Intrusive thoughts defeated this Jedi 

Torbin makes Anakin look like the most patient Padawan there.

I'm pretty sure Mother Aniseya screwed up. She took Torbin's desire to go home and made it overwhelming which completely backfired. I'm pretty sure EP7 is about both sides screwing up.

1:21 Keanu Reeves as a silver-handed rocker/activist turned Jedi, who has to keep a spacecraft from dropping below 55 mph and exploding? I'm sold.

How did Torbin manage to go from padawan to master in 6 years?? Let's not forget he spent 10 years meditating in silence, so I doubt he would have been promoted during that time.

I suspect Torbin got pushed by this witch getting into her head...the same way the wookie jedi was still affected years after the whole covenant of witches got into his

I think the fact that it's stated Torbin is the son of paupers is actually pretty relevant to why he is the way he is. He may have had trauma from the poverty he grew up in that caused him to have an anxious attachment to the temple in Coruscant.

the message burned in the back of his mind was "It's Torbin time!"

Torbin 'Leroy Jenkins'🤣🤣🤣 "What the hell, Torbin". Yes, what the hell!

I think its also a reminder that just because someone was raised to be a Jedi doesn't mean that they should be or will be a good one. Legends comics had plenty of short stories where a Padawan realizes this isn't for them and leaves. Part of his behavior is age/maturity related, but also, maybe this life just isn't for him.

Great video as always! 2 points, I think Torbin sat in the fact that his simple frustrations and yearning to go home that night ate at him over the last 16 years. I think he reflected over many years how his impatience caused the deaths of 50 people. Because the 4 Jedi covered it up, some sort of Jedi counseling may not have been available. Feeling immense guilt that he caused so much death finally and no place to turn to for support resulted in him taking the vow. Also, I agree with everything you said about children and battle. But this was not a battlefield, this was a mission to a presumed dead planet that was thought to be uninhabited. On paper, it sounds like a textbook example of a safe field training mission to take a Padawan to get some experience.

Why? Because LEEEEERRROOOYYY JEEEENKIIIINSSS

Oh I think it's 100% because a Dark Side Witch rummaged around in his noggin'... He wanted to go home, Sol told him they want to find a Vergence in the Force, they find out there's something "off" about the Girls and they might be the Vergence they sought and so his mind jumps to the conclusion "Get the Girls -> Finish the Mission -> Get home". Perfectly "logical", especially if you're a Teenager who's homesick and just a day or so before got pretty much violated and messed with (and yes Aniseya absolutely and entirely fucked up here... probably thought they'd be more concerned about Torbins overall state than "the mission") and probably had lasting, at least psychological, damage from that. Why he's with them? Pretty sure this wasn't supposed to be a combat mission at all, just a survey of the planet, find out why its ecosystem has regenerated and get back... that is absolutely something that you would take your Padawan on perhaps indeed as his first Off-World Mission.

I think some classic Star Wars fans have a built in misconception that is also shared in some aspects of Tolkien fans. They think Jedi are "perfect" balanced and pensive beings all the time. In reality, despite being able to connect with the force, they are still human (or whatever they are) and they have emotions and are fallible. Likewise, in Tolkien, people sometimes think elves are perfect and always good. However, especially if you've read all the books, Elves are quite capable of cruelty, malice, and being just plain a-holes. Most Jedi are good or are at least trying. But they're not perfect and they are in an imperfect institution with a few blindspots.

Let's face it.. these guy are the Jedi science survey team. One respected Master and a couple of minor Masters and a Padawan. Star Trek had them, Stargate had them. Someone has to go off and catalogue planets. I doubt that these guys were the rockstars of the Jedi when given this mission.

I have to say, Allen, my favorite thing about this show is your videos covering it. The character breakdowns and the observations you make are excellent.

I’m still convinced there’s an unanswered part of the flashback. Like some third party, maybe Sith, who caused the explosion that destroyed the coven’s hideout. And who rescued Mae from her fall.

The episode was a relief to me, because i was afraid they were going to make the Jedi the sole cause of the fire or something. I think Torbin was obsessed with the head witch, who had gotten into his head. Torbin's issue is very reminiscent of young Anakin's teenage angst causing the Republic to fall.

Tobin: LERRROOOOY JENKINS! Leroy Jenkins: Bro, what are you doing?

