fighter easily. She is the ultimate Mary Sue
@@ectsy he not smoking anything he is just too busy drinking the woke kool-aid he might actually say something cool if he was smoking some of that good shit
The simple answer is that people just want superheroes and secondarily relatable ones. We don’t care if it’s a guy, a girl, a black person, or a gay person, we just want interesting characters. The issue with these characters is that their entire character is hyper fixated upon their sexuality or race. Again, we do not care for that and we just want relatable characters. Hopefully these big corporations actually listen to their fanbase though, sorry for the rant
The silence that Kathleen Kennedy got when she went on stage was hilarious. It’s about as quiet as the packed theater was after the Last Jedi. Great job Disney for turning a billion into a million dollar franchise!
I have no idea how that woman keeps failing upwards and what blackmail she has on who. Did she stumble on a vault of Epstein Island videos or something? lol
Star Wars is massively successful. Wtf are you talking about? Right now is probably the best era since the original trilogy in terms of games, tv shows, etc.
@@hihihi1q23 hahaha, no. More like the most over saturated and over pushed, it's been a downhill cliff of diminishing returns financially since the Last Jedi turd and the subsequent poorly reviewed and performing follow ups. It's no longer a cultural juggernaut that it once was. Nobody can quite the new movies, other than in an ironic meta way. There have been failed projects, something that Star Wars never output before. It's a shell of it's former self, creatively and commercially, and is beyond redemption for many fans.
Woke "characters" aren't characters, they are just convenient for immature writers. Just compare Mulan from the 90s animated version against the Disney's live action. The animated one recognized her flaw was not being as physically strong as the men that surrounded her, she was about to give up due to not being able to compete, but what did she do? She used her most human trait to overcome the odds: her intelligence and ability to adapt in creative ways to the problems ahead. She had to be smart and find new ways to achieve what others could through sheer force, and that allowed her to perceive things in a different manner. Now we have the new Mulan, she has superpowers, she easily overpowers everyone else, her only struggle is that she wasn't as confident, but no one is even a challenge to her superpowers, she could easily solo the final boss, what did she learn? Not much, just that she was already capable and struggling is for those who aren't naturally gifted. The animated one represented what it is like to be human, the second one represented what an edgy teenager thinks a good character is: non-emotional, cold, OP, and unfazed by the situation.
Arcane: League of Legends is another good example of having a diverse cast while not making their progressive features their focal points. You had masculine women, gay men the whole nine yards and yet almost every character was well thought out and personable. Their individual strengths and hardships and general character development made the show one of my favorite animated shows ever.
Oh boy I have gotten so much hate for defending the diversity in Arcane and other inclusive caracteres that I think are well made (like the Wildstorm versións of Pollo and Midnighter and Doctor Aphra) from suposed "woke" People that say that Im a biggot for liking them and not other like Rey. Is amazing, that People dont want real representation, Just want a bunch of "diverse" caracteres standing there and ruinning histories for no particular reason
The worst part is when people call you a racist/homophobe when you point all of this out. I’m a latino who lived in 4 different countries and 2 different continents in the last 6 years. I made all kinds of friends, met dozens of people, and shared apartments with people from different ethnicities and sexual orientations. These people are now considered my friends (some are really close friends, others are people you are friends with for a while and then just sort of keep in touch). But of dozens of friends and acquaintances I’ve made in all of these places, I met one person who is trans, two people who are gay, and one who is bisexual. It is just completely unrealistic for EVERYONE to be gay and no one to be white! And it would be a lot more tolerable if the characters where any good. Even as a latino I’m tired of all the crappy latino characters that just keep popping up to be instantly forgotten…
@@federicoarmando8359 I should have been more clear. My main point is, as of right now, the vast majority of TV and Film is still dominated by a white and straight cast of characters with people of color or LGBT characters making up a much smaller fraction of that and often having less important roles in the story of the film. Black Panther is the only modern Blockbuster I can think of that was an exception. It had a predominantly black cast, and I hardly noticed or cared because I thought the plot and characters were actually well-written. That's why I don't think the problem is with the amount of representation, but the poor quality of it. Either the characters are deliberately thrown in as an act of tokenism to be taken out of international releases (i.e. Pixar's Lightyear) or the characters end up poorly written which is detrimental for everyone.
Ok ignorant question here but dose latino refer to people of latin American origin (South America) and dose that include people of Mexico? If my phrasing/question is disrespectful I’m sorry I’m simply curious
The most wild thing in my generation was going from the 90's and 2000's timeline of "everyone should be treated equally based on their individual behavior" to 2010's "everyone should be treated based on their needs like their income, background, and upbringing" to 2020's "Everyone should be treated only based on bullshit irrelevant self-identifying factors like race and gender".
Nothing really changed, there has always been a treatment based on gender and race, the only thing different from these years is that those who were discriminated against in previous years now discriminate against those who did.
They also changed using the Force from a mystical ability developed through devotion to a lifetime of discipline and effort to a mutant superpower that one just has. It essentially undermines a fundamental feature of the Star Wars Universe/Mythos
Yeah. Even Luke didn't have an awareness of his Force potential as a teenager in Episode 4, while Anakin as a child in Episode 1 was shown to have amazing reflexes and reaction time thanks to his small understanding of the Force, even without training. But it was training that further awoke their abilities.
To be fair, there are a lot of characters who actually was born to wield the Force. I mean why do you think the Jedi and Sith were able to take in children? Because it's also a mutation.
we as fans should decide that NOTHING disney has put out is cannon in the star wars universe. like.. publicly, at star wars conventions.. openly and proudly say, their stories are trash and regardless of w/e right... we the fans decide what is cannon.
