@@forrestdupre87I like the movie, but I will agree that Disney took a lot of things out to make it appeal more to kids, I think most Disney movies based on books do that because it wouldn't be on brand to show the uglier sides of their respective stories (even though the villains get away with their crimes, and that didn't even happen in the original book)
I’m curious if you’ve heard of the darkest Pinocchio adaptation. It’s the 1972 Japanese animated version. If you haven’t, maybe you could check it out, since this really is the year of Pinocchio for some reason. if you do want to watch it, watch the Japanese or the Italian version(it’s uploaded on RU-vid, just search up Kashi no Ki Mokku), because the English version is VERY censored and made to be more childish and its honestly awful… the original is a forgotten gem. Very interesting and VERY emotional. Maybe you’ll get something out of it
It's amazing, we tend to think of people in the 1940s as a bunch of repressed prudes, but the it's the modern day Pinocchio that was so painfully sanitized. The original was hardcore.
My favorite part of the movie is how the villains basically win, even though Pinocchio escapes danger and becomes a real boy, they aren't arrested for their crimes, The Coachman and John and Gideon still make lots of money from kidnapping all those boys regardless of if Pinocchio's there, Stromboli probably lost a lot of money but given how he was doing well before Pinocchio I'm sure it wasn't too detrimental to his career.
Yes, that is one thing I like as well (it's weird to say, since they're the bad guys). It's more realistic and shows how not all evils get stopped, and sometimes the most you can do is escape from them. Thanks for watching.
Technically, yeah. The vilains have won, for once, from this one and no like the other Disney vilains who always fail in the end. Pinocchio didn't come back on Pleasure Island to stop them and rescue the others children. He's afterall fragile and nimble unlike the cliché of younger people can beat adult (like the majority of movies from the 60s and later) with silly ways. The Coachman, John and Gideon are still free and bet that they keep capturing more children. And one more thing, if this movie was made around of the 90s, I bet they would make a VHS sequel of it for sure.
I plan on ripping the new remake into 80000 pieces in an upcoming video, it was genuinely, not only the worst remake so far, but one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my life.
@@Rockotarthepurplehatguy I look forward to seeing your review on it! I haven't wasted any money to see any of the live action remakes, and I have yet to meet someone who genuinely likes the remakes at all...
Man, I would love to see that. The remake downright broke me and seeing someone rip apart the many, many things wrong with it would be very satisfying.
I haven’t seen the remake yet but I was planning on watching. I am looking forward to see what Guillermo del torro does with it. I love his style so I’m hopeful that it will stick to the original story and give us something different to watch
I am likewise somewhat annoyed that pop culture makes Pinocchio's nose growing into his main thing when that was a single scene in both the book and movie. I also agree that Jiminy is at the very least the coprotagonist of the movie, as his character arc is just as strong (though less obvious or easy to describe) as Pinocchio's. It's also interesting how Jiminy's position as Pinocchio's conscience works a metaphor. When Pinocchio's having fun with Stromboli or on Pleasure Island, Jiminy decides to leave him, only to return when the fun turns to trouble. But then when Pinocchio decides to go rescue Geppetto, Jiminy tries to persuade him not to, saying it's too dangerous-- but nevertheless helping him tie his tail to a rock so they can explore the bottom of the ocean.
I'm really glad that there's people out there who care enough to stick up for Pinocchio. No shade at all to YourMovieSucks, I really like him even if I disagree heavily at times, but it made me sad to hear him say "Who gives a shit about Pinocchio?" in one of his streams watching the trailer for the incoming live action remake. I give a shit about Pinocchio, as a film and as part of film and animation history, and wish more people did beyond a few of the songs and the donkey trauma. Surprised you didn't mention people fixating heavily on those scenes in addition to the lying and nose growing, because I hear way more from people about Pinocchio traumatizing them than anything else. Honestly, I wonder how many people subconsciously block most of the movie out because the donkey transformations and enslavement was that horrific to their young minds. Also, I find it funny that you mention Marvel considering the use of "I've Got No Strings" in Age of Ultron. Or maybe that was just a trailer. Either way, I don't think the allusion was ever meant to go that deep, but it's funny to me that Ultron himself is a son of sorts who was intended to make the world better, but tries to light everything on fire instead. It was, perhaps, easier to attempt to destroy humanity to protect it from itself than to go the longer, harder route. Again, probably not that deep in all reality, but it's intriguing to me personally.