I think Torbin was still very troubled from the witche fucking with his mind

I was 18 when I was conscripted so yea Torbin's mood totally reflect my mood when I am on my 7th day of field camp, no shower, MREs, feeling the sweat stain between my butt cheeks coalescence into god know what...I just wanna go home

The mother got into torbin's mind and exploited his desire to go home. He wasn't in control of his actions. This did however, backfire on the mother.

I feel Torbin's actions make sense. He was homesick and wanted to be part of something more, something he felt was important. The latter being what many teenagers & young adults long for. This answer to why Torbin took the Barrash Vow works very well, to me. His impatient, childish actions led to the death of an entire witch coven. Those last words probably should've been, "I thought I was doing the right thing." Unless you've only seen The Phantom Menace and specific Clone Wars episodes, how does someone rationalize that Jedi Padawans never wine!? Anakin, Ahsoka, Ezra, and Luke all wined or complained at some point. I like your personal example, Alan. These people want to tell me that they, or someone they know, has never been on an unpleasant trip (temporarily or the whole time) that they didn't want to be on and either kept silent to keep the happy vibes going, made it obvious for others to tell, or tolerated it up to a point.

it makes more sense if you think about it outside of just "he wants to go home", but as a whole. he doesnt just want to go home he clearly expected he would be doing more high profile missions. instead hes stuck in the middle of nowhere doing survey work for who knows how long. getting the girls does more than get him home it gets him recognition. he can see this as his way to finally get to do the "important" things he thought he would be doing. this moment could make his entire life going forward. remember he was told how incredibly important the vergence in the force is. if he provides the proof then it would show how valuable he is. then factor in that he doesnt know what might happen next if he doesnt get the girls. will they just be stuck there for years. decades? will then be forced to abandon the planet and his time there mean nothing. would he be a failure? all that swirling with whatever influence was planted in his mind. the fact he is so skilled at this point also suggests he thought his life and missions would be much more than just picking plants.

I think Torbin was traumatized from being possessed and overcome by fear. The dark side was effecting everyone on that planet, especially the Jedi who have never encountered the dark side.

It’s said that Aniseya could get in your head and stay there. I feel that she messed with Torbins head amplifying his desires to the point where he couldn’t think straight. Just how Kelnacca was still plagued by images 16 years later

2:42 “I appreciate the acolyte trying to do something new and not being just full of member berries, that’s a trap.” Nice 😏😏😏😂

good intentions, unforeseen consequences all around: -Mother Aniseya just wanted to protect her children and coven, so she gets into Torbin's mind to try to get him and the jedi out of Brendok. Unfortunately he sees taking the twins as proof as his best bet for getting back to Coruscant. -the other witches just wanted to protect themselves from the jedi who they thought had evil intentions, but in defending themselves they exacerbated the conflict -Sol just wants to save Osha (and to a lesser extent, Mae), and this leads him to killing Aniseya -Indara wants to save Kelnacca from the witches' mind hijacking, but in doing so she accidentally kills all of them. -Mae just wanted to burn the book, and instead she burned the entire base :(

Exactly Torbin was such an interesting character to watch for me, and with all that went on it was very cool to see his personality come out more and more.

Lmao the actual Leeroy Jenkins footage mixed in is a nice touch. Great video, Alan

Seems like being a jedi was a cool job at one point that over-recruited until the pool was diluted. It happened with baristas, weed trimmers, brewers, etc.. I'm really enjoying the themes here regardless of the flaws

"the poorly lit side of the force... they got soup"..... LMAO🤣

LLLEEERRROOOOYYY JENKINS

You had me at Torbine. Turbine? Torbin?

I spit out my drink when I saw the title. Lmao

Having a witch in your mind once isn’t a good thing the threads that bind are hard to remove from your mind because it will take pieces of your mind with it and mother of the coven is still there influencing your thoughts and emotions

“I have, I’m just kind of an idiot.” I feel absolutely seen.

what do you think was he really that homesick or was it the witch magic?

Just like in real life a horrible thing happened because of misunderstanding based on fear and paranoia

Torbon was messed up from being possessed, his mind was violated. It was terrifying and I understood it to still be in effect. It drove the Wookie mad too. PTSD is something viewers have come to dismiss in media. Torbin's mind was violated and his actions caused the death of dozens. You don't just shake it off. I think of soliders with PTSD. A single incident can cause it, and we don't criticize them for not being strong enough to shake it off. Indeed, they usually get an medal.

The Tobin Leeeeroy Jenkins thumbnail maybe me holler.