@@zaberfang True, but usually it's more of a "they have a natural affinity for it" sense, instead of a "this kid's able to crush and levitate rocks whenever they feel like it" sense. I mean sure, extra strong affinities + super strong emotions can sometimes lead to dramatic accidents, but the whole point is that it takes dedication and training to actually harness it in a controlled manner. Hell, it's not even possible to use certain techniques like force lightning on accident, as it takes not just tons of hate, but having it be concentrated and focused in an incredibly specific way.
You can do the good way the Stephen king way, where his main characters are writers, that's a good self insert. Or junji ito who makes a lot of his mains look kinda like him but having their characteristics
Disney had the potential to make Finn the best Jedi protagonist. A stormtrooper that realized what he was actually doing, starts to turn to another path when he starts to truly awaken his force powers. As his powers awaken, he feels remorse for everything he did while holding what is essentially the greatest power in the universe and that causes a storm of doubt that screws with his powers or starts to shift him to a grey Jedi. Once he meets Luke, trains in the force, and finds shit out from the Order, he slowly goes from demonizing himself and hating himself to realizing who he has to become and accepting everything that happens or something like that (I'm not a writer). Finn had so much potential to be a top-tier Star Wars protagonist. Same with Kylo Ren, but mostly because Kylo looked dope.
See, that's the thing with so many of these productions, they almost always start out with amazing concepts or starting points that could be built upon to make fantastic stories, until executives, investors, activist advisors, etc etc start changing things up to check boxes or fulfill some egomaniac's power fantasy, which inevitably screws the entire project over.
Would have been cool but he’s black and that would never have sold in the Chinese market Disney so desperately wanted to pander too. That’s why Finn is like 70% smaller on the Chinese version of the movie poster
I saw this fantastic short clip where this psychologist did a study Legos and why it was that boys loved and played with Legos yet the company couldn't get girls into their Legos at all. It apparently all came down to the difference between how boys a girls immerse themselves into their beloved characters. For boys, when they immerse themselves into a character like Batman, they imagine themselves as Batman. But for girls, when they immerse themselves into a character like Barbie, they imagine that Barbie is them. I think this goes a really long way into explaining why it is that we're seeing so many self-inserts by female intersectional feminist writers.
@@zeehero7280 young children stuff is still telling of adult stuff. You don’t completely change who you are as a person just by growing up. Somebody outgoing and charismatic as a child will most likely grow up to still be that person. The only thing that can change these facts is trauma.
@@kubatbolat07 Exactly. Some people are so boring and lacking in any kind of character or personality that they make their sexual orientation, gender identity, race, etc into their entire identity.
As a fanfic writer myself, I feel absolutely ashamed. I do my best to write my stories keeping the original characters personality, expanding some aspects where it's possible according to their profile, and these pseudo-comic authors ruin everything for their reputation taints real fanfic writers. I'm kinda forced to keep quiet about it because everyone thinks that fanfic is either a bad story, or a crazy rumor invented by somebody. Honestly, the only situation where I like woke characters is when their journey is to have their oh-so-right convictions smashed to pieces, in order to make them humble.
There is a clear difference between "good fan-fic" and "bad fan-fic", as shown by good fan-fic authors actually caring about staying consistent with the source material and making characters with believable traits AND understandable flaws. The reason why fan-fics get such a bad reputation has more to do with the Dunning-Kruger Effect being applicable to bad fan-fic writers, making them think that they're literary geniuses.
It's almost as if the people creating these characters want the generations who will read them to see not values, hard work, selflessness as heroism but instead just accept that "they are good" because we're told they are. And the goodness they bring to the table is "diversity." (just for the sake of the internet, I'm required by law to point out "I'm being sarcastic.") Watched the MCU recently. They DELIBERATELY made good characters in good movies following a strong morality. After "ten years of that shit, they can finally start making movies for the next generation." And we've seen what Star Wars and Marvel is now. Be safe and well Jennifer, I love your name. Modern Anglicization of my original favourite female protagonist, Guenevere. Beautiful name. Best wishes in your stories
The entire sequel trilogy was a missed opportunity to not have Han Luke and Leia and Lando in a scene together is probably the most unforgivable sin. Having Han go back 30 years in character development and Luke becoming a hopeless hermit… just listing these problems makes me want to assemble an army and an act order 66 on Disney and Lucasfilm
I can think of a few easily digestable reasons why Woke characters fail: 1) 9 times out of 10 they are riding on the cottails of an established character/franchise, showing a lack of creativity and originality. Often this is done at the expense of an existing character who needs to humbled and pushed aside. 2) The moralising is VERY surface level and lacks subtlety. The writer smacks you over the head with the Woke message and uses their OC to push that message. 3) The Woke MC is never challenged or made to question their beliefs. They are treated as morally in-the-right and never change their perspective. They never grow because they are already "right" and perfect, the world has to come around to see things their way. There is no Heroes Journey. 4) The Woke MC is very shallow and self-centred, but their negative traits are not treated as flaws they need to overcome. More often than not they are vindicated in the end and are never forced to see past their biases.
They cannot be projected onto the heroes journey, which destroys the character. Likewise with real life woke people. The most cowardly in society... they have no backbone, only a claim to being offended and "oppressed". We're done with it it is so, so pathetic.
but wtf about it is "woke"??? Like as far as I heard it "woke" is just the new catch phrase used by americans, like "socialist", "liberal", "communist", etc. Is daenerys from GoT woke? Ripley? Were suffragettes woke?
