@@wayne251975 they poor. They can’t afford a nice boat there and it’s embargo country. Can’t buy a tug if they want it to . It’s all out dated junk. If they do have tug . It won’t be working because they don’t have parts for it to run it
Telling what? Pray, tell. Or do you think that Americans are unaware of their own flag or do not know their own submarines? It would actually be rather counter-productive, as US submarines are qualitatively better than Russian ones. No offence, but the military budget of the USA is between 8 and 9 times the one of Russia now that they have increased it. So, what were you saying about "telling" something?
I think about six of our boats were shadowing them the entire time. I'm pretty sure the Navy even knows what their menu was every day based on communication interceptions.
It's much worse than getting the Kasan-M's acoustic signature. That boat when straight through the US Navy's ASW training range, being tracked and followed the whole way. Now the US Navy has detailed information on how to track the boat from all significant bearings and ranges. They couldn't hide from a Virginia class as it was, now the US Navy will be able to detect it with confidence at greatly extended ranges. They have essentially made that whole class obsolete now.
@@john_in_phoenix They might as well have handed us the blueprints. They did hand us a textbook on how to track the Kasan-M. We know how to do the rest already. In submarine warfare, detection is 99.94% of the job.
can't they just swap the prop and replace the tiles and now the acoustic signature is different? If i had to send a sub through such places i'd pick one that was due for maintenance
@@robertsaget9697 Besides props, a big part of identifying a sub is machinery noise. Things like cooling pumps for nuclear reactors, air purification, etc. Replacing a prop isn't at all easy, they often take a year or more to machine, and multiple years to design and test. It certainly is a major drydock operation, and the current prop was designed to give the most power with the least noise.
@@robertsaget9697 It would be different, but that wouldn't solve their problem. Changing the anechoic tiles wouldn't change anything if they were in working condition. They don't make noise; they just absorb some of it. Every time a US sub encounters another sub, they record it and file it's acoustic signature. Even our own subs. This way they have a better idea what is out there. Remember subs are blind, so the world is like being a bat to them. They listen to everything and hear everything. However, the Russians sending on of their best subs through our training area let our experts listen to it from all angles and at all practical ranges. Basically, they just handed the US Navy the textbook on finding and tracking their most dangerous sub. Bubbleheads (US Navy submariners) are enjoying an early Christmas and April Fool's Day combined right now. For the next few years, when you see a bubblehead lift a glass to toast, it'll be to the health of whichever Russian idiot came up with this idea.
Major show of force? A Frigate, a Nuclear Powered Fast Attack Submarine, a Fleet Replenishment Oiler, and a Fleet Ocean Going Tug? You are easily impressed if you think that is a major show of force.
Well, for Russia this is a Mayor Show of Force. What do you expect from a country who had a whole navy wiped out by a country without a navy (well, two minesweepers, but they are in another sea).
@@nathanmacalfred3659 If Putin tried to order the use of a nuclear weapon, he would have a sudden and unexpected 'medical issue' and somebody else would-be running Russia.
I remember that the SOSUS underwater microphone system was given to civilian science (I think woods hole) the Russians can't be that stupid to think we just gave up listening underwater
The U.S. used the time to train and gather intel against the adversarial equipment. If they didn't know the sonar signature of the new sub before, well, they do now.
Well, not very difficult un the XXI century, with this thing called "the Internet" where you can find all the movements of any ship which has the transponders on... which is what ships do when they are not going to war or trafficking drugs or illegal immigrants. And well, there are also these pesky contraptions called "aeroplanes" and "commercial satellites"... oh, and some dudes called "Russians" that happen to announce the visit weeks before.
Not to mention the pics of Kazan sailing into Havana Harbour with big holes in the acoustic tiles on the Hull - which would make it more noisy because of water drag and risk more tiles falling off! 😊
You left out the part where it sailed right through the primary antisubmarine training area of the US Navy. It was accompanied by a much larger contingent of US Navy vessels. This was a political decision that did no good for the Russian Navy.
Kazan was launched in 2017 and comissioned in 2021. Severodovinsk - 7 years earlier. It is well known fact, that however impressive initially, Russian subs get louder as they age. Significantly. Case is - claim about Russian 'mistake' is as bogous as VPN add, because USA most likely had this profile for YEARS now. Actual photo of Yasen class is from 4:51 onward.
They've also not figured out how to properly seal their reactors on their subs to keep from irradiating the crew. Not that they give a shit about the crew as witnessed by them not letting us rescue the crew aboard the Kursk. They let their crew die rather than let us rescue them because it would hurt their Russian pride. Must be paradise to be in the Russian military
A US Navy / RCN task group followed these vessels all the way down the eastern seaboard. A Canadian RCAF CP-140 Aurora also moved in lock step down the eastern seaboard tracking that sub as it sailed to Havana. Separately, a RCN AOPS on patrol also paid a invited port visit to Havana at the very same time the Russian Navy was there in port. I'm sure they were acoustically listening while docked next door to the Ruskies
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I'd imagine that the RCN dropped off a detachment of "Canadian sailors" on the way home at Norfolk Virginia lol
A submarine, an oiler, a frigate, and a tugboat does NOT constitute a "flotilla," lol. I would call it a "task group," and the task was to buoy the Cuban government while giving nothing in return and to threaten the US Navy, while pretending they have some stroke across the world. A sonar profile is built on every single seriously capable enemy warship or submarine as soon as it leaves port, I promise you. We don't wait for them to come to us. We are waiting and listening. - Former Surface Sonar Technician, USN.