At least in this show, the Padawan's were brought not to a "Battlefield" but just out in the field. going to Kelnaka there was no suspicion of an Active Sith, and if they are doing Science no fight would be expected ... seems reasonable to bring Trained/Senior Padawan's would make sense. Younglings are still kept at Jedi Daycare

Obi Wans face in that scene gets me every time it screams “what did I tell you, this was going to go very well”

First he was bored on an empty planet and wanted to go home, then he was traumatized by the scary witch coven that lives on this empty planet and wants to go home even more. Torbin's actions make sense if you consider the fact that trauma can make people do some really stupid shit.

I think it made total sense that she got in Torbin's head, and amplified his desires to go home. And then i could easily imagine it caused life long damage to him resulting in him taking the Barash Vow, and ultimately taking his own life. Same with Kelnacca going out on his own living as a hermit. He obviously had life long trauma as well with how he was obsessed with the witch symbols. In a world of literal thousands of Jedi, I can believe this small group could have issues and do all they did, without damaging canon or how we see the Jedi in general.

I feel like Torren attacking was an unexpected consequence of the mother enhancing his need to want to go home.

"I didn't hate episode 7. I actually liked a lot of things about it, but ultimately, it was kinda a let down." Alan, having flashbacks to TFA.

If sarcasm is a path to the dark side then I’m a goner

I thought it's 'Leroy Jenkins' in live action immediately. Lol 😅

Keanu Reeves and Sam Witwer ... probably my top fan pic for a Darth Bane Rule of Two mini-series

You can say they laid the groundwork with torbin, but it's a little hard to do in only a half hour show. Yes, anakin was an inpatient pad one.But we also got a whole lot more time to understand the context of it

I think its funny the mandalorians seem to have more respect for their kids than the Jedi do

Yeah, the jedi threw Ahsoka into the Clone Wars when she was about 13. That's crazy

Fans have been calling for Keanu as Revan for years

The pacing is definitely the main issue I have with the show. Also, I am loving seeing so many yellow lightsabers, they're really beautiful.

I just wanna thank you for the best laugh I've had in a LONG TIME! Although I can faintly recall the Leroy Jenkins reference many years ago, I had to youtube it to refresh my memory. And I swear, I painfully shot my drink out my nose, and cried real tears. But uhh...yeah...that's exactly what the hell Torbin did.

I liked this episode, and didn't really mind Torbin's moment (I just figured he was mentally compromised). But even if I didn't like any of it, I would like it now that I hear Leeeeeeeroy!

Just to be fair here there's not much indication that this is a combat mission. Really it's supposed to be a planetary survey which would be appropriate for a young Padawan.

As a Star Wars fan and a WoW player I approve of this.

King Tommen really wanted to get back to the Red Keep and see Sir Pounce.

“Adventure? Ha! Excitement? Ha! A Jedi craves not these things.”

@ 13:35 the look on Torbin's face is exactly the same as Ewan McGregor's character Renton has at the start of Trainspotting when he locks himself in his room to get off junk, then he looks in the mirror and kinda goes on autopilot & decides he needs just one more hit to get him through!

It had to be the magic messing with him. He was homesick and sullen before that, but he was still doing his job. He’s also someone that should have been weeded out by Jedi “boot camp” as too emotional, and just been given temple duty.

For me this show is great for depicting on each episode, our modern life reality. This episode is the case study of an unchallenged institution (the jedi) meddling with family affairs and customs.

torbin wasn't thrown onto the battlefield. bro was on a camping trip and decided to attack a nearby settlement. also how is he a child? the actor is the same as amandla, 16 years later he looks like he's 50 with 3 kids

The one word title 💀😭

Torbin’s behavior is exactly what happens when someone is in the clutches of a malignant narcissist and does not have the mental strength to resist the mind f they are laying down.

The possession was meant to highten his desire to go home, I think it is an unfortunate consequence that it came out in actually confronting the witches again.

On Obi-Wan's backstory, fanfic leans into Legends and the Jedi Apprentice novels about Obi-Wan's youth. He had his issues, but also suffered quite a bit of trauma too.

If we ever get an origin story for Yoda I vote Laurence Fishburne to play Yoda’s master.

It makes sense to me . 7 weeks in a forest with no proper food , bed , bathroom . Yea I’m getting those kids and gettin the hell of the planet too . Remember everytime he ask indara when they can leave , she kept saying long long time .

Torbin making master actually makes sense to me. I’ve always felt that there are many paths to becoming a master of the Jedi arts; Torbin seems to have taken a more spiritual path with his devotion to the barash vow.