3 really just describes a villains view, they have a strong idea on what is right, something like killing or taking out people they don't like or agree with, and stay on that stance until a hero tries to stop them but fails since they are so far gone and delusional
Honestly, I kinda want to take a woke character like this and flip it on its head, where everyone hates this person because of this wokeness. Essentially, this wokeness leads to their downfall, because everyone is sick and tired of it. All this characters friends leave because of this obsession with identity and politics combined into one. Whoever this character is has to learn that being woke can drive people away from you due to the fact that they are forcing these things down people’s throats when they don’t want it. This character is essentially the definition of “you are your own worst enemy”
@@cyrix6165 What does "wokeness" even mean then??? I thought it just meant to be aware of the systemic issues perpetuated by the state? I mean if you dont like someone merely because they point out the wrongs of the society we inhabit then... well then thats kind of part of the problem, no?
I can add another: She's not original, but the 2019 version of Carmen Sandiego. Yes, the show is a reboot, but thankfully it knows the various source material that came before it and respects it and the fans, and doesn't have politics
Even befor Fallen order star wars had Great female Characters Mara Jade Skywalker an Assassin turned loving Wife and Mother Or Jaina Solo Skywalker twin Sister of Jacen Solo Skywalker Darth Cadeus who had to come to terms with Killing her Beloved Brother or Basstila Shan or Darth Traya or The Exiled Matriss Suri from Kotor 1 ans 2
Exactly. Like everyone knows she is a flawed character. She nuked the entire land to prevent a defeat (it was tie instead - one went senile, she was on her deathbed literally), and the game doesn't try to make her as any victim. She is straight up a boss, the hardest one almost.
As a gay man myself i hate all the new representation we get because all it does is make it look like we ruined the characters, being gay isnt something that should define you its just another thing about you
@@hihihi1q23 No. Disney is in the incredible position that its movie division has been losing money despite owning several of the most successful and most popular IPs in the world.
4:14 If you are including Starkiller you should also include Ahsoka Tano, she is an even better example because she was hated in the first episodes. but later was accepted when her character was improved.
Your right about Ahsoka. She was made a nasty person at first on prepose. It was to show her having blind spots that she couldn't see in her character. As the show progressed, she became more self aware and matured to see her bad ways and change. It's a lesson in a few things. One: Bad character traits such as pride should be called out. Two: Everyone has room to grow and change. Three: Becoming humble will make you enduring. That is why she is so loved. She is a good example of what youth can be. We can all easily start our youth thinking we know it all, that our elders are outdated, we can educate them. But the truth is we know so little and need the wisdom of others and the guidance of a steady hand to become much more that we are. Ahsoka exemplifies this growing into someone better.
And she was a good friend Luke, did i ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano? She was your father's exotic teenage alien apprentice, a fine piece of jailbait from a more civilized age. She had the tigherst body and the perkiest little breasts in the galaxy; barely legal in most systems. Anakin and I used to doubleteam her at the end of every successful campaign during the Clone Wars and once in a while we'd have the whole 501st run a train over her, part of official Jedi "training" of course. In time, she learned how to handle a meatsaber better than anyone in the Jedi Temple. She wore a miniskirt every day so we told her there were no panties in space, and since she was constantly doing acrobatics you'd get a glimpse of her orange pussy mid flights as she'd do a flip while slicing a B2 Super Battledroid in half. It was surreal. We taught her to grip her weapon backwards like a dildo and she constantly got captured by pirates and slavers almost every other day. It was ridiculous, like a constant porno Luke, you have no idea. And she was a good friend.
It's not the needless pandering that really annoys me, but it's the self-righteousness that people have when doing it. Like people changing a characters skin colour to say they "fixed" them, changing a character's sexuality when it didn't matter in the first place, or just cramming self insert "I always win" type shower arguments into their stories. It's not the diversity of it all that's getting grating, but it's the people behind it acting like competent writers, acting like they know best, and how they have more creative potential than the men and women with actual creative talent, who wrote the stories that they're altering to fit their ideology. Creative media has just changed from being creative to a medium to tell thinly-veiled fanfiction by people who don't have the effort or creative potential to write stories of their own.
How I see it is if the writer wants a character to be black, the character to be black. making a white character black does not "represent" black people, as if they needed any. same thing with "gender", you don't need a character to represent you because if you want a character that is a gender or colour, you can't just have them be the same, and if so then why does it matter if they're not "fixed" or whatever
I got into an argument about that on a Facebook group when someone posted art of InuYasha characters reimagined as Africans. The most insulting was "it just looks right". Africans in Japanese clothing and backgrounds, but it isn't cultural appropriation. Honestly, the art was great. But all the exorbitant celebrations was just proving that diversity means black characters.
these new pieces of attempted entertainment seem to lack a person who is passionate about storytelling and have probably studied it, many people are passionate about this and they can whip up a serviceable story for a comic or whatever. It also seems like there is no quality control, can't they just get a few competent people to give their feedback so they can fix their mess.
"actions speak louder than words" is such a timeless statement. Focusing on the character's role in the story rather than what they identify as creates a better foundation for development. A character's identity is just that, an identity. It doesn't tell us why this character is important to the story....that is the sole reason why most new characters feel more like fan fics than actual lore.
I like when woke people complain about "racism" in hollywood while forgetting for example Morgan Freeman who literally played God and nobody had a problem with that
While I do agree that Morgan Freeman is the best candidate for god, second only to Gilbert Gottfried, the double standard with these people is unmatched
I remember one of the RU-vidr said that Peter Parker is like the rest of us, but the creators punches him down on life even more making him not just relatable but rooting for the underdog. He is still my top favourite characters. Well written well planned characters are always amazing to watch. If the main characters have everything then it's so damn boring man.