Exactly, a lot of people I know haven’t even seen Pinocchio. In terms of dark kids movies, Coraline and Watership down are much more extreme and traumatic than anything in Pinocchio (at least the film versions).
"I've got no strings" was definitely in Age of Ultron, Ultron talks about having strings multiple times and you hear a clip of the original song during a shot of Ultron starting production of his drones. Definitely agree that it ties into the theme of a man made automaton choosing the easy solution to a problem (world peace through world extinction) rather than pursuing the difficult but worthwhile path of good.
Great video, although there is something I would like to mention. A thing about the second time Pinocchio made the wrong choice is that its not entirely his fault. The first time, he willingly agreed to go with Honest John but it didn’t quite pan out that way the second time. Honest John kind of manipulated and forced Pinocchio to go to Pleasure Island. Honest John made Pinocchio think he was ill and then basically dragged Pinocchio to go to Pleasure Island. Pinocchio did try and get out of it but Honest John kept interrupting him and stopping him anytime he tried to get out of there. Pinocchio did not make a huge effort to get out of the situation but he is a gullible child who is being coerced by an adult (and there is still an attempt from Pinocchio to do the right thing and ho home). The whole scene shows that while Pinocchio has started to grow, he is not quite there yet, still being powerless against the temptation bestowed upon him by evil (and later on, Pinocchio is of course negatively influenced by Lampwick). Pinocchio does indeed mess up his second chance but it is because of the power the morally bad characters have over him rather than the first time, where he simply gave into his temptation very quickly. I hope this video and your channel get some more attention. You’re making some solid stuff.
Thanks, I mainly say that he deliberately chose evil again because of the fact that once he was dragged off, he went gladly and didn't even think about going back to Geppetto or Jiminy, despite the fact that he should know better than to trust Honest John and Gideon at this point.
Yes. He doesn't try and escape when he is being dragged off and once he's on the coach and meets Lampwick, he willingly goes along with it. The first time, he just willingly goes down the "evil path" and the second time, he initially tries to do the right thing but he ends up going down the "evil path" which he does willingly go along with once he gets there So while he does make the wrong decision in both cases, it takes him more time to end up making that decision the second time around, not truly making the decision until he is already in a situation where he does not have much choice. It show us that while Pinocchio has started to grow, he is not quite there yet and he ultimately chooses the wrong decision, even if it was not his original intention.
It's easy to see why Pinocchio is a unique movie, the villans don't get punishment, the boys are never seen again, yes Pinocchio becomes a real boy but he has gone through so much trauma I wouldn't be surprised if he gets PTSD every now and then Also what makes this a dark movie is the thought that every single person who worked on the movie is probably dead
I watched Pinocchio again last week and paid close attention to the level of detail in the movie as well as the effective use of squash and stretch animation. I remembered well the multi-plane animation system that allowed the great shots of the town, especially when it awakens just as Pinocchio is set to got to school but not the excellent animation of the characters in body and facial movements. I notice in Stromboli a great use of perspective and before that the foreshortening of high angle shots and for low angle shots. Such care, talent and artistry went into this movie. Even watching a DVD rip of my old Pinocchio VHS, the quality of the movie made me forget the inferiority of the image. I fully intend to buy the Blu-ray to see this movie in its best condition.
I completely understand your frustration about Pinocchio’s only recognizable trait is his nose growing when he lies. I guess you could blame films like Shrek for that, but it is rather frustrating that that’s the only trait that everyone brings out of Pinocchio and not the character development or the other profound messages in this gem of a movie surprisingly.
