Why Sonic CAN'T Compete With Mario... 

Sonic unleashed,heros, 3 and knuckles ,generations,frontiers,mania sonic can compete with mario Sega doesn’t try with theyre games Sega disrespects sonic

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​@@Son.Yoshaabro Sonic frontiers was the newest modern Sonic game

personally, unleashed. but if i had to find the most backed up games then sonic 3 and generations

Sonic games will never reach the quality of Mario games unless they ask Nintendo to TEACH them how to make better Sonic games or better yet, HAVE A MARIO AND SONIC CROSSOVER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STARVING FOR YEARS!!! Also Mario games are comfort food

"Until Sonic keeps consistently getting good to great games, he will never compete with Mario again." Unless of course, Mario stops getting good games or Mario makes less games or retires from the gaming industry.

I'm so happy to hear someone speaking my language. It's the biggest downfall of the series for sure. As long as fans keep forgiving Sega for the crap they release, this franchise will forever remain in the gutter. Sonic CAN compete with Mario if he tried and was given the chance. It's the biggest waste of a franchise I've ever seen in gaming. And nobody is to blame more than Sega for letting that happen

The other issue I always see is that they keep shoving in pointless gimmicks and gameplay styles in the middle of the meat and potatoes of actual Sonic level design and gameplay.

@nickfurlong3369 They certainly make more intrusive concepts but I think with the right amount of SKILL and time, they could make it work. With current Sonic Team tho, I really don't think they can reach the same level of polish as Nintendo even with the time they require

@@markofthewolvessucks8930 As if that were even a possibility.

What about wonder?

@@lepacs14how long did it take them to make a game like that?

@@JUSTIN_SZN Mario Galaxy, Mario Odyssey to name a few?

​@@Yoshistar238New Super Mario Bros 1, 2, 3, and 4?

​@@Pirate_Knight27new super mario bros Ds, wii and U where great

i want a sonic game from insomniac games!❤

​@@guntherhuemer1767yeah me too

Not hard to blame Sega/Sonic Team when they're owned by the gambling company Sammy that'll do everything they can to keep the public views of the company as not the borderline illegal Japanese gambling company , aka one of the many forms of the antichrist.

@@guntherhuemer1767 That game would unironically go HARD

Sonic Team themselves nowadays haven't been all that great either let's just be honest. Half the blame can be out on them too. They're incompetent on every level to make something truly great

To expand on this: Sonic as a concept is a very hard concept to pull off, and Sega has lacked the time and budget to really pull it off to a polished level. They almost never have a polished release as a result. Fact is Mario is impressive, but never has to worry about pop-in for a character moving through an entire hub in one minute, or screen scrolling so fast that there's no time to react to obstacles. Mario focuses almost exclusively on one character whereas every 2D Sonic game after the first game tries to have at least 2 unique chraacters. Superstars has 5. Wonder really only has 2 types of characters with a bunch of powerups; there is no difference between Luigi/Peach/Toad. It can't be underestimated how much polish Nintendo puts into Mario, but if you ever asked yourself "why are there so few sonic competitors", there's your answer. Some designers would even say it's inherently bad game design to begin with. But I guess Sonic always thrived off of rebelling against traditional level design lol.

Still can’t compete with Mario even with all of that

@@firestrikerii810Yeah they don’t have a chance to be honest…

Mario still would have: 1. Way more development time 2. Has way more budget 3. And has way better staff, by the time SAGA had decent staff Nintendo will have way better staff

You know what’s really sad? At least Sonic has it better than Megaman, last new original Megaman game was Megaman 11 in 2018, now it’s been reduced to people anticipating and expecting the next collection of old games. I just wanted to put that out there and share a fantastic Megamantuber who explains it all while I’m at it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LGgVYJRyRGw.html

I hope the really adhere to #3 and #4. Sonic frontiers made me straight up quit with how inconsistent the difficulty felt, and mainly master king koco. The game wasn't that annoying, and then bam, chaos island, and then bam, the trial towers, and then BAM the king koco trial. No reason that it should be still THIS hard on EASY mode 😭

I think they should go back to hedgehog engine 1. Unleashed looked better than frontiers. They should do a game like that style.

That still won’t work

@@Valstrax420No it didn’t. Frontiers still looked better than Unleashed

@@firestrikerii810 It looks like someone hasn't played Unleashed.

Hmhm... yeah.

Basically, for Mario, each of the playable characters could be considered main characters. For sonic though, they're effectively just side characters with how little importance they seem to have.

@@ambientNexus Yes. Exactly. I also forgot to mention Waluigi. His popularity has also grown over the years. A well done Waluigi game would sell a very good amount of copies.

​@@Molybed1Wario- BIG GROWING BRAND- he has two stand alone series, Wario land and Wario ware (land being the "mario for big boys" and ware having and HUGE cast of supporting characters). His games are inspiring indie developers ( pizza tower and anton blast) and wario himself is an frequent character in mario spin-offs

@@igordasilva7180 I always viewed Wario as his own brand with his own cast members (Captain Syrup and the Black Sugar Gang) and his own games . Maybe I should remove Waluigi because he never showed up in a mainline Mario platform game.