The difference between a good self insert and a bad self insert is this: a good self insert was made by someone who wants to do something cool, say creating a Time Machine and traveling through time, while a bad self insert is made by someone who wants to be someone cool, the protagonist of a popular story for example. The good self insert works because we want to read stories about people doing cool things.
I think a good example of this is Stan Lee with all his movies, he inserted himself intothe movies, not as a main lead or related storywise for any main plot point, but he inserted himself as a side character that did a small something, almost as a comedic relief.
Nah you got it wrong tbh cause Spider-Man would fit your bad insert definition a Good insert is someone who actually has character and not some Mary Sue or Gary Stu with a one note personality and or goals
Writers with good self inserts aren't afraid to let them deal with hardships in the story as long as they learn and grow from them without compromising their integrity.
The original Force Awakens script had Finn And Rey as dual protagonists with Finn leaning towards the light and Rey was being pulled to the dark. The "awakening" that occurs in the movie where Rey grabs the light sabre originally happened to Finn whereas Rey actually ran from it out of fear.
The only time I think self-inserts are ok is if it means to be a base that is to be built up from their through growth. Like with the original Peter Parker design. As opposed to self-inserts that display no growth or some sort of character build and improv, "This is me, this is how i am, but I can still be special without ever working for it or improving to get it." Even self-insert characteristics and flaws, if for story reasons and inspirational reasons to demonstrate the character overcoming those flaws and/or not letting them dictate them, that I can find ok. But keeping the flaws in a character, or saying they are not flaws (even though they are clearly flaw) and just making them as what the character is and improving is not an option, you're fine flawed, (even though there is no real benefit), "And I should be loved regardless." My belief is that self-inserts as a base but demonstrating improvement and good storytelling is a fine option. While self-inserts as a means of drawing (no pun intended) attention on the actual person and there is no growth and improvement of character, they are just "fine" as they are, is just plain bad.
I appreciate the fact that there are people choosing to criticizing Kaitlyn Kennedy for creating Rey and producing the dreaded movies and NOT Daisy Ridley for simply play as Rey and the rest of the casts for play dumb poor written characters Felt so bad when i heard she's been getting ALOT of hate and backlash for something she had no blame or Control over and it's not her fault for playing such a woke mary sue character. if anything it's Kaitlyn who deserved all of the backlash and the lack of claps and woo during the celebrations really speaks for itself.
No she's also a cunt. She had some serious opinions about the fans just as the rose actress did, and when quickly told to fuck off they sob and stammer and cry about how they're targeted.
Given what the actors and actresses have to work with, they did a pretty damn good job. But ultimately, it's not their fault that the characters and stories are incoherent mess of horse shit.
I have to admit that I feel the same way. I don't want to hate Rey. I really don't. I don't even blame her for the d--- move the writers did. Like you said, it should have been Luke.
I don’t even blame Daisy Ridley given the trash script she had to work with. If Disney wanted to make money instead of a political point, they had the entire EU to work with - Thrawn is a license to print.
They chose to go the "easy route" and replace an existing established character, they think at least. However, what I see is a completely missed opportunity for interesting new characters, and they don't even need to remove Luke. Not just Rey, but some others as well. If you look at legacy stories, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus is a much more interesting character than his supposed "replacement", Kylo Ren. Finn can also make for a great character if they have chosen a better writer.
A perfect example of writing good female and male characters is my second favorite video game resident evil 5. Both Chris(a white male) and Sheva(a black female) are both well written. They both are capable people who don't sideline the other character, hey both help each other out, and the both have traumatic past, and they are both love characters among the resident evil community.
Chris VS Boulder was the most beautifully choreographed fight scene in all of gaming history. Jokes aside, I agree. Some people didn't like RE5, but I did. Its great.
I know its not totally related, but I appreciate Josh's voice actor pretty much telling the people calling the game "racist" that it takes place in Africa. There is gonna be black people and to just enjoy the game
This answer is easy they are boring. There whole thing is I’m gay or I’m a strong independent woman. And it just ruins the movie or piece of a franchise they touch
I hate when companies cannot figure out how to write certain characters so they base the entire personality over what they are supposed to be or make them a huge trope mess with nothing to redeem it then blame others for not "understanding" or liking it
@@EndymionTv Your videos suck. You churn out 30 videos a month about MUH WOKENESS regurgitating the same flimsy points that every other fat, emotionally stunted conservative has. You're a grifter who has discovered that the only way to make money is to pander to terminally online weirdos.
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Hi Endymiontv could you please refrain from calling africano's with clearly BROWn skin as black. This is a pathetic long standing insult by european colonists from da past. I'm native american mexican and africano,with scottish. I questioned my local chinese resturant owner at the till why he refers to brown coloured people as black. He thought about it, then told me we have been brainwashed by society and media I guess and cultural ignorance. Then I asked him what is da first colour you see when you look at my skin complexion and hair. He said black. I said to him the colour black is not an ethnicity, I'm hispanic and then I pointed at my jacket which was ironically actually black lol. Then I motioned to look at my skin and my chocolate candy and then my jacket. It boggled my mind how brainwashed and star trek borg like many humanbeings actually are. For a brief second he said brown, Then went back to ignorant societal default settings like a bot. And stuck with d a mainline BS narrative. The ironic thing is even africanos have been so conditioned by idioacy and societal infactual narratives, The majority refer to themselves as black. Just like most europeans refer to themselves as white. Which is simply infactual. Still in 2023 this BS narrative and label persists. Same shit different year I guess. I thought each year humanity is supposed to get smarter and wiser. I guess I was a tad too optimistic.