I kinda like how Osamu Tezuka adapted Pinocchio's "death" in his manga adaptation (and also gave Monstro some karma), Monstro smashes against the reef, and the sheer impact shatters it all and causes a landslide that buries him and nearly kills Pinocchio and Geppetto on the other side, who survives... only to find that Pinocchio got all disassembled, with his head detached and all and stays dead even after Geppetto has fixed him back together. The scene of the original is still sad obviously, but I do like how Tezuka tweaked it to make it a bit less headscratching (so Pinocchio can breathe underwater and twist his head nonchalantly during his dance number, but a big washout is what gets him?) and definitely a bit more devastating/dark to look at.
I agree that dark mokents are good but, I also think they're good because life is dark. We should try to prepare kids for the real workd rather than hide them from it. People hidden from dark realities become, naive, ignorant, or even worse, dangerous because of it. Great analysis! You rarelt hear people talk about this movie
Jiminy Cricket is most definitely the protagonist just like how the 3 good fairies in Sleeping Beauty are the actual protagonists. Also he plays an important role in the Kingdom Hearts games. In fact at one point I do believe Pinocchio had a coveted 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and that is one of the rare instances where I can't find a good argument as to why anyone would dislike it completely.
The fact that everyone blames Jiminy for abandoning Pinocchio because "muh conscience" just frustrates me to the core. It shows how flawed he is just as Pinocchio and Geppetto.
Monstro’s sound design is truly horrifying. I have no idea who decided what sounds like an angry lion mixed with a chugging steam engine would suit it, but it does mix with the visuals amazingly.
Also just ignore the cultural impact of the humpback song. A blue whale's actual sound is honestly, to put it bluntly, pretty terrifying. Do check it out for yourself if you will.
The Coachman and Judge Frollo are probably the two most evil characters in Disney. I can't really decide which is more evil. On one hand, the Coachman sold what looks like hundreds, maybe even thousands of children into slavery. On the other, Frollo murders a woman in cold blood, almost burns a family alive, abuses Quasimodo for years, and tries to kill both him and Esmeralda.
My siblings and I watched the movie when we were children, and we actually found the scene in which Lampwick becomes a donkey pretty hillarious because his donkey screams sounded funny.
After me and my friends watched that awful Pinocchio a true story movie a while back I went and watched the original Disney movie and holy crap. I forgot how good it was? definitely in my top 5 Disney movies. *edit* I'm pretty sure the lying gimmick comes up more often in the books but its literally been 12 years since I read it so- *edit 2* I love how the coachman's carriage is pulled by donkeys that's some nice foreshadowing.
I also love the foreshadowing of smoke for the climax in 2 snippets of the movie: when Pinocchio first discovers fire was a bad thing, then his smoking scene on Pleasure Island.
Of interest is the weaker alternate ending (where it's Geppetto who is killed and then revived): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yRs9oB0i_Ug.html Pinocchio not paying with his life to save Geppetto makes the ending less thematically and emotionally satisfying. Pinocchio instead fails to save him which is promptly corrected by the blue fairy, alongside giving Pinocchio the reward of humanity; a lame, anticlimactic resolution. It's a reminder of how much work it took, how many false paths, to make the story reach the potential that it did.
Disney's greatest animated film of all the time. I must say and I agree with you. I dont know why people hate this they have different opinion I don't mind but this is the Disneys greatest animated film
I was able to watch a lot of Disney movies growing up, but would only have certain ones on hand to repeatedly watch (mainly direct to video sequels,) which does change on what my favorites are and how I appreciate them. A lot of people didn't appreciate Pinocchio when I was a kid, but since I had my own copy, it was one of the ones that I got to watch a lot and I loved it for the artwork. Also, my grandma really liked it. She reminded me of the blue fairy and she would have crossed the ocean for me.
I think Geppetto not even caring what wrong Pinocchio did is honestly better for the "light vs. dark" symbolism you mentioned because it reflects the story of the Prodigal Son you briefly touched on which itself was a metaphor for a sinner returning to God. In that story, the son fully intends to confess to everything he's done, but the father is just overjoyed to see his son again and doesn't even care what he did while he was away.
Pinocchio is amazing only challenged by the three Disney Renaissance Movies Hercules, Beauty and the Beast, and my personal favorite Disney movie, the Lion King!