Paper Mario would like a word about said "Confidence"

@@rheokalyke367 I was just talking about mainline Mario games. Spin offs can be a hit or miss, most of them I would say are good. But at least Mario actually has spin off games. Only Sonic spin off games we get are like racing games, or like small phone games.

Thanks for you concern but don't worry I believe in SEGA to deliver a Sonic game that will produce a game of quality content.😁

​@@mattbelcher7135I've never read something so false sonic has had a bunch of good spinoffs even some of the mobile games are good

@@Raddish-IS-Radd ok give me a good sonic spin off game that has come out in past 10 years

Exactly. Not to mentioned Sega keeps rushing these games out. Containing many bugs or alot of unpolished designs that keeps them having solid quality games.

I will never understand their mentality of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" regarding gameplay formulas. No other gaming company does this as regularly as SEGA with Sonic.

If Sega really wants to rival Mario again, they will take what they made in Frontiers, keep with it, and polish it over future games. Refine the physics and momentum, pull away from those annoying automated sections that plagued Chaos Island, and keep adding to the ongoing lore. Bring Sage back as a main character and have her participate in boss fights with Eggman and add to the combat to make it even more fluid and fun. I may have really liked Frontiers, but I still wouldn't put it above a 7/10. There are still areas it needs fine tuning, but they're on the right track to making something great.

I'd give my left nut to see what the Adventure formula would look like if it were allowed to grow like the Mario 64 formula was allowed to do. Hopefully sega actually sticks to the Frontiers formula for a while because I can see a truly incredible game if they like actually expanded on it

Guns made Shadow The Hedgehog a fun game. Then Sega decided to cut them out in Sonic 2006 for some strange reason.

Frontiers had 6 years of dev time

@@evdestroy5304 And it still wasn’t finished. Frontiers came out with tons of pop in, glitches, and a very unfinished final boss fight. Sonic Team had to fight to get this game released in November 2022 because Sega wanted to release it in 2021, an entire year before.

What do u mean by all of the 5 main 3D Mario games exactly?

@@jaretco6423 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, 3D World, Odyssey

@@cosmicevo What about Galaxy 2 & 3D Land? Those are great games too.

Only the future tell!💙 🎶 If you leap without a net you'll find, it won't be there all the time. But if you never try, you'll never knooowww🎶 Let's wait and see if Sonic is worthy to be called Mario's rival 😁

Eh Mario Oddyssey was boring tbh, found it too basic

@@ssseee3ds463 it’s literally the opposite of basic. Easy to learn, hard to master is not basic. If that’s the case, then any sonic game isn’t worth the time since it’s basic with 2D and especially boost

@@ErikLeeTroche the thing is that i’m not that fan of the levels design in Oddyssey and it’s really not that hard to master compared to say, SA2 or Unleashed (i don’t even really like SA2 lol)

@@ssseee3ds463 I mean, that is just blasphemy to say. Odyssey has more creativity in it than any sonic game combined. Looking at how the movement is and how people practice to make that movement as seamless as possible is actually hard to master. It’s simply just not true to say that it’s easy because of basic movement. Because again if that’s the case, Sonic is stupid easy. There is a reason Mario reigns supreme over literally everyone but Zelda

As long as o6 exists, the critics will always give the blue rat a hard time.

Yeah. You don't see the same amount of people talking about Mario 2: The Lost Levels NEARLY as much as Sonic 06. That's because Nintendo fucking learned from their mistakes and realized making an almost kaizo centric game was a disaster for them. Every other 2D Mario game since then, from 3, to World, to some of the New games, and now Wonder, is leagues better than that game.

​@@SpeedyBlur2000? Lost levels is a good game, its just hard af

@@micjimster4845 As long as both Sega & Sonic Team refuse to learn from their mistakes, critics will keep bringing up those mistakes.

@nickfurlong3369 There's also Sunshine. I know there are fans of the game. But that game was really rushed in which many content, worlds or level was scrapped and there are some bugs & glitches. The only reason they rushed the heck out of it is because they wonna show how powerful the GameCube was and while it looks nice, that still didn't help on how messy the game can be.

Ironic since Sonic hates slowing down or taking his time. Still right though, they need to not rush games.

i never understood why that meme had Mario on it but now it all makes sense 😂 Mario was talking about Sonic this whole time

@M64bros agree 💯

@M64bros I hope that Capcom catches up in the near future

@@noahalcantar2431 indeed

@M64bros how much money have you earned

@@noahalcantar2431 a bunch of surprisingly, I'm still restored to the amount of lost from earlier

And the testers need to be actual fans that understand what makes a game good. Not random people.

@@Valstrax420 lol obviously not. You want to see how the vast majority will play the game not the most dedicated.