Very first of all, thank you Alan for your video, insightful as usual. Regarding "sending children to war zone", my POV is that this mission is never expected to be a "fighting" one, not even an adventurous one. It is more like a high-school student biology/anthropology field trip: you collect samples, draw illustrated pictures and diagrams of the environment, record observations on behavior, answers queries and little quiz from your teacher from time to time, and have some taste of wild camping, that's it. The reason I used such analogy is that discovering vergence and potential force-sensitive being or force phenomena is one of the "routine" jobs of a Jedi Knight. It is almost one of the core tasks of Jedi: "collecting potential younglings, and for those too old to be trained, take a note and pay attention from afar for just in case". So every Jedi padawan should have experienced the entire procedures and even finish one on one's own (as part of the graduation examination). Hence, from the very beginning, none of the members in the group had ever expected to have a violent encounter, not to mention battling and duelling and even killing other live beings. Torbin's homesick is nothing special. Apparently he was born and raised in a "metropolitan" area and never used to wilder areas. And he should have already known this mission is no more than a "boring mandatory field class" to practice some very basic Jedi procedures/routines. Just like any teenagers he is simply bored and felt inconvenient at an unfamiliar environment. And even the Jedi master and knights there were never prepared to face such an encounter. But it shouldn't be matter because there were Jedi codes to follow. It won't be the first encounter Jedi had in over a millenium, and won't be the first forceful and violent one. Standard protocol is not to interfere another ethnic group, and without their consensus as well as High Council order they should simply leave the planet for good,. Had Master Sol not jumped the gun, this trip should ha ended in a peaceful retreat with notes sent to Jedi temple.

I reminded of Diablo 4 and Inarius as he and Torbin both have the same basic motivation, the current situation they’re in sucks to the point they will do anything to just go home. With Inarius we get the whole dialogue diolog of just how shit it’s been for him, with Torbin he been board for seven week doing mindless chores for no know reason. Yea it suck’s, but it not like we got some scenes or explanation that being on Brendock is misery to the point of extreme desperation.

"A lot of Padawan don't get to survive their Get Scared Straight moment" We saw this earlier in the show. *cough cough* Jecki

Torbin was traumatized and wasn't thinking clearly. He literally got possessed by a witch.

I do like episode 7 of the Acolyte it does paint it less Jedi as bad guys and more as the good guys who land themselves into an emberising tragic misundersanding while Torbin overly homesick brat. The witches did have the right to worry about Jedi but they should have reached out to the Jedi let them know they were there too and ask what they were doing while misleading them help. The witches had a near prefect hand playing but they folded because they were in favor of the prefect 21 blackjack hand.

Perfect Thunbnail! Well done.

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I saw it as the witches worked on a weak link in the team, got into his head, made those desires and fears greater, to the point he unthinkingly goes on his raid, which is almost what the sisters wanted to escalate.

Everyone needs to learn how to braid a wookie's hair. I imagine it would be very cathartic for everyone involved.

Its possible that going to the washroom in the woods got to him... heck maybe he stepped in wookie doodoo one too many times in the last 7 weeks... 😮

EP 7 is about both sides messing up; i also think Torbin is supposed to represent the people who immediately thought that Osha and Mae are breaking canon because of their birth. I have a feeling we still dont have all the pieces

There is a weird disconnect with Torbin's actions. He runs off to gather evidence, which he already has. He gets the results of the blood test and runs off. It feels like there is a missing step in which someone in authority ignores him, which would then prompt him into action.

To be fair, Tobin wasn't supposed to be a "battlefield". He was very homesick and maybe not ready for the mission. Love the Leroy Jenkins reference! Andara and Sol's conflict was interesting and shows there is no "one size fits all" way to train padawans.

Keanu Reeves and Hugo Weaving in a future Star Wars project? Hmmm...🤔

I likely would have clicked and watched the video regardless, because you put out solid material that isn't overwhelmed with divisive takes, but the LEEROY! reference in the thumbnail guaranteed I clicked. 😅😅

I actually think it's funny how many lessons are in this episode from each side: Mother Aniseya could have not been so quick to try and destabilize the Jedi's united force by attacking their weak link. She didn't realize she would come to the decision to let Osha join. Sol wants a destiny so bad he screw it up by overreaching for what the Force would have provided anyway. His instincts were spot on but he tried to Alter it and that's what leaves him the screwed-up state he is now. Indara is trying to be the cool and aloof mentor and has a clear disinterest with emotional connection she is always fighting because of the Jedi code and that ultimatey leads her to make the mistake of assuming that tough love and strict reinforcement would work on Torbin. In a way she doomed him too. Torbin is just the prime example of a dream killer for anyone who wishes they grew up in the Star Wars universe and got to be a Jedi. He shows us it takes the SMALLEST misstep such as homesickness to remind us why attachment is forbidden and why Jedi are supposed to never truly have a 'home'. The Force is home. Kelnacca is awesome and powerful and really hate their decision not to translate his Shyriiwook so I can get ANY INSIGHT into him. He's a Wookie Jedi. Like the official third of all time and as such it would be interesting to see how he compares his thoughts on the Force with the others or even his boredom in the moment.