Can you not make a video about go woke go broke for the millionth time? I don't know a single thing from your channel that isn't anti woke stuff. Why ask for the next video idea when you know EXACTLY what it's gonna be, regurgitating. albeit solid points from your other videos again and again. Enjoy the videogames!
You’re more forgiving than I am, because I absolutely think Daisy Ridley is on board with the woke shit and has injected her own beliefs in Rey, but since her and Kathleen’s ideology is damn near identical you can’t tell the difference
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that her performance had nothing to do with the reason her character sucks. That's what people mean. There are characters who shck because the actor does a bad job, and then there are characters who suck because of bad writing and or direction. Daisy Ridley's Rey falls into the latter category.
Daisy should honestly not talk at all cause first, her name is f*cking Daisy lmao - 2nd, her big teeth for cracking shellfish are honestly disgusting and downright creepy
@@Tyler_W ...I can agree with this. It's the same with John Boyega. The character he portrayed had amazing potential...could have been the next Han Solo...but Disney...out of sheer fucking hubris...relegated him to a bumbling side character.
@@edgar7456 There are attempts. Unfortunately, the problem people now sit in positions of power at the studios, and they control the product. Very hard to get them gone. Going after them on social media is one thing...but actually rooting them out of their positions at the studios...damn near impossible. Better to just let the product die, and make new indie stuff, and protect stuff like anime/manga/niche games.
In a very interesting humanities class I took during my associates, a classmate in my group introduced themselves as "Hi my name is X and I'm trans." So I replied "Hey my name is X and I'm not trans." They immidietely went to go talk to my professor and we never got put in a group again. I said nothing malicious, if you can use being trans as your definitive factor of identity, I can do the opposite. You've opened the door for things like that reply.
Ah, you need more subtlety. You should have said: "My name is X and my middle school French teacher's favourite sport was tennis". In an introduction situation it's just as meaningful as someone's sexuality.
What really annoys me is that they just never learn and blame everyone else BUT themselves for creating a character that no one relates to. I’m bi and I don’t just want to see a character that is just bisexual… Like come on.. I wanna see a character that have flaws, strengths and weaknesses, growth, trial and tribulations that just happened to be bisexual because that’s just what I relate to
Good example of that is the show SEE, with Jason Momoa - its a very good show, but his daughter in it is lesbian, or should I say turns out that way, as the show start season one with them as children growing up, learning, reading applying the knowledge, growing, in her case making bow and arrows, becoming damn good at it, then ending in war, getting captured, meeting another person on the enemy side who can see, then sleeps with her and small side story of their love starts. But the main thing is, she was a built established character, shown with flaws, who fell for another women - and it wasn't over top thrown in your face that, that was all she was. The idea of here is this character she is lesbian(or Bi) first then everything else, it is here is this character, who is this, who has these issues, who tries this, who then struggles with understanding herself until she falls in love with another woman and is lesbian, Over the course of season 1 and 2, it isn't thrown in your face on day one, it is built to that ending over the course of time, which makes it a lot more understandable and acceptable. I do seriously recommend the show, very enjoyable, a lot of thought has gone in to that show and it shows.
Yeah, I think its sad because it shows that a lot of these writers think the most important thing about themselves is who they are attracted to. Honestly, who cares that you are bi or gay? (Not you specifically, like the characters) Lets show a person who is bi or gay but has character flaws, personal growth, development of other values that have nothing to do with sex. I just honestly don't think that sex and who someone is attracted to is the most interesting part of a persons personality. That is only a very small portion of what makes a person who they are. Just like you as a person have so much more about your personal story than just being bi.
I always explain it like this: Imagine you have a close friend or relative that was killed. Then the killer attends the funeral dressed like that close someone and claims to be them, but acts nothing like them while actively insulting your late relative or friend.
There IS a way to fix Rey that SHOULD be implemented somewhere down the line. *_Give Rey a similar treatment to what Anakin got in the 2008 Clone Wars show._* Flesh her out by making more stories before the events of the sequel trilogy. Make her work towards earning her place between the major events of the Sequel Trilogy. *_Just give her more time to get fleshed out._* People keep making comments like, "The Sequel Trilogy needs to be deleted!" or, "Rey is the worst!" *_Then flesh her out and give her more character._*
My issue is you can have diverse casts that are actually fucking awesome, key example being across the spiderverse, Pravitr, Hobie and ESPECIALLY Miles are all standout characters + they manage to use their culture without it being over the top woke. (I.e. Pravitr's jab at the british is short and sweet and actually lands as a joke)
Spider-Verse is objectively perfect. There's also Miguel, who's half-Irish, half-Puerto Rican if I remember correctly. And yet the movie doesn't say a fucking thing about it because that's not the point, I love it.
I think that the spider-verse series is the pinnacle point in having diverse characters. That's just my opinion though, there could be something better out there that represents diversity better than the spider verse.
@@fantis7710 fax it doesn’t disrespect any race or put the race before the story or plot you see little mermaid just remade the movie but with a black version nothing creative. Same with velma tv series
the problem was never about its wokeness or "message" its the fact they were simply made by terrible writers and are using said wokeness as a mean to deflect criticism to their shitty writings
I'd like to thank Kathleen, Ryan, JJ and Disney for curing me of a 30 year addiction, inherited to by my family, almost passed on to my children. Their efforts to expose that evil can only corrupt, which I should not consume, has truly helped me move on.