As I mentioned in your review for the 2022 atrocity, the 1940 Pinocchio was the very first Disney animated movie I saw. It was 1986, and I was four years old. My parents recorded it during a Disney Channel preview. At that age, you'd think I'd be traumatized for life after the donkey scene, but it didn't really bother me . . . . . much. This movie is a true masterpiece, from the gorgeous backgrounds to the iconic "When You Wish Upon a Star," which is one of my all time favorite Disney songs. And, of course, Figaro, because I'm just a crazy cat lady (emphasis on the crazy part).
After years of looking like a creepy weirdo everytime I'd say that Pinocchio is my favorite Disney movie of all time, I finally found someone who shares my pov! This is so refreshing! I grew up with this movie and always loved it, I find it so beautiful, heartwarming and poetic. Since I was a kid, I always had in mind that it was a movie about learning how to make the right choices, even in the darkest times, not about that "LieS aNd GroWiNg NoSE sCeNe"!!! But people I met would instantly assume it's a bad movie because 'It's old and it freaked me out as a kid!', always the same speech! Just because a children movie is dark and traumatized you when you were younger does not mean that it's bad. Just WATCH IT before coming in with a opinion based on its reputation! I can understand "trauma" due to the dark atmosphere, I just wish people would watch the movie in hindsight and not reduce it to 'it's a 40s film, it must be bad!" Anyways, sorry for writing so much, but I wanted to open my heart on it, thank you for this video, it feels so good ^^
Pinocchio is a film that I marathon along with the first five original Disney films, and it might just be my favorite out of all of them. Admittingly Fantasia held the crown for a while, though as time went on, I came to realize that Pinocchio is the better film. A, because it's a brilliant film that touches on the theme of temptation. B, it's a very tightly woven story so it never feels like it's dragging or fumbling and C it's probably the most, well "real" human Disney has ever been.
Just here to be the 69th comment lmao Also This movie was my childhood, I grew up watching old cartoons and rubber-hose animation, and this was my introductory and all time favorite movie! And I agree that this is the best Disney Movie made!
It's a bit tragic that I found this new enjoyable channel only a few days ago and I've already just about finished the Disney Videos playlist with the closing of this video, but at least I can expect new quality content to enjoy in the future as this channel grows; keep up the great work good sir
I hadnt thought about what the best disney movie was, but i defenetly have to say that this one is at least in the top 5, both for the book its based from, and for the changes of the animated vertion what would you say are your top 5 favorite disney movies and would you talk about any of them in a future video?
I've already talked about one of the other top 5, that being Wreck-It Ralph (the first one, not the terrible sequel lol). And yes I plan on doing videos on at least two of the other top 5 (The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast). And the last one to round out the top 5 is Aladdin (though I haven't decided if I'll do a video on that one yet).
@@Rockotarthepurplehatguy interesting top 5, i defenetly agree with the little mermaid (though i like the adaptation done by hayao miyasaki in "ponyo" more) and wreck it ralph
Good analysis, though I feel your music inclusion (totally brought me back to my childhood) in your later videos were helpful to compliment your commentary.
Yeah, I was going to add music originally, but I had spent so long editing everything else that I just wanted to release it. That's why I now add the music before the footage, so that way I don't ever feel like "this video is good enough without music". Thanks for watching all the same.
Great video but you asked to name a modern Disney movie where the main character dies and I don’t know if you would call all these modern anymore but (Spoiler warning ⚠️): the beast dies fighting Gaston in beauty and the beast, Eugene(aka Flynn rider) dies after saving rapunzel in tangled, and Elsa also dies in frozen 2.
@@Rockotarthepurplehatguy lol Olaf melted because she turned to ice, seems pretty dead to me. Forgot that Ana also turned to ice in the first one too 🤣
@@eveningstar06 it's the closest thing to being dead I suppose, but I wouldn't say she actually died, and Olaf died because she obviously couldn't conduct her powers while she is frozen.