@reklem2 I said actual fans. Not "most" dedicated. Plus a real fan knows a good game. A casual won't. Hence sonic frontiers testers.

He can't surpass Mario, but he at least can release more quality games IF SEGA just puts more caring and time into his titles. First step is LITERALLY SEGA love its mascot. With this, they can catch the tram with Mario.

I feel like after Sonic Adventure 2 and after Sega left the console business, they just stopped caring about the quality of the titles and just rushed them out to get a quick buck. Like what Matt said in the video, competition can really help a game company to focus on quality control. Granted they should always focus on that, but when you are a business trying to be a success, competition comes a long way in helping reach that goal. Sega competed against Mario and Nintendo with Sonic in the 1990's. Then, they actually cared about the quality of his games, and kept improving upon each game. Starting with the Adventure games though, while they were still both huge successes, they kept adding in weird gameplay styles that...frankly I don't think anyone really asked for besides giddy 5 year olds. After that they never fully recovered. They are still repeating the same mistakes they've made in the past, to this day.

Often times I felt that the stigma around Sonic would get out of control, overblown to the point where it simply became cool and popular to hate Sonic and just basically bully Sonic fans in general, especially around the late 2010’s where this was most prevalent. It was not a fun time to be a Sonic fan and it did not help my mental health at all, it only contributed to my depression, self-loathing, and thoughts of unaliving myself later on. Obviously, I have other and much more personal reasons for having such horrible thoughts, but still. Seeing something that has been with you since childhood and that you’re passionate about having so much stigma and mockery surrounding it and the very idea of being a fan of said thing also comes with so much hatred, disgust, mockery, and negative generalizations can take a toll on your mental health. I know it may sound silly, but that can happen when you’re suddenly exposed to an overwhelming amount of negativity and you’re not sure how to react to it or you’re hated and mocked by others for things that are out of your control. Especially generalized in a negative way all because of the actions of some infamous fans that you’ve never interacted with nor heard of. Like, I can’t control what those people do in their lives nor am I responsible for their actions and behavior so what the fuck am I supposed to do about it? It especially did not help when some of the people mocking Sonic Fans would heavily use autism as an insult given that I’m autistic myself so it also started feeling like a personal attack over something that I never asked for. But I believe that was around the time when Cringe Culture was around and people were more edgy and commonly used things like autism as an insult. It’s hard being a Sonic fan indeed. And lonely. It’s like being a character that has suffered more than Ellie from The Last of Us Part 2.

@@SpeedyBlur2000 tbh, I'm fine with the Adventure games being "weird". Even because their gameplay variations are actually well-handed, in my opinion. But yeah, the thing is SEGA never improved upon it. Instead, they just kept experimenting and adding different gameplay designs without knows what makes Sonic good...

Yep sadly not sure it’s going to happen.

Lol they're already kneecapped on the drawing board

@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 yep

But the least they can do is make a "good" game

He can

​@@_sky_35not really, The entire Mario franchise has sold over 800 Million units, while sonic.......only 130 Million units. It's a Pretty huge gap

@@SMD965OFFICIAL He can

If Mario’s the Mickey Mouse of Gaming Sonic’s GOT to be the Bugs Bunny.

I like your optimism lol

@@jaretco6423There’s this thing called an opinion.

@daltonsturgeon4024 every single time there's a conversation about Mario and Sonic rivalry I force in freaking Godzilla in it and use my opinion to fight against people about it

@daltonsturgeon4024 GODZILLA SUPERIOR MARIO AND SONIC INFERIOR!!!!!

When they even have a working formula they still try to experiment, colors and generations were 2 hits in a row, and they follow it up with lost world and boom, colors and generations gave them the opening they needed, that wasn’t the time to experiment it was the time to double down on what worked

i like wario

Or Crash Bandicoot.

No they said they want surpass Mario. That is a competitive statement.

​@@crustykeycap5670 Of course they do. That's competition, but not necessarily in a hostile sense

@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 i know i didn't say it was hostile. i was saying it was a competitive statement

@@crustykeycap5670 yes but its out of respect, they want to catch up with mario and surpass him because they respect mario

@@ReadyboyReady-te6nc yes they have acknowledged mario as a rival they want to surpass. not necessarily hostile or disrespectful, just a competitive statement.

I mean sonic is still here after 30 years and some of the best games of all time include at least one sonic game like 2 or 3&k. The gameplay isn't the problem

Yeah. That's why I couldn't into most Sonic game. Going too fast can cause alot of problems if not done correctly.

Also, a huge problem is most games only have Sonic playable. And the representation of other Sonic characters which have little screentime and are quickly reduced to being on his cheerleading team saying "Go Sonic! You can do this!" Plus another thing is Mario games have so much ideas and spin offs which are all good. Most Sonic games are still running quickly to the end through frustrating level design of multiple levels, fight Eggman, day is saved, and left with nothing else to do but beat the levels as fast as you can.

​@@pinksywedarnoc8017That's just the 2010s all the other ones had more than Sonic playable.