Nah, I'll still enjoy PT, OT, Rogue, Andor, Clone Wars. They are still good entertainment and even have good virtue lessons in them. But also make Disney and Lucasfilm bleed money for their trash products. Like, I'll never ever buy anything related to Sequels. And if everyone else did the same, their stockholders will clearly see this.
Writing flaws aside, it’s just cause deep down you know why they’re going it. They’re using a character you know or grew up with as a tool to talk down to you or belittle you. Sometimes it’s the character themselves or sometimes it’s a new character made to chop that character down for no reason.
A good way to write a good character is to review them *without* having to state their race, sexuality, weight, and gender. If you can't describe them without those traits, you failed, rewrite them. Edit: Jeebus, 115 likes and 5 replies?! I know its sometimes annoying to see people giving thanks for this kinda stuff, but thanks.
I think a good example is Captain Jack Harkness from Doctor Who (and Torchwood); it becomes readily apparent that’s he’s bi, due to his shameless flirting with just about anything with a pulse, but it’s never actually announced that he is bi. They just wrote him well enough that you could tell he’s bi without them telling you he’s bi. Either that, or I’m miss remembering him and need to watch Doctor Who again.
Yes exactly. A big problem from these sorts of characters that i ve found is exactly this. Back until the 2015's and so, the way that characters were created was: We have this new character and it's name is X. X is a space engineer and has had a rough childhood. The way X has matured is through all of the problems that it has faced as a child, and now, all that it has learned as a child is being tested now as an adult. X is a good person, is very smart and is a fucking space engineer... oh and he's gay or something. The way they write characters nowadays is: this is X and he's gay. Oh and he s a space engineer, but that doesn't really matter because he is gay.
To me, it's more that the characters we love have arcs, stories, struggles. These new age characters have everyone love them, people do non sensible things to help the character, and the new characters have extreme powers
I’d like to mention to add to the self-insert characters. I believe that Aragorn is the self-insert of Tolkien where it is the characteristics that he strives to have or sees as kingly. Not that Tolkien is sees himself as a king rather putting his ideas of good people in different forms and it’s honestly beautiful. Self-insert isn’t always bad. Even Mary Sues can be great if other characters think she is perfect but probably uses it as a front for her own insecurities. Not necessarily the reader needs to think of them as perfect.
Like was a Mary sue, so was Anakin. While anakin kinda was poorly done in the prequels he was well done pretty much everywhere else. Rey failed to work because she didn’t have character flaws and didn’t need to grow, snaking had an actual story that had good broad strokes, Luke had some skills he probably shouldn’t have, but he still needed to learn to use a lightsaber and the force, and they barely succeeded in the first movie. He lost his first duel, but he was well written. Ray had no goal that lined up with the story, somehow knew everything she needed to, stumbled on nostalgia bait, detracted from the well and decently written character in the movie, never truly lost a battle, brought us to a pile of regrets and character flaws that Mark Hamil thought didn’t feel like Luke, stole some books, got Luke killed, and then a poor rendition of the palpatine clone saga with Ray finding out she’s his defendant, rejecting her history, hey force heal is canon again. Why? Because we say so. I’m a skywalker, not even my own character.
I think that's just plain inserting. If the author wants to express their morality through the story, the author would give the heroes virtues and the villains morals the author disagrees with.
The trap is to fall in your fantasizes. You can male a self-insert or a Marye-Sue. It can work. But only if you have self-control and a good knowledge about storybuilding. But most creators who make a self-insert are arrogant and selfcentred and are only preoccupied by if they are the victims or not. So like 99% of the time, we end up with a bad character.
I think the difference is creators before had a bit of humility when they self-inserted. Nowadays, self-inserts are always overly glorified representations of the writers - AKA Self Insert Mary Sues - whether it's Bella Swan for Stephenie Meyer or Katniss Everdeen for Suzanne Collins or Hermione Granger for JK Rowling.
I am also thinking about writing a female character for my version of the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Her name is Taryn Solana, and she was a Sith apprentice who was actually a Jedi that was brainwashed by Darth Talon, the big bad. Taryn was saved by Ben Skywalker, Luke’s son. Her arc is that she wants to live up to her father’s legacy, and realizes that she was carving out her own. So in this case, I don’t want her to be one of those characters that try to spread out the writer’s agenda, along with the fact that those people just want to do that just to make people who don’t agree with them look like bad people. No, not that bs, let Taryn have a reason to exist. Plus, let her struggle. Let me know what you think about this character, and I will improve on her.
I dont know who said it, but there's a very good quote out there that helped me focus on writing the characters I want despite what the audience may think; "We don't need strong female characters. We just need strong characters that just happen to be female" I feel like this can be said for not only gender, but also race, sexuality, and so on. A character cannot have their entire personality simply be this "woke thing", they just need to be good characters. Good characters have flaws, move the story forward, and feel like actually real people at the core of it all. You dont need a good character to be your gender, race, or sexuality to relate to them. Those factors are simply character traits, not the entire character. It's simply bad writing.
Some times I wonder if these woke characters are made out of fear. Like the creators or publishers feel like they HAVE TO push these characters out of fear from the Twitter morons.
I feel it’s somewhat of a grey area. Sometimes people are just trying to include POC or LGBTQ persons into their work with genuine intent on representation and it falls flat and other times you get Mindy Kollin (Prob not how u pronounce her last name but idrc) who is very clearly on a power trip and trying to be as PC as they can so they can get brownie points for being inclusive while also having an out if anyone has any genuine criticism towards their work.