"...a potent Russian naval flotilla"...is playing fast and loose with the term "potent". Seriously? I can't imagine this caused concern within the US Navy.
The day after the Kazan entered Havana harbor, its tail the fast attack submarine USS Helena sailed into Guantanamo Bay. Also, photos of the Kazan in Havana shows that it was missing several acoustic tiles which would have made it noisy and giving it unique signature. 😂
At least they made it, I remember when Iran made a big deal about their navy, their plan was to sail to America and show their power. Well they made it about 500 miles, had to abandon plan and tow a bunch back. They haven’t tried since
The US navy, and shared intelligence, have likely had the acoustic profiles on file since shortly after the sun was launched, of course, there is value in having a recent, verified profile on hand.
And do what? NOTHING! They are isolated, thousands of miles away to be resupplied and supported. They are being tracked and can easily be anilated if needs be.
How is this a warning this has to be a bot account to not realize how stupid that statement sounds. Or maybe he doesn't realize how big the US navy is..
A warning that Russia is so dilapidated and mismanaged that their desperation may not know any bounds? What is it you think America would be afraid of with only 2 missile carrying ships of which neither had nuclear weapons on board? You just sailed by the most heavily guarded coastline in the world, with 2 boats incapable of breaking through the missile defense systems of any strategically important city on the East Coast...let alone the destroyers following...I am not sure how this is a threat. It just made sure Cuba will have less economic support from the region as now they will be seen as re-affirming ties to Russia and taking on the role of puppets, combine this with their support of terrorism in South and Central America, it was a move that set them back 20+ yrs.
Exactly what were they supposed to be warning us about? That they are actually dumb enough to sail one of their latest submarines directly through our main ASW training and testing range?
Must be joking….. are we really saying that it took a Russian sub to cruise right off the coast of FL for us to develop an acoustic profile on it? Cmon guys don’t take the bait navy heard the ocean gate sub implode while it was nearly 4000m down with no propulsion. We’re well able to deal with subs in ways you would find incomprehensible.
The only way for Russia to prevent the US getting the acoustic profile of their ships is to never run them on their own power. I kind of doubt that's a good idea. All in all, the Russians sent four ships to Cuba. So what?
We likely already had a decent profile. But since the Russians managed to sail their flotilla directly through our main ASW testing and training facility - we probably know more about its acoustic profile than the Russians do.
The acoustic profile can be camouflaged and varied like a chameleon. I was under the impression, correct me if I’m wrong, that one can simulate the acoustic profile of an adversary to evade hostile action.
All we have to do is compare the sonar profile with the ones that we already have on file. Every time a Russian submarine leaves port if is shadowed by a US or British sub.
Did anyone else here happen to notice all the acoustic absorbing tiles missing from all parts of the sub. That can't be good for them. There were many cavities on the hull which will make a lot of noise as she slips through the water.
@@rhodium1096 Yea they can send a submarine off our coast. And we got a lot of practice tracking it. A show of force would have been doing what we just did to the Chinese - having a missile sub surface of their coast when they had no idea one was even around - then dive and disappear again.
But we also sent ships and subs presumably, so they can acusticly do the same and may have "GAMED" us. What we don't know is if Russia believed the subs signature was already compomised, therfore sending it was a move to have us counter with navy vessels thry needed signatures on.
Russian show of force. One sub, one small warship a support / oiler and an ocean-going tug for when they broke down. Sooooo scary. US Navy learned so much that would of been quite difficult if they hadn't come by to show us.
The thickening of the Barents Sea ice has scattered both boomers and the attack boats. Some are drifting among the disrupted currents of the AMOC and the crevices, nooks and passes of the Ridge, as well as some of the fumaroles. Others fled to the shores, and deep of South America. VT ANG was sending up sorties the week prior looking for activity as Boats were mousing up and down the coast. Chutzpah lads
Mocking the Russians for a poorly thought out deployment and then using stock pictures of U.S missile submarines does not encourage a sense of professionalism.
Good point. The core advantage of ANY submarine ever is the enemy not being sure of just where it is. As 'flexing" goes, this move is up there with shooting oneself in the foot. ... And it wouldn't only just be NATO, but other allies of the US (and of NATO) that would undoubtedly get this data sooner or later - Japan, Australia, South Kore, and others. I'm sure that, wherever the Kazan might go next, it'll be sure to find friends. :)
They had that profile years ago, our submarines patrol constantly for new submarines for these profiles everyday in the north Atlantic, this fact is nothing new.
OH, you think only The Submarine, Frigate, Oiler, and Tug were there for the show? A lot submarines, Status 6 Torpedoes, and other weapons have silently surrounded the USA and Britain!
This was great! Oh wait, you meant for Russia? Aaron over at Subbrief: (not about Kazan) ".... and she produces 140 decibels at 1 foot. How we know that is none of your damn business."
OK---------. Hope everyone noticed the Sonic Tiles missing with the Deep pitted Rusting holes on the Huill of the Russian Sub. Making it possible to detect the Sub from over twice the Range it could have with its whole hull covered...