I actually really dug this episode. Kalnacca using his claws in a fight was not a thing i was expecting to see. I expect he was incredibly ashamed when he came too, being a MadClaw would cause a wookie to go into exile. Torbin fucking up so bad he went into a forever meditation. I would too if i was him.

This poor Tommen actor, this is the second role I’ve seen him “sign out early.”

The best way I've seen sarcasm described is : Anger turned outwards is violence, inwards is depression, and sideways is Sarcasm.

Almost spit my coffee with that, " I'm not doing it on purpose, I have like... some kind of.... I'm just an idiot". Thank you for giving me a laugh to start the day, we love you!

The only jedi Keanu should portray is Revan.

0:01 Alan's new renting room looks more nicer than the last one.

I never thought id be living through prequel drama all over again , when leslye said its inspired by ep1 I didnt think everything 😤

Torbin was still under the witches control the entire time until the witches died. However, while Anasaya was alive, the core command she planted in his mind was an obsession to leave the planet. The obsession died when she did, but the aftermath of Brendok haunted Torbin the rest of his life. We don’t know what Tobin discovered during his 6 year turn from padawan to Master. Whatever he found may have sent him into the Barash Vow for his guilt and to allow Mae’s pain to feel seen by at least one Jedi from Brendok. His apology was for all 4 of them, but he is the only one that took direct responsibility for what happened. Indara doesn’t take responsibility, we don’t know if Kelnacha would have or not because of his premature death at the hand of the stranger, and Sol hasn’t taken responsibility as of yet either. Mae knows what happened but Osha doesn’t. It’s not Mae that needs to hear his confession, but Osha. I theorize that Osha heard everything he said to Mae because of the helmet. Since she’s locked out the outside world, and her force sensitivity is returning, I suspect that it’s her wearing the mask as she goes after Sol. In the trailers we hear a monologue about “you killed my sisters” that we have yet to see. That’s one of my prediction for episode 8. Theories: Osha will be fighting the Jedi whilst wearing the mask. Perhaps it’s Mae that stops Osha from going full on Sith. Perhaps she and Sol come to an understanding about Brendok. She knows what she did, what Torbin and Sol did, but she may not have known that it was Master Indara that killed the rest of the Coven when she pulled Kelnacha out of the possession. I don’t think we’re gonna get more of Qimir’s back story. We should get the full story of the twins creation but it will probably be through one of the Jedi or Qimir telling Osha how she and Mae were created and why they were created. I’m hoping we get Qimir telling us the story or even Mother Koril. We didn’t see her body, so she’s not dead. Mae was probably on Dathomir with Koril and the Night Sisters the remainder of her youth. After she became an adult, she could’ve left the witches on her own to pursue revenge against the Jedi. I doubt Mother Koril would have a problem with Mae pursuing her revenge. Or maybe the night sisters didn’t want Mae around the coven any longer. Perhaps they saw her as a problem that would bring the Jedi to Dathomir or maybe Mae’s aggression towards the other coven members may have gotten her exiled. Maybe she met Qimir there or he was present the night of the ascension. Somehow I don’t think he has anything to do with the twins creation. I think he’s pulled the truth from Mae’s mind. That’s why he knows so much. I think we will get more on Vernestra and Mog’s shenanigans. We’ll get to meet the Senator that’s got a hard on for the Jedi. That Senator is going to be Darth Plagueis.

You recruit 18 year olds because if you wait till they’re in their mid 20s they’ll have wives, children, and careers. If you’re going to risk dying early, better to do it before you have a wife and kids.

Whos actually enjoying the show cuz i am

As Bombastic has pointed out. This might be someone's first introduction to Star Wars. We live in a time where one's first experience can be so many different Star Wars.

I cracked up at "the more poorly lit side of the Force." :D

He’s only been there for 7 weeks. Try going on a military deployment for 6mo to a year…