No it’s all about business,unfortunately 2 years ago go woke go broke or even until now aren’t a things you may see a woke movies got lot of bad review and critics from anywhere but critics is not a matters for profit,as long as lot people watched it either of they like the movies or just want to roast the movies are still profit with that,so woke are nothing but just a produtct they don’t reallh care about equality or race lives matter no nothing at all…they just cared about money because making woke is increased profit.I read somewhere when a company admit by themselves if since they propagated political their profit is drastically increased.
You're mistaken. They ARE the Twitter morons. Most of these "creators" bossed their way into these positions based on diversity rather than actual skill.
I can answer that question. Because it is lead by FAKE diversity and is mostly focused on self inserts and being politically correct. That is just LAZY writing!
This was worded SO WELL! To me, I don't care one bit about people's sexual orientation. It's irrelevant to how I treat people. To me, sexual orientation is a private matter. I don't go around telling people what gender I'm interested in. I don't care to mention it. It's my own business. So when I see that every prominent character's entire personality is sexual orientation, it's just boring to me and I don't care to invest my time in it.
Bad example of diversity: Rey, who's just a Mary Sue Good example of diversity: Luz Noceda, who isn't defined by the fact she's a bi Latino girl, but rather that she's a big nerd with an even bigger heart.
Self inserting in moderation isn’t a problem, but I think the self insertion with Mary Sue type characters is just a classic display of narcissism. There used to be a saying: “They’ll have a rude awakening when they get out in the real world” We never predicted they would fail upwards so spectacularly.
honestly I don't mind "woke" characters; I just want them to be a decent character. There's so little but great good examples of being woke and being a good character. A good example being Clementine from the telltale series, shes literally the most woke you can get and yet people don't shit on her because she's an amazingly well-built character who grows as a person as the story goes on. Shes actually likable. Gwen Stacy from the Spider Man animation is a actually likable character with small tad bit of teenage angst and a little trauma. The Spider Verse movies don't have an asshole of a mc going around putting people down, denying others of their struggles because some guy looked at them wrong (*cough cough* She Hulk) and the likable characters actually work for their strength. they don't just pull it out of their ass in the middle of a movie and they don't treat female representation like a damn prize animal by giving them a whole section like thats going to work. like bro if you want black representation or female representation or trans representation the easiest and best way is making a movie for them, make your own character if you need, and don't go "oooo ah, watch this insufferable asshole of magic girl and her squad run and fight big bad guy for 10 minutes. like bro this aint a art gallery, representation doesn't mean forcing it into your story and shoving it at the veiwer. Representation is making a good character who also has those elements. If they are a hero, have them still fight the same damn troubles as the cis white man hero, have the struggles of their minority be a issue on the side, an annoyance but something that dictates their actions and choices (while also making us care for the character: ie. Don't fucking steal some random guys bike because he was an sexist asshole, thats still a crime buddy and theres better ways to solving an issue. That just creates more issues, issues of which he benefits from since a crime is still a crime. Being a hero doesn't absolve you from crime, especially if this is in a "woke" film, all your actions define you as a hero or a villain it's not just your good acts) If you do their minority struggles as the focal point, give it the damn attention it deserves and show them struggling to accept themselves or like give them a conflict, or struggle to overcome.
I think the reason the characters you cited work, is because they are either original characters, or respect what came before. The problem with a lot of the newer woke characters is that they feel they must degrade what came before, or they re-write/twist an existing character into something that they are not.
My favorite character in Cyberpunk 2077 is also the lesbian love interest (Basically there's just one of each it seems). Judy Alvarez is both badass but also vulnerable. Not to mention the game does a great job making characters seem human, from how they speak and act to random shit like Judy leaving you drunken voice messages. (Clearly showing her insecurities about being in love). Even if you don't play a female character and romance her, she comes off as very human.
This is what's been annoying me with how lesbians are viewed in recent media; that if you're a lesbian you automatically hate all men and there is NO place for a man in your life whatsoever, everyone from family, to friends, to rivals, to pets, to lovers HAS to be a woman, even kids in that lesbian's life has to be female. Judy as a friend to Male V is one of the best characters around, there's no bashing or gender belittling, she doesn't put on any tough act, she's sympathetic and caring and is absolutely fucking depressed when you get the worst ending in the game.
Speaking of Cyberpunk 2077 my favorite character is Kerry. In the pen and paper game he's bisexual. In Cyberpunk 2077 he comes off as the sassy gay friend. What makes him interesting is his struggles. The man got rich by selling out to a record company. He wonders if the metaphorically sold his soul to the devil and tries to get it back. Along the way you get to blow up corporate property in the form of over priced yacht. If dc comics decided to keep Tim Drake and Jon Kent as bisexual characters . But gave them more personality than identity politics check boxes. I would support it. I can't support token gay characters or token race swapped characters.
@@kalen2465 Yeah Kerry was a great character too, but since I didn't romance him, I didn't get that side of his story. Judy just felt so real, you know? She was tough as nails on the outside, but vulnerable on the inside. In many ways I liked her over Panam, who was a little bit too much of a hard ass. (Although also a good character)
I loved panam but Judy was by far my favorite out of the main group of V’s friends. Another thing I liked is when you romancé Judy she will beg you to be nice to her grandma since she wants to know what kind of gf Judy has 😂
There are worse things than being a self-insert in a comic. The idea that your ideal lover is Deadpool, I can get looking past the fact that he's basically a living tumor that won't die, but he is not someone you want to be involved with. You are going to die, be it from his enemies trying to get at him, or by Deadpool's own hands.