It might have been because of Shrek, but ever since I was younger, I’ve always been so interested and invested in the character of Pinocchio, and the story itself. But nobody else seemed to care about it; just reducing it down to being “creepy”. Though it’s painfully depressing, I am so glad that the world is finally shining some light on how amazing this movie truly is because of all the terrible remakes coming out this year. And sadly, I have to admit that the reducing of the entire story down to the “nose growing” scene was pretty much the only joke that Shrek’s Pinocchio had in any of his scenes, and likely had a big influence on that fad; but that version was still iconic in his own way.
I know evil people get away with their misdeeds all the time in real life, but fictional villains getting away scott free is just narratively unsatisfying, at least in my opinion. It's like presenting a Checkov's gun and not firing it; or setting up a mistery but not giving an answer. A villain winning in fiction is just a loose end.
Another main reason it’s the darkest Disney movie is because none of the villains get punished. They’re all still out there, kidnapping children and causing misery. People really don’t take this movie seriously enough
Your rant about how the nose growing being the only thing people reference about Pinocchio is how I feel about everyone obsessing over the just right phrase every time Goldilocks. And people who keep talking about the original Sonic movie trailer instead of focusing on the actual movie(s). It’s just like, LET IT GO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
@@Treeeee2008 I meant, that this video is occasionally slow paced and lacks background music (which he did add in his later videos). I still liked the video of course.
@@TheLazyFusspot_3428 Exactly. Making him someone who can’t do anything wrong. Just like with Pinocchio. And not gonna lie, Jiminy’s voice in the remake is annoying as hell while Jimmy’s voice in the original is very charming.
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An unforgettable untouchable piece of art that will be remembered always, and not some soulless cashgrab shot-for-shot amalgamation with fake green-screen vfx. It's sad that Disney once used to be a place for kids, and they should've stuck to that and that ALONE!!!!!! Now they're just stripping the magical element away from it just for money.
Last time I watched this movie I remember disliking the Jeminy Cricket character. On top of that I find Wish Upon a Start really annoying. Listening to all the people who praise this movie I get a feeling that it's a deep, fantastic movie, but only if you agree with it's ways and lessons. If something is deep/complicated and try to push a message you don't quite agree with it just comes out condescending.
I recommend also watching Jordan Peterson's (way longer) analysis of this film: ru-vid.com/group/PL22J3VaeABQAT-0aSPq-OKOpQlHyR4k5h He touches on similar points, such as Jiminy underestimating the difficulty of being a conscience or being confused by Pinocchio's success at Stromboli's show.
Copyright on this movie ought to have ceased decades ago. Copyright monopolies are a corrupt concept anyway, but making copyright last this long is ridiculous. Copyright is to encourage people to innovate, supposedly. So are we trying to encourage a dead man to design a concept that everyone already knows? Why does Mickey Mouse still have copyright? Besides, innovation ALWAYS happens on the shoulders of giants. No exception. Copyright stifles innovation by removing those shoulders. Even the original 14 years of copyright most likely did more harm to innovation than it did good because it was much too long. Disney basically rewrites the law so that no author will ever again have shoulders of giants to stand on. Disney is destroying culture progress and culture preservation. But of course, Disney is not really to blame. They are a corporation, and corporations are supposed to be psychopaths, they literally owe it to their stare holders to do everything in their power for profit. The real culprit is the government for going along with this corruption. The people ought to stand up and defend our cultural heritage against this erosion by corruption, but instead we support it by going along with it and even rewarding Disney (and thus indirectly the corrupt government) for it. This is why right now downloading is not only ethical, it is actually MORE ethical than buying that copyrighted 80 YEARS (!!!!) old movie is. Because when you buy the movie you support corrupt lobbying for corrupt monopoly laws that are destroying our culture. When you download it like you would from the public domain then you do no harm. In a better society we would buy their new stuff, download their old stuff. Disney took the idea of Pinocchio from the public domain and they made huge amounts of money from it. They got their rightful reward many times over. Now it is time to let Pinocchio go back to the public domain from which it came. DISCLAIMER I, THE AUTHOR OF THIS COMMENT, DO NOT CONDONE BREAKING ANY LAWS NOW DO I CONDONE DISRESPECTING LOCAL CORRUPT AUTHORITIES. PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU ARE INFORMED ABOUT ANY LAWS THAT APPLY IN YOUR AREA AND THAT YOU GIVE PROPER RESPECT TO ANY CORRUPT AUTHORITIES. BREAKING LAWS WHICH ORIGINATE FROM LOBBYING IS PUNISHABLE BY LAW. SAVING OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE FROM THE MOUSE IS PUNISHABLE BY LAW.