I used to love reading comic books. I got didn't care it made me a nerd and I looked stupid for loving nerd shit in my 20s then they got woke and it's gone from "I will proudly defend these stories" to "you can't pay me to read this" and it sucks. I feel like I got robbed of something I had to fight for for years
"It's not being done to flesh the character out. It's simply written that way so places like CBR will write an article." This is how it felt when Arc System Works released Bridget in Guilty Gear Strive. The changes made to the character didn't feel like they were for the sake of adding depth to the character, but rather for the sake of getting the attention from gaming journalists. The funny thing is that I don't even think that adding more LGBTQ representation to the game is a bad idea, I'm actually in full support of them adding more LGBTQ representation to the game. However, with Bridget it ended up feeling like they didn't even try, opting to instead just simply slap a label onto whichever character was the easiest. The writers had an opportunity to tell a story about the character's feelings and struggles during their journey to figure out who they are, but none of that was ever shown to the players.
This's why I mostly consume *Japanese* media these days; not only do they not give a damn about woke ideology, they see it for what it is, and they've even called it out a *lot* ; and when it comes to their *own* media, they focus on telling the stories *they* wanna tell. And a lot of them have strong female characters that're *actual characters* , with all the flaws and weaknesses that entails, which's what allows them to *develop* , and become *better* ; some of my *favorite* Japanese media is like that! Hell, I like *Shantae* , which's made by one of those very *few* non-woke western studios that actually work directly *with* Japanese studios; the titular character is a dark skinned girl, but she's much *more* than her sex and skin color, and what she is *beyond* that is why I love her!
what's upsetting about Rey is that instead of her struggling how to harness her somehow initially strong connection with the force (or plot armor) or starting off weak and becoming powerful, she just is kinda given skills and picks up where Luke left off
Ideas shouldn’t be parasitic, they should be additive. Especially when an entire world is available, you should be able to coherently justify whatever kind of character you want, but they don’t take the steps to build that character from scratch using the tools inside the given lore of a franchise. They demand that you must change to meet their vision, while not even acknowledging the previous work.
The problem they're having is that this is all one giant forced agenda. So instead of building a character that grows organically during a saga, they just get forced into place for the sake of the agenda, which then means that their target audience consisting of about 3% of the human populace cannot produce enough money to be profitable, all while slapping the other 97% of their potential audience in the face and wondering why they aren't pleased with the product. Just consume product, and wait for next product is the only recipe these corporate entities know. Lifeless and soulless. Dare I say, devilish.
Imagine how poetic it would be if Rey at the end of IX just said “I’m just Rey” or “I’ll found out soon enough” after spending her whole life seeking a legacy to attach her self to she finally accepts that she has to forge her own. Heck the yellow lightsaber would make even more sense then. Obviously Rey’s not a jedi temple guard and therefore it makes her unique to ALL THE JEDI. I think that alone instead of the whole palpatine skywaler yadayada would have single-handedly redeemed all of Rey’s other flaws but thats just me tbh
A great fact everyone should know is that the reason why Spiderman's suit is a full covering one was to make that you can imagine yourself as him. Stan Lee may have been flawed like all humans, but he was a great person, excelsior!
16:52 the fact that you used the legend of Luther strode, makes you an absolute Baller in my book. I have the entire series and I absolutely love it. I’ve heard a rumor that they’re making a movie about it, but it worries me because I know they’re just gonna fuck it up. I would absolutely love to play that character in a movie.
BTW, I love that you also provide examples of good characters, properties, comics or stories. One thing I would hate from some media websites back in the days, was whenever they would make articles about everything wrong with (insert whatever was getting hate at the time: violent music, comic books, fighting game costumes, etc.) they never mentioned alternatives, so it was always free publicity for whatever they were complaining about. Punk Rock Jesus looks awesome, I might check it out.
Luke Skywalker - Experiences a terrible loss, meets an old but great master, follows a quest and must painstakingly train to develop his Jedi powers. Later on he gets his hand cut off but this event pushes him to only make him stronger for the final confrontation. Ray - No clear motivation and automatically is able to utilize force powers that should take years to develop. The then utilizes superior lightsaber skills / force powers to defeat a sith lord that has trained all his life...... Yeh.....
Identity political woke self inserts are the worst because if you attack the character's weaknesses (even lack of weaknesses is a weakness; "Mary Sue") you're attacking the person behind the self insert who was boasting about it. That's the real goal behind it all. Special treatment, a free pass, least amount of work put in and maximum profit.
In my opinion, one of my favorite characters from pop culture is furiosa. She’s a great example of a strong female lead that doesn’t seem woke or trying to push a narrative. She doesn’t seem to be taking the place of max but instead in fury road they had to work together to survive. She isn’t always the one saving everyone and needs help sometimes but at the same time she can also hold her own. She also loses some fights which makes her feel more human but she doesn’t go down without a fight. I haven’t seen the new furiosa yet but I am so excited to see it. From what I’ve seen from the trailers they keep her the same as fury road without going into gender politics and all that other bull. People just want deep and interesting character and that’s why I think furiosa is a perfect example
This is why my project Inverted Generations is mostly focused on character developments and how they struggle to deal with Zeth Cero's destruction and how hard the world is to you don't lose hope and your dreams
That's the lazy libertarian mentality that allowed the rot and poison to creep in. You should absolutely care about what disgusting degenerate sexual perversions leftists are trying to brainwash kids with.
@@armandomorelos2500 which just happens to be the case for a lot of characters just thrown in there for inclusivity. You don't need to have a phd in film theory to see a character isn't good.
@@armandomorelos2500 I'm someone who aspires to be a writer, and my friends do not. I swear to you, they could make write a script that is infinitely better than most newer disney and Hollywood movies if they put their mind to it.