0:46 this is what I try to tell to Evrey one that managend the nose growing and I never cud explain! I am so glad I am not the only one that thinks like this! (Oh yeah and Pinocchio is also my fav Disney movie)
I know, but that isn't the point of the story, it's something you're supposed to suspend your disbelief over to focus on the messages and morals being told instead.
@@Rockotarthepurplehatguy At least his character was more realistic in the original movie than in...lemme catch my breath for a second please... *(pukes over cringe-inducing cgi effects)* ...the live-action abomination.
Question how many of you have played the donkey kong games follow up Question wouldn't it be crazy if disney made a Pinocchio game where the Blue Fairy gets captured by a giant ape who throws barrels and wears a tie
I think if you took a shot for every digression made in this video, you’d look like Pinocchio in the Pleasure Island scene where Jiminy chews him out lol. I do very much enjoy your analysis, though! :) I feel like I’ve grown a bit numb to Pinocchio over time (mostly because of relatives rewatching it to death because why not), but perhaps this will refresh my eyes for the next watch. I’ve always found it to be a great, touching, fun movie, and I’m glad to hear someone talking about it (I’m not nearly the first person to say this, but I never hear anyone talk about Pinocchio, it’s neat) Also, to whoever may be reading this comment (yes you, with the skin), make sure you drink some water today 👁 👁
11:50 I do not think that anyone, when you mentioned Monstro,, thought to himself "I sure wish he would stop talking about his current point about Jiminy half-way into making it and jump to a completely new point about Monstro". If the viewer was that uninterested in your story then he probably would have already left the video. What you say about Jiminy is pretty interesting and Jiminy is a much more interesting character than Monstro will ever be. In fact, I would hesitate to call Monstro a character at all. He is more like just an obstacle.
With the release of the recent Pinocchio movie, I watched a ton of people on RU-vid shit on the remake. I don't remember watching Pinocchio as a kid, I don't think I did. But after all the remake reviews, I went and watched the original 1940 Pinocchio and OMG it's one of my favorite disney movies now. I don't have anything bad to say about the movie. Any criticism I could say, isn't really "bad" imo. ETA: I just realized I saw your Pinocchio remake video, and I think that was the first vid I saw of yours lol. didn't subscribe then but I've watched like 5 more videos of yours over the last 2 days and now I'm subbing
In my opinion I’d say this movie’s good but not great. And I’m even more inclined to stick to that notion because because ever since the remake came out, people have been using the original as a reason as to why Disney will never be good again, even though I’m pretty sure most of these people are nostalgia-blind fanboys.
How many times have you seen this movie, it's the kind that you have to watch multiple times before it clicks. This movie has an insane amount of depth, meaning and detail that takes multiple watchings to fully grasp. I used to think this was just an ok Disney movie until a few years ago when I started noticing so much stuff I never realized, and it quickly became my favorite Disney movie.
@@Rockotarthepurplehatguy minor detail you may not have noticed in 21:06 The chair's logo takes the form of a donkey, providing excellent foreshadowing to the morbid transformation scene.
A great video about Pinocchio . One thing that surprise is there Never has Been Done Any sequel / second follow up cartoon movie to This great film like They have Done for Mulan, Peter Pan, The Lady and The Tramp to name a few examples . I personally would have loved to see a Pinocchio sequel where Pinocchio , Jiminy Cricket , The Blue Fairy and maybe some new characters had tricked the Coachman to do Good things and maybe make him and his evil henchmen turn into geese ’ chickens or some other animals
37:40 ok so I like your videos for the analysis but a few things, you sound very condescending and also this statement is flat out incorrect, I know that Tangled and Frozen have scenes that parallel this exact thing, not to mention the major character death(s?) that Big Hero 6 is literally centered